<nicksydney>
when looking at the motion sensor yesterday was thinking what if anelok uses that kind of sensor for user interface....for eg:- one tap for acticvating, 2 tap for shutting down, mid air gesture for unlocking password , etc :)...too much use cases :)
<whitequark>
<does a complex gesture> "All data erased" "NOOO I WANTED MY DROPBOX PASSWORD"
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<nicksydney>
whitequark: surely wprak will come with a 'sophisticated algorithm' to avoid that :)
<wpwrak>
gen and figfilt select items in wheel.fig by a number in its comment. so you can make animation sequences that way
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<apelete>
hi there
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<apelete>
larsc: on the subject of debugging dma last night, didn't made much progress
<apelete>
I was constantly losing connection from the serial line
<apelete>
some of the joints may be damaged, will probably have to desolder & resolder again
<whitequark>
I was thinking for a moment you've been talking about a living thing in your last message
<whitequark>
"some of the joints may be damaged..." yeah, that's sad, it's probably quite old... "have to desolder" WHAT
<apelete>
whitequark: :D
<apelete>
talking about nanonote, funny misunderstanding :)
<wpwrak>
whitequark: been to the bioengineering morgue again ? :)
<apelete>
anyway, that made me depressed last night (couldn't achieve anything) but on the bright side I've got better tools since last time
<wpwrak>
i.e., a bigger hammer
<apelete>
yes, should be easier and more robust this time (with a bigger hammer) ;-)
<larsc>
if the nail to to fragile a bigger hammer wont do any good ;)
<whitequark>
but it shatters in such a satisfying way
<apelete>
compared to ben, the serial line on gcw-zero seems to be much more robust (never dropped on me yet)
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<larsc>
nothing like capacitor acid fumes in the morning
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<kyak>
wpwrak: what's the status of atusb support in upstream kernel? I remember last time i asked, there were still few patches required
<wpwrak>
still the same. upstream is at the moment a big construction site. since alex (the one doing most of the breaking) uses atben and atusb, he never breaks compatibility for long :)
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<kyak>
but the patches are not upstream, what compatibility are you talking about?
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<wpwrak>
driver vs. the rest of the stack. and no, they're not upstream. a) still need some cleaning and fixing, and b) they're working on rearranging the driver API, which will be a major improvement. but i'm not sure i want to wait for that. it's been kinda "in the air" for a good while
<kyak>
sorry, if i missed somthing
<wpwrak>
i waited until you came back :)
<kyak>
anyway, i think it would be absolutely great if two factors come together - atben/atusb goes into production (again) and the linux support is upstream
<kyak>
if i just could plug the beast into my openwrt router and it just worked
<wpwrak>
hehe, i hear you :)
<kyak>
i'm kinda doing a little project involving home sensors and my current idea is to use a separate microprocessor that would talk to router via uart, and act as a "hub" for wireless sensors
<kyak>
i was thinkinh about atben/atusb, but then i realized that i only have one pair of them
<kyak>
and they are no more
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<kyak>
so, the use case would be - use router with atusb as a "hub" and a bunch of mcu's with sensors and atben to send data to the hub
<wpwrak>
yeah that sounds nice
<wpwrak>
quite a few boards have uSD or SD card holders that can be used with atben. sometimes you have other connectors in the way, though
<kyak>
there are sd<->usd adaptors and then some boards have "kits" that provide sd slot
<kyak>
i'm still thinking to do this without soldering :))
<kyak>
i DESTROYED FURIOUSLY the last sd-usd adaptor
<kyak>
when trying to solder atben to its pins
<wpwrak>
action ! ;-)
<wpwrak>
but you could just have inserted atben, without destroying the adapter :)
<kyak>
mmm.. you are right, that's what i did. I meant when trying to solder the sd adaptor to the board
<kyak>
actually, i was trying to solder wires to sd adaptor pins
<wpwrak>
oh :)
<kyak>
so that to solder other side to the board pin afterwards
<wpwrak>
solder a card holder (uSD or SD) to the board instead ?
<kyak>
or get a shield that would provide the card holder
<kyak>
so nobody gets damaged
<wpwrak>
bleh. get a board that comes with a card holder ? :) e.g., beaglebone is known to work with atben. and it runs linux :)
<kyak>
i understand, it's just a matter of right tools and then someone experienced should show once how to do that
<whitequark>
there are like 10,000 guides on the internet
<whitequark>
one of them will surely work for you
<wpwrak>
kyak: no hackspaces in your area where they have soldering courses ?
<kyak>
i would've done it, if i really needed
<kyak>
but as you can see, it is not really necessary
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<wpwrak>
whitequark: sometimes one makes a mistake that's easy to spot for everyone but for the one making the mistake
<kyak>
wpwrak: i'm just not motivated enough to go for it. Again, if it was really necessary, i would
<wpwrak>
kyak: it's like the difference between being able to cook and the ability to order a meal at mcdonalds ...
<kyak>
or maybe cook yourself a sandwich in microwave and a fancy restaraunt? :)
<kyak>
have to go now, see you!
<wpwrak>
even if you can microwave your sandwich, you can still go to the fancy restaurant :) but if you don't know how to microwave your sandwich, you'll go hungry if you want to eat at night, when the restaurant is closed. (well, you could still eat your sandwich cold ...)
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<sb0>
of course, just like it was illusory to expect the default kicad track width (1mil) to be reasonable, it's also illusory to expect that the default soldermask opening (zero) to be about right, too
<sb0>
they really put a lot of effort into designing the worst UX possible
<sb0>
well, at least it doesn't crash every 5 minutes
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<wpwrak>
i'm beginning to wonder whether there may be a lucrative business to be made by kickstartering a campaign to produce "Arduino Must Die" t-shirts :)
<wpwrak>
the FPGA approach is interesting, though. drives the concept a bit to absurdity, but oh well