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<aw-> Regenaxer: hi
<aw-> just a reminder don't forget to add the NOTICE file to pil21 sources
<Regenaxer> Hi aw-
<Regenaxer> No, I think for pil21 this is not necessary. I was talking about PilBox
<Regenaxer> pil21 is simply MIT as ever
<Regenaxer> btw, the Debian package of pil21 has no NOTICE
<Regenaxer> it is called "copyright" there
<Regenaxer> so everyone seems to use his ow name anyway :)
<Regenaxer> *own
<aw-> oh ok!
<aw-> ok that makes sense then
<Regenaxer> I like MIT/X11 :)
<Regenaxer> it is so simple
<Regenaxer> I think today pil21 for debian will be frozen
<Regenaxer> I send the final version to Kanru
<Regenaxer> so it will be in the next Debian release (freeze on 12th I think)
<aw-> agreed
<aw-> yeah i read on the list
<aw-> great!
<aw-> congratulations
<Regenaxer> Let's hope it is error free now
<Regenaxer> thanks!
<aw-> you released right on schedule
<Regenaxer> yeah
<Regenaxer> thanks to the help here in irc
<Regenaxer> tankf33der and you
<aw-> mostly tankf33der
<aw-> with his test suite
<Regenaxer> yeah
<Regenaxer> I'm now working on a new gui layer, will be in next release I hope
<Regenaxer> no big thing
<aw-> ok!
<aw-> i already made pil21 default on my systems btw
<Regenaxer> not a new gui, just an additional layer in hhtml
<aw-> since about one month now
<Regenaxer> Great!
<aw-> oh i'm seeing pil21 v 21.1.0 now, cool!
<Regenaxer> I've also switched some applications
<Regenaxer> but only newer ones ;)
<aw-> what version of LLVM do you have?
<Regenaxer> 11.0.1
<Regenaxer> or 11.0.0 on Termux
<Regenaxer> hmm
<aw-> i'm trying to make a RISC-V build of picolisp but 1) my LLVM is too old, 2) i have no idea what i'm doing
<Regenaxer> on one production server is only 7.0.1
<Regenaxer> I did not switch there yet
<Regenaxer> Which one do you have?
<aw-> i have a 32-bit RISC-V
<Regenaxer> I think tankf33der found that 7 is ok
<Regenaxer> ah
<aw-> i guess it won't build for that
<aw-> with LLVM-8
<Regenaxer> no way for 32 bits
<aw-> RISC-V targets only included in LLVM-9
<aw-> LLVM-9 +
<Regenaxer> pil21 needs 64 bit cpus
<aw-> right
<Regenaxer> Would be cool if it could somehow be emulated
<Regenaxer> on 32 I mean
<Regenaxer> I tried initially
<Regenaxer> but could not manage to build llvm-ir in that way
<aw-> i see
<aw-> well there's a risc-v 64bit VM available
<aw-> you can run on qemu
<Regenaxer> cool
<aw-> if you can build with clang --target=riscv64 -march=rv64gc
<Regenaxer> I expect there will be no big problems
<aw-> then it should run on there
<Regenaxer> ok, no hurry
<Regenaxer> First I need better gui abstraction. Mission-critical here for one customer
<aw-> no problem
<aw-> i'm still trying to just get a RSCI-V VM running on arm64
<aw-> haha
<Regenaxer> There is no ready-made distro?
<aw-> yes but you need qemu-system-riscv
<aw-> err wait
<aw-> i have that
<aw-> like i said, i have no idea what i'm doing :)
<Regenaxer> :)
<aw-> i guess i dont need to build qemu afterall
<aw-> just need to find a pre-build distro
<Regenaxer> I would hope so
<aw-> ok let me try some things, i'll update here if i need your help
<Regenaxer> good
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<beneroth> Good morning :)
<Regenaxer> Good morning beneroth!
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<Regenaxer> oops :)
<beneroth> sorry :P
<Regenaxer> sorry for what?
<beneroth> I suspect I've made you type in shortcuts which caused that :P
<Regenaxer> Nono ;)
<Regenaxer> I hit ^Z inadvertedly, and then restarted the wrong way
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<tankf33der> hi all
<tankf33der> Regenaxer: FYI
<beneroth> uh thanks tankf33der
<beneroth> maybe also send it to mailing list, some termux pil users there I think
<beneroth> but sounds like a temporary issue they hope to resolve soon...
<Regenaxer> tankf33der, yes, I've heard about it in #termux. Thanks!
<Regenaxer> Good that something like f-droid exists!
<Regenaxer> beneroth, I think it cannot be solved
<Regenaxer> Same problem as I had in PilBox, but thousand times more difficult
<Regenaxer> It is the stupid google policy
<aw-> "your device" is not your device.
<Regenaxer> Sadly yes
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<beneroth> very clever, for Google
<beneroth> <aw-> "your device" is not your device. THIS
<beneroth> I see this as an instance of free market failure & regulation failure
<Regenaxer> or security versus freedom (resulting in a loss of both)
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<beneroth> if it would be about security, than there must be an option for the owner to turn it off / manage it themselves
<beneroth> security is just marketing BS
<Regenaxer> yep
<beneroth> android update process is horrible because of all the OEM involved.
<beneroth> I would consider a rooted android owned by a hacker/IT-literal person easily more secure than outdated default settings & missing updates.
<beneroth> but banking application find rooted devices to be insecure...
<beneroth> another point for the "self-host" argumentation: https://twitter.com/sebslomski/status/1344219609923276801
<beneroth> GitHub blocked whole companies access after one employee logged in from Iran
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<beneroth> tankf33der, thx
<beneroth> I saw that it was about US-sanctions. and of course GitHub is Microsoft and Microsoft has many gov ties (nature of big corp anyway).
<beneroth> ofc that all doesn't matter for the point of vendor dependence as an non-US customer/community member
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<beneroth> hi lodsw