09:30 <anjaa> so, how do i register for pilcon?

09:42 <aw-> hi anjaa, probably just send an email to the mailing list

10:34 <Regenaxer> Hi anjaa, aw-! anjaa: in fact no strict registration in necessary, as it is all free

10:35 <Regenaxer> Just the rough number of attendees is needed, so it is nice if you enter your name (or ask someone to do it for you)

10:35 <Regenaxer> What *should* be kind of "registered" is accomodation though ;)

10:49 <Regenaxer> The possible attendees are here: https://picolisp.com/wiki?PilCon2020

11:17 <tankf33der> anyone who needs picolisp and full utf8 could use icu library:

11:18 <tankf33der> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/icu/

11:18 <tankf33der> also solution.

11:19 <Regenaxer> You think it as an addition, via 'native'?

11:25 <tankf33der> yea

11:30 <beneroth> hi all

11:31 <DKordic> Good morning everyone. ""Always bet on JavaScript"", because JavaScript is infinite.

11:31 <beneroth> DKordic, but that ends in stack overflow? ;)

11:31 <Regenaxer> Hi beneroth, DKordic

11:32 <DKordic> Yes it is a malware for the first generation of computers.

11:33 <beneroth> how to come you call them "first generation" ?

11:33 <DKordic> Wetwre.

11:33 <DKordic> Wetware.

11:34 <beneroth> most wetware does not run js.

11:35 <DKordic> Then it does something far more difficult than ""run""ning ;) .

11:35 <beneroth> according to 'snow crash' novel (based on an interesting fringe psychological theory), religions could be viewed as wetware viruses

11:35 <Regenaxer> good point

11:36 <beneroth> isn't cell live close to first generation of computers?

11:37 <beneroth> unless you see astrophysics and physics as a whole as computation. but then the term "first generation computers" loses its meaning, we would only talk about smaller units of computing.

11:38 <beneroth> see http://bach.ai/universe/

11:39 <beneroth> btw. recommended read (computation, strong AI, neurology, psychology): https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/05/book-review-surfing-uncertainty/

11:39 <beneroth> Joscha Bach (bach.ai, strong AI researcher) talks about the same stuff, but the article linked is easier to understand

11:39 <Regenaxer> tankf33der: Which functionality would icu add?

11:40 <beneroth> b2topic.. tankf33der or which unicode ranges/codepages ?

11:40 <tankf33der> Regenaxer: official library with support to lates utf with huge list of function for every use case

11:40 <Regenaxer> I see

11:40 <beneroth> ok

11:42 <beneroth> Regenaxer, tankf33der, I understand correctly we can represent the full unicode spectrum in picolisps utf-8 implementation (now as it supports 4bytes), but for working on character data (e.g. lowercase/uppercase/other stuff) one should use icu library if one might get outside the "usual" ranges supported natively in pil ?

11:43 <tankf33der> correct in general

11:43 <tankf33der> now pil supports unicode 3 on one plane.

11:43 <beneroth> thank you

11:43 <Regenaxer> and "support" maily means case mappings?

11:44 <Regenaxer> (also "wide")

11:44 <beneroth> for current usual use cases in pil and pil database, I guess so

11:44 <tankf33der> The first plane, plane 0, the Basic Multilingual Plane (BMP) contains characters for almost all modern languages, and a large number of symbols.

11:44 <tankf33der> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_(Unicode)

11:44 <tankf33der> Regenaxer: yea. and correct fold.

11:44 <Regenaxer> Except for case mapping pil supports all planes

11:45 <Regenaxer> ok

12:28 <tankf33der> let me check how pil will handle chars from non zero planes.

12:29 <beneroth> yes please check, thanks tankf33der! much appreciated

13:05 <tankf33der> http://ix.io/27P0

13:06 <tankf33der> balinese from unicode 4.x

13:06 <tankf33der> python3 vs. pil

13:06 <tankf33der> afk.

14:22 <tankf33der> https://unicode-org.atlassian.net/browse/ICU-20943

14:22 <tankf33der> submit issue.