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<Grommish> rsalvaterra: Meaning, the users who just want to use imagebuilder or the snapshots without actually building anything
<Grommish> rsalvaterra: Do you think bias'ing towards those users is better, since the "power users" can more easily build their own
<Grommish> rsalvaterra: or, do you think you put it the way most people (especially you) would need it without stressing over the other cases
<Grommish> rsalvaterra: I'm asking regarding the comments on your PR.. I'm asking which way, of two valid opinions, do you think is best
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<rsalvaterra> Grommish: As long as my particular use case is satisfied, I don't mind at all making things more simple for everybody else. :)
<rsalvaterra> In this particular case, I believe the two package variants approach is just fine.
<rsalvaterra> And now I'm off to bed. Cheers!
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<mangix> @aparcar are you proposing an alpine based openwrt? <-- it's a sign
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<aparcar[m]> mangix: a sign for what?
<damex> just build it on top of debian or ubuntu ;p
<damex> why stop at alpine
<aparcar[m]> I'm missing something here, I propose a different package manager and people see an enemy takeover. OpenWrt is more than its packages manager 🙄
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<mangix> hahaha
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<damex> been thinking - https://downloads.openwrt.org/releases/19.07.4/targets/sunxi/cortexa53/ that boards have ext4 and squashfs image for sd card... but there is sysupgrade image. is that intended?
<damex> there is no sysupgrade image*
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* mangix has no idea
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<blogic> how does the packages feed work these days
<blogic> I have 3 new trivial python libs
<blogic> do I have to send a PR or can I just push the, ?
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<aparcar[m]> blogic: one is fine
<aparcar[m]> but three commits please
<aparcar[m]> also please fix the SDKs...
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<aparcar[m]> damex: mangix for your personal delight https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/infra/alpine-mksite/-/issues/2
<damex> fascinating how bad upstream cavium/octeon sources are
<damex> that boards could have let's say 4 qsgmii ports + 1x loop port plus something else. it does not even check that ports are valid. it just initialize them. so for 4x qsgmii + 1x loop system will have 20 network interfaces.
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<ldir> anyone else getting "tmp/.config-package.in:63474:warning: leading whitespace ignored" which is to do with "config LUCI_LANG_nl" ?
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<mangix> blogic: it is preferred to create a PR. But given that the buildbots are totally broken courtesy of a broken SDK, feel free to puah directly.
<mangix> aparcar[m]: I will say merge requests on aports is pretty painless
<mangix> blogic: actually jefferyto and bkpepe will complain. Create a PR.
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<Hauke> ldir: yes me too looks like a bug in the luci feed
<damex> does someone have a recent example how people fix drivers in a tree when they ignore properties like status = "disabled"; ?
<damex> linux tree ofcourse
<ldir> Hauke: I tried to fix but I've been out of things so long, failed
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<PaulFertser> damex: of_device_is_available() checks it
<damex> PaulFertser: thanks, gonna read about it now
<PaulFertser> damex: target/linux/mediatek/files-5.4/drivers/net/phy/mtk/mt753x/mt753x_mdio.c can be considered an example I guess
<PaulFertser> damex: and the wiki has section on how to use quilt to prepare a kernel patch if you need to fix a driver that's already upstream.
<Hauke> Does Dutch (the language) in Dutch mean Nederlands?
<damex> PaulFertser: drives is upstream but it is in a such bad shape so i am not so sure anyone would accept a fix
<damex> s/drives/driver/
<PaulFertser> damex: if it's not in staging then you should be able to send a patch following the regular Linux contribution guidelines (with scripts/check_maintainers.pl etc)
<Hauke> ldir: I think I found the fix
<damex> PaulFertser: what if it is staging?
<PaulFertser> damex: chances that your patch will be merged without review are even higher then :)
<PaulFertser> damex: because people do not give a damn about staging
<ldir> Hauke: great!
<damex> so turns out we don't have autonegotiation on SGMII interfaces
<damex> PaulFertser: nice, thanks ;p
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<PaulFertser> damex: yes, if your code doesn't look obviously wrong and doesn't break the build GregKH will just merge it afaict.
<ldir> Ha, now that's what I tried but I obviously didn't do the right magic somewhere as I still got the error. :-)
<PaulFertser> Even without autoneg logic it should be sane to check the node "status" and not enable what's disabled. I wonder if the DTBs that are already present on hardware have status=okay for those nodes because if they do not you might risk breaking it.
<Hauke> ldir: I had to delete my tmp directory
<ldir> ahhhhh!
<damex> PaulFertser: status absent == status okay as far as i see
<damex> so if it is not specified on dtb that is already present - it should be fine?
<damex> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/arch/mips/cavium-octeon/octeon-platform.c#L657 i think i can adjust that to apply the same logic if subnode is disabled?
<damex> probably i can do the something similar in driver itself in staging tree
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<damex> i wonder why such logic is in arch/mips/cavium-octeon instead of octeon_ethernet or something like that though
<PaulFertser> damex: you're right, absent == okay
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<ldir> hmmmm - package/feeds/packages/ntpd/Makefile: user ntp id 123 is already taken by package/utils/busybox/Makefile - that's new
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<damex> what do i need to do for files from target/linux/<target>/files to be copied to a kernel directory?
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<champtar> Just saw Daniel Golle commits dropping some capabilities
<champtar> first thanks !
<champtar> Would it make sense to move capabilities / no_new_privs / user switching in procd ?
<champtar> with ambient capabilities and ubus acl this allow to run many things as non root, and this should not be optional
<rsalvaterra> Hmm… not so good…
<rsalvaterra> package/feeds/packages/ntpd/Makefile: user ntp id 123 is already taken by package/utils/busybox/Makefile
<karlp> for.... ntp :)
<rsalvaterra> So, just ignore it? :P
<champtar> maybe it works if both are named the same
<rsalvaterra> make oldconfig complains loudly.
<champtar> ntp vs ntpd
<rsalvaterra> I'm using ntpd from busybox.
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<champtar> i mean the user, if if you change ntpd to ntp in busybox
<rsalvaterra> I know how to fix it, it's just that this broke master again. :/
<champtar> indead :(
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<karlp> not really the same breakage level
<ldir> I don't understand how that can get committed to master without having been encountered already.
<karlp> don't install ntpd from packages? wouldn't be seen until you do right?
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<ldir> karlp: yes, hadn't thought of that. Question is, how to fix it? 2 packages that use the same user ID.
<karlp> isn't that the intention? you're not going ot want to ntpds anyway?
<karlp> or, again, switch to names instead of uids? :)
<ldir> I'm not trying to build them both
<ldir> the dependencies are blowing up just because they exist.
<ldir> + USERID:=ntpd=123:ntpd=123 is trying to use names
<ldir> I don't think things should blow up at 'make menuconfig' stage simply because ./scripts/feeds/install -a has been run.
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<stintel> could do as gentoo does and use a meta-package for user/group creation and both busybox-ntp and ntpd could depend on this meta package
<stintel> but ... meh
<damex> stintel: gentoo does not create any users in meta packages. or atleast should not
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<ldir> if busybox has now claimed ownership of user & group 'ntpd' is the simplest thing to drop the claiming of the same uid/gid in packages/ntpd since isn't it very unlikely that busybox won't be installed?
<damex> how come files from <targetr>/files directory is copied to kernel directory only once when you do a fresh kernel build? this is so bad
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<stintel> damex: have you used gentoo recently?
<damex> stintel: did they change something?
<damex> how recently ? :)
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<stintel> damex: acct-user/$username acct-group/$groupname was introduced more than a year ago
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<damex> stintel: okay, thanks. i haven't used gentoo for a while and that change is pretty recent ;p
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<stintel> you and I have a different definition of recent :)
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<damex> yeah, i still think that tmux is pretty new piece of software ;p
<damex> compared to screen
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<stintel> my ERL is running an image built from master 46d ago. this is almost ancient to me :P
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<rsalvaterra> Back from my nap and master is fixed! Thanks, dangole! :)
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<dangole> rsalvaterra: got surprised by having broken it again and realized it just after my nap
<dangole> rsalvaterra: hope not two many of the phase2 builds will break because of that
<dangole> *too many
<rsalvaterra> Heh… it's easy to forget about the buildbot when we do our own buids. :P
<swalker> updated openwrt/upstream, https://sdwalker.github.io/uscan/index.html
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<damex> i have a device that is hard to recover but need to test pll settings. is there a way to apply pll settings for ag71xx on fly?
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<aparcar[m]> I don't see any fixes of the SDK? blogic ?
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<aparcar[m]> mangix: what is NIH stuff?
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<damex> so https://biot.com/switches/models that hardware is my best bet for openwrt switch?
<damex> tried to play with edgeswitch 8 150w and switch ports are not available in uboot. no way to test a new build and it also have <broadcom instead of soc>
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<damex> https://biot.com/switches/gs1900-10hp that one looks tasty ;p
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<pkgadd> yes, the zyxel devices have been tempting me for quite a while as well (the gs1900-24e, to be more exact), contrary to D-Link (for which you have to check the hardware revision in detail) they seems to stick to one SOC
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<karlp> aparcar[m]: NIH is "not invented here"
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<aparcar[m]> karlp: thank you
<karlp> I can't speak to what mangix was referring to, but you can read about NIH behaviour and draw your own conclusions :)
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<daniele-> hello
<daniele-> i am trying to add a new set of graphs to the statistics module, however, my module with the graphs definitions does not seem to be loaded
<daniele-> do I need to do anything else other than dropping a file in /usr/lib/lua/luci/statistics/rrdtool/definitions/ ?
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<aparcar[m]> I'm never sure when mangix is trolling and when actual opinions are stated
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<rsalvaterra> Yikes, my Archer C6 image grew almost 200 kiB in the last couple of days, without changing my configuration. What gives…? O_o
<rsalvaterra> I don't see what could have caused this… recent changes were pretty minor…
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<rsalvaterra> Ah, I see. My bad. I noticed I'm now building tor with -fPIC, which I wasn't. Carry on. :P
<russell--> is there comprehensive openwrt/dsa documentation anywhere?
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<russell--> i need untagged packets arriving on lan ports to be delivered to the cpu on vlan 300 and vlan 300 tagged packets to be untagged leaving the LAN ports, while other vlans (100 and 200) leave the lan ports tagged.
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<mangix> aparcar[m]: not invented here. stuff like procd, libubox, etc... totally custom stuff.
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<aparcar[m]> Yea Nobody (Not me) plans to merge alpine with openwrt. How is that related to the package manager?
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<mangix> it isn't
<mangix> my point was that apk was as far as it will go
<mangix> since that user was asking about it
<mangix> anyway, what's the recommended 802.11ax hardware nowadays?
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