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<mistym> If I have a module which carries around an instantiated object that's meant to be interacted with from outside, is it appropriate to assign it as a constant?
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<mistym> E.g. module Foo has Foo::Bar, with Bar not a class but an instantiated object
<apeiros> mistym: "instanciated object" is a pleonasm
<mistym> True
<canton7> it still has to be assigned to at some point, which makes it non-constant... having said that, in rake/clean, the CLEAN and CLOBBER constants are object instances...
<mistym> Dept. of Redundancy Dept., etc.
<apeiros> Foo::Bar = "12"
<apeiros> totally fine IMO
<apeiros> there's many cases where you'll use constants for something different than a class or module
<apeiros> also, classes and modules are just objects too (albeit slightly fancy ones)
<mistym> Yeah, true.
<mistym> Thanks!
<apeiros> the difference only matters when you try to subclass, use extend or include
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<apeiros> for about anything else, you won't see a meaningful difference (an ordinary object can even implement .new, see Struct)
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<postmodern> i notice that Webrick has it's own HTTP escape methods
<postmodern> is it safe to use URI.escape to escape raw HTTP Header values?
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<postmodern> also why is URI.escape / URI.unescape obsoleted?
<postmodern> noticed warning messages are printed if $VERBOSE is enabled
<tpope> I usually use CGI.escape
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<fowl> HEY ALL YOU RUBY FOOLS, PRY 9/11 POINT FIZZOUR IS OUT, `gem update` YOUR BITCHASSES AND GET ON THAT NEXT LEVEL SHIT, YA HEARD??YA HEARD??YA HEARD??
<fowl> HEY ALL YOU RUBY FOOLS, PRY 9/11 POINT FIZZOUR IS OUT, `gem update` YOUR BITCHASSES AND GET ON THAT NEXT LEVEL SHIT, YA HEARD??YA HEARD??YA HEARD??
<fowl> HEY ALL YOU RUBY FOOLS, PRY 9/11 POINT FIZZOUR IS OUT, `gem update` YOUR BITCHASSES AND GET ON THAT NEXT LEVEL SHIT, YA HEARD??YA HEARD??YA HEARD??
* fowl DROPS THE MIC
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<ten1> what a dick
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<rking> Hahaha
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<postmodern> how do you enable Socket::SOCKSSocket?
<postmodern> i see ext/socket/sockssocket.o in the ruby build
<postmodern> but i can't require it
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<postmodern> and the constant isn't there after requiring 'socket'
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<postmodern> do i have to specify some undocumented --enable- option?
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<postmodern> hmm --enable-socks didn't work
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<zzak> socketsocketsocket
<zzak> postmodern: ifdef SOCKS
<zzak> need -DSOCKS or -DSOCKS5
<zzak> ext/socket/extconf.rb: eslif have_library 'socks', 'Rconnect'; $defs << '-DSOCKS'
<zzak> i guess just put some socks on your feet, then compile, and youre golden
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<postmodern> zzak, ah ha, thank you
<postmodern> zzak, or am I "golden toe'd" :P
<mistym> In minitest tests, I can't use my `before` block ivars when creating runtime classes since it interprets the ivars as belonging to the class being created. Is there a better alternative to that ugly behaviour?
<mistym> (The ugly behaviour being my totally terrible workaround)
<postmodern> mistym, Class.new i believe class_evals the block
<mistym> postmodern: Yes, the problem is that it an ivar is evalled as the class's ivar, not an ivar from the scope Class.new was called in.
<mistym> So accessing @ivar within a Class.new block would be nil, not the string.
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<mistym> Assigning to a regular variable works in each test but not terribly DRY when I'm using the same ivar a ton of times.
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<mistym> Oh, I guess I could define an accessor method in the before block.
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<mikepawlak408> i am new to ruby and was wondering if anybody had some suggestions for sites that provide tutrorials, walk-throughs and things of that nature?
<mikepawlak408> any help from the community would be greatly appreciated
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<ten1> I am also learning ruby. I recommend reading the unofficial usage guide in addition to anything anyone else might suggest http://www.caliban.org/ruby/rubyguide.shtml
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<mikepawlak408> thanks so much for this
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<ten1> mikepawlak408: there's also this http://www.ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/html/index.html but it seems kinda dated
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<mikepawlak408> actually has some additional sites there
<ten1> oh yeah. Ruby Koans are nice, Ruby the Hard Way is okay
<mikepawlak408> well thanks so much for your help
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<crazyhorse> how do you install rbenv on a server environment?
<postmodern> crazyhorse, i think they updated the README recently to say how
<postmodern> crazyhorse, to use bin-stubs and what not
<crazyhorse> hmm
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<crazyhorse> i read the whole readme
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<socialcoder> what is the difference between if and while statement
<socialcoder> please clarify
<emocakes> lol
<emocakes> you srs social?
<emocakes> is english your first language?
<socialcoder> no english is not my first language
<socialcoder> what is srs
<emocakes> serious
<socialcoder> but I get your point
<emocakes> if is a one off thing
<emocakes> while, is a loop
<emocakes> you do something while something is true
<emocakes> while 'switch_turned_on' show light
<socialcoder> how does it repeat
<socialcoder> or loop
<emocakes> magic
<socialcoder> well..
<socialcoder> can you give me a code example pls
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<socialcoder> what is a for loop?
<socialcoder> please explain
<emocakes> for socialcoder in room do
<emocakes> kill socialcoder
<emocakes> end
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<emocakes> that will kill everyone though
<socialcoder> how will it kill everyone
<socialcoder> when you mentioned kill social coder
<emocakes> because the function kill is magical
<emocakes> go read a book
<emocakes> ignore
<socialcoder> :(
<tbuehlmann> socialcoder, simple while example: https://gist.github.com/4578412
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<imperator> hm, did BEGIN blocks go away in 1.9 and I wasn't paying attention?
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<socialcoder> I am back
<imperator> hooray, socialcoder is back!
<socialcoder> LOL
<socialcoder> tbuehlmann
<socialcoder> thanks for the gist
<socialcoder> i understand while
<socialcoder> for confuses me
<tbuehlmann> what's "for"? "for each"?
<socialcoder> in layman term what is for doing
<socialcoder> for i in change
<socialcoder> puts "I got #{i}"
<socialcoder> end
<socialcoder> wat is it doing
<socialcoder> what is it sayig
<socialcoder> saying
<imperator> foreach element in something_enumerable
<shevy> change.each would usually be more natural in ruby
<imperator> indeed, i don't see for used very often
<socialcoder> so i can ignore it?
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<tbuehlmann> it's good to know anyway
<shevy> I don't like for much, it seems to be at odds with code like loop {} and .each whenever I try to use it
<socialcoder> so focus on each then
<socialcoder> i understandeach anyways
<shevy> .each is nice because you can think of your array objects as containers, and you ask them directly what they have inside
<shevy> whereas with for, you would have to query about their total size first
<socialcoder> I see
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<crazyhorse> shevy
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<crazyhorse> for bla in array
<crazyhorse> not in ruby :)
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<canton7> for...in has some unintuitive scoping in ruby, though
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<jondot> hey guys. before I build it, wondering if anyone seen a library that supports transforming ruby hashes into different hashes. something of a shape shifting for hashes. the transformation should rely on existing properties of the hash, including a transformed hash (making this an n-pass transformation)
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<banisterfiend> jondot: like 'map' u mean?
<jondot> banisterfiend: not exactly.
<jondot> for example, look at this hash: { image: 'foo.jpg' } transform into { image_url: 'http://example.com/foo.jpg' }
<jondot> you agree that there exist a DSL that can describe this transformation?
<jondot> something like :image => [:image_url, func_urlize] --- just throwing this in the air
<banisterfiend> jondot: i've never needed something like that, but if people do that's probably reasonable
<jondot> well, I personally need it to transform my source data into various clients. each has its own optimization, and I wouldn't like to over-expose data on the wire
<jondot> I know people use RABL for that, but what I'm looking for is beyong the template of just 'collection'/'item'. More in the sense of jbuilder for hashes -- and indeed after tweaking the code a bit, is what i'm using for now (https://github.com/jondot/jbuilder/blob/master/lib/jbuilder.rb)
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<jondot> here's somewhat of the start of what I ideally need https://github.com/trampoline/hash_transformer
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<imperator> when did "module; BEGIN{ }; end" stop parsing?
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<badeball> how come bcrypts password#create returns an ASCII-8BIT encoded string?
<badeball> Encoding.default_internal is UTF-8
<lianj> [1].pack("C*").encoding
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<badeball> I'm not sure if I understand
<yfeldblum> badeball, crypto operations operate on bytes, not on encoded strings
<lianj> the result is binary
<badeball> yfeldblum: so a 'bcrypted' password shouldn't really be stored in a string column at all?
<badeball> sqlite did not like it particularly much :P
<lianj> what orm?
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<badeball> Rails' activerecord
<yfeldblum> badeball, it looks like it currently returns a string that uses only ascii-7bit characters, so you could transcode it to utf-8
<badeball> I suppose that'd work
<bougyman> any reason you're stuck with sqlite?
<badeball> not at all. I'm just messing around.
<bougyman> ok, just that pg has bcrypt built-in server-side.
<yfeldblum> bougyman, which i would not recommend
<bougyman> yfeldblum: nor I.
<badeball> bougyman: yeah, I know, but I enjoy the simplicity of being able to use sqlite when developing
<bougyman> there are better options in pgcrypto than bcrypt
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<yfeldblum> bougyman, i would not recommend the database performing application crypto operations
<yfeldblum> bougyman, the only case where the database should be performing crypto is something like SQL Server's Transparent Data Encryption
<lianj> badeball: not using has_secure_password?
<bougyman> yfeldblum: you don't believe in encrypting any data in the db?
<badeball> lianj: hey, I didn't know about that one
<yfeldblum> bougyman, i'm ok with encrypting data before putting it in the db, or having the db transparently encrypt all data
<bougyman> yfeldblum: I do a bit of the latter, we encrypt FISMA mandated fields only, though.
<bougyman> if i'm doing a completely encrypted db I just put it on an encrypted fs.
<yfeldblum> bougyman, SQL Server's TDE basically stores the db files in encrypted format; it's sort of an alternative to configuring your db server to store data on an encrypted partition
<bougyman> yep
<yfeldblum> bougyman, but i don't like doing things like `insert table (column) values (aes_encrypt(cleartext_key, cleartext_value))`
<bougyman> ah right.
<bougyman> yeah all the encryption in ours is handled by triggers, not in the query logic.
<yfeldblum> bougyman, or anything like `insert into users (email, password_fingerprint) values ('admin@example.com', bcrypt('cleartext_password))
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<bougyman> and functions which take the decryption key for reading.
<yfeldblum> bougyman, in general i prefer code in the application over code in the database, wherever feasible
<bougyman> i don't like business logic db-side, but the manipulation of data seems a proper job for it to do.
<yfeldblum> bougyman, all code manipulates data ...
<yfeldblum> bougyman, that's what code does ...
<bougyman> i meant the specific realm of data storage intricacies.
<bougyman> you don't want your application code doing sharding or clustering, for instance.
<bougyman> well, I don't.
<yfeldblum> bougyman, they're different categories
<yfeldblum> bougyman, i agree on sharding & clustering
<yfeldblum> bougyman, the database interface should be logical storage, not physical storage; and often enough the subject of sharding and clustering deal with the physical distribution of data across the various nodes, but not with the logical storage
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<bougyman> yfeldblum: i don't see distinction between the physical distribution of data.
<bougyman> that is, whether the data is sharded, replicated, or encrypted.
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<yfeldblum> bougyman, one rule of thumb for me is: specific handling of specific columns (encrypt this column but not any of the others) seems to me to be part of the data's logical interface (but the app's internal logic); across-the-board handling (store on encrypted volumes only; replicate everything to two slaves; etc) seems to me to be related to the operation of the database
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<zzak> Zissler: you figure it out?
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<joshcheek> What's a good resource for C Ruby? I'm currently trying to figure out how to use blocks, but I'm going to have a lot of questions like this, figure a nice cheatsheet or short book would go a long way.
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<mistym> joshcheek: Yeah, there are a few good resources. What's your programming skill level in general?
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<joshcheek> mistym: I know a lot of Ruby, and some C.
<mistym> joshcheek: Oh, I misunderstood then. You're looking for something on writing C extensions?
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<joshcheek> mistym: Yes.
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<yfeldblum> joshcheek, you can look at some of the stdlib methods that are written in C and accept blocks
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<mistym> joshcheek: I haven't read it, but Pragmatic Press released the C extension part of Programming Ruby for free: http://pragprog.com/book/ruby3/programming-ruby-1-9
<joshcheek> yfeldblum: In this case, I'm interested in calling blocks (specifically each_char on a string/stream) I've been looking through C source and can see where theyr'e defined (appears to be macros) e.g. for each_char, it looks like it's `RETURN_SIZED_ENUMERATOR(str, 0, 0, rb_str_each_char_size);` but IDK how to use that.
<joshcheek> How to invoke it in C.
<joshcheek> mistym: Yeah, that's a good one. It's gotten me past most of my questions so far (e.g. how to wrap a data structure in a class)
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<joshcheek> yfeldblum: Right, but how would I invoke that with a block from C? How do I define the block, how do I pass it to the method?
<joshcheek> My roommate just woke up, he's suggesting Ruby Under a Microscope. I'll look through there a bit.
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<yfeldblum> joshcheek, http://rxr.whitequark.org/mri/source/vm_eval.c?v=1.9.3-p362#856 may offer some insights
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<joshcheek> yfeldblum: Interesting, thank you.
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<joshcheek> Ooh, I think this is what I really want, except, perhaps, updated (this says its based on 1.7) http://rhg.rubyforge.org/
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<whitequark> reading about python. oh god flying spaghetti monster kill me now
<whitequark> you can change object's class at runtime?!
<whitequark> you can change order or remove base classes at any moment?!
<whitequark> the attributes are first looked up in the instance and then in the class and its ancestors?
<whitequark> what is this, JavaScript?
<whitequark> closures cannot change variables in outer bindings?
<whitequark> "=" cannot be overridden, but "+=" can be?
<whitequark> there is a special-cased method lookup path for arithmetics which involves calling a method on the right operand sometimes?
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<apeiros> whitequark: python's OO is afaik rather "bolted on" style OO
<apeiros> also exemplified by having to pass around self
<whitequark> passing around self is just an insignificant syntactic quirk
<whitequark> but the method lookup for operators is one of the hugest WTFs I've ever seen in programming
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<whitequark> and it isn't even particularly hard to solve without resorting to such horrible hacks
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<whitequark> the article I'm reading has a high-level overview of Psyco, which is quite clever
<whitequark> too bad it's dead
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<hackeron> Any ideas why this would throw a KeyError: key{version} not found? < "%{version}" % {version: 5}.with_indifferent_access
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<hackeron> if I remove the with_indifferent_access (provided by active_support) it works - but I need the indifferent access :(
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<emocakes> python is so horrible
<emocakes> ...
<emocakes> :p
<emocakes> seriously though
<emocakes> I disafree with everything you have said apeiros
<emocakes> disagree even
<emocakes> I think it is an uneducated view
<emocakes> kind of fanboyist
<apeiros> lol
<apeiros> whatever
<emocakes> i'm serious
<emocakes> no, don
<emocakes> don't whatever me
<emocakes> you have no right whatsoever to be bashing python
<emocakes> I'm sure you've never even used it
<emocakes> anyway
<emocakes> bbl
<emocakes> have to feed my snakes
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<whitequark> what was that
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<ten1> language wars, episode nine billion or so
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<apeiros> it was something that wasn't worth to get into a discussion for.
<apeiros> hence: whatever
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<apeiros> emocakes: btw., if you want a discussion, starting with 2 ad-hominems is not a good way. also it's not a welcome thing in this channel in general. bring up arguments instead.
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<emocakes> wuts an adhominem?
<emocakes> sorry boss, im just a poor black emocake
<apeiros> "your view is uneducated" - how educated I am has no relation to how right I am. it's aimed at my person, not at my argument.
<banisterfiend> emocakes: i dont know why you're targeting apeiros, he made one statement compared to whitequark's multiple.
<apeiros> hence ad-hominem.
<apeiros> (ad-hominem literally means "towards/against the person")
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<emocakes> ahh, sorry, forgot we were all legal students here and not neckbeards (banisterfiend excepted)
<apeiros> also, google.
<emocakes> I stand down
<apeiros> that's nothing to do with the legal system
<emocakes> apeiros, my comments were harsh and unduly targeted towards your person
<apeiros> it's got to do with argumenting 101 and basic decency.
<banisterfiend> emocakes: you're a fucking dick
<apeiros> banisterfiend: please don't.
<emocakes> dont ban me banisterfiend :(, I can change.
<emocakes> I told my ex-wife that
<apeiros> 22:36 emocakes: sorry boss, im just a poor black emocake
<apeiros> you could be a pink octopus, I wouldn't care.
<apeiros> all you do is make it seem like you prepare against future repercussions.
<apeiros> "Oooh he banned a black emo!!!"
<apeiros> doesn't shed the best light on you.
<emocakes> not at all apeiros
<emocakes> I'm a very well respected member of the community
<emocakes> obviously not this one with the way you have responded to my comments regarding python
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<apeiros> emocakes: your comments were off the mark. so stop whining.
<emocakes> peace?
<apeiros> up to you. I didn't declare war on you.
<emocakes> you are swiss right? hehe
<whitequark> *facepalm*
<emocakes> but ok
* apeiros sees a neutral joke coming…
<emocakes> nope apeiros, I'm in berlin
<emocakes> i was in zurich a few months ago and had a wonderful gipfel though
<emocakes> where abouts are you in ch?
<apeiros> close to zurich
<apeiros> ~20km outside
<emocakes> towards konstanz?
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<apeiros> towards zug
<emocakes> ok, other wya
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