<|jemc|>
Soviet_Jesus: yes, a Proc is the object-oriented representation of a block
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<Soviet_Jesus>
awesome, thanks
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<|jemc|>
Soviet_Jesus: for general non-ruby-specific reading, you can look up 'closures' for some of the basic concepts and uses of blocks in other languages
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<Soviet_Jesus>
cool. I have a feeling I've been needing to learn that super bad.
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<yorickpeterse>
morning
<omnomnom>
katz
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<mod_legend>
hey peeps, anyone have time to field a ruby q on class_eval?
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<toretore>
ask, don't ask to ask
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<jdeen>
Hi guys, I have been using Timeouts to close Thrift connections (in an `ensure` block) to another server. I have had some issues w.r.t. Thrift connections and while having a conversation with a senior had the impresion that it might be a 'Thread Safe' issue. I read that 'Ruby Timeouts' are not safe. I am in MRI 2.2 and wonder if it is still the case. My reference to the concern is: https://coderwall.com/p/1novga/ruby-timeouts-are-dangerous
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<jhass>
jdeen: the concept of external timeouts, that is aborting an operation from the outside is entirely "thread unsafe", as the operation can do no cleanup nor define a safe point to interrupt
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<jhass>
it's more a conceptual issue than a implementation one
<jhass>
which is why for example Java deprecated things like Thread.kill like just one version after it was added
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<jdeen>
jhass: You are literally saying it is an unsafe thing to do. How would we handle connections to external servers and terminate the connection if it is taking long. Is there any other way?
<yorickpeterse>
"View presenters? Oh yeah we have those but I'm not going to use them here"
<jhass>
jdeen: ideally whatever you call would support a timeout parameter
<jhass>
jdeen: if it's low level sockets/IOs, non blocking operations + IO.select, which takes a timeout
<jhass>
yorickpeterse: bonus points for .to_sym :D
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<jdeen>
jhass: Thanks a lot for the information. You have a nice day there (y)
<tbuehlmann>
bonus points for are they really doing this for each request?!
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<yorickpeterse>
jhass: Yeah, it's all over the place
<yorickpeterse>
This whole app is a protoduction
<yorickpeterse>
now a year after initially set up I get to actually make it work
<yorickpeterse>
which means "refactor all the things!"
<yorickpeterse>
e.g. this code has a partial helper for Sinatra
<yorickpeterse>
but because it hardcodes the structure for local variables in some cases the views just use the "erb" method
<jhass>
rewr.uh..factor you mean
<yorickpeterse>
so there are basically two ways of rendering partials
<yorickpeterse>
Good thing sinatra is getting out of the production picture too
<yorickpeterse>
also some views randomly start rounding numbers/dividing them/etc
<yorickpeterse>
instead of you know, using those darn view presenters we put in
<yorickpeterse>
I really should've forced Liquid from the start
<yorickpeterse>
that way none could've hardcoded Ruby logic in the views
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<yorickpeterse>
I really need a big pyre on our office rooftop
<yorickpeterse>
so I can...well, do things with it
<yorickpeterse>
things that involve computers and people
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<yorickpeterse>
It's really annoying when you spend years building pretty sandcastles, then you have to work on that one castle everybody kicked over a year ago
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<godzillaenlacasa>
hey guys, getting an annoyin error all of a sudden when trying to install rails: "Ignoring gem-wrappers-1.2.7 because its extensions are not built"
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<godzillaenlacasa>
on osx... any suggestions?
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<kortes>
test
<kortes>
any suggestions for what ?
<kortes>
godzillaenlacas
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<godzillaenlacasa>
Kortes fixing this stupid error anytime I try to install a gem
<kortes>
which one?
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<godzillaenlacasa>
'gem install rails' spits out this: Ignoring gem-wrappers-1.2.7 because its extensions are not built
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<Clim_Jark>
Hello everyone
<jhass>
hi
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<Senjai>
hi
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<Clim_Jark>
how is everyone doing?
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<centrx>
awful
<havenwood>
if only it was Monday and we could work....
<havenwood>
uhg, Friday
<havenwood>
Clim_Jark: hi :)
<Clim_Jark>
how long have you guys been working with Ruby?
<jhass>
0-15 years I guess
<Senjai>
1.5 yrs here
<Senjai>
jhass: Your old <3
<jhass>
I answered for everybody!
<jhass>
I don't even know for myself
<jhass>
2-3 years I guess
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<jhass>
not that it matters much
<Clim_Jark>
this language is so interesting. I started my road of Computer science with languages like c++, and java . after learning C and C#, i started learning ruby ( which was like a month and a half ago)
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<Clim_Jark>
im using it as as scripting engine for a video game
<Clim_Jark>
im pretty impressed with its capabilities
<Senjai>
Why not LUA
<Senjai>
?
<Senjai>
It's a better fit IMO
<Senjai>
Not that I dont <3 ruby
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<havenwood>
mruby
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<Clim_Jark>
we use the RPGMaker Engine, its scripting language is RGSS , which is basically ruby with a couple extra features
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<centrx>
Clim_Jark, Yes Ruby is great for DSLs
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<Clim_Jark>
i went through all of codecademy's ruby tutorials, and im wondering what else should i learn within the language. It taught me control flow, loops,iterators,data structures, methods, blocks, sorting,Hashes and Symbols,refactoring, blocks,procs,lambdas, and OOP in Ruby
<jhass>
idioms is what really left, good places for these are here and over in #ruby, exercism.io and codewars.com
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<Senjai>
Clim_Jark: rubykoans
<Senjai>
its what we make our new employees go through
<Clim_Jark>
oooo
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<zenspider>
Senjai: really?
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<Senjai>
zenspider: yarly
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<zenspider>
Senjai: not sure what that tells you. eg, I did the clojure koans w/o ever coding in clojure before. finished in about 1hr. still don't know clojure. :)
<zenspider>
I'm just good at pattern matching
<zenspider>
admittedly, I think the ruby koans are better designed
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<Senjai>
zenspider: We need a working knowledge so we can work with them from there
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<Senjai>
And often, our employees have experience in other languages
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<zenspider>
well FUCK. my certificate auth seems to have totally borked my login. I can't renew my certs where are expiring in a couple days. Is there a preferred, hopefully free, CA these days?
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<jhass>
startssl is the only broadly accepted one that's free
<jhass>
until letsencrypt launches
<jhass>
I use CACert + DANE for personal stuff
<zenspider>
what's DANE?
<zenspider>
I am/was using CACert
<jhass>
DANE authenticates the cert via DNSSEC signed DNS records
<jhass>
no browser support yet unfortunately, there are plugins though
<jhass>
thus the combo with CACert
<zenspider>
not sure what timezone startssl is in, but it is currently in "Weekend Maintenance" and doesn't look like it's been updated this year
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<jhass>
StartSSL is based in Israel
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<zenspider>
doesn't explain why their website is from 1998 :P
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<jhass>
that's what you are saying
<jhass>
:P
<zenspider>
or why their copyright is 2011
<jhass>
it's crap, really
<jhass>
far worse than CACerts site
<jhass>
but the only ones atm giving a broadly accepted cert for free
<zenspider>
maybe I should just start another CACert account? I have no idea
<jhass>
maybe
<zenspider>
ok. fine. I'll pay a nominal amount. what are my options now? :)
<jhass>
the only thing that has a realistic chance of solving that mess is DANE
<jhass>
if browser vendors just wouldn't ignore it instead of adding yet another CA to that mess
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<womble>
jhass: Unfortunately, DANE is predicated on DNSSEC, and hoo boy is DNSSEC a mess.
<jhass>
still a huge improvement over the current system though
<jhass>
and nothing out there that will realistically be able to replace it in the next 5-10 years
<jhass>
also if it's possible for ICANN to mandate it for all new gtlds and companies like cloudflare can adopt it, it's mainly FUD IMO
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<jhass>
Dyn has it active too btw
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<macscam1>
does anyone know the url of the ruby gems listing of the l;atest gems? I have seen it but cant find it
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<womble>
jhass: Hey, I've got it active on all my domains. I'm not anti-DNSSEC (because, like you, I think it's the least-worst system we've got). But I'm also not blind to its myriad deficiencies, and can see why people think it isn't worth the hassle.
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<jhass>
I do see that you do need to pay effort into it beyond "just switching it on", if you're a medium through big sized DNS provider that is, however I do no follow to the "let's not do it, it's too much hassle" part