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hey all, in the thick of implementing a ruby gem which offers a simple flat-file datastore
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would anyone mind looking over it for me pointing out any gotchas?
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briangonzalez: reinventing the wheel?
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banisterfiend: we need to catch up. not tonight, i'm heading home. are you US-based for now?
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rickhull: yea, haha
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I was looking for something that could handle static web content
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note that dotcfg will handle any "arbitrary" DS composed of hashes, arrays, and scalars
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building out a CMS for some clients, and wanted an easy way to read/write static content
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i'm sure there are smarter impls. i think of dotcfg as literally the simplest thing that could possibly work
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dotcfg looks cool. I want our non-tech savvy clients to be able to edit content, I could only imagine them digging through arrays and hashes
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briangonzalez: i gotta head home. but Cabi seems to have a lot of assumptions that dotcfg doesn't.
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i wonder if you woudn't layer those assumptions (policy) on a smaller lib that provides the mechanism (like dotcfg)
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yea, perhaps. doesn't seem dotcfg's aim was to handle large amounts of text though
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more so application config...
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dotcfg in particular, no. it works in the small
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I'll be working with 1-500 lines of HTML / JS / CSS
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i guarantee you there is a project similar to dotcfg that does the hard work, with the bugs worked out
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that you could layer on top of
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1-500 lines should be no problem for something like dotcfg
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(i imagine)
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i figure it gets hairy in the 5k-50k range
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I actually looked quite a bit. I think the pragmatic approach would be to setup ActiveRecord with Postgres like Rails, but seems like overkill for my purposes.
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sounds super heavy
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rickhull: yea
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though if it's like 5 clicks and 15 minutes to set up, sure
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or vice versa
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I don't mind the setup, I don't like having to manage another service running on my vpn
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if you don't want another service
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take a look at sqlite3 vs postgres
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sqlite model is provide libs, and a data file on the FS
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no server, no daemon, no 3rd party credentials
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I've used sqlite3 in the past, but I know that it's frowned upon to check .sqlite files into git
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uh, you probably don't want to check any data files into git
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why's that?
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short answer:
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git is for code, and your code should operate upon any reasonable data
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that said, a lot of projects i have, include a data/ dir
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but they definitely do not have blahblah.db (jenkins db file)
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rickhull: point taken, thanks :)
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i.e. your project should be able to repopulate its db
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say i check out your project, and i've got a local db for it to hit
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i don't want to spend 14 hours downloading your data
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i just want the code, and i'll populate my local db based on the code, and my data env
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my data env is surely != your data env
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what if you know you're data will consume a neglible amount of disk space
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i would provide it in the form of human-readable records in a file
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e.g. CSV or something, some starter data
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inside your data/ dir
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and provide a method to populate the operational db with the starter data
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right, I like the idea of passing around the data tho for such a small project as one I am about to partake in
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sure, if the data is integral to the proj, put it in the proj repo
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total data will be < 10mb
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but if the data is specific to the env the proj is run in, then the proj should not include the data
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the data is the site's content
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yeah, you should provide it in the most accessible format, mod reasonable disk space
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or perhaps vice versa
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think blog / small website for an enginerring firm
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don't encode your critical site data in an opaque DB format
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rickhull: agreed
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put your critical starter site data in a human readable file
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and provide an executable to import / populate your opaque DB format with the transparent data file
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the gem I just built leaves all data in their native file formats (html is in an html file, etc.)
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do you think an opaque DB format is always necessary?
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no, typically a necessary evil
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erikh >
dat performance
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i would consider the sqlite format to be "opaque" but of course open source
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so extractable
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but it's not the same as e.g. CSV records
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erikh >
dat performance
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erikh >
don' tmind me, i'm drunk
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i'm getting there
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erikh >
popping a red bull atm to offset it
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erikh: would you include a sqlite .db file in a repo, generally?
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erikh >
done being blotto for a while
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erikh >
I'd generate it from something
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even if your project has a static set of starting data?
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arch issues
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btw, y, totally agreed
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generate it from a more primitive/accessible format
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erikh >
yep, csv would be good
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erikh >
or json or w/e
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i lean more towards tsv these days
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tsv's easy to parse, sure
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but yeah, i say csv like i mean "snowboard" when i say "ski"
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tsv is nice because who has embedded tabs?
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embedded commas, sure
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I honestly prefer json these days
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alright guys, I need to sleep!
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just because it's a) typed and b) usually doesn't have these kinds of problems
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briangonzalez: night.
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erikh: night
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the only real gotcha with json is utf8 strings
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rickhull: night
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not the greatest for binary data.
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cheers, i'm out, myself
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pedaling down market towards turk ;)
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yorickpeterse >
morning
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yorickpeterse >
andrewvos: oh yeah I forgot, if you run Linux on a MBP expect the temp to randomly skyrocket and fans to crank up (e.g. 95C)
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yorickpeterse >
the fix is to suspend/wake-up, lol
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lianj >
yorickpeterse: or get a fixed kernel
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andrewvos >
yorickpeterse: You have got to be kidding me
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* andrewvos
throws all computers in the ocean it is over we have failed
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yorickpeterse >
lianj: yeah tell that to the past 5 kernel releases
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yorickpeterse >
andrewvos: nope
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lianj >
andrewvos: nah its a known power regression bug
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yorickpeterse >
though it only happens rarely now (e.g. this morning)
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lianj >
yorickpeterse: also, happens to x220's to because its the same hardware config
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yorickpeterse >
lianj: I'm on Linux 3.10, this has been happening ever since around 3.6
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yorickpeterse >
if not before
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lianj >
yorickpeterse: arch?
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yorickpeterse >
Yes
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lianj >
apart from earlier kernel patches to fix which shouldn't be needed anymore… don't use laptop-mode-tools. solved it for me.
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yorickpeterse >
I don't use it
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yorickpeterse >
oh wait, I do on this macbook apparently
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yorickpeterse >
though I wonder if I have it enabled
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lianj >
its running at 525mha when idle, even lower than 3.4 kernels
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yorickpeterse >
hm yeah, enabled
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andrewvos >
yorickpeterse: I'ma wait till some new haswell ultrabooks come out and then buy one I guess
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andrewvos >
ljarvis: heya!
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ljarvis >
andrewvos: hai
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andrewvos >
ljarvis: I don't mean to be british and all but hows this fuckgin weather ay?
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andrewvos >
I just got back from Thailand and England was just grey as could be
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andrewvos >
Possibly the greyest
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ljarvis >
yeah it's bollocks
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andrewvos >
bollocks
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ljarvis >
im heading to belgium soon, hoping it's nice there
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andrewvos >
good luck with that
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yorickpeterse >
Twitter::Error::ServiceUnavailable: (__-){ Twitter is over capacity.
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yorickpeterse >
LOL
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ljarvis >
andrewvos: :(
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yorickpeterse >
also what the fuck is that for an error
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ljarvis >
andrewvos: that's okay im at arrrcamp so will be inside most the time anyway
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andrewvos >
yorickpeterse: Twitter hates developers
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andrewvos >
ljarvis: Oh cool, is that like some pirate meetup?
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ljarvis >
andrewvos: precisely, a pirate ruby conf
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yorickpeterse >
yeah it's where they plunder the local village
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yorickpeterse >
ARRRR RUBY GIMME YER MONEY M8 ARRR
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* yorickpeterse
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andrewvos >
god damnit my girlfriend is meeeting David Attenborough this weekend ffs
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andrewvos >
I want him to be my friend :(
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andrewvos >
err weekend = week
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ljarvis >
that would be so awesome
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yorickpeterse >
cross-dress as your girlfriend, lock her up in the bathroom and go yourself
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yorickpeterse >
I also have no idea who this david is
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yorickpeterse >
oh that guy
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andrewvos >
yorickpeterse: You don't ...
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andrewvos >
yorickpeterse: Oh ok
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andrewvos >
You redeemed yourself there
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andrewvos >
He is a god
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ljarvis >
NO HE DID NOT
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ljarvis >
oh no you di'nt
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ljarvis >
andrewvos: why is she meeting him?
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yorickpeterse >
hey at least I know who Steve Fry is
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yorickpeterse >
(pun intended)
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andrewvos >
ljarvis: Erm she's a producer for a tv company and she works in the area where all the celebrities are
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ljarvis >
Stephen fry is the only person I'd like to meet more than sir david
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andrewvos >
ljarvis: She might be interviewing him or something I dunno
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ljarvis >
andrewvos: nice!
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andrewvos >
I don't really ask. I have no interest in celebrities other than David, and now that yo mention it Fry is pretty cool
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yorickpeterse >
I wouldn't mind meeting Elon Musk
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yorickpeterse >
Tony Stark would also do
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andrewvos >
yorickpeterse: You and him could ride segways together! <3 <3
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ljarvis >
yorickpeterse: do you know german?
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ljarvis >
any german*
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yorickpeterse >
ljarvis: I can understand it if people talk at a moderate pace
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yorickpeterse >
Can't speak it anymore though
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andrewvos >
yorickpeterse: Is it like dutch?
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andrewvos >
yorickpeterse: I always thought I would be able to understand German but I can't at all
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andrewvos >
yorickpeterse: Dutch is a lot easier though
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yorickpeterse >
it can be similar but also very different
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yorickpeterse >
Dutch is based on Germanic but the two have changed quite a bit
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andrewvos >
German girls are pretty
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yorickpeterse >
It's a bit similar to Dutch and Zuid Afrikaans
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yorickpeterse >
though the latter is a peasant language :>
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lianj >
i guess dutch is easier if you know english because it feels like german and english mixed up a bit
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andrewvos >
yorickpeterse: Would you know what aangenaamdekennis means?
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yorickpeterse >
lianj: it's not
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yorickpeterse >
andrewvos: I presume "Nice to meet you"
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andrewvos >
is it the same in Dutch?
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lianj >
yorickpeterse: from a german view it feels like it :D
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yorickpeterse >
since in Dutch it would be "Aangenaam kennis met u te maken"
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andrewvos >
Ahh ok so it's significantly shortened
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<
andrewvos >
Lazy south africans
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yorickpeterse >
yeah it's Dutch from the 1600s or something
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yorickpeterse >
basically when we figured that after poaching and enslaving everything it kinda got boring so we left
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yorickpeterse >
(Dutch history is pretty fucked up in that regard)
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yorickpeterse >
basically we went from My Little Rome to a shithole
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andrewvos >
"Let's go home and make windmills guys, this shit is getting old"
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yorickpeterse >
more like "Lets enslave Indonesia"
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andrewvos >
that old chestnut
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yorickpeterse >
heh, that reminds me of the saying "VOC mentaliteit"
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<
andrewvos >
is VOC the DEIC?
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yorickpeterse >
HAHA, it's even on Wikipedia
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yorickpeterse >
but in Dutch only
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<
yorickpeterse >
VOC was our "Big ships, slaves everywhere" trading company
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yorickpeterse >
tl;dr prime minister used it to promote good trading and all that, everybody else got angry because it also promoted slavery and shit
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andrewvos >
ISn't that Dutch East India Company?
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yorickpeterse >
Yeah
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yorickpeterse >
errr wait
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<
yorickpeterse >
ah yeah
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<
yorickpeterse >
different name in English
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andrewvos >
I think they made south africa
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<
yorickpeterse >
we did
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andrewvos >
I'm not a history kind of person
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<
andrewvos >
But I think that's the one
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yorickpeterse >
We made you, give us more money!
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<
andrewvos >
Yeah we don't really have that sorry
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yorickpeterse >
haha I know
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yorickpeterse >
I wonder how that lake-underneath-kenya thing will pan out
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andrewvos >
wassat?
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yorickpeterse >
A bunch of researchers or something found this gigantic lake of water a few hundred meters below the surface in Kenya
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yorickpeterse >
Enough to supply the country with water for 70 years or so
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yorickpeterse >
wtf, I can't find this on the Beeb
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erikh >
made this tonight
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yorickpeterse >
MODEL VIEW CONTROLLER?
10:15
<
yorickpeterse >
MORE LIKE....VIEW EVERYTHING
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* yorickpeterse
grumbles
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erikh >
when do you not gripe
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erikh >
I mean from like midnight - 4am it's just the yorick bitching :P
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yorickpeterse >
I could probably start a TV show
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erikh >
you're presuming people want to watch this
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yorickpeterse >
They said the same about many other shows
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yorickpeterse >
e.g. The Kardashi-something is pretty popular apparently
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yorickpeterse >
YAY crisis averted, all is good
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yorickpeterse >
somewhat worrying that users didn't notice this before, even more that we didn't
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/join #yorick-bitching-about-things
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andrewvos >
I would watch a tv show where linus/zed shaw bitches about things
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erikh >
yeah, I'd watch that.
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andrewvos >
Because it would be like watching a car accident
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andrewvos >
Can't look away
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erikh >
both of them bitching at each other
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andrewvos >
Kickstarter!
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andrewvos >
next big thing
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erikh >
bigger than outa
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yorickpeterse >
Angry Nerd Beatdown
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gnufied >
well, there is no zedshaw
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erikh >
oh that's some old school shit right there
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yorickpeterse >
gnufied: HAHA
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<
gnufied >
john leach of Brightbox (with whom I work) used to create those long back
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<
gnufied >
they are awesome.
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<
whitequark >
kke: that's how ruby works.
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<
yorickpeterse >
oh yeah
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<
yorickpeterse >
it does a pre-scan for locals (sort of)
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<
erikh >
scope is weird in ruby
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<
erikh >
well, interpreting it
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<
erikh >
and nil.inspect is still legit
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<
gnufied >
the parser introduces those locals as it encounters them
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<
whitequark >
as to
_why_ it was designed to work this way: a few things in ruby depend on whether a certain identifier is a local or a method
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<
whitequark >
for example a[1]
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<
whitequark >
if a is a local, that's a.[](1)
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<
whitequark >
if a is a method, that's a([1])
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<
erikh >
haha really?
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<
ljarvis >
isn't it a()[1]
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<
erikh >
I figured you'd need a space at least
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<
erikh >
also what inkjet said
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<
whitequark >
>> def a(*args); { 1 => args }; end; a[1]
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* whitequark
scratches his head
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* ljarvis
scratches whitequark's head
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<
whitequark >
right, space
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* yorickpeterse
scratches ljarvis's head
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<
whitequark >
>> def a(*args); { 1 => args }; end; a [1]
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<
yorickpeterse >
ook ook
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<
erikh >
get a room you three
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<
ljarvis >
whitequark: right
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<
whitequark >
>> a = {1=>2}; a [1]
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<
ljarvis >
so its a()[1]
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<
whitequark >
ljarvis: without space it's a()[1], with space it's what I said
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<
ljarvis >
to the derpin
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<
whitequark >
dumb feature.
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<
erikh >
yeah, the latter case of a [1] is pretty retarded
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<
erikh >
but so is "foo" "bar"
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<
erikh >
>> "foo" "bar"
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<
whitequark >
it was such a gigantic pita to implement location tracking for that in parser
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erikh >
kke: hopefully somewhere in this mess you've come to understand the problem
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<
yorickpeterse >
erikh: we have
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<
yorickpeterse >
it's called #ruby-lang :>
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<
ljarvis >
>> 1.-->x{x}.(1)
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<
ljarvis >
>> 1.--->x{x}.(1)
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<
erikh >
1 * 8======D
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<
erikh >
>>1 * 8======D
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<
erikh >
oh f you ruby
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<
erikh >
ruby wants the D
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* erikh
is a horrible person
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<
ljarvis >
>> 1 * 8==?D
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<
erikh >
yeah but that's not funny
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<
whitequark >
it's no longer than 8===D
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<
whitequark >
>> :-O
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ljarvis >
i still enjoy a good old ternary-?? combination
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<
eval-in >
whitequark => /tmp/execpad-7f9c9750ffb4/source-7f9c9750ffb4:2: syntax error, unexpected tCONSTANT, expecting keyword_end (
https://eval.in/48957)
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<
erikh >
I will get ruby to accept an unmangled ascii penis
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<
ljarvis >
>> !?<==0
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<
eval-in >
ljarvis => /tmp/execpad-08d631b152de/source-08d631b152de:2: warning: string literal in condition ... (
https://eval.in/48960)
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<
yorickpeterse >
>> def I3==D; end
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<
eval-in >
yorickpeterse => /tmp/execpad-bddffbfd931f/source-bddffbfd931f:2: syntax error, unexpected ==, expecting ';' or '\n' ... (
https://eval.in/48961)
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<
yorickpeterse >
wat
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<
yorickpeterse >
fuckit
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<
yorickpeterse >
>> self.class.define_method '3==>' do; end
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<
yorickpeterse >
PFFFF
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<
ljarvis >
good enough
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<
gnufied >
now where is the guy who started this discussion!
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<
erikh >
he vanished
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<
erikh >
we scared him off.
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<
ljarvis >
lianj: did that already
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<
gnufied >
8>>8==>:D
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<
whitequark >
stop it already
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<
erikh >
that's not bad
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<
lianj >
ljarvis: can't follow the backlog while looking out the window for the delivery guy :|
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<
ljarvis >
ur not bad
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<
ljarvis >
lianj: :D
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eval-in >
erikh => /tmp/execpad-33f7914796b8/source-33f7914796b8:2: syntax error, unexpected ':', expecting keyword_end ... (
https://eval.in/48969)
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<
erikh >
ok, I think it's nearing my bedtime
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<
erikh >
vacation rules.
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ljarvis >
>> [:D=>:D]
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<
ljarvis >
i never liked that
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ljarvis >
you catch it at runtime
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ngw >
consider having many classes inside that Foo namespace, and wanting to trap all exceptions (or just some) in a generic way and in only one place
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ngw >
ljarvis you mean that I have to wrap Foo::Bar.new in a begin block and do it like that?
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ljarvis >
ngw: yes or rescue them in the initializer
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<
ljarvis >
depending on what you're doing, the fake code doesn't help
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<
Darkchaos >
hello guys, when I want my net.http to implement cookies, I need to check the res['set-cookie'] everytime and repost them to the server on every request?
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<
darix >
Darkchaos: use mechanize
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<
ljarvis >
(or use http-cookie which was built for us to use in mechanize)
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<
Darkchaos >
is mechanize 1.8.7 compatible?
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darix >
Darkchaos: yes
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<
ljarvis >
yeah but not for much longer
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<
darix >
that ruby 1.8.7 mobbing all the time
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<
lianj >
what is that 1.8 people are talking about?
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zzak >
good morning!
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<
yorickpeterse >
lol 1.8
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<
andrewvos >
sigh /Users/andrewvos/.rubies/1.9.3-p194/lib/ruby/1.9.1/csv.rb:1855:in `sub!': invalid byte sequence in UTF-8 (ArgumentError)
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<
andrewvos >
How does encoding work again?
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maloik >
# encoding: utf-8
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<
maloik >
I believe?
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<
maloik >
or is that not what you mean
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<
andrewvos >
I'm reading a CSV file that is pretty fucked
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<
andrewvos >
It's comma seperated, but it has some sort of ^M character line seperators
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<
whitequark >
that's \r
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<
whitequark >
windows line endings
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<
andrewvos >
whitequark: Oh yeah I wish
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<
andrewvos >
How do I tell what character I'm looking at in vim?
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<
andrewvos >
Or how do I read this monstrosity?
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* yorickpeterse
wrote a class called KockedSubscription, woops
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<
yorickpeterse >
It was supposed to be Mocked
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<
gnufied >
wtf Activercord!
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<
gnufied >
Interface.joins(:server).merge(Server.finished) => Association named 'account' was not found; perhaps you misspelled it?
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<
gnufied >
Interface.joins(:server).where("servers.status" => ["deleted", "failed"]) => works
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<
gnufied >
both generate same query
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<
gnufied >
merge is weird shit
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<
gnufied >
has anyone seen this?
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darix >
gnufied: without knowing the code it is hard to say
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<
gnufied >
Server has : belongs_to :account
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<
darix >
i assume Server.finished is a named scope with servers.status => ["finished"]
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<
gnufied >
and account has: has_many :servers
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<
gnufied >
darix: server.status in ("finished", "failed")
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<
gnufied >
scope :finished, where(:status => finished_states)
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<
gnufied >
it is quite straightforward the way I see it.
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<
gnufied >
charliesome: are you in ruby-core yet?
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<
charliesome >
gnufied: yep
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<
charliesome >
i've had commit since december last year
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<
gnufied >
glad to hear buddy
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<
andrewvos >
gnufied: He just asked for it, and it seemed to work
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<
gnufied >
I don't understand
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<
andrewvos >
Naturally yorickpeterse complained ;)
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<
yorickpeterse >
que?
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<
yorickpeterse >
oh heh that one
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<
gnufied >
I vote in favour of leaving that topic alone,
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<
yorickpeterse >
oh no you won't
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<
yorickpeterse >
don't make me get my whip
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<
yorickpeterse >
well that worked
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* yorickpeterse
notes down "gnufied doesn't like whips"
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<
yorickpeterse >
dayum, Redis be fast yo
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<
yorickpeterse >
(pubsub to be exact)
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andrewvos >
it's pretty cool
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<
yorickpeterse >
so I basically just wrote YAML-as-a-service-using-JSON
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<
yorickpeterse >
and Redis
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<
yorickpeterse >
I should probably add MongoDB too
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andrewvos >
with multiple shards
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yorickpeterse >
sharding is for scrubs
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zzak >
yorickpeterse: going to arrrcamp?
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zzak >
only 3 weeks away!
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Darkchaos >
is there a really easy way of keeping cookies in net http? like using a hashtable for cookie-set and cookie-unset
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eam >
how do I could bytes in a string (vs characters?)
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eam >
oh, .bytes.length
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mistym >
eam: The #bytesize() method
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darix >
mistym: bitesize?
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mistym >
darix: Snack#bitesize is a very important method
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drbrain >
does anyone else get a certificate failure for bugs.ruby-lang.org?
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drbrain >
hrm, firefox trusts the issuer
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yorickpeterse >
zzak: no, the topics aren't that interesting to me and I hate two-track conferences
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yorickpeterse >
plus it's a bit of an inconvenient time of the year for me
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nofxx >
Need a good naming scheme for my classes, it's common a 'name' and a localized field, currently 'i18n'. Better ideas?
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nofxx >
title, nick, slug and other before 'i18n' heh
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zzak >
yorickpeterse: ;-;
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zzak >
drbrain: says it expires in december
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drbrain >
zzak: in one browser I had a certificate chain of four certificates
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drbrain >
in the other, three
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drbrain >
now it's back to three in the first browser again
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drbrain >
I'm not sure what to make of that
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zzak >
you can chain them?
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drbrain >
it's the trust chain
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drbrain >
Root CA signs Intermediate CA signs bugs.ruby-lang.org
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drbrain >
so if you trust Root CA then by proxy you trust bugs.ruby-lang.org
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yorickpeterse >
nofxx: does it store a language or locale?
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drbrain >
but then it switched to:
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drbrain >
Root CA signs Original Root CA signs Intermediate CA signs bugs.ruby-lang.org
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zzak >
drbrain: how can you see the chain?
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drbrain >
and OS X trusted the Original Root CA, but not the new Root CA
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drbrain >
usually by clicking on the lock icon in your browser
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<
banisterfiend >
yorickpeterse "bad" is bath? (in dutch)
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nofxx >
yorickpeterse: the 'name' in different languages.. it's a hash
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nofxx >
yorickpeterse: name: 'foo', i18n: { en: 'Foo', pt: 'Fu' }
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yorickpeterse >
banisterfiend: yes
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banisterfiend >
yorickpeterse thx
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zzak >
drbrain: issuer?
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yorickpeterse >
nofxx: I'd just call it "languages" in that case
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drbrain >
zzak: the issuer is the person who signs your key and creates your certificate
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drbrain >
zzak: ri OpenSSL covers some of this
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drbrain >
but it doesn't describe "how PKI works" as much
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drbrain >
zzak: an Certificate Authority (CA) issues certificates
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nofxx >
yorickpeterse: i15d -> internationalized ... better then naming things is inventing words !
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zzak >
drbrain: right but i only see StartCom listed
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nofxx >
you might write the next dictionary, or history book, or programming book
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banisterfiend >
nofxx s/then/than :P
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zzak >
drbrain: as the intermediate
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drbrain >
ugh, now it's messed up again for me
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nofxx >
banisterfiend: beg yr pardon, bad english + lack of sleep
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banisterfiend >
hehe
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drbrain >
StartCom CA G2, StartCom CA, StartCom Class 1 Intermediate Server CA, bugs.ruby-lang.org
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drbrain >
zzak: that's just one certificate in the chain
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zzak >
drbrain: where do i find the rest of the chain?
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zzak >
drbrain: ahh
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drbrain >
OS X trusts the second certificate, but not the first
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drbrain >
yeah, my view keeps flipping between the two
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drbrain >
I think Safari and Chrome use the same SSL code on OS X
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banisterfiend >
drbrain do you know the ETA on ruby 2.1 ?
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drbrain >
banisterfiend: Christmass
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banisterfiend >
thanks, they're still doing that then ;)
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drbrain >
banisterfiend: the rumor mill says feature freeze is end of the month
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zzak >
drbrain: are you giving a duet talk?
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zzak >
(at rubyconf)
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drbrain >
zzak: trio! Also with ReinH!
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banisterfiend >
drbrain might be kind of cool if class definitions also returned their name so that class decoration will look as cute as method decoration in ruby 2.1
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ReinH >
drbrain: I need to get my bio in!
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drbrain >
ReinH: you need to get your bio in!
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zzak >
i hope they dont put me at the same time, so i can see it!
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drbrain >
if you're not at the same time you will be drafted as a participant
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banisterfiend >
ReinH what're you talking about?
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banisterfiend >
what will your talk be about*
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zzak >
drbrain: haha ok +1
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ReinH >
banisterfiend: I'm co-presenting with drbrain and Davy
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banisterfiend >
ReinH cool, what about?
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drbrain >
ReinH: be sure your bio is appropriately pirate-themed
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ReinH >
drbrain: I can give it to you right now
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drbrain >
ReinH: you should give it to evan
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banisterfiend >
ReinH cool
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banisterfiend >
also blergh @ people consistently saying pry is not a debugger (re the debugging talk there)
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zzak >
banisterfiend: im changing my talk to "erb as a debugger"
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ReinH >
drbrain: "When he isn't busy buckling swashes or hauling keels, you can find First Mate Rein Henrichs building high-performance distributed systems in Ruby. When Davy told him she was building a pirate-themed Spaceteam with dRB, he said 'Can I help? I like yelling!'"
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banisterfiend >
zzak sounds weird ;)
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drbrain >
ReinH: I asked evan to add your bio
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ReinH >
drbrain: high five :)
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ReinH >
distributed!
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ReinH >
drbrain: appropriately pirate-themed?
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drbrain >
ReinH: absolutely
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ReinH >
drbrain: oh and please re-capitalize DRb for me :)
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ReinH >
drbrain: talking about myself in the third person is starting to seem less weird after writing my nth bio.
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Rein Henrichs is starting to get used to it.
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ReinH: it's live
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that's what I call execution
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awesomesauce!
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erb + drb + drbd + gdb + bdb = ?
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the ultimate distributed fault tolerant templating debugger
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that no one is smart enough to use ;)
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are all the talks of rubyconf placed online or just some?
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xuser: I think they're all announced now
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drbrain: I mean, after the event, all talks are placed online?
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for past conferences, confreaks.org has hosted them
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ah found it
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looks they do put all the talks, not just some
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yes, I should have said "hosted them all"
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