07:55 <Regenaxer> I think I give up the idea of a new GUI, separating design from server logic. It gets so complicated to explain to a designer that it has no advantage over the current micro-templates

07:56 <Regenaxer> I need a completely dynamic GUI, and designers generally produce static layouts

08:37 <beneroth> it's a incredible hard problem

08:38 <Regenaxer> T

09:23 <Regenaxer> I'll dig more into micro-templates instead

09:44 <beneroth> yeah, I think that is the road to go

09:45 <beneroth> my next attempt will be to try find abstract definitions for GUI components (e.g. a menu is a data structure containing other gui components) and then a template (or multiple, for different styling flavors) to render such a component

09:46 <beneroth> so a template implements/renders a specific GUI component

09:55 <Regenaxer> cool

10:24 <beneroth> aw-, Microsoft added its package source to Raspberry Pi OS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnA_s9IBSmA

10:26 <beneroth> I missed that

12:15 <aw-> beneroth: haha that's.. funny..

12:15 <aw-> i use Debian though

12:15 <aw-> would doubt they would do that in Debian without major a uprising

12:15 <beneroth> good for you

12:16 <beneroth> T

12:55 <beneroth> though Debian is like one of the last projects where this believe exists at all

13:04 <aw-> yeah Ubuntu is just as bad

13:04 <aw-> lots of questionable things in there

13:32 <Regenaxer> Grr, my single-form Wikipedia search does not work any more

13:32 <Regenaxer> They changed the search form obviously

13:33 <Regenaxer> Does anybody have a link to some howto?

13:46 <Regenaxer> I have a 3-liner in w3m and PilBox

13:47 <Regenaxer> I used this, embedded in various pages: http://ix.io/2UyJ

13:47 <Regenaxer> Now Wikipedia uses a form with two buttons

13:48 <Regenaxer> But I want *without* button, just with Enter

13:48 <Regenaxer> Any idea if there is some info somewhere?

13:49 <Regenaxer> What search parameters Wikipedia expects now?

13:50 <Regenaxer> Too bad they broke that :(

13:57 <aw-> search form?

13:57 <Regenaxer> yeah

13:58 <Regenaxer> This used to work for decades: http://ix.io/2UyJ

13:58 <Regenaxer> I tried to fiddle out what to call instead

13:58 <Regenaxer> no success so far

13:59 <Regenaxer> the /w/index.php gives an error, but the source of the standard search page still points to it

13:59 <aw-> hmm

13:59 <aw-> try this: <input type="text" name="search" size="20" value="Go">

14:00 <aw-> are you using POST or GET for search?

14:00 <Regenaxer> The value just initializes the field

14:01 <Regenaxer> I tried various <hidden>

14:01 <Regenaxer> for one of the buttons

14:01 <aw-> oh sorry

14:02 <aw-> <input type="hidden" name="go" value="Go">

14:02 <aw-> add that too

14:02 <Regenaxer> I think I tried

14:02 <Regenaxer> moment

14:03 <aw-> in the URL bar i can search with ?go=Go&search=whatever

14:03 <Regenaxer> I see

14:03 <Regenaxer> I try to put this into my action

14:04 <Regenaxer> ie go=Go

14:04 <aw-> yeah same thing

14:04 <Regenaxer> yes

14:04 <Regenaxer> same

14:05 <Regenaxer> it always says "W/index.php does not exist"

14:05 <Regenaxer> upper case W

14:05 <aw-> why /W ?

14:05 <Regenaxer> but I pass lower

14:05 <aw-> something wrong on your end there

14:05 <Regenaxer> no idea

14:05 <aw-> try /wiki

14:06 <Regenaxer> this works: http://ix.io/2UyV

14:06 <Regenaxer> it is the standard search

14:06 <Regenaxer> but with 2 buttons

14:06 <aw-> unncessary i think

14:07 <Regenaxer> haaaa!!!

14:07 <aw-> try instead of /w/index.php, try /wiki?go=Go

14:07 <Regenaxer> Works!

14:07 <Regenaxer> yes

14:07 <aw-> ? what works?

14:07 <Regenaxer> just wiki is ok

14:07 <aw-> oh yeah, dont need go=Go

14:07 <Regenaxer> action="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki

14:07 <aw-> haha, great

14:07 <Regenaxer> action="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki"

14:07 <Regenaxer> just this! :)

14:08 <Regenaxer> haha, thanks a lot!!

14:08 <aw-> np

14:08 <Regenaxer> Even simpler now :)