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<ashstromansh> Hi
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<ashstromansh> i want to generate pypy-c-sandbox executable file
<ashstromansh> and using this command ~/pypy/pypy/goal$ pypy ../../rpython/bin/rpython -O2 --sandbox targetpypystandalone.py
<ashstromansh> but its getting end up with this result
<ashstromansh> [translation:info] 2.7.10 (5.1.2+dfsg-1~16.04, Jun 16 2016, 17:37:42) [PyPy 5.1.2 with GCC 5.3.1 20160413] [platform:msg] Set platform with 'host' cc=None, using cc='gcc', version='Unknown' [translation:info] Translating target as defined by targetpypystandalone [translation:info] Error: File "/home/santo/pypy/rpython/translator/goal/translate.py", line 284, in main default_goal='compile') File "/home/santo/pypy/rpython
<mattip> that is because we do not have the resources to support sandbox
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<ashstromansh> Correct me if i am wrong,but you are saying that pypy doesnt have sandbox feature?
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<mattip> I guess we should update that page and this one http://doc.pypy.org/en/latest/sandbox.html
<mattip> to reflect the fact that it is no longer maintained
<armin_rigo> the page I pointed to says clearly it's a prototype in need of finishing
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<mattip> sorry, I meant https://pypy.org/download.html (sandboxing section)
* mattip off
<ashstromansh> Hi armin,thanks for replying ....i have went through all those
<ashstromansh> process with the link you have given
<ashstromansh> i understand that its in working stage
<ashstromansh> but i wanted to generate the pypy-c-sandbox as instructed in the link you have given
<ashstromansh> but in order to do that
<ashstromansh> i am getting this error
<ashstromansh> [translation:info] Error: File "/home/santo/pypy/rpython/translator/goal/translate.py", line 284, in main default_goal='compile')
<ashstromansh> I am able to successfully transalte the Jit version and its endup with a pypy-c file
<ashstromansh> similarly i want to generate the pypy-c-sandbox file
<ashstromansh> please help
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<armin_rigo> ashstromansh: first I'd need to see the complete error message
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<ashstromansh> here
<ashstromansh> santo@santo-HP-Pavilion-15-Notebook-PC:~/pypy/pypy/goal$ pypy ../../rpython/bin/rpython -O2 --sandbox targetpypystandalone.py
<ashstromansh> [translation:info] 2.7.10 (5.1.2+dfsg-1~16.04, Jun 16 2016, 17:37:42)
<ashstromansh> [PyPy 5.1.2 with GCC 5.3.1 20160413]
<ashstromansh> [platform:msg] Set platform with 'host' cc=None, using cc='gcc', version='Unknown'
<ashstromansh> [translation:info] Translating target as defined by targetpypystanda
<ashstromansh> [translation:info] Error:
<ashstromansh> File "/home/santo/pypy/rpython/translator/goal/translate.py", line 284, in main
<ashstromansh> default_goal='compile')
<ashstromansh> File "/home/santo/pypy/rpython/translator/driver.py", line 566, in from_targets
<ashstromansh> spec = target(driver, args)
<ashstromansh> File "targetpypystandalone.py", line 313, in target
<ashstromansh> assert 0, ("--sandbox is not tested nor maintained. If you "
<ashstromansh> [translation:ERROR] AssertionError: --sandbox is not tested nor maintained. If you really want to try it anyway, remove this line in pypy/goal/targetpypystandalone.py.
<ashstromansh> [translation] start debugger..
<ashstromansh> > /home/santo/pypy/pypy/goal/targetpypystandalone.py(313)target() -> assert 0, ("--sandbox is not tested nor maintained. If you " (Pdb+)
<LarstiQ> ashstromansh: next time, use a pastebin site to not flood irc
<ashstromansh> Okay sure,my bad
<kenaan> arigo pypy.org[extradoc] 4d64c0df4967 /: Update the section about sandboxing again, to make it sound even less supported
<arigato> ashstromansh: well, yes
<arigato> the error message says "it's not tested nor maintained"
<arigato> if you read the full error message you'll see what it says
<arigato> I'm sorry, I don't know how to make it give a clearer error message
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<ashstromansh> Yes but how would i test it if it is not even build yet?
<arigato> "If you "
<arigato> "really want to try it anyway, remove this line in "
<arigato> "pypy/goal/targetpypystandalone.py
<ashstromansh> I am intreseted in generating the pypy-c-sandbox file
<arigato> if you don't know how to remove an "assert 0" line in a file like instructed, then you're very unlikely to be able to fix any further problems
<arigato> so, sorry
<ashstromansh> Okay i will try this
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<arigato> mattip: are you here?
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<kenaan> arigo cffi/cffi def116eeded6 /setup.py: Improve error message
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<mattip> arigato: pong
* mattip struggling with binops again
<mattip> x = np.string_('abcdef'); print ' ' + x"
<mattip> crashes on PyPy in array_add, in CPython it some resolves the __add__ without reaching array_add at all
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<mattip> s/somehow/some
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<arigato> mattip: I wanted to ask if you think it makes sense now, to change cpyext to not rely on the linker and #defines PyXx PyPyXx
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<mattip> arigato: maybe. There is a certain advantage to immediately knowing that someone is trying to link/load the wrong ABI
<mattip> does it cause pain somewhere?
<arigato> it's related to the upgrade of the .pypy41.so suffix, which is a pain for cffi
<arigato> I was wondering if we could change something inside the produced .so instead of changing the suffix itself
<LarstiQ> SO_VERSION?
<arigato> no, something sane and portable
<arigato> it can be by removing the whole PyPyXxx symbols from the libpypy-c.so
<arigato> or it might be something else in a corner
<arigato> it's very indirectly related to the RevDB issue that on recent Linuxes it apparently must be built without --shared
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<mattip> my concern is that people would use the cpython headers with a pypy so to build, lets say, pyxml or numpy
<mattip> on linux, to take a specific case
<mattip> so today they get a runtime error trying to load the program
<mattip> it might be worth trying to see what happens on a branch if we build without the defines, if they still startup errors,
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<mattip> or only get import errors when importing the extension library, which many extension modules like to hide behind their own error message
<mattip> the best would be if we could craft a way to fail to compile/link
<mattip> but it's hard to imagine how using the wrong headers would trigger that
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<ashstromansh> Hi thanks for your help
<ashstromansh> i have removed the asser 0 line
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<ashstromansh> and den it stats translation
<fijal> arigato: ping
<ashstromansh> but after the completion of transaltion the pypy-c file is generated in the /goal directory instead of pypy-c-sandbox
<mattip> ashstromansh: you did read https://pypy.org/features.html#sandboxing very carefully?
<mattip> especially "Please be aware that it is a prototype only" and "These instructions give you a pypy-c that you should rename to pypy-sandbox to avoid future confusion"
<mattip> and also "You will likely have to fix some issues yourself, or checkout an old version, or otherwise play around on your own"
<ashstromansh> Sorry mattip,after searching on internet for like 1 week,my mind got stucked with the pypy-c-sandbox thing
<ashstromansh> thanks a lot guys
<ashstromansh> u saved me
<arigato> fijal: pong
<arigato> mattip: I see. indeed, I don't see how building so's with CPython's header would trigger any failure
<fijal> arigato: we gonna go to kirstenbosh for shopping and then come back
<fijal> if it does not rain, gonna go hike ~4
<arigato> ok
<arigato> fijal: fwiw, the test we wrote yesterday has a line "x == y" instead of "assert x == y", so it actually fails
<mattip> arigato: it seems I am mistaken, even with the current situation we only get failures at runtime, for example
<arigato> yes, I don't see how that would work
<arigato> maybe pypy's distutils should #define something that makes CPython's own "Python.h" explode?
<mattip> +1 for adding a generated include file, with #ifndef PYPY_VERSION
<arigato> sorry, I don't understand?
<mattip> pypy's distutils could generate a file and include it by default in the build_extension command
<arigato> but what would that file contain to explode if and only if we #include "Python.h" and it finds CPython's headers?
<mattip> #ifndef PYPY_VERSION
<arigato> ah, it would do #include "Python.h" itself?
<arigato> it may work, although I had in mind a different hack to avoid including Python.h if the rest of the program doesn't
<mattip> hmm, it would need to assume that was the intention
<mattip> so #ifdef PY_VERSION && !defined(PYPY_VERSION)
<arigato> no, that doesn't work if it's put in its own .c file
<arigato> we could hack by adding the gcc option "-DPy_PYTHON_H", which makes #include "Python.h" do nothing for CPython
<arigato> but then it doesn't fail very explicitly
<mattip> some kind of post-build dlopen test?
<arigato> no, that would fail complicated cross-platform builds
<mattip> right
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<kenaan> arigo unicode-utf8 7193602c9384 /rpython/rlib/: Fix test, improve logic
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<mattip> detecting at runtime would definitely be easier, assuming ld succeeds, we could do something in the init module function
<mattip> but then we would need to insure ld succeeds
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<mattip> found it (maybe), PyStringArrType_Type->tp_as_number->tp_add is NULL on CPython but cpyext_cpyext_tp_as_number_c_nb_add_str on PyPy
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<ashstromansh> Hi guys here the dumb ashstromansh again
<ashstromansh> do you guys mind if i will ask few more question?
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<LarstiQ> ashstromansh: asking questions should always be fine
<LarstiQ> ashstromansh: just take into account that answering them depends on what people are up for, and when it comes to sandbox resources are slim
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<ashstromansh> LarstiQ:Roger that
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<ashstromansh> This error is occuring when i am trying to run Hello world
<fijal> arigato: you around?
<arigato> yes
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<fijal> arigato: we're back, doing some shopping and then waiting for sheenagh to go hiking
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<kenaan> rlamy default 2b1b6c5545d0 /rpython/flowspace/test/test_objspace.py: Imperative py.test.skip() is evil
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