cfbolz changed the topic of #pypy to: PyPy, the flexible snake (IRC logs: https://quodlibet.duckdns.org/irc/pypy/latest.log.html#irc-end ) | use cffi for calling C | if a pep adds a mere 25-30 [C-API] functions or so, it's a drop in the ocean (cough) - Armin
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<mattip> cfbolz: when you have some time, there are some new failures on default
<cfbolz> on it
<mattip> cool
<cfbolz> the jit one is interesting, seems there is a complicated bug that hypothesis eventually found
<cfbolz> mattip: is the vmprof test flaky? ie does it occasionally fail? or should we ping maciek?
<mattip> you just did :)
<mattip> almost
<cfbolz> fijal: ^^
<mattip> but yeah, that test is flaky
<mattip> not sure why
<cfbolz> it's timing dependant, I think
<mattip> maybe there are too many other tests running in parallel
<fijal> yeah vmprof tests are bad
<fijal> I don't think that code got changed at all tbh?
<fijal> I know, not a solid excuse
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<cfbolz> fijal: there are aarch64 vmprof failures though
<mattip> ... due to the host not having vmprof installed I think
<fijal> yeah
<cfbolz> Heh, that's a good reason 😅
<mattip> "Ignoring vmprof: markers '"x86" in platform_machine' don't match your environment"
* mattip seeing if we can fix the ./requirements.txt for arm64
<fijal> yeah just *enabling* vmprof took like half a day
<fijal> looking for all the places that do that
<mattip> it seems we need a new release of vmprof-python with the changes from last week
<mattip> fijal: any thoughts about a minimum version of macos to support on vmprof-python?
<mattip> I can see if cibuildwheel + github actions can make the experience nicer, but they don't support really old macos
<fijal> mattip: I have Mojave, I think that's pretty old for a mac user
<fijal> so I would prefer if we support that
<fijal> but no, I don't actually know
<cfbolz> mattip: I think I fixed stuff
<mattip> thanks
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<mattip> cfbolz: I tried to merge your latest commits to py3.7 but some of the code has diverged, would you mind doing it at some point?
<cfbolz> checking
<cfbolz> right, pypy3 has some of the optimizations that I did on default already
<antocuni> one more reason to hate all the typing nonsense: you can no longer grep for "foo =" to find all assignments to foo :(
<mattip> antocuni: :(
<cfbolz> antocuni: also, walrus operator
<antocuni> I always thought that if a language needs advanced IDE support to be used properly, it's a good sign that the language is problematic
<antocuni> and it seems that python is quickly going in that direction :(
<fijal> antocuni: not only it needs advancd IDE support, language makes it very hard to create advanced IDE support
<fijal> (C# is done in a way that needs advanced IDE support, but the language is designed to make it easy)
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