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<RickHull1>
heftig, erikh thanks, got distracted
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<zzak>
america
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<onewheelskyward>
merica
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<wh1t3l10n>
Guys, I'm getting "#<Movie:0x102b26620>" at the end of the output, please tell me what I'm doing wrong: http://pastebin.com/w3gZK0jY
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<RickHull1>
indentation, but no big deal
<RickHull1>
don't call puts inside to_s
<RickHull1>
generally, don't call puts inside a class or module. with notable exceptions, class or module code should generate output, and let the caller decide what do with it
<RickHull1>
for thumbs_up, you probably want @rating += 1
<RickHull1>
right now, you're either doubling it or zeroing it.
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<wh1t3l10n>
RickHull1: Thank you so much! Yes, yes, it should be +=1, my fault. problem solved!
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<RickHull1>
are you familiar with ruby's indentation conventions?
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<RickHull1>
if you indent correctly, it's like magic. people who look at your code are more motivated to help
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<wh1t3l10n>
RickHull1: I'm using Sublime Text and it automatically set margins. but your tips regarding that will be appreciated :) Can you correct me please, what is proper formatting for Ruby? :)
<whitequark>
two spaces
<RickHull1>
i don't have anything handy, but sublime text should have a "ruby mode" of some sort. and yeah, 2 spaces
<whitequark>
indent before def, class, module, after begin, do, {
<whitequark>
also google for "github ruby style guide", it's good.
<whitequark>
RickHull1: it has a rudimentary ruby mode, yeah
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<wh1t3l10n>
whitequark: Sure, thank you for the tips!
<RickHull1>
maybe something better via plugin?
<whitequark>
RickHull1: I don't think so
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<whitequark>
besides, it's largely sufficient if you can spare 1% of your brainpower for proper styling
<wh1t3l10n>
RickHull1: Yes, that is what I'm reading now. You guys are amazing, thank you!
<RickHull1>
yeah, it is really good
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<RickHull1>
also they go my way in nearly every ambiguous spot xD
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<RickHull1>
oh noes, my heart kind of likes JSON hash literals
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<erikh>
ha
<erikh>
oh
<erikh>
you
<erikh>
patooie
<erikh>
fat comma fo life yo
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<RickHull1>
makes sense as the underlying. i don't mind the JSON syntax because most defined (rather than assembled, say) hashes should probably have symbol keys, and it really makes keyword args go away. i'd venture more than 50% of the the defined hashes in a large enough sample of source code (project-sized?) are defined only for the sake of being passed as the nth argument to a method
<erikh>
well
<erikh>
there are times when you want... garbage collection to happen....
<erikh>
or you want something like a hash keyed by integers
<erikh>
dunno. it's jarring because it's a different syntax for the same thing.
<RickHull1>
agreed on all points
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<whitequark>
RickHull1: you can use parser to compute that number for your code (or rails gem!) :)
<whitequark>
talking about hashes... I bet it's technically possible to just replace fat comma with :, ie, { "foo": "bar" }
<whitequark>
but we still need compat
<RickHull1>
yeah, is that really plausible?
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<whitequark>
hm?
<RickHull1>
Ruby 3.0, no more fat comma?
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<whitequark>
compat
<whitequark>
matz has burned himself with 1.9 already; he's not going to repeat the same mistake twice
<whitequark>
which unfortunately means that we're stuck with warts of 2.0 for decades
<RickHull1>
what mistakes?
<whitequark>
in 1.9 encoding was a huge pain point for migration, for example
<whitequark>
a major goal for 2.0 was "no backwards-incompatible changes *at all*"
<RickHull1>
right
<whitequark>
well, it sort of worked--2.0 migration is relatively painless--but it's also sad
<whitequark>
2.1 breaks some Cexts, but that's minor
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<RickHull1>
that's my personal theme lately, how to ease compatibility and enable fresh paths forward.
<whitequark>
get it right the first time.
<RickHull1>
and it's really hard, feels like an intractable tipping point
<whitequark>
there's really no other way. look at C#. it's stuck with all the idiotic decisions they admitted they made in 1.0
<whitequark>
and it will likely be stuck with them forever
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<RickHull1>
it doesn't seem, logically, all that hard to say, ok guys, D#. but of course you have to migrate ecosystems
<whitequark>
"get it right the first time" was an advice from Eric Lippert, who co-designed C# :)
<RickHull1>
i totally agree, but we don't always have that luxury, as engineers
<whitequark>
well, it's easier for .net, because they have a shared platform. but developing that shared platform is an immense investment
<whitequark>
well, how do I say... if you can't do that, don't design languages.
<whitequark>
or better: if you're not really, really sure that feature X will work really, really well, omit it until you are.
<whitequark>
once it's in, it's not going out.
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<RickHull1>
not without a fight. a bloody squabble with thorns and venom
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<whitequark>
if you have big commercial users, it'll just be kept forever
<whitequark>
that's how it works.
<RickHull1>
shouldn't be too hard, theoretically, to "ice" your app on a PaaS
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<RickHull1>
apps, heh. languages
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<whitequark>
have you tried telling a customer that they totally, absolutely should rewrite their 10MLOC of shit written by underpaid chinese interns because you think a feature is harmful for language clarity in long term?
<rue>
Black ice, black ice!
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<RickHull1>
ok, so how do you excise a big chunk of bad legacy? right now, i am setting the bar high and saying the new impl has to support the old calls first, then you switch the impls, then you move the old calls, then the new impl can stop answering the old calls. it's kind of a lockstep discipline that induces a lot of extra effort, much of which feels unnecessary
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<RickHull1>
you also risk infecting/crippling the "new" design
<whitequark>
that's pretty much the only way
<whitequark>
if you're lucky, you can switch old features on/off with module granularity.
<whitequark>
but your language gotta be good enough for that... statically compiled stuff usually can do it, dynamic stuff not so much
<whitequark>
you can switch syntax on/off with file granularity, but that only works for syntax
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<yorickpeterse>
morning
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<yorickpeterse>
lets start the day with a rant
<yorickpeterse>
Why the fuck does Rails generate such worthless default tests?
<yorickpeterse>
# write your tests here
<yorickpeterse>
might as well not do that at all
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<xybre>
IF it wrote the tests for you, then your boss could pay you less, and you wouldn't want that.
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<yorickpeterse>
I don't get paid to just write tests
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<gnufied>
my spec suite after parallelizing the hell out still takes 30 minutes
<gnufied>
:(
<gnufied>
well 30 is upper limit. but anywheere between 18 to 30
<yorickpeterse>
is it actually justified to run it that long?
<yorickpeterse>
as in, does it make sense or is it just "herp derp clean DBs everywhere"
<erikh>
ljarvis: you see sqwiggle yet?
<erikh>
probably'd be pretty awesome for your team
<gnufied>
is sqwiggle a person or a progogram?
<erikh>
program
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<erikh>
it's a group video things
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<gnufied>
yorickpeterse: it doesn't make sense and could be refactored but it is 5 year old.
<yorickpeterse>
god knows how many times I've had to fix this test suite over and over again
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<ljarvis>
D:
<ljarvis>
maloik: A bit concerned I still haven't heard from that hotel
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<KU0N>
I need to be able to define a query expression like so {"name": {"start_with": "jon"}} that I can match later on a data hash. The query is user input, so it must be validated and cannot me a proc. I need complete support for "and, or, custom operators, custom functions...". Before I start writing my own implementation from scratch I was wondering if something similar existed.
<maloik>
ljarvis: can you mail me the TL;DR ? I'll give them a call
<ljarvis>
maloik: sure thanks!
<maloik>
hannes@openminds.be
<yorickpeterse>
> run bundle update selenium-webdriver, updates some random gems
<yorickpeterse>
> run bundle update capybara, updates some other random gems
<yorickpeterse>
SRSLY
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<maloik>
ljarvis: were you planning on coming out for a drink before heading to the hotel, or do you expect to be too tored or just not in the mood ?
<maloik>
s/tored/tired
<maloik>
(so I know if I should suggest picking up the key for you guys myself)
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<maloik>
venue is in between, roughly, and not too far from the hotel so a round trip to leave your bags behind isn't THAT much of a big deal but still
<ljarvis>
maloik: we'll probably be up for a drink first
<ljarvis>
but if we're pooped i can just come to wherever you are and pick up the keys anyway
<maloik>
ok, I'll get back to you
<maloik>
if I cant reach them tonight it'll probably be early next week, as I'm leaving for baruco tomorrow
<ljarvis>
no rush :) appreciate it
<yorickpeterse>
might not be good for their online reputation, yuck yuck yuck
* yorickpeterse
wonders if people would get that amazingly lame pun
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<yorickpeterse>
Sometimes I hate being small
<yorickpeterse>
can't join the hacked standing desk rage here (even though I was one of the first to opt in) because the little tables we use are too tall
<yorickpeterse>
and I cbf sawing the paws off partially
<maloik>
what's hacked about them ?
<yorickpeterse>
basically we use those small desk thingies on top of our regular desks
<yorickpeterse>
and we taped some extra bits on it for keyboards
<yorickpeterse>
The message contains the URL so unless Jenkins validates the project name I could probably inject XML there and be an asshole co-worker
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<dingus_khan>
hey, I know this is just a ruby channel, but the rails people are out to lunch, and I was wondering if anyone here has gotten devise to work with the omniauth identity strategy?
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<nofxx>
dingus_khan: works nicely... but you'll find more help on #rubyonrails than here
<nofxx>
or is it #rails ?
<dingus_khan>
ruby on rails, but yeah, nobody is answering ... :/
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