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<yorickpeterse> morning
<maloik> o/
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<yorickpeterse> def logger; request.logger; end
<yorickpeterse> ugh
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<yorickpeterse> Fukit, time to create a new "WTF.md" document about this project
<yorickpeterse> There's a lot that needs to be cleaned up
<maloik> please post it, sounds like comedy :D
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<zenspider> I just upgraded git on my server and now my homebrew dir is saying it isn't a git directory. Am I supposed to migrate the .git dir or something?
<zenspider> fuck it. downgrading git
<maloik> what about re-initializing? might fix everything... I say might, so take a backup before you try it
<maloik> the same way rails new (I think it was) fixes an existing project when you update it
<jhass> I think git init inside a .git will just create a .git/.git
<jhass> especially if it thinks you're outside a repo
<maloik> not inside the .git of course :-)
<yorickpeterse> zenspider: Perhaps Homebrew is still using Git 1.x and your server Git 2.x
<yorickpeterse> Not sure if the two are compatible
<frank_o> jhass: Greetings! Regarding our API setup - if the API becomes unresponsive, the whole app will time out. Is there a way to prevent that? I'd hate to think we should have gone with jQuery from the getgo.
<yorickpeterse> or perhaps Homebrew does some weird shit where it thinks it's not compatible
<maloik> my git is 2.0.0 and I use homebrew as well
<jhass> frank_o: what do you want to happen if that happens?
<frank_o> jhass: Ideally it should load regardless of whether or not that controller method succeeds. But that's probably not how things work, huh.
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<jhass> it should load _what_
<yorickpeterse> maloik: it's annoying at times, I feel like I have to constantly run after people acting like I'm their mother
<frank_o> I'm thinking some jQuery thingie with deferred objects might be better suited for loading these products. But then what about all that beautiful JSON key manipulation we did.
<zenspider> yorickpeterse: it's just the git client on my server. version _shouldn't_ matter, should it?
<yorickpeterse> Yes, I'm quite pedantic, but seriously there's no need to use bloody activesupport just to get a constant from a string
<zenspider> I didn't hear about any catastrophic stuff for git 2.0
<yorickpeterse> zenspider: as far as I know it should work, yes
<yorickpeterse> I'm on Git 2.x as well and haven't noticed any similar problems so far
<jhass> frank_o: you can still make a route to convert that stuff back to json and query that
<zenspider> I wonder if I just corrupted it somehow
<jhass> frank_o: but I guess all you really want is a shorter timeout
<whitequark> zenspider: afaik 1.x and 2.x have fully compatible repo formats
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<whitequark> in fact it is THE same repo format
<zenspider> This is fucking odd:
<zenspider> 1733 % cd /usr/local/
<zenspider> 1734 % git sta
<zenspider> fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git
<whitequark> cat .git/config ?
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<zenspider> huh. yup. it's missing. I have no idea what happened. easy enough to fix tho.
<zenspider> thanks. I'm tired and missing stuff
<whitequark> zenspider: what is left of that repository anyway?
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<frank_o> jhass: jhass: So there's a way to skip `ThirdPartyProducts.fetch` if it doesn't respond within a certain timeframe?
<zenspider> seems like everything else is fine
<frank_o> jhass: I'm thinking that especially for mobile where even milliseconds count - we shouldn't have to sit around and wait for the API. If we were to use jQuery, we could insert the products into the page as they appear, if they appear.
<zenspider> huh. or not. I'm just gonna rsync my local .git dir over it
<jhass> frank_o: You can probably pass a timeout to RestClient
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<frank_o> that'd be awesome man
<yorickpeterse> frank_o: when time matters, offload heavy duty stuff to the background
<yorickpeterse> It's the only solution that will scale. Increasing timeouts is just a game of cat and mouse, except you'll always lose
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<yorickpeterse> In fact, configuring timeouts is so badly done that often people seem to just resort to `my_client.timeout = 10_000`
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<zenspider> cool. now it is acting like a repo again, sorta
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<zenspider> I'm back to the original problem which created this mess, which was:
<zenspider> % sudo brew update
<zenspider> fatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew.git/': SSL certificate problem: Invalid certificate chain
<zenspider> which I think is just tooling at that point
<frank_o> yorickpeterse: In that case I reckon jQuery is the way to go?
<yorickpeterse> frank_o: ....wat?
<frank_o> yorickpeterse: Here's the code in question: http://paste.mrzyx.de/pdd453a83/
<yorickpeterse> I'm not sure if I just got rustled
<frank_o> Rustled?
<yorickpeterse> This is Ruby, what does jQuery have to do with this?
<yorickpeterse> What are you building?
<yorickpeterse> Also
<yorickpeterse> there's an API token in there
<yorickpeterse> You might want to remove that
<frank_o> Anyway we're fetching products from a JSON API into a Rails app. I'm curious if it's better to let a jQuery-based REST client do this loading independently in the background.
<frank_o> That token is dead, no worries :)
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<yorickpeterse> jQuery doesn't solve the problem of slow services, it just moves the problem to the client
<yorickpeterse> So while the initial page will load, the data still won't show up until the service responds
<yorickpeterse> Is this data supposed to be real-time?
<jhass> zenspider: need to set http.sslCAInfo and/or http.sslCAPath maybe
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<zenspider> jhass: what I don't understand is why things are working on my lappy but not on my server.
<zenspider> they have the same ~/.gitconfig now
<frank_o> But at least then the app won't crash if it doesn't load? Also the app won't have to wait for a certain timeout which would make it seem unresponsive to demanding mobile users.
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<jhass> I recall OS X doesn't really provide a CA bundle, maybe you set that up once on your lap but never on your server
<frank_o> yorickpeterse: Perhaps real-time would be better, yeah.
<frank_o> It's real sad though. That Ruby code was so damn sweet.
<jhass> frank_o: you don't want to deliver your API token to the users
<yorickpeterse> frank_o: For one, your app wont crash
<frank_o> jhass: I never thought of that
<yorickpeterse> If you catch the timeout error you can just continue rolling
<jhass> frank_o: so you want to fetch it through a separate route through your app anyway
<jhass> can as well do the preprocessing on the server then
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<yorickpeterse> Also considering you're calling an external API you have to, apparently, use semi real-time, there's no way around
<yorickpeterse> Set the timeout on a reasonable time (e.g. 300ms) and you should be fine initially
<zenspider> jhass: maybe? I don't recall it... but I would think it'd show in my config, no?
<yorickpeterse> If you notice it's slow, then do it in the background somehow
<yorickpeterse> For that you'll need some Ajax stuff though
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<frank_o> Thanks a lot y'all
<frank_o> Comforting to know !
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<jhass> zenspider: never used OS X, so maybe there's still a standard location you could put a bundle and git would find it on its own
<jhass> zenspider: on *nix it's typically /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.txt/ca-bundle.txt or something like that
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<maloik> I vaguely remember having to do weird shit with some haxx.se CA after setting up a mac
<frank_o> maloik: Me too :)
<frank_o> OpenBSD though
<jhass> everybody implement DANE already! let's get rid of that useless CA stuff :P
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<zenspider> hrm... I think a more systemic problem is happening. curl is also failing, and that's the system curl.
<zenspider> yeah. something is pissy. I prolly need to restore something from backups or something. not something I can/will do from PDX at 2AM
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<yorickpeterse> hmpf, this project has a Less/ and less/ directory
<jhass> hopefully no windows devs :D
<yorickpeterse> different files in them too
<yorickpeterse> No, designers
<yorickpeterse> on OS X
<yorickpeterse> So I think for them it's even the same directory?
<yorickpeterse> Since HFS isn't case sensitive by default
<yorickpeterse> Plus they use Adobe, so it can't be as Photoshop still doesn't work on case sensitive HFS I believe
<jhass> huh, but then doesn't error out if you create the directory twice?
<jhass> odd
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<yorickpeterse> nfi
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<yorickpeterse> I don't use OS X
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<zenspider> yorickpeterse: hfs is case aware, but case insensitive, so it actually HARDER to make that scenario.
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<zenspider> unless you're me, and immediately wipe your macbook and reformat it case sensitive
<DefV> I did that once
<DefV> then 20% of the apps I used stopped working
<DefV> that was not a good week
<yorickpeterse> zenspider: well, they use Adobe software so they can't
<zenspider> the only problem I have are shitty games (read: anything from EA)
<yorickpeterse> also wtf, why do .css files need to be executable?
<DefV> and Civ
<DefV> 4 & 5
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<zenspider> given that I don't play games on my mac, this isn't really a problem for me
<zenspider> yorickpeterse: "this project"... meaning, what you check out from SCM?
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<yorickpeterse> zenspider: yes
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<zenspider> in that case, one person could have checked in "less" and another "Less"
<zenspider> it'd be fine on the mac side
<yorickpeterse> The CSS files appear to be generated from Less files, so I guess whatever shitty compiler they used changed stuff to 750
<yorickpeterse> hmmmm
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<zenspider> and would fuck up when committed, assuming case sensitive file system on the SCM server side,
<yorickpeterse> I asked on of the designers, but he's in a meeting
<yorickpeterse> so soon I'll know, hopefully
<zenspider> going to bed...
<jhass> zenspider: depends on the scm, git for once doesn't unpack on the server
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<jhass> it's just always case sensitive and would break when cloned to a case insensitive FS
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<yorickpeterse> oh great
<yorickpeterse> ._.
<yorickpeterse> Vim just nuked my project directory
<yorickpeterse> (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
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<rolfb> yorickpeterse: what?
<rolfb> how?
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<shortCircuit> can i ask a rails migration based question? this singular plural thing is extremely confusing
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<jhass> shortCircuit: try #rubyonrails
<shortCircuit> ok
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<t4nk695> Amateur question: Is there any difference between " and ' ? Both mostly work, but I've seen codes including both.
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<jhass> the biggest difference is that " allows for string interpolation while ' doesn't
<jhass> >> ["#{1+1}", '#{1+1}']
<eval-in> jhass => ["2", "\#{1+1}"] (https://eval.in/179004)
<t4nk695> Thank you. I'll just Google that.
<jhass> then of course " allows unescaped ' and ' allows unescaped "
<jhass> there are more string literals in ruby, namely %q %Q and heredoc
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<t4nk695> Errr... Brain overload
<t4nk695> Oh, thanks for the link.
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<t4nk695> Should I use some kind of special text editor for programming, or just stick to Notepad?
<jhass> syntax highlighting helps a lot
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<apeiros> NO-tepad
<jhass> I've no overview over the windows market but I think notepad++ is quite widely used as a general purpose editor
<jhass> for something advanced check sublime text
<apeiros> well, I guess windows users' expectancies aren't that high to begin with
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<ddv> try opening a 800 mb log file in notepad++
<ddv> it will hang/crash whatever
<ddv> vim or sublime have no problem with large files
<t4nk695> Is Notepad++ suited for a newbie like me?
<ddv> any editor will do
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<t4nk695> I thought I'd try to ask experienced people here. The guides kind of drop you of at installation.
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<jhass> editor is a very personal and religious choice
<jhass> try a few and stick with one
<jhass> reevaluate as you progress as a programmer
<apeiros> ^+1
<apeiros> try not to make it a dogmatic choice, though
* apeiros is often surprised how easily even intelligent people get caught in dogma
<t4nk695> Hehe
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<t4nk695> Well, I'll try Notepad++. If anyone has a problem with that, speak now, or remain forever silent.
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<maloik> I think sublime would be better suited at continuing to learn as you go along?
<maloik> notepad++ is fine but it's pretty basic, not much possibilities to extend it... at least as far as I can remember, I've been on mac for a couple years now
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<DefV> apeiros: how do you mean dogma
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<workmad3> DefV: normally it means something akin to cargo-culting and rationalising a choice you've already made with faulty, almost religious, 'logic' and community-truths
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<apeiros> the first sentence already expresses it quite nicely: "Dogma is a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true."
<apeiros> dogma can't be argued with. it's just true.
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<DefV> yeah, but how do you make a dogmatic choice :-)
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<DefV> dogma <--> choice
<apeiros> "Leader X said Y is best, therefore it is. Therefore I use it."
<apeiros> all dogmas are accepted by choice
<apeiros> you have free will after all
<apeiros> or at least something which seems like free will :)
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<workmad3> DefV: basically, a dogmatic choice would be me choosing to use vim and never re-evaluating because The One True God told me it was the Best Editor... as opposed to reality where it just is the best editor and could never be improved
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<apeiros> ^^
<workmad3> apeiros: are you sure you want to agree with that last statement? ;)
<yorickpeterse> I present to you, Ruby:
<yorickpeterse> >> require 'time'; Time.parse('2014-01-01 UTC').utc
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => 2014-01-01 00:00:00 UTC (https://eval.in/179010)
<yorickpeterse> oh wait, eval.in runs in UTC
<apeiros> workmad3: I don't see a reason to disturb your alternate reality ;-)
<yorickpeterse> either way, Time.parse() only uses the timezone if you actually include a time
<yorickpeterse> Time.parse('2014-06-06 UTC') # => 2014-06-06 00:00:00 +0200
<yorickpeterse> Time.parse('2014-06-06 00:00 UTC') # => 2014-06-06 00:00:00 UTC
<apeiros> I think felipec had a lengthy and hefty argument about that behavior on the ML and in the bugtracker
<yorickpeterse> 2014: still can't tell Time.parse() to parse something as fucking UTC
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<yorickpeterse> and Date can't do it either
<yorickpeterse> Date.parse(...).to_time # lol localtime bra
<yorickpeterse> inb4 activesupport
<yorickpeterse> So now I shall do the wonderful thing of Time.utc(*input.split('-'))
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<apeiros> I think that one was it? https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/7445
<DefV> apeiros: who told you you have free choice :-/
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<apeiros> I have free will
<DefV> I doubt that
<apeiros> it might be that I don't, but if that's the case, it doesn't matter anyway
<DefV> ha :-)
<apeiros> if all is destiny, then it's my destiny to wrongly think I had free will
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<workmad3> DefV: or, in other words, assume free will because the alternative is a useless non-starter
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<yorickpeterse> apeiros: haha wtf this bug discussion
<t4nk695> Did I start this one, by asking whether I should use Notepad++ or not?
<yorickpeterse> t4nk695: just use whatever works best for you
<maloik> most likely but don't worry about it, you'll get used to it
<maloik> and by it I mean that vim is obviously the best editor out there
<maloik> (:D)
<maloik> fuel, meet fire
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<t4nk695> Well, while reading your ridiculous discussion, I downloaded and extracted it.
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<t4nk695> Now I'll just have to find syntax highlighting, like that other guy said.
<workmad3> t4nk695: welcome to #ruby-lang, yak shavers anonymous...
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<apeiros> I'm only pseudonymous
<apeiros> so…
<apeiros> t4nk695: welcome to #ruby-lang, pedants inc.
<DefV> oh boy
<DefV> vim
<DefV> is it 1991 already
<apeiros> no. flying cars are still more than 9y away.
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<yorickpeterse> hey folks, anybody heard about this new cool thing called ed?
<yorickpeterse> it's totes rad
* apeiros waits for the inevitable
<DefV> emacs
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<t4nk695> Can anyone, in simple terms, please, explain to me what a gem is?
<workmad3> yorickpeterse: is it better than my card puncher?
<maloik> t4nk695: basically a neatly packaged plugin that you can install using rubygems
<workmad3> maloik: s/plugin/library IMO
<maloik> true, but plugin is probably more universal language :P
<workmad3> maloik: as plugin implies the existence of a framework to plug into
<yorickpeterse> t4nk695: sharable package of Ruby code
<apeiros> t4nk695: a container for: executables, libraries (native / plain ruby), data. any combination thereof
<workmad3> t4nk695: it's a thing
<t4nk695> I think yorickpeterse pretty much nailed it. THank you.
<workmad3> ok... so now to punch holes in yorickpeterse's definition by looking at gems that have non-ruby code
<workmad3> ;)
<t4nk695> yorickpeterse , shame on you.
<yorickpeterse> workmad3: if somebody asks the question "what's a Gem" they probably don't give a fuck that you can also package COBOL in it
<maloik> :D
<t4nk695> Well, this is becoming quite funny.
<workmad3> yorickpeterse: crap, did I forget my </sarcasm> and </pedant> tags again
<apeiros> workmad3: you don't have those on autocast?
<yorickpeterse> workmad3: I didn't
<yorickpeterse> I figured there shouldn't be a need for it by now
<yorickpeterse> since I'm 80% sarcastic here
<workmad3> :)
<t4nk695> f
* apeiros ponders whether that 80% figure was sarcastic
<maloik> you mean 80% of the time, or 80% sarcastic in that specific sentence?
<maloik> *confused*
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<workmad3> maloik: maybe he's talking about his psyche, where he has 10 trains of thought at once, 8 of which are sarcastic at any given time...
<workmad3> maloik: so any given utterance from yorickpeterse consists of 80% input from his sarcasm psyche
<yorickpeterse> maloik: both
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<yorickpeterse> I try to wrap a serious message in a layer of sarcasm with a spicy aftertaste
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<yorickpeterse> and now I'm hungry
<maloik> :D
<workmad3> yorickpeterse: I just had tasty thai curry
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<yorickpeterse> D: D: D:
<yorickpeterse> I wanted to order indian food yesterday
<yorickpeterse> but then I realized I have no door bell
<yorickpeterse> (it fell out and I can't find it)
<yorickpeterse> (the button that is)
<workmad3> are people unable to knock on the door?
<maloik> tell them to call your phone when they arrive or knock, yea
<maloik> and pay when the food arrives, that way if they fail to read it's their problem
<yorickpeterse> I'm not giving my phone number to some random delivery guy
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<yorickpeterse> ^ spot the paranoia
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<workmad3> and so yorickpeterse goes without tasty curry
<yorickpeterse> yup, I ate cereal instead
<ddv> get a new doorbell
<yorickpeterse> and some oatmeal
<yorickpeterse> ddv: See, other problem: too lazy
<workmad3> yorickpeterse: did you sprinkle chilli powder on it at least/
<workmad3> ?
<yorickpeterse> It took me 2 years to get my landlord to start working on a leak in my roof
<ddv> are you phone shy, yorickpeterse?
<yorickpeterse> ddv: No, but I don't like giving it out to strangers
<workmad3> that's what she said </couldn't-resist>
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<yorickpeterse> workmad3: only on drag-Fridays
<workmad3> heh
<yorickpeterse> I did actually think of re-wiring one of my neighbours' bell
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<yorickpeterse> it's already messed up anyway, if you press one of them it also rings my place (though I don't know which one)
<yorickpeterse> so from time to time my bell goes, I shit myself, and it turns out its for somebody below me
<yorickpeterse> Considering I live on the 2nd floor I can't tell them to just knock on my window or something
<yorickpeterse> (that would be pretty funny actually)
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<stef1a> i'm trying to set up ldap authentication with devise. i followed the instructions on the github page, but when i log in with my credentials, i just get a "401 Unauthorized access" error in my logs, which isn't very helpful. Here are the relevant ldap changes: https://github.com/uchicago-cs/practicum-webapp/commit/58585cbd048af621fbe5d82c0b775464b7ddf814. i have confirmed that i can authenticate myself with ldapsearch.
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<NemesisD> any enh-ruby-mode users here? was curious if theres a way to newline in a comment block and have it continue with my comment
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<NemesisD> oh wait that's already an emacs thing, M-j
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<NemesisD> the smug look on that guy is spot on :)
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<frank_o> Hi! Is there a prettier way to do `response = '{"products": []}'`? Something like `Array.new("products")` would be nice if it worked.
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<frank_o> I'm trying to return an empty response if REST Client times out: https://gist.github.com/frankie-loves-jesus/11058955#file-1-third_party_products-rb-L60-L69
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<frank_o> `{ products: [] }.to_json` I guess will work too but there's gotta be a prettier way
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<godd2> drbrain: apeiros claims you once said not to use spec.date in a gemspec. Can you corroborate this? Also, if it's true, perhaps you should consider taking out spec.date = '2010-04-28' from the "Make your own gem" example: http://guides.rubygems.org/make-your-own-gem/
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<jhass> frank_o: 1) don't rescue everything, rescue the exceptions you expect. 2) why did you revert to the old code 3) rescue in away that you replace the parse result, not the input to the parsing process
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<frank_o> jhass: Hi there
* frank_o thinks real hard
<frank_o> Didn't revert, dunno why I used the old example
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<apeiros> godd2: I guess I'll have to check the logs tomorrow, gotta go sleep :) curious about what he'll say.
<apeiros> n8
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<frank_o> jhass: 1) how do I tell ruby that im looking for a timeout exception? 3) you mean something like.. `rescue Whatever; ready_to_go = true; end` and then wrap all the rest of the code inside `if ready_to_go?; ...; end`?
<jhass> no no
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<jhass> wrap all the other inside begin resuce
<jhass> and yes, do rescue ExceptionClass => e
<jhass> whatever ExceptionClass for your timeout exception is
<jhass> and wrapping all the code inside a begin rescue won't look so bad if you user proper abstraction like I've shown you
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<Lingo__> if I have an array of integers how would I take out every other integer?
<frank_o> jhass: roughly what sort of abstraction are we looking at? current code btw: https://gist.github.com/frankie-loves-jesus/63aec3bef20328af1002#file-test-rb-L130
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<lupine> wonder if [].each_with_index.select {|elem,i| i%2==0 } would work
<Lingo__> I will try it
<jhass> frank_o: you could go as high as self.fetch and rescue there and return an empty array
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<jhass> frank_o: btw if the whole method body is inside a begin/rescue you can skip the begin
<jhass> def foo ... rescue ... end
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<Lingo__> that gave me a bunch of two digit arrays with the first number as the element (the number I want) and the second number is the index number
<jhass> Lingo__: .map(&:last) or I'd also try .each_slice(2).map(&:last)
<jhass> frank_o: s/puts 'wat'/[]/ and s/Affiliate::Tradedoubler/TheTimeoutExceptionClass/ but yeah
<frank_o> Sweeeeeet
<Lingo__> thanks jhass
<Lingo__> that worked!
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<frank_o> jhass: This timeout class would it look something like this? https://gist.github.com/frankie-loves-jesus/63aec3bef20328af1002#file-test-rb-L130
<jhass> maybe I don't know
<jhass> Let the exception happen and read the output
<jhass> the class is written there
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<frank_o> jhass: so I shouldn't actually create a new class myself but rather do like `rescue StandardError => e`?
<jhass> no
<jhass> you shouldn't create a new class and you shouldn't rescue StandardError
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<jhass> you should rescue the exception(s) RestClient throws at you
<frank_o> oh I see
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<frank_o> jhass: RestClient::RequestTimeout :)
<frank_o> thank you my brother
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<Hinkdogg> so now I have an array like ["10", "12", "14"]
<Hinkdogg> I want to get it to be ["1", "0", "1", "2", "1", "4"]
<Hinkdogg> and then turn them back into integers
<jhass> .flat_map {|n| n.chars }.map(&:to_i) but that feels a bit fishy. What are you really doing there? What's your input and expected output?
<Hinkdogg> The input is a 16 digit number
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<Hinkdogg> then we are supposed to run the Luhn algorithm
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