<Regenaxer>
These are dependencies, not link rules, right?
<tankf33der>
googling. all these unknown to me.
<Regenaxer>
:)
<Regenaxer>
When building PilBox and Penti, I don't use Makefiles any more. Just a simple shell script. We should kick out the Makefile
<Regenaxer>
The whole build takes only a few seconds anyway
<tankf33der>
fixed.
<Regenaxer>
o
<tankf33der>
works now, checking patch.
<Regenaxer>
What is the reason?
<Regenaxer>
I want to understand
<aw->
Regenaxer: hi
<Regenaxer>
Hi aw-
<aw->
what do you mean kick out the Makefile?
<Regenaxer>
abandon it
<Regenaxer>
have a 10-line shell script instead
<Regenaxer>
much clearer
<Regenaxer>
and more flexible
<Regenaxer>
tankf33der, can you explain why we get the above error?
<aw->
hmm.. i don't know if "more flexible" is a good argument against makefiles.. if you use that flexibility then you'll just end up re-creating a half-baked Make
<Regenaxer>
I thought at least I understand how makefiles work, even if I dont like them
<Regenaxer>
A VidConf especially suitable for code screen sharing
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<tankf33der>
Regenaxer: all these sharing technics unknown to me
<Regenaxer>
to me too
<beneroth>
screego is new to me
<beneroth>
I don't see any red flags after reading the website and having a short look on the github
<Regenaxer>
I wonder how it feels like
<beneroth>
I might make a test installation
<Regenaxer>
Just sharing text screens can be done with tmux and SSH
<Regenaxer>
Cool!
<beneroth>
well its via browser, therefore WebRTC
<beneroth>
(which still is in polishing phase, I would say)
<Regenaxer>
yes
<beneroth>
and this is only for screensharing, no sound
<Regenaxer>
Could be used togiher with Jitsi
<beneroth>
T
<beneroth>
I still have hopes for big blue button (which is primarily made for school teaching), but installation seems to be a bit more of a tricky endeavor
<Regenaxer>
I see
<beneroth>
also they lost a lot of my trust recently, it came out their microphone "mute" functionality does only mute on server-side, not on client side. and had a bug which even allowed recording of the "muted" mic stream...
<beneroth>
pretty a big conceptual blunder, I think
<Regenaxer>
yes
<beneroth>
I cannot understand how this is not an obviously bad idea before writing even a single line of code...
<Regenaxer>
:)
<beneroth>
but then the security WTF of today is an IoT sex toy which defaults to locking-in their users when the server is not reachable. and the server had very obvious security flaws, so all user data was easily obtainable...
<beneroth>
(locking-in in the way that a electrical saw or so is needed to ..unlock ones private parts)
<beneroth>
we live in cyberpunk madness world. plagues. hacked sex gadgets. corrupt politicians and international corporations with more powers than many governments.
<Regenaxer>
sigh
<beneroth>
so next obvious step should be arcologies: mostly-self-sustaining enclosed building-complexes forming walled cities...
<beneroth>
*g*
<Blukunfando>
It’s not an obviously bad idea if you plan on exploiting it.
<beneroth>
Blukunfando, I don't think the Big Blue Button developers had such plans. They're very close to german CCC/hacker communities and are basically trying to make a well-usable SaaS-Software selling to schools....
<beneroth>
like the Zoom use of facebook api (which streams user data to facebook whenever you use the library) was surely not intended spying, just laziness/cost-cutting
<beneroth>
but the Zoom connections being insecure and running over chinese servers unless you pay extra for routing-configuration.... that is on purpose
<beneroth>
all in all, we probably should stop to differentiate between purpose/evil/lazyness/cost-cutting and incompetence and just treat it all as bad intentions/evil
<beneroth>
only way to maybe get some change
<Regenaxer>
agreed
<beneroth>
but as the government regulations / laws are decades behind, or not enforced (even when applicable), and often only made worse... not much hope
<beneroth>
another feature of cyberpunk stories is that for hackers most infrastructure and stuff is quite easily hackable. and in most cases not by some clever scheme, but by buying/stealing some "cyber weapon" to break things open.
<beneroth>
which all seemed pretty unrealistic in the 90s when most of this novels were written.. but now they seem more practical by the week...
<beneroth>
just find some flaw in the docker base images and you're good...
<Blukunfando>
I see.
<beneroth>
what is your work environment? you see computer competence there?
<beneroth>
I'm not talking about exact knowledge.. but what I find, is utter and complete misconceptions about the very basic concepts and ways thing work
<beneroth>
it's just all magic
<beneroth>
and even worse: no will, no desire, not even a flick of interest to understand the stuff at least in abstract ways. by people who make the decisions, not just the ground workers busy with other stuff...
<beneroth>
even when they have to face the consequences quite directly.