apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p247: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p448) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<andrewvos> zenspider: But can you still modify them withmethod that modify self?
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<andrewvos> with methods*
<andrewvos> erikh: It's a hacker news terminal thingy... http://andrewvos.com/2013/08/02/hacker-news-in-the-terminal/
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<andrewvos> erikh: Pixel thingy?
<erikh> ah
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<andrewvos> Aww man just found this on my blog: http://cl.ly/image/0v1J1G1r3k2L
<andrewvos> hahahaahah
<andrewvos> hahaha
<andrewvos> shit I should frame these things and put them up in my house
<andrewvos> would make me happy in the mornings
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<andrewvos> Night all. I'll just leave you with something that will scare you http://lifeboxes.neocities.org/
<havenn> andrewvos: Gimme mah boxes back!
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<andrewvos> I know man. I know :(
<andrewvos> What's sadder than :(? Is there an even sadder face?
<drbrain> andrewvos:
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<zenspider> andrewvos: no. numbers are immutable. so it true/false/nil, etc
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<andrewvos> drbrain: I can't see anything there?
<andrewvos> zenspider: Thanks!
<zenspider> n/p
<andrewvos> drbrain: Why can't I see it :(
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<andrewvos> weechat is pissing me off
<drbrain> andrewvos: missing font? not in UTF-8 mode?
<andrewvos> Could be my font
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<andrewvos> Nope not the font
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<andrewvos> This is weird
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<andrewvos> Ok do a smiley now
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<andrewvos> ☃
<andrewvos> yay
<drbrain>
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<andrewvos> er
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<andrewvos> now you're just messing with me?
<drbrain>
<andrewvos> oh ffs
<drbrain> here's CRYING CAT FACE again:
<andrewvos> lies
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<drbrain> maybe your client doesn't like 4 byte UTF-8 characters
<andrewvos>
<drbrain> I saw your characters
<drbrain> it was two FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY
<andrewvos> ☺
<andrewvos> Ok that seems to work
<andrewvos> It's not emoji though
<andrewvos> What am I doing? Sheesh who cares. Bed time! :)
<drbrain> your client must not like things above U+FFFE
<andrewvos> Got nerd sniped by my own terminal again
<andrewvos> night!
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<Bandu> hi, drbrain, andrewvos
<Bandu> i missed this channel
<Bandu> what's going on?
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<erikh> hello
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<yorickpeterse> herro
<erikh> hi
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<andrewvos> Damn my current-unique-users thing is working perfectly
<andrewvos> Not crashed at all
<andrewvos> May build a little service out of this
<andrewvos> Hey erikh, question. The way it works is to include an img pointing to server/client/CLIENT_ID/tracker.gif
<andrewvos> How can I make sure CLIENT_ID only comes from the actual server?
<andrewvos> Without having to put server side code on the site being tracked?
<andrewvos> I mean, someone could just do a million requests with curl to that tracker gif
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<whitequark> injekt: hi
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<andrewvos> why have you changed you name ljarvis?
<andrewvos> Heh, twitter added zenspider to my "people I have met" list. Pretty sure I haven't met zenspider
<andrewvos> Although it is right next to the ruby-lang list
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<hagabaka> I have a list of numbers which are between 0 and 31, and they are actually "digits" of a base 32 number, so each number should be expanded into 5 bits of a bit string. Then I want to be able to find values from bit x to bit y from that bit string. What is a library that could help me do that easily?
<ljarvis> andrewvos: because inkjet is no longer
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<apeiros> ljarvis: whaaaat?!?
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<apeiros> hagabaka: should be easy enough to do in core ruby
<andrewvos> ljarvis: Why is this?
<andrewvos> Man I started writing a blog post "Go for Rubyists". Basically I wanted to write down all the things that you might need to know going from ruby to go
<andrewvos> I am seriously not cut out for writing
<andrewvos> And also, there's so much stuff I would have to write
<andrewvos> And I'm not sure it's even a useful thing to do
<andrewvos> Like, the tour of Go is enough really
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<ljarvis> apeiros: srsly
<ljarvis> andrewvos: it's been a long time coming but actually had time to move things around this week
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<andrewvos> What, like /nick ljarvis was such hard work :)
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<andrewvos> But it's cool now you remind me of the computer in Iron Man
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<banisterfiend> .
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<ljarvis> andrewvos: no, but github.com/injekt
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<andrewvos> oh cool
<andrewvos> Your projects have been redirected :)
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<dbcclarke> Hey Can someone help me with inserting a jgPLOT on my page in my ruby on rails app?
<apeiros> dbcclarke: rails is #rubyonrails
<dbcclarke> I can't connect to that for some reason
<apeiros> you probably have to be registered
<apeiros> (on freenode)
<yorickpeterse> apeiros: same applies for this channel
<apeiros> orly?
<apeiros> dinnaeknodad
<apeiros> well, I can connect to #rubyonrails :)
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<dbcclarke> ya im registered
<dbcclarke> Anyways do you know anything about jqPLOTTING?
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<apeiros> dbcclarke: "for some reason" - seems you're banned
<apeiros> |>> #RubyOnRails *!*@*98.224.223.37
<dbcclarke> apieros: Why is that? I just emailed support@freenode.net
<banisterfiend> dbcclarke: maybe you annoywed someone on #rubyonrails, they're reasonably ban-happy iirc
<apeiros> my nick ain't apieros. and I wouldn't know. I wasn't there at that time.
<banisterfiend> so is #haskell, i'm banned there for asking too many times what a monad was ;)
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<dbcclarke> banisterfiend: haha
<dbcclarke> Ok so what is the best channel to ask about a jqplot?
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<ljarvis> andrewvos: yeah, weird it does the projects but not the username
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<dbcclarke> banisterfiend: How does a person go about becoming unbanned?
<banisterfiend> dbcclarke: msg an op, i think radar is one
<banisterfiend> dont know of any others, sorry
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<dbcclarke> thanks
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<xuser> why does some kernel methods have capitals letters? ;)
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<whitequark> type conversion
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<yorickpeterse> tbh I never got why you have to use Integer() in some cases opposed to #to_i (design wise)
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<whitequark> >> Integer("fuck")
<eval-in> whitequark => invalid value for Integer(): "fuck" (ArgumentError) ... (https://eval.in/40435)
<whitequark> >> "fuck".to_i
<eval-in> whitequark => 0 (https://eval.in/40436)
<yorickpeterse> You could still do that in the definition of #to_i
<xuser> whitequark: yeah, but it seems to go against ruby conventions (Capital letter for constants)
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<yorickpeterse> To me it kinda resembles how Python has len() instead of some_object.length()
<yorickpeterse> (as a standard that is)
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<banisterfiend> xuser: core as well as some 3rd party libraries often use methods with capitals to fake constructors
<banisterfiend> i think nokogiri uses that too
<banisterfiend> we use that in pry in some places too, i.e Pry::Method(method_object)
<banisterfiend> it's not essential but it is kinda cute
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<xuser> banisterfiend: I see, was intrigued why they break the lower case names for methods
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<banisterfiend> xuser: it's rare, only times i've seen it is in the 'fake constructor' thing i told u about before
<xuser> banisterfiend: first time I heard about Pry, does it offers a REPL like the scheme/lisp?
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<xuser> +ones
<banisterfiend> xuser: possibly, i haven't played much with scheme though
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<yorickpeterse> offtopic question: is there a way to get Vim bindings in Bash/some-other-shell (*not* Vi bindings)
<yorickpeterse> I really miss `ciw` for example
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<xuser> banisterfiend: well, you have a repl on while you develop so you can test methods/function live
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<banisterfiend> xuser: yeah, but you dont just have to test stuff in pry, you can change the methods/classes and the changes persist
<banisterfiend> i actually used pry to develop a large amount of the last releast, in particular with an exception/trap/fix cycle
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: so I had this idea just now
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: I want to write a language that generates LLVM IR, then use Emscripten to generate JS from it
<yorickpeterse> then run that
<yorickpeterse> Yak shaving all the way
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<futile> [crossposting from ##ruby]
<futile> why doesn't this show the exception until after the program exits fully?
<futile> t = Thread.new {loop{}}
<futile> at_exit {t.join}
<futile> 1 / 0
<erikh> t.join will raise any exception raised by the thread
<erikh> ri Thread#join
<futile> the exception is happening on the main thread
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<futile> should i end the program with the mainthread.join?
<futile> hmm
<erikh> where is the exception?
<erikh> I don't see it in that code
<futile> 1 / 0
<erikh> oh.
<apeiros> futile: you're like the only person in ##ruby
<erikh> heh
<futile> oops.
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<erikh> apeiros: is #ruby the official channel now?
<apeiros> erikh: I wouldn't know. last I checked, ruby-lang.org mentioned #ruby-lang
<apeiros> but that was about 5y ago
<apeiros> but #ruby has out-grown #ruby-lang quite a bit
<futile> better question: how can i make exceptions on the main thread show up (or catch them) after an at_exit handler has joined a background thread?
<erikh> ah
<erikh> I can't replicate your failure case
<erikh> I still get the exception
<erikh> oh
<futile> before you ctr--c?
<futile> *ctorl-c
<futile> er you know what i mean
<erikh> yep I see both exceptions
<futile> what do you mean both exceptions? there's only one, its on the main thrad.
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<futile> erikh: you see two exceptions?
<futile> LOL
<futile> the second gist just links to a third gist
<erikh> oh lol
<futile> which is identical to the first
<futile> :D
<erikh> haha
<erikh> whoops!
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<futile> heres the simplest test case to reproduce:
<futile> t = Thread.new {loop{}}; at_exit {t.join}; raise Exception.new
<erikh> there ya go
<futile> erikh: the background thread loops forever. the foreground thread throws exception. but it doesnt show up until you ctrl-c the app
<erikh> yes, because the at_exit joins the loop
<futile> i dont get it
<futile> oh.
<erikh> so, as you can see, you get the Interrupt exception which is not rescued, and the divide by zero exception
<futile> so i have to catch the exceptions inside the loop?
<erikh> t.join raises any exceptions raised in the thread.
<futile> hmm.
<erikh> ri Thread.join or Thread.value
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<futile> erikh: so then on a more practical level, modifying your test case, how do you get exceptions on the main thread to show up before doing ctrl-c?
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<erikh> don't put them in at_exit
<futile> ok.
<erikh> like, avoid at_exit like the plague
<futile> ah
<erikh> you should in general -- unless you're doing super emergency shit-hit-the-fan cleanup it's a code smell
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<futile> erikh: thanks that fixes the problem
<futile> :)
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<erikh> cool beans man
<erikh> enjoy
<futile> u2
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<apeiros> erikh: so what are you up to nowadays?
<erikh> apeiros: working like a dog
<erikh> you?
<apeiros> I've never seen a dog work :D
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<erikh> haa
<apeiros> crazy lot of work for the last 3 weeks too. been (and still are) enjoying a 4 day week-end atm, though.
<erikh> yeah, I had to do that last week
<erikh> finally begged for some relief
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<erikh> our ops team is down to one here -- I'll refrain from talking about it further than that, but let's just say there's a lot on my plate
<apeiros> :-/
<apeiros> we have once again a set deadline without business actually knowing what they want
<apeiros> it's awesome
<erikh> ugh. I hate that.
<erikh> this is one of those niceties about being in ops
<apeiros> and the deadline is in like 6 weeks and we work with 4 partner companies in this one.
<erikh> your customers are effectively the devs and technical management
<apeiros> I mean, if it was only *us*, okay…
<erikh> oh my
<apeiros> (even then not okay, but at least somewhat manageable)
<erikh> yeah, you.. are in a pile
<apeiros> funny thing is - all the problems I've isolated so far have NOT been of a technical nature
<apeiros> only processes and "what do you want?"
<erikh> have you raised any concerns with management?
<apeiros> NB: business has been working on this for ~1.5y. they're still reworking the most basic things…
<erikh> 'cause, 6 weeks sounds short for just about anything
<apeiros> sure
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<henrikhodne> When submitting a doc change to Ruby, can I just put "trunk" or something for `ruby -v`?
<henrikhodne> Or do I have to compile it and figure out what the output actually is?
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