<solrize>
mth thanks i looked around a little and they seem scarce, and the last ones retailed were quite expensive.
<solrize>
wpwrak, hmm thanks
<solrize>
yeah 2nd hand would be ok, at the moment i'm feeling kind of poor and don't want to pay a lot, but when i get some more $$ then it will be less of an issue
<wpwrak>
heh, poverty may work in your favour in this case :) there ought to be some people who bought bens who never got around to using them, or who didn't see them fit for whatever they had in mind doing with them
<whitequark>
I'd send one over if international transactions weren't such a pain in the ass
<solrize>
wpwrak, yeah, it sounds like some people might have dusty ones, but they probably have good resale value. i don't see any on ebay right now
<solrize>
if i got one i don't know if i'd really use it. but i got the computer i really wanted (nokia n900) and just feel suspicious of it so i don't do anything with it either.
<wpwrak>
solrize: the number of units out there may just be too small for many to make them to ebay. if you ask on the list, i think your chances are much better.
<wpwrak>
(n900) suspicious ? sounds as if you may be interested in a neo900 ;-)
<solrize>
wpwrak, yeah, i might check there if my desire becomes strong enough. neo900, hmm, that will be nice when it happens :)
<solrize>
the hw is still too complicated though
<wpwrak>
too complicated in what sense ?
<solrize>
very fancy cpu with lots of inscrutable modes, baseband radio processor with its own opaque software that has direct access to the n900's main memory, built in wireless communications that can leak info, etc.
<wpwrak>
what ? no, that modem has no direct access to main memory at all
<wpwrak>
in fact, the whole critter it built with unreasonable amounts of paranoia. but then, today's unreasonable may be tomorrow's normal, cf. perceptions before and after snowden
<wpwrak>
kewl. a 3rd wave of icloud pictures is making the rounds. some lesson on why you still have to use your brain, even if you bought some shiny gadget from apple.
<kyak>
wpwrak: that would be a new approach to test applications depending on user input. Unleash them cats! Many cats!
<kyak>
i bet 1 cat, given enough time, would've found that bash bug :)
<wpwrak>
nicksydney: a USB dongle ! ;-)))
<nicksydney>
wpwrak: it's cool now can use USB dongle :)
<wpwrak>
kyak: maybe i should cover anelok in synthetic fur, add pointy ears, and make it purr. might sell like crazy ;-)
<wpwrak>
anelok lolcats edition :)
<kyak>
--)
<whitequark>
wpwrak: you bet it will
<whitequark>
kyak: cat fuzzing?
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<wpwrak>
return -ETOOCUTE;
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<eintopf>
so anelok will support to operate as USB HID to produce the gnome lock screen bug?
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<eintopf>
I would pay for it :-)
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<sb0>
yay, another "open hardware" $12 ARM gadget, stealing more oxygen from any oshw serious project
<sb0>
fuck mozilla
<wpwrak>
sb0: did ARM now become the enemy, with arduino maturing from AVR ? :)
<wpwrak>
and what have mozilla done ?
<sb0>
matchstick.tv
<sb0>
"You may not decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, attempt to derive the source code of any software or software components of the Matchstick software including the Matchstick SDK software."
<sb0>
hahaha
<wpwrak>
so much about "certified by Mozilla" :)
<sb0>
"We take open seriously and the only way hardware can be truly open is removing any barriers to development AND manufacturing"
<sb0>
how about they remove the barriers created by investing shittons of venture capital that allows them to sell this for $12?
<wpwrak>
well, we're kinda used to getting underbidded. i guess we just have to live with that.
<ysionneau>
where did you get the "you may not decompile [..]" sentence from?
<larsc>
it seems opensoftware means there is a documented API
<ysionneau>
and I think Mozilla has nothing to do with this maybe except checking a bit if they were doing nasty things like giving access to user data and breaking the sandboxes and just gave the "certified" bit
<ysionneau>
wow, you actually read the "small lines"
<ysionneau>
indeed that's stupid to call yourself an open source sw and hw project
<sb0>
FWIW... (gigaom people also measure battery capacities in watts)
<ysionneau>
about matchstick, they are playing with the word "open sw & hw" but it's not actually open source, right?
<ysionneau>
it's just basd on fx os which is open source but I guess they don't allow to recompile the FW of the matchstick
<sb0>
they look like the usual bullshit VC-backed users-as-the-product startup that uses kickstarter for PR and openwashing to attract developers, yes
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<ysionneau>
that's so shitty
<ysionneau>
I think either Mozilla is getting bullshited because they are too naive
<ysionneau>
or they are really turning their back on their values
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<dos1>
it's basically the same with phones
<dos1>
firefox os on phones is just android-bis
<dos1>
you can find some pretty open devices, but they're rarity
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<DocScrutinizer05>
((baseband radio processor with its own opaque software that has direct access to the n900's main memory)) Nope, enither N900 nor Neo900 the modem has access to main memory, unlike 99.5% of more contemporary smartphones
<DocScrutinizer05>
incl Jolla
<DocScrutinizer05>
and blackphone, BWAHAAAHAAA
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<abodywithkeyboar>
blackphone pa! more like govphone
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<ysionneau>
19:22 < dos1> it's basically the same with phones < with phones you are supposed to be able to rebuild the FW
<ysionneau>
except some closed source binary
<ysionneau>
but I'm not sure it's the same for the matchstick, the source is not published anywhere, at least I could not find it
<dos1>
ysionneau: but that's not the case even with some "mozilla certified" phones
<ysionneau>
ah really?
<ysionneau>
which one?
<dos1>
zte open for instance
<dos1>
you have to exploit it in order to modify system files
<ysionneau>
hummm
<dos1>
not sure if there's exploit for unlocking the bootloader yet; when I last checked there wasn't
<ysionneau>
Cannot you just flash your own image via fastboot?