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<stintel> 100 packets transmitted, 91 received, 9% packet loss, time 20539ms
<stintel> does anyone remember things like this for AR8236 / mvebu and a possible solution?
<stintel> 9% is really unacceptable
<stintel> even 1% is unacceptable
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<damex> stintel: is it even a supported target?
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<stintel> damex: mvebu ...
<damex> stintel: well, how about board?
<stintel> no, I'm working on it
<stintel> that's why I'm asking if there were any similar cases
<stintel> to check how it was solved there
<russell--> at some point, i stumbled across a description of the mediatek (e.g. mt7628an) factory partition format ... can't find it now
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<eduardas> hello, does anyone know if any work is being done on the IPQ6000/IPQ6010 SoC from Qualcomm?
<eduardas> or any other Wi-fi 6 capable SoC?
<blogic> eduardas: the QCA stuff wont be in owrt in a usable manner for a year or two
<blogic> eduardas: the mediatek stuff is nice and upstream but still pending mass market HW
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<eduardas> blogic: good to know, thank you
<blogic> eduardas: so basically 3-6 monhs from now people will be using mt7622/mt7915
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<rsalvaterra> blogic: I'd be happy with just the mini-PCIe MT7915 cards. Hopefully the Omnia still has enough oomph to drive them… :)
<eduardas> blogic: is there a difference in level of mainline Linux support for Qualcomm or Mediatek stuff (in general)? Is one vendor better than the other when it comes to interfacing with FOSS community projects?
<blogic> eduardas: yes
<blogic> MTK has upstream support
<blogic> QCA does not
<eduardas> blogic: Mediatek contribute mainline support themselves or is it 3rd party?
<blogic> they actively interact witht he upstream community
<eduardas> blogic: I expect that the SoC docs are still under NDA?
<blogic> eduardas: some are actually opened up
<eduardas> blogic: really? did not expect that? you don't happen to know which ones specifically?
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<blogic> mt7622
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<blogic> eduardas: http://wiki.banana-pi.org/Banana_Pi_BPI-R64 bottom of the page
<blogic> that is the full 2000 page programming guide with almost all registers listed for their latest and greatest arm64 SoC
<blogic> they even put dxf files and schematics online
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<eduardas> blogic: really cool, thank you
<eduardas> blogic: what about broadcom? are they trying to mainline their Wireless router stuff at least to some extent?
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<Borromini> eduardas: broadcom doesn't really care about FOSS
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<blogic> eduardas: brokencom has sold its wifi business to microchip
<blogic> what we will see towards end of 2021 is NXP wifi
<blogic> NXP bought the mrvell wifi business and are working on fos mac80211 drivers
<eduardas> blogic: really? when did that take place? news to me
<blogic> the NXP layerscape SoC are already upstream
<blogic> but those are big high performance arm SoC
<rsalvaterra> No love for mwlwifi, still…
<eduardas> blogic: so the only options of this planet to implement router is to either use Qualcomm, Mediatek, Marvell or Broadcom SoCs?
<eduardas> blogic: or am I missing some obscure company?
<blogic> Mediatek or qca
<blogic> brcm is a no-go option
<blogic> and nxp/marvl is 12 months down the road
<blogic> using qca means using a heavily patched v4.4 kernel
<blogic> basically the AX situation is even worse than the AC one
<eduardas> blogic: can not find info on broadcom selling wifi business to microchip
<nitroshift> blogic, if only they'd release the mwlwifi code....
<Borromini> nitroshift: that's probably an IP can of worms, all that closed firmware
<nitroshift> Borromini, tell me about that.... :|
<nitroshift> Borromini, funny enough, running binwalk against that blob says "Copyright string: "Copyright (c) 2007, 2009-2015 by Cisco Systems, Inc. "
<nitroshift> rofl
<eduardas> nitroshift: :D
<Borromini> :P
<Borromini> i'm finding broadcom put up their wifi business for sale, but nothing about the buyer.
<Borromini> wouldn't surprise me if blogic knows more than the general public of course :)
<karlp> broadcom's wifi went to cypress who wold it to infineon...
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<damex> https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/pull/3519 could someone comment about naming ? it is kinda bother me. i am currently bringing up other 'Libre Computer' boards so need to know how to name them. @adschm seen the post but didn't post any comment
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<karlp> I guess that's the "rest" of the wireless.
<karlp> and then infineon bought cypress entirely.
<eduardas> karlp: however, Broadcom still advertises Wi-fi6 solutions on their site
<Borromini> quite the rollercoaster
<karlp> I guess wifi6 is not "wireless iot"
<eduardas> any "thing" that connects to the internet can be called IoT :D makes me want to facepalm so bad
<eduardas> the term has seen too much abuse
<eduardas> and thus has become extremely vague
<karlp> I guess it was "router wifi socs we're keeping, wifi client level devices, like the wiced stuff, can go away"
<Borromini> the internet of trash.
<eduardas> so I guess one could still be making Broadcom Wi-fi 6 routers as an OEM
<Borromini> karlp: does that make sense though?
<Borromini> silicon for the radios won't be *that* different between client and router hardware would it?
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<damex> <now go generate some platform data from device tree and manually append here>
<karlp> Borromini: *shrugs* just seems to be what happened?
<damex> 002-spl-remove-dtoc-of-pdata-generation.patch seems like it didn't go through any review?
<damex> blocktrron: ping ^
<blocktrron> damex: ?
<damex> blocktrron: why did you commit that? wouldn't it be better to provide proper dependency for the build process for tool to work?
<damex> currently i am adding another board and it seems like platform data is different between uboot releases/different dtses. how are you supposed to update that?
<blocktrron> it obviously needs to be updated per-board on bump for all rk3328
<blocktrron> if you come up with the required dependencies, I'm grateful dropping this
<stintel> damex: the problem is we don't have python in openwrt core and core packages are not allowed to depend on packets from the package feed
<stintel> s/packets/packages/
<blocktrron> The issue is in the end, that swig drags in around 8 python dependencies last time I've had a look at this
<damex> is it even a problem for build host?
<blocktrron> what stintel says
<blocktrron> this way, swig and it's dependencies need to become host dependencies
<blocktrron> if you intend on adding an rk3328 board: theres a rockchip uboot 2020.10 in my staging tree which you can build on
<Zero_Chaos> karlp: apologies, I don't spend much computer time on the weekend lately. I have no idea where the extra macs are supposed to come from, I just know they typically shouldn't collide, and they do. In this case, it seems at least the wifi ones are generated by netifrcd
<Zero_Chaos> PaulFertser: hola
<damex> blocktrron: mine expected to work fine with current 2020.07
<damex> blocktrron: is it a problem that they become a host dependencies?
<blocktrron> especially with python stuff, this would mean a more narrow selections on which host systems you can use ootb. Especially with python, hosts might not sport the necessary python version required to build the dependency tree
<blocktrron> i remember there was a similar discussion for the pylibfdt dependency on sunxi which ended in the similar patch
<blocktrron> didn't follow that through though
<stintel> we can move python to core
* stintel hides
<Borromini> :P
<Borromini> and up the minimum to 128/64? :P
* blocktrron follow stintel
<damex> rockchip devices like that does not have problem with disk space or memory
<damex> mine is just up to 128gb eMMC or 1T uSD
<damex> and 4gb ram
<damex> s/or/and/
<Borromini> most routers are 8/64 or maybe double, but you'll be hard pressed to find cheap stuff with more headroom. And most people prefer to buy cheap stuff
<blocktrron> damex: Borromini just brought up similar controversial topics, so this isn't an all to serious point
<Borromini> blocktrron: would you seriously be considering it?
<Borromini> if space is no issue i understand. I've seen older ARM devices choke though, as e.g. Salt clients (granted, not the smartest choice :P )
<stintel> Borromini: this would be a host dep so device mem/storage is not relevant in this case
<Borromini> stintel: oh. nevermind me.
<blocktrron> well, python is a host-dependency so not related to the device per-se
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<damex> blocktrron: so it should be fine then? just removed patches about removeing swig and dtoc and built it successfully on debian 10 (pretty old already), ubuntu 20.04 and centos 7 (oldest thing);p
<blocktrron> Is this a fresh debian 10 installation?
<damex> blocktrron: well, i have had tools installed previously to satisfly build tools but yeah ;p
<damex> it will require python-dev as you said - i can try it again... i guess
<damex> vagrant does not care how many times to repeat ;p
<blocktrron> when I've commited this back in summer, this definitely didn't built on the buildbots nor on debian 10 with the documented minimum requirements
<damex> blocktrron: i have python2 and python3 installed along with python*-dev
<damex> what is the minimum requirements?
<blocktrron> https://git.openwrt.org/?p=buildbot.git;a=blob;f=docker/buildslave/Dockerfile;h=9ee3ae40fc29707b3c2853fb37ea3e3064929909;hb=HEAD
<blocktrron> This is the package set available on the buildbots
<stintel> python2 should be ignored and not introduced as a new dependency anywhere as it's EOL for almost a year
<damex> blocktrron: how about we add swig there?
<damex> trying to find what dependency of debian tree will make uboot built process to shut up
<damex> blocktrron: so new debian 10 host. if we add swig and python3-dev to that package list - it seem to build successfully
<damex> i removed both dtoc and swig patches from tree to test
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<grift> dangole i worked all day on this document: https://github.com/doverride/openwrt-selinux-policy and proof reading, copy writing, and general improvement would be appreciated: https://github.com/doverride/openwrt-selinux-policy
<damex> blocktrron: so could we add dependencies to buildbot and just drop the patches?
<blocktrron> damex: drop a mail to the list about your proposed change. i don't feel involved into the buildbots and the build system as a whole in order to make a decision here.
<blocktrron> In the end, *if* this change is done, the binman hack for the other targets should / has to be also reworked
<damex> blocktrron: could you first try if it produces a correct result for your board?
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<rsalvaterra> adrianschmutzler: ping
<adrianschmutzler> rsalvaterra: pong, but not much time
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<rsalvaterra> Sure, no problem. I just wanted to ask you if all targets are already at 5.4. From a cursory grep, it seems so.
<rsalvaterra> Since we're dropping 4.19 support, that means I have to rebase a patch. :)
<adrianschmutzler> Yes, everything is at 5.4, and that will also be next release kernel.
<rsalvaterra> Great, thanks!
<adrianschmutzler> I actually planned to remove 4.19 entirely, but when asking about it I was made aware of jffs2 errors in ath79
<adrianschmutzler> Not having any target building on 4.19 by default is also an additional reason for removing it, as we have no "automatic" build test anymore ...
<rsalvaterra> Oh…! Never seen those, fortunately.
<rsalvaterra> Ouch… I'm doing tests on my AirGrid M2 (XM platform) as we speak, and never had that issue.
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<Misanthropos> blocktrron, since someone has uttered interest in the merge or PR#3353 I wonder what is holding it up.
<owrt-1806-builds> build #99 of oxnas/ox820 is complete: Failure [failed kmods] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org/openwrt-18.06/images/builders/oxnas%2Fox820/builds/99 blamelist: Thibaut VAR?NE <hacks@slashdirt.org>, Hauke Mehrtens <hauke@hauke-m.de>
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<Hauke> blocktrron: damex: the sunxi u-boot build also needs binman which needs swig
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<Hauke> we should discuss this on the mailing list
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<grift> aparcar[m]: would you mind reviewing https://github.com/doverride/openwrt-selinux-policy/blob/master/README.md if and when you have some time?
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<aparcar[m]> grift: will do!
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<blocktrron> Misanthropos: will push it with the first batch of hostapd patches from my tree in the coming days
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<aparcar[m]> mangix: ping
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<aparcar[m]> mangix: do you have a opinion on https://github.com/openwrt/packages/issues/13654 ?
<grift> that if above my pay grade
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<aparcar[m]> grift: what?
<grift> nvm wrong chan focus
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<olmari> [grift](https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_grift:matrix.org): go demand raise then ;)
<aparcar[m]> OpenWrt union incoming
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<dangole> grift: aparcar and me were on making the selection of procd-selinux and busybox-selinux vs. procd and busybox a bit more automagic also in the ImageBuilder, so for that your documentation will need to be updated yet another time
<dangole> grift: please also check my staging tree, I managed to get most services running as non-root, also ntpd now running as it's own user. maybe that makes it distinguishable for your policy as well?
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<dangole> grift: as a result, your policy would need to be updated for logd degrading itself: https://termbin.com/cxry
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<stintel> could we also please hide all selinux symbols behind one main selinux symbol? I am tired of saying no to a shitload of irrelevant selinux symbols
<stintel> especially when the whole thing is experimental at best
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