<kyak>
DocScrutinizer05: it wasn't in news, it's a documentary film about World War I. Of course, every documentary is also a complex research project, so it's error-prone. The creators already acknowledged this mistake and apologized for it (it will be corrected).
<whitequark>
is that the only thing you find odd in that article?
<kyak>
the article operates the facts (kind of wikipedia style), that's odd
<kyak>
mixing those facts with "funny" facts
<kyak>
maybe trying to make those "funny" facts more credible
<kyak>
ok, i'm out
<whitequark>
... more credible?
<mth>
I think mainstream news has become so poor that fake news doesn't stand out anymore...
<DocScrutinizer05>
ohmy
<DocScrutinizer05>
other topic: the sentence >> The actual X is the lower value *between* A and B << sounds odd. Is that just me or the writer of this sentence using poor english?
<whitequark>
poor english
<DocScrutinizer05>
The actual X is the lower of the two values A and B
<whitequark>
better said as "X is the lesser of A and B"
<whitequark>
or what you said
<mth>
"the minimum of A and B" would be another option
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<wpwrak>
kyak: the thing is that theonion is a sarcastic site making fun of news and journalism. nothing they report is supposed to be serious. the problem in this case is that - as mth remarked - exaggeration doesn't work as a mechanism for marking parody.
<eintopf>
they had also make an movie about theonion news :-)
<wpwrak>
oh :)
<whitequark>
i still maintain that theonion is the only thing worth reading.
<wpwrak>
whitequark: i kinda like telepolis, of heise.de
<wpwrak>
whitequark: sometimes has a strong ideological slant, but at least they're pretty distant from "mainstream" media. i.e., tranquilizers for the uneducated masses
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<larsc>
apelete: did you have 3.16 running on the nanonote?
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<apelete>
larsc: yes, I tested the last patches I sent upstream on 3.16-rcX
<apelete>
larsc: didn't publish a proprer jz-3.16 branch for the nanonote though, would you like me to do so ?
<larsc>
if you have it
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<DocScrutinizer05>
((<whitequark> hm, no clue, but hopefully yes)) alas for all I can tell from filtering the few little common parts out of the noise, there are not
<DocScrutinizer05>
(where I don't give any credibility to the usual Saddam/Gaddafi babbling of "forgein forces pay them for demontrating and give them extasy pills")
<DocScrutinizer05>
ounds more like a thing Russia might occasionally do
<whitequark>
well, that did happen in the past
<whitequark>
but it doesn't really give any credibility to the claims
<DocScrutinizer05>
I haven't heard of busses transporting randomly picked passengers to demos "in the name of western forces"
<whitequark>
oh, demonstrating, I misread
<whitequark>
that I haven't heard of, too
<DocScrutinizer05>
if there were, some eastern news had reported about it
<DocScrutinizer05>
we however seen that happen for pro-russian demonstrators
<whitequark>
yeah, it's a well-known strategy. happens for elections regularly, too
<DocScrutinizer05>
unclear if they received money for it
<whitequark>
they di
<whitequark>
did*
<whitequark>
though the amounts are laughable
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, here idiot pensioners even pay for getting transported whole day to a sales event where they can buy snake oil for €€€€
<DocScrutinizer05>
goog kaffeefahrt
<DocScrutinizer05>
google*
<whitequark>
that's not unique to DE :p
<whitequark>
selling snake oil to pensioners is an amusement widespread worldwide
<wpwrak>
whitequark: what's actually the general opinion of putin in russia ? he does seem to have established control over the mafia that had taken over after the fall of communism, doesn't he ?
<whitequark>
wpwrak: widespread support, especially after annexion of crimea
<whitequark>
>80%
<wpwrak>
so much about "and Russia tires of Putinism’s misdeeds," :)
<whitequark>
which is why I say, the whole damn place just needs to be burned down
<wpwrak>
well, this sort of things tend to excite people. nothing new about it. if the populace doubts you, start a war.
<whitequark>
sure
<whitequark>
but there hasn't even been a single protest against the war
<wpwrak>
but apart from ukraine, what do people think of putin's cleanup inside the country ? do they recognize it as such ?
<whitequark>
and in the west, there were pretty big ones against iraq and so. not that it changed much, but still
<wpwrak>
different cultures ...
<whitequark>
well, the country is in some order. it's better than India or, apparently, Argentina
<wpwrak>
the west has lived with democracy long enough that the governments know they don't have to fear it :)
<whitequark>
I wouldn't dare to guess how much of a Putin's accomplishment is that
<whitequark>
it is also true that Putin's rule mostly coincided with a marked increase in the standard of life
<wpwrak>
that helps, of course
<whitequark>
because of oil prices, of course. but again, it's not causation
<whitequark>
most people don't analyze it to that level, of course
<wpwrak>
were people frustrated with the disorder before putin came to power ?
<whitequark>
yes
<whitequark>
I mean, there was rampant mafia, and then there was the default of 1998
<wpwrak>
so putin did good, or is at least perceived as having done so
<wpwrak>
(perceived by his country's population)
<whitequark>
pretty much the only part of society dissatisfied with putin are young urban professionals.
<whitequark>
everyone else is 1) trained to accept whatever rule is in order, or 2) happy with however little they got, or 3) happy with said increase in living standard, or 4) just don't give a fuck
<wpwrak>
what bothers the young urban professionals most ? the more restrictive laws ? increased customs restrictions ?
<wpwrak>
and well, 3) is a pretty strong argument :)
<whitequark>
the internet censorship, the customs restrictions, complete lack of due process, nearly complete corruption in all parts of government, the fact that if you go to a protest you will be randomly beaten, jailed and chances are imprisoned,
<whitequark>
the increasing role of church in politics (which is just another corrupt branch of government, if you look at it right now),
<whitequark>
complete lack of investment in non-extractive industries,
<wpwrak>
ah, church seizing its opportunity after communism. interesting :)
<whitequark>
the fact that the country is led by a nepotic asshole with imperialist tendencies, at last.
<whitequark>
I could go on
<wpwrak>
did you ever participate in any protest ?
<whitequark>
haven't got a chance
<wpwrak>
lack of due process is with regard to specific issues or general ?
<whitequark>
both
<whitequark>
I mean, the case against Navalny (regardless of his virtues in general) is fabricated. specifically.
<whitequark>
the government accuses him of fraud. the company that he supposedly defrauded repeatedly makes public and official statements, including in writing by CEO, that they are completely satisfied with Navalny's job
<whitequark>
the government continues accusing him of fraud, now inventing claims so bogus you can hardly believe your eyes,
<whitequark>
this is typical.
<whitequark>
and in general? look at statistics. over 99% of cases are resolved as "guilty".
<whitequark>
(against private persons, at least)
<whitequark>
this is a well-known and studied phenomenon that basically means that courts are broken.
<wpwrak>
is that a legacy from the communist era or something he re-introduced ?
<whitequark>
I have no idea at all how law worked in USSR, so can't answer.
<whitequark>
I'm fairly sure it isn't new, just because such things are systemic failures and aren't introduced (or disappear) quickly
<wpwrak>
whitequark: so the complaint in the area of justice is basically that he hasn't done enough (and/or may not be interested in doing something), to bring russia to a western level ?
<whitequark>
that's a good description of it.
<wpwrak>
and, from the young urban professionals, that he basically ignores them and their economic potential
<whitequark>
from what I understand, the current top positions in government are occupied by Putin himself and his KGB friends
<whitequark>
there was a great infographic recently, it's astonishing how pervasive the nepotism is
<whitequark>
in early 2000s there were quite some changes to the better, RU actually seemed like it had some kind of bright future
<wpwrak>
you should see what we have in argentina :) there's a whole factory of government goons. they have their people everywhere now. i guess it'll be fun to watch the great purge 2016 and onward
<whitequark>
could also see this by watching the sentiment (and investor money) from the west
<whitequark>
but now it's all completely reversed
<wpwrak>
so economic policies. yes, these things only bother the "little people" when then actually result in problems for them.
<whitequark>
well, it's not just economy, but you aren't far off
<whitequark>
when you place bread on table, you can be quite an asshole and still people would vote for you
<whitequark>
especially if not so long ago there wasn't any bread.
<wpwrak>
people also tend to accept some measure of other decisions they may not entirely like
<wpwrak>
how's the perception of the terrorism threat ? did people get worked up about it ? after all, it reached even moscow. and how do they feel about it now ?
<whitequark>
very little
<wpwrak>
from your description, it seems that putin's principal failing is that you don't like him ;-)
<whitequark>
there was some worry in early 2000s, but nowhere like american levels of runaway positive feedback loop
<wpwrak>
hah, there's something to be said about russian calm ;-)
<whitequark>
(I don't like him) I don't like a country which doesn't *have* to stay on the level of development of Nigeria, but it still does
<wpwrak>
probably the best way to fight terrorism. just ignore it and proceed with your life. they'll grow tired of blowing themselves up soon enough ...
<whitequark>
that's a pretty fucking good reason
<whitequark>
(fight terrorism) yes, absolutely. treat it like a natural disaster.
<wpwrak>
well, it seems that he took several steps in the right direction. stabilize things. wait a bit while making sure no new mafia pops up when things get opened again.
<wpwrak>
at least it would seem that the mafia rule was the sort of problem that would justify exceptional measures
<whitequark>
you do realize that the main function of the government is extracting money by truckloads into Swiss banks?
<whitequark>
and by "extracting" I mean "blatant theft"
<wpwrak>
ah, wisely creating reserves ? ;-)
<whitequark>
there were reserves, in fact
<whitequark>
I may not be entirely up to date, but I think not anymore
<wpwrak>
how long can putin stay in power ? are there any constitutional limits for him ?
<whitequark>
HAHAHA
<whitequark>
excellent question
<whitequark>
first it was two terms of 4 years
<wpwrak>
(reserves) maybe they've been "privatized". most of the west would applaud ;-
<wpwrak>
)
<whitequark>
and I think there was some measure that allowed him to take 4 years off and then restart indefinitely
<whitequark>
but a few years ago, very very silently, a constitutional amendment was passed that allowed him to serve 3 terms of 6 years
<whitequark>
i.e. 18 years, and he'll surely be dead by the end of that
<wpwrak>
(picture) so he'd alternate with some companion ?
<whitequark>
medvedev
<whitequark>
the captions say "bald" "hairy"
<wpwrak>
ah ! ;-)
<whitequark>
evidently there aren't any constitutional measures that would actually work
<wpwrak>
medvedev wasn't too bad for the kind of economic development you see missing under putin, was he ?
<whitequark>
so the whole question is irrelevant
<whitequark>
wpwrak: there is no difference
<DocScrutinizer05>
((probably the best way to fight terrorism)) defintely. I'm preaching this since ages
<whitequark>
as in, the people who rule are the same.
<wpwrak>
that alternating scheme sounds like what the kirchners had in mind, with him and her swapping presidency. well, he made the mistake of dying, and then picked her trusted advisers only by loyalty.
<wpwrak>
i think you once had such a government in russia, too :)
<larsc>
well, here we are stuck with Merkel indefinitely
<DocScrutinizer05>
there been Birne ;-P
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: a good case study is Aum Shinrikyo
<whitequark>
larsc: well, Merkel isn't too bad, is she?
<wpwrak>
larsc: 9 years and counting, right ? how much longer can she keep that position ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
see Kohl
<larsc>
wpwrak: 20 at least
<whitequark>
huh
<DocScrutinizer05>
:nod:
<wpwrak>
wow 5 four-year terms. that's a lot
<whitequark>
wpwrak: related. I recall some German politician being rightly accused of plagiarism
<whitequark>
he almost immediately resigned and I think was pretty much banished from politics
<DocScrutinizer05>
HAHAHA
<larsc>
whitequark: and now he works for a think-tank in washington
<wpwrak>
# s/banished/promoted/ ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
oh really? I thought he's internet-expert in Buxelles now
<whitequark>
larsc: gotta sabotage the America
<DocScrutinizer05>
are we actually talking about guttenberg or sb else?
<whitequark>
anyway, my point is, here at RU a bunch of people got excited and uncovered dozens of cases of blatant plagiarism
<wpwrak>
whitequark: i think when/if you get an inside view of western democracies, you'll be rather disappointed
<whitequark>
it ended in a few libel cases, the library institution that was verifying the claims stopping actually accepting the submissions, and that's all
<wpwrak>
whitequark: they have different ways for doing many of the evil things, but that doesn't mean that they don't do them
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: well, the "scorched earth" strategy was news for me
<whitequark>
it makes some perverse sense
<DocScrutinizer05>
actually our TV news are pretty non-biased and explaned all that as a possible reason for the mess long before
<wpwrak>
whitequark: the west seems to become more repressive at an alarming rate. you have a good measure of freedom of speech in most of the western countries, but since everybody has that, it's hard to be heard. so that's the trick.
<whitequark>
wpwrak: it's a global trend. and it also varies heavily.
<wpwrak>
and as soon as economical interests are touched, things turn a lot more hostile
<whitequark>
I sure won't want to become a citizen of US or UK
<whitequark>
the whole "five eyes" thing, basically
<wpwrak>
heh :)
<wpwrak>
unfortunately, they're extending their sphere on influence. e.g., there are secret (!) negotiations between 5 eyes countries and the EU that basically force the EU to adopt many of their laws
<wpwrak>
of course, without a shred of democratic pretense
<whitequark>
that's completely unsurprising
<whitequark>
but again, you gotta work with what you have. I'll take a slightly less broken thing
<DocScrutinizer05>
here in D I notice increasing repression on silly everyday things since years
<DocScrutinizer05>
no smoking, for example
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, that's EU
<whitequark>
heh, smoking
<DocScrutinizer05>
...wide
<whitequark>
RU banned smoking recently for some obscure reason too
<wpwrak>
heh, the smoking ban went surprisingly smoothly in argentina. it seems that people were almost waiting for it ;-)
<whitequark>
I feel it is a part of some wider political move but I don't understand exactly which one
<whitequark>
I'm not going to cry for your vice :p
<wpwrak>
to be "modern" ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
soon you will not be allowed to walk on public streets when you're drunk, or you lose your permission to use your feet
<wpwrak>
well, it's nice if us non-smokers don't have to cough our lungs out. mine are kinda delicate, so this is a rather significant improvement.
<whitequark>
^ smoking is a torture for people with asthma and COPD
<whitequark>
literal torture
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's a worldwide trend for incapacitation
<whitequark>
oh come on
<DocScrutinizer05>
everything, not just no-smoking
<whitequark>
are you still grumpy about that time they took your cocaine use away from you in 1920s?
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes
<DocScrutinizer05>
actaully I am
<DocScrutinizer05>
another instance of silly laws
<whitequark>
well, hm
<whitequark>
I must agree though, drug crackdown led to absolutely no good
<wpwrak>
drugs should be legalized anyway. not as in "sell them at the kiosk, next to the candy", but as in "sell them like prescription medicine"
<whitequark>
wpwrak: no, that's a bad idea
<whitequark>
in US you have more deaths from prescriotion meds overdose than illegal hard drugs, by a large margin
<whitequark>
(see CDC statistics)
<DocScrutinizer05>
so does alcohol abuse
<wpwrak>
exactly. people who want to kill themselves will find a way. they don't need illegal drugs for that.
<wpwrak>
or obesity ...
<whitequark>
still, smoking tends to affect those around you much more
<DocScrutinizer05>
you know those laws originally got installed to regulate the market so hospitals would not run short of narcotics after WW-I ?
<whitequark>
if you need that nicotine, use e-cigs
<whitequark>
(the laws which ban *those* are just idiotic and I stand on that)
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'm not worried about smoking prohibition. Smoking is silly
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: I heard (and read) a different story
<whitequark>
see early WHO documents
<whitequark>
it seemed like some weird outbreak of puritanism
<whitequark>
i.e. mostly ideologically, not practically, motivated
<DocScrutinizer05>
german drug laws predate the WHO
<whitequark>
same as war on drugs in USA now, except USA lags fifty years behind or something
<DocScrutinizer05>
(smoking) they gonna forbid e-cigs completely, pretty soonish
<whitequark>
that's just idiotic
<DocScrutinizer05>
they try to define it as a medication that needs approval
<DocScrutinizer05>
that's what i mean
<whitequark>
should do it to alcohol too
<whitequark>
by exact same logic
<DocScrutinizer05>
they gonna forbit riding bicycle without wearing a helmet
<DocScrutinizer05>
forbid*
<whitequark>
yeah I see what you mean by "everyday repression"
<DocScrutinizer05>
you MSUT NOT work longer than 8h per day
<DocScrutinizer05>
etc pp
<whitequark>
americans call it "nanny state"
<DocScrutinizer05>
exactly
<whitequark>
a pretty apt definition I say
<DocScrutinizer05>
netsplit?
<whitequark>
not to me
<DocScrutinizer05>
k
<DocScrutinizer05>
gave infobot a reboot
<DocScrutinizer05>
[2014-09-06 Sat 21:16:50] <-- infobot (ibot@rikers.org) has left this server (*.net *.split).
<DocScrutinizer05>
[2014-09-06 Sat 21:21:16] --> infobot (ibot@rikers.org) has joined this channel.
<DocScrutinizer05>
:-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
>> Erst bei der 2. Opiumkonferenz im Jahr 1925 in Genf wurde die Hanfdroge in ein internationales Abkommen aufgenommen. China und die USA hatten bei der Abstimmung die Konferenz bereits unter Protest verlassen. Indien und sieben weitere Länder stimmten gegen die Aufnahme des Hanfs unter die zu kontrollierenden Drogen. Ägypten und neun weitere Länder, für eine solche Aufnahme. Großbritannien und die Nieder- lande enthielten sich
<DocScrutinizer05>
der Stimme. Das Deutsche Reich stimmte dafür, weil Ägypten im Gegenzug dem Deutschen Reich zusicherte, kein Importverbot für Heroin zu erlassen. Hanf wurde 1925 den Interessen der deutschen Pharmaindustrie geopfert.<<
<DocScrutinizer05>
:-P
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<lok>
hi all
<lok>
need advice abt mk808/android tv related info if any one has used
<DocScrutinizer05>
mhm
<DocScrutinizer05>
when it's not too android related...
<DocScrutinizer05>
i'd say, ask
<lok>
thanks
<lok>
& sorry for being little late
<whitequark>
late?
<lok>
i was hunting a low-cost/relibale device (like chromecast) whcih can be sandwiched between my USB thumb drive and LCD TV(non-smart) to view movies
<lok>
movies are stroed in USB thumb drive
<lok>
7 mins whitequark
<lok>
DocScrutinizer05:
<DocScrutinizer05>
ok
<lok>
i dont like to switch ON both devices together(TV+Laptop/Phone) to see movies from chromecast
<DocScrutinizer05>
I can only tell you that the *hardware* of mk808 should be exactly what you need. No idea about chromecast and the OS on mk808 though
<lok>
ok yes that is what i have concluded but not sure
<lok>
thanks for advice
<lok>
is mk808 latest in its series? m8x
<lok>
i think it was launched very long back
<lok>
DocScrutinizer05:
<DocScrutinizer05>
there seems to be a rk3188 based one
<DocScrutinizer05>
quad core, 1.6GHz
<DocScrutinizer05>
and a 2core 1GHz
<DocScrutinizer05>
rk3066
<lok>
it is some chinese company
<lok>
ezcast, iam not sure whether it is hepful for me or not? measy
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'd assume it for sure is capable to playback usual video files
<DocScrutinizer05>
no idea if yours are "usual" though
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, it says OS is android, so you prolly could find most of the commonly used android apps for it
<lok>
i have video files like mkv, mp4, avi
<lok>
i guess those are usual now a days
<lok>
DocScrutinizer05:
<lok>
android app for what?
<DocScrutinizer05>
whatever you need
<DocScrutinizer05>
chromecast? (if that's an app)
<lok>
ok
<DocScrutinizer05>
maybe better ask on err #android maybe?
<lok>
ok
<lok>
one more query was htc 1 v hooking up wiht my TV