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<|jemc|> chris2: and what about women, or gender-queer individuals?
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<|jemc|> chris2: even if it seems innocuous, I'd ask you please refrain from gender-oriented remarks
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<|jemc|> and before you call me the "PC-police" - know that I'm not restricting your behavior in any way - just conditionalizing my respect or participation based on it
<wallerdev> eh it's an expression though
<wallerdev> if you said real people use 1.8 it would mean something completely different
<wallerdev> like only imaginary people use 2.0
<Senjai> 2.x4life
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<weaksauce> is there a roadmap out there for 3.0?
<wallerdev> i think everyones just gonna switch to javascript by then
<|jemc|> wallerdev: when real-life individuals are offended or feel excluded by an expression, even if you don't agree with or get the reasons why they feel offended, if you're trying to be inclusive to those people the best way to do that is to refrain from using it anyway, out of respect for those individuals
<wallerdev> sure :)
<wallerdev> maybe something like real men and women
<wallerdev> although maybe then you're excluding others who dont identify as those 2 types
<wallerdev> hmm
<wallerdev> guess you just have to scrap that expression haha
<|jemc|> heh
<|jemc|> anyway, it's just one of those things where I get disappointed with myself later if I don't speak up
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<Senjai> wallerdev: NO, ATWOODS LAW IS FALSE
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<wallerdev> :p
<Senjai> |jemc|: Chiming in late, but "real men" is a phrase, that has been used in various adverts around the world. I think its obvious its meant to just be a pun based on that.
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<womble> "real men use gender-inclusive language"
<|jemc|> Senjai: while I don't necessarily disagree with the content of your argument, in my estimation it is overriden by the real feelings of individuals who are offended by that expression, and who are also underrepresented in software
<|jemc|> whether or not I agree, I make a personal choice to try to be respectful and inclusive in hopes of bringing more good minds to software
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<wallerdev> yeah there are definitely a lot of problems with gender diversity in the software industry
<Senjai> |jemc|: That's fair, but we cannot hold people to what they don't say. so
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<Ozzymandias> ey anyone here that can help me with using an API
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<jhass> Ozzymandias: ask your actual question, not for someone that you hope has the answer
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<chris2> |jemc|: sorry
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<jdecuirm> hey guys, good night! for my class to use functions in a module, i have to require and include the module right?
<havenn> jdecuirm: that's a good way
<jdecuirm> thanks havenn, the problem is that undefined method 'skip' for Parser:Class error appears
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<jdecuirm> and i'm including the module
<havenn> jdecuirm: If you're calling the method on the class and not an instance of the class, it's probably extend you're looking for.
<apeiros_> jdecuirm: the error seems to indicate that you're using it in a class method. including a module adds the module's methods as instance methods.
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<apeiros_> havenn beat me to it :)
<jdecuirm> thanks guys you are cool
<jdecuirm> so extend instead of include
<jdecuirm> thanks guys, worked like a charm
<havenn> apeiros_: Can I pester you for a topic change? Might be nice to remove 1.9.3-p551 and switch the two http to https.
<apeiros_> since you're the second to ask…
<havenn> hehe
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<taylorrf> Hey guys! I have a little Ruby question here... :)
<taylorrf> here a little code sample to explain my question: http://pastebin.com/8Ybv4rVR
<havenn> taylorrf: ask away
<taylorrf> any tip is welcome
<womble> Never get involved in a land war in Asia.
<jhass> taylorrf: define a initialize_copy method
<jhass> see docs of .clone and .dup
<taylorrf> interesting, never hear about initialize_copy, thanks jhass
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<jdecuirm> guys, can you give me your opinion about sinatra over rails to create a backend for a mobile app? i want some opinions from experts!
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<wmoxam> jdecuirm: Either works fine
<jdecuirm> thanks wmoxam, i will read about pros and cons about them
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<jdecuirm> i think push notifications will be the first to check
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<havenn> jdecuirm: take a look at roda while you're at it: http://roda.jeremyevans.net/
<jdecuirm> thanks havenn, checking it out!
<havenn> jdecuirm: here's a video from this year's RubyConf too: http://confreaks.tv/videos/rubyconf2014-roda-the-routing-tree-web-framework
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<jdecuirm> while rails creates most for you, with roda or sinatra you should code. I like that
<jdecuirm> not much, but in sort of a way you have more control, well, that's what a noob thinks
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<Guest123456666> hi
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<significance> Hello all! I found this here: https://robots.thoughtbot.com/mygem-configure-block. If I want to accept a configuration file from an end user, should I just require the file they input?
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<significance> Hate to bump, but does anyone know whether I would just require a Rails-style config file like above to use it? Thanks!
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<paolooo> hi ruby, how can I call a function inside a function `def foo ... end` `def bar foo() end` -- it returns an error -- undefined method `foo`
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<Mon_Ouie> Like that, it just means you didn't define foo (or not in the right class, at least)
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<paolooo> Mon_Ouie: I've defined it... hang on
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<paolooo> ah you're right Mon_Ouie Thanks.. Just a typo :)
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<paolooo> hi guys, have you tried using ruby-trello package? I've trying to update a card but it doesn't updates.. http://www.rubydoc.info/github/jeremytregunna/ruby-trello/master/Trello/Card:update_fields
<paolooo> I've tried `card.update_field({...})`
<paolooo> it doesn't do any changes.
<paolooo> whew.. just figured out the solution.... `card.desc = 'test'` and then `card.save`
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<Eising> jhass: you around?
<Eising> anyway
<jhass> yeah, but just ask the channel, not people ;)
<Eising> yeah, I was just about to :)
<Eising> anyway, yesterday I was messing with an encoding problem relating to mysql
<Eising> I have data in my database written in UTF-8 by and older application and with the mysql gem/adapter, and I have data written to it by newer application using the mysql2 adapter, that better handles encoding
<Eising> for some reason, when I read a string saved by the old app, containing non-ascii characters, they become garbled. Obviously the old mysql adapter read the string fine. Both strings end up as UTF-8 in ruby
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<Eising> so, what I need is a way to get the string in a non-garbled way through mysql2
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<Eising> in essence, a way to un-garble the text
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<jhass> maybe just dump with the old adapter and reimport with the new :/
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<yorickpeterse> Hrmpf, Time y u no have Time.at() but for UTC
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<apeiros_> yorickpeterse: huh? that makes no sense?
<yorickpeterse> as in, I have a timestamp of which I don't know what zone it was based on
<yorickpeterse> Time.at(said_timestamp) will always produce something in local time
<apeiros_> timestamps don't have a timezone
<yorickpeterse> Now unless I have teh dumbz that's not always correct
<yorickpeterse> but hey this is time we're dealing with, so I might just have my brain up my ass
<apeiros_> 19:00+0100 and 20:00Z will produce the same timestamp
<yorickpeterse> >> require 'time'; Time.at(1424778726930 / 1000)
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => 2015-02-24 11:52:06 +0000 (https://eval.in/292636)
<yorickpeterse> oh wait, the bot is in UTC
<yorickpeterse> hmpf
<apeiros_> I think you've a misconception there
<apeiros_> a timezone only changes representation
<apeiros_> it does not change the time itself
<yorickpeterse> >> ENV['TZ'] = 'Europe/Amsterdam'; Time.at(1424778726930 / 1000)
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => 2015-02-24 12:52:06 +0100 (https://eval.in/292637)
<apeiros_> a timestamp does not carry representational information
<apeiros_> call .utc after it and you have what you want
<yorickpeterse> put it this way, I want the zone offset of the resulting Time to be +0
<yorickpeterse> always
<apeiros_> >> ENV['TZ'] = 'Europe/Amsterdam'; Time.at(1424778726930 / 1000).utc
<eval-in> apeiros_ => 2015-02-24 11:52:06 UTC (https://eval.in/292638)
<yorickpeterse> oh derp
<yorickpeterse> you're right
<yorickpeterse> (╯°□°)╯︵ yorick
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<apeiros_> glad to be helpful :)
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* yorickpeterse cant count to UTC
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<Eising> okay, so I've come closer to my problem, but not much closer to a solution: The problem is, I have things stored in my mysql database in both latin1 and utf-8 (luckily not in the same table). The mysql and mysql2 gems translates on the fly to the encoding ruby uses, so I data is alrady garbled when they reach ruby
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<Eising> is it is alrady garbled on arrival, force_encoding doesn't seem to work, yet it works to do a .bytes.pack("C*") for some reason
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<Eising> disregard the pack thing. That has mixed results
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<mikker> can I shorten pathnames in my stack traces?
<mikker> my ruby is installed via chruby, so all the paths are kind of long and I like a big font size, so all the lines break and the stack traces become miles long
<mikker> I suppose I could use something like https://github.com/philc/backtrace_shortener
<jhass> 2>&1 | cut -d'/' -f5-
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<mikker> jhass: nice! Can you explain the cut command?
<jhass> man can do better than I: man 1 cut
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<workmad3> cut... String.split for bash
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<jhass> it's not a built-in, it's a coreutil
<workmad3> :)
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<sennav> Hello, I'm having trouble to download the ruby-2.1.5, all packets are coming with the wrong md5 or sha256
<centrx> That sounds like a network problem
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<sennav> it could be my proxy... Can you try to download just to be sure?
<sennav> sha256: 4305cc6ceb094df55210d83548dcbeb5117d74eea25196a9b14fa268d354b100
<yorickpeterse> somethign relaxing to putting together a dumb API for forwarding webhooks to Slack
<yorickpeterse> the Slack API is pretty neat thankfully
<centrx> ok
<centrx> sennav, sha256sum ruby-2.1.5.tar.gz
<centrx> 4305cc6ceb094df55210d83548dcbeb5117d74eea25196a9b14fa268d354b100 ruby-2.1.5.tar.gz
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<sennav> ok, thanks... mine is still wrong I'll check my network
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<centrx> yorickpeterse, I'm webhooked on your dumb slacker API
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<yorickpeterse> hurrhurr
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<another_lukas> Does File.write use the string's encoding or do I have to set it myself? I'm using Ruby 2.x
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<Senjai> tias
<workmad3> another_lukas: it uses ruby's external encoding, unless you specify a different one
<another_lukas> workmad3: thanks :)
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<Senjai> Question (xpost from #ruby) https://gist.github.com/Senjai/3045c921bb31bf6ffd33 << I'd like to find another way of doing this in a cleaner way
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<Senjai> I dont need to display the feet, if there wasn't a whole foot to begin with
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<Senjai> but this solution is tearing at my soul
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<centrx> Senjai, Why is this method returning an array of strings?
<centrx> nm
<centrx> Senjai, What's the ' for
<centrx> and the \" quotation marks
<centrx> oh feet and inches
<centrx> nm
<Senjai> centrx: <3
<Senjai> xD
<Senjai> yeah
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<Senjai> certainty: <3
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