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<macer1>
how can I close EM connection from inside of class?
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<macer1>
eventmachine.rb:1511:in `klass_from_handler': true is not a class/module (TypeError)
<macer1>
o.O
<macer1>
I called it with self as a class
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<macer1>
matti: any ideas to that maybe?
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<macer1>
EventMachine.connect ip,port,self
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<macer1>
nvm fixed that
<macer1>
anyway when I try to send packet with eventmachine it is..corrupted :<
<macer1>
maybe some easy error...
<macer1>
the server fails with bad packet id 39
<macer1>
but the first byte I send is 2
<macer1>
and this was working without EM
<macer1>
ahh nevermind...fixed that :D
<macer1>
is there a clenear way to shift a string than; str = str.bytes.to_a.shift.pack("C*")
<ryanf>
shift as in destructively remove one character from the front?
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<ryanf>
oh, yours isn't even destructive, actually. if you just want to return the first character, try str.chars.first
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<macer1>
em
<macer1>
my string is a buffer
<macer1>
so after reading I need to shift bytes from it
<macer1>
I am doing it like @up
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<tanob>
I'm trying to use Net::HTTP with a SOCKS5 proxy connection created by SSH (option -D) but the requests are not working, anyone knows if Ruby Net::HTTP supports SOCKS5?
<tanob>
the whole problem is because I'm trying to run `bundler` through a proxy but it isn't working. The proxy is started using ssh -D and I set http_proxy...
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<chare>
you are all pathetic losers?
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<seanstickle>
chare: apparently?
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<arubin>
chare: We are all crying now. Thanks.
<chare>
Go > Ruby
<chare>
why do you use ruby arubin?
<arubin>
To upset you.
<chare>
arubin do you even know what go is
<seanstickle>
The trolls are not as good as they used to be.
<seanstickle>
They used to have some panache.
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<seanstickle>
Now it's all simplified insults.
<arubin>
chare: Sure.
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<chare>
seanstickle: you afraid to admit that I'm right that Go is much better?
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<arubin>
chare: If he admits it, will you go away?
<seanstickle>
chare: whatever answer pleases you most, so that you can leave and return to doing whatever it is you do.
<chare>
yes
<chare>
why is ruby on rails so complicated
<seanstickle>
chare: then yes, I am terribly afraid of Go
<bperry>
yeah, I wonder why twitter uses ruby on rails instead of Go
<chare>
didn't twitter dump rails for scala?
<seanstickle>
chare: nope
<arubin>
chare: I have to give you credit for successfully pulling off this troll.
<seanstickle>
chare: but that's what you get for reading headlines and not content
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<chare>
so fill in the details for me seanstickle
<seanstickle>
chare: you can't read?
<chare>
yes
<seanstickle>
chare: then do so
<bperry>
Steve Jenson: We find Ruby and Scala are very complementary. We use Ruby, actually specifically Rails, for things that it is very strong at. All the front end stuff that it does very well.
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<banisterfiend>
not 100% sure that worked, im not that familiar with IRC op commands
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<inimino>
About HEREDOC syntax, http://web.njit.edu/all_topics/Prog_Lang_Docs/html/ruby/syntax.html#string says: "If the - placed before the delimiter, then all leading whitespcae characters (tabs or spaces) are stripped from input lines and the line containing delimiter. This allows here-documents within scripts to be indented in a natural fashion."
<inimino>
But that seems to be a lie, as leading whitespace within the HEREDOC is apparently not stripped.
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<inimino>
The '<<-' syntax in shells does strip leading whitespace, which seems more useful. C'est la vie.
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<charliesome>
banisterfiend: even though you banned chare, you still need to kick him for the ban to take effect
<bperry>
heh
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<banisterfiend>
charliesome: the ban takes effect anyway, in that he cant talk
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<charliesome>
ah alright
<chare>
no
<charliesome>
lol
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<banisterfiend>
hehe
<banisterfiend>
well he seems to be behaving himself now anyway
<banisterfiend>
chare: right? :)
<arubin>
The ban was wrong anyways.
<chare>
you trying to bait me i'm not falling for it
<banisterfiend>
Probably
<charliesome>
arubin: was it?
<arubin>
Yes.
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<charliesome>
explain
<arubin>
+q is the preferrable solution on Freenode as well.
<chare>
lets stop talking about me
<chare>
and talk about postgresql vs mysql
<arubin>
+b *!*50-47-92-@*
<bperry>
RISC vs CISC
<arubin>
That was the ban.
<arubin>
The asterisks are wildcard characters.
<chare>
there is no CISC, intel is RISC internally
<arubin>
They are misplaced.
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<arubin>
chare is ~chare@50-47-92-111.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net
<chare>
arubin shhhh why you gotta keep on that
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<arubin>
That works.
<charliesome>
arubin: oh i thought you meant that the ban was philosophically wrong
<arubin>
heh
<arubin>
No.
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<arubin>
He earned it earlier.
<arubin>
And he clearly planned to troll more now.
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<banisterfiend>
He gets unbanned if he writes a rhyming poem about ruby
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<charliesome>
and why it's better than go
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<banisterfiend>
hehe
<seanstickle>
Rhyming?
<seanstickle>
Come on, let him use free verse anyways
<seanstickle>
free verse for the free node!
<arubin>
I think that his poem should be valid Ruby code.
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<banisterfiend>
this is his first attempt: <chare> A rare red ruby Falling slowly, tumbling From my hand To mingle,With the sand and the dust,Oh no ... Is it lost?Oh my ... What will be the cost?
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<seanstickle>
Rubies are not particularly rare. Fail.
<seanstickle>
Do another.
<banisterfiend>
he's workin' on it ;)
<seanstickle>
Also, it should really be about the Ruby language
<seanstickle>
Not the semiprecious gemstone
<moshee>
I know chare from several places
<moshee>
he got banned trolling #go-nuts the other day
<banisterfiend>
moshee: so he's a serial troll?
<charliesome>
moshee: let me guess, he was saying how good ruby is?
<moshee>
I think he has mental issues, honestly
<moshee>
um, he did say something to the effect of "SCREW GO, I'M GOING WITH RAILS"
<moshee>
in all caps of course
<arubin>
moshee: Probably just hormones.
<charliesome>
funny - he said the exact opposite in here yesterday
<moshee>
he then complained to me he got banned from #rubyonrails
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<seanstickle>
Even trolls have the blues.
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<quazimodo>
GUYS
<quazimodo>
i cant find a decent ruby mode for emacs :(
<quazimodo>
it doesnt work rigth :/
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<pricees>
0
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<banisterfiend>
<chare> Ruby i love blocks they do |every| every.thing().and() end Ruby if "you and i".split() "then #{self} alone" else ["we", "will"].join end
<banisterfiend>
good enough?
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<arubin>
You do realize that he is just going to troll again when you unban him, right?
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<arubin>
But sure, give him another chance.
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<chare>
testing 1 2 3 a b c
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<banisterfiend>
chare: wb, poetic soul.
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<bnagy>
banisterfiend: first one is plagiarized, btw
<chare>
did github just copy the layout from the railstutorial because their site looks remarkably like whats shown in this rails tutorial
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<chare>
so list of favorite phones?
<banisterfiend>
chare: i like the samsung galaxy s2/s3
<banisterfiend>
ill probably hold off getting a new phone until jellybean is more established though
<banisterfiend>
but jellybean looks great
<chare>
wtf i was expecting you guys to be apple fanboys
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<banisterfiend>
1 or 2
<banisterfiend>
not that many IME
<\13k>
s3 is pretty good, just waiting for samsung's jellybeans (which is told to happen later this month or early september)
<workmad3>
I upgraded to the htc one x recently... I'm pretty happy with it so far :)
<banisterfiend>
galaxy > htc
<banisterfiend>
:D
<banisterfiend>
not sure on that actually, they're probably pretty much identical
<workmad3>
banisterfiend: never found a samsung phone that feels particularly 'solid' tbh...
<bnagy>
Nokia 1280 ftw
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<chare>
what happened to nokia
<chare>
they got hammered
<chare>
they use to be on top
<chare>
now they are dying, what happened
<workmad3>
chare: they practiced the only thing they were good at - destroying anyone and everyone that uses their stuff
<chare>
ok translate that metaphor
<banisterfiend>
workmad3: They're often made of plastic, so they're lighter..there's some vids online of people dropping galaxy s2 and iphone from different heights, and the s2 coming out with barely a scratch but the iphone shattered
<banisterfiend>
probably due to its weight
<workmad3>
chare: they started with symbian... and in that ecosystem they basically destroyed all their licensors by doing stupid stuff
<chare>
such as...
<workmad3>
chare: such as the company I used to work for
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<workmad3>
chare: which went bankrupt because nokia disrupted everything for a year with background negotiations to buy symbian followed by them really screwing up turning it open source by just fucking around for far too long
<workmad3>
banisterfiend: that could be it... in contrast, I saw a video of someone hammering in nails with a one X yesterday ;)
<banisterfiend>
hehe
<banisterfiend>
workmad3: what android version are you running
<workmad3>
banisterfiend: with the screen at that... showing off the gorilla glass
<workmad3>
it's ice cream sandwich still, I believe, no jelly bean upgrade for the one x yet
<chare>
wtf is this gorilla glass, i see youtube videos of people dropping ipads iphones android phones, they all crack the glass, the gorilla glass does shit
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<shevy>
chare!
<shevy>
come to ruby man
<chare>
this is ruby...
<shevy>
workmad3 I think nokia was destroyed because of their trojan horse CEO
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<chare>
so you guys predicting that 2013 will be the year that android pulls way ahead of apple, or year that apple strikes back?
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<azm>
hello shevy !
<azm>
are you that guy with lobster pet ?
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<shevy>
oh
<shevy>
azm I thought you are chare
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<shevy>
but chare is that apple man
<chare>
i have nothing of apple
<shevy>
you mentioned apple just one sentence before!
<chare>
doesn't mean i have an iphone
<shevy>
apple without jobs is no longer the same apple
<chare>
you sure its not just that the smart phone and tablet markets are going to get commoditized
<chare>
and then apple can't justify the high margins
<shevy>
cheap apple wouldn't be the apple everyone used to know
<azm>
shevy, what distro are you using ?
<azm>
I want to istall linux
<shevy>
they'll sell overpriced gadgets until the end of days (3 years, then the missing jobs will kick in)
<shevy>
azm gobolinux
<shevy>
azm just kidding... but I install in a gobolinux scheme all the time, so I only compile from source
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<shevy>
last distribution I tried was mageia
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<shevy>
it was ok... nothing breathtaking
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<azm>
heh, that is actually neat
<azm>
I wish all distros would be like that
<shevy>
hmm
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<shevy>
most distributions have a lot of inertia
<shevy>
they are content to just provide certain things in a distribution-specific way, using [insert package manager here]
<azm>
you could all just link it manyally
<azm>
*manually
<azm>
so what is your prefered distro ?
<azm>
dont be mysterious shell0x
<azm>
*shevy
<azm>
x)
<azm>
I bet its gentoo
<azm>
or arch
<shevy>
gobolinux without a doubt
<shevy>
there is no cleaner distribution
<shevy>
sadly it kinda died :(
<azm>
how so ?
<shevy>
students in brazil maintained it in the past. lateron, they had to work full time and thus no longer had the time to maintain it (and noone else really picked up)
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<shevy>
they also used shell scripts to manage the distribution
<azm>
what about BSD
<shevy>
while the scripts were the cleanest shell scripts I ever saw, shell scripts simply just suck
<azm>
im contemplating openbsd too
<shevy>
I don't know
<shevy>
I liked the idea of PC-BSD
<shevy>
but it all feels too much as if it is just freebsd in the core, and a nicer layer put on top of it
<shevy>
I don't really see any huge advantage freebsd has over linux
<azm>
i really likde ubuntu till they put the gnome3 on it
<azm>
its useless now for me
<azm>
meh
<shevy>
hehe
<shevy>
gnome3 is strange
<shevy>
I never found out how to use that new shell thing efficiently
<shevy>
all actions suddenly seemed to require an additional mouse click
<azm>
well no wonder when it feels like your stuck in prison
<shevy>
yeah
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<azm>
boils down to use xfce or kde
<shevy>
xfce is nice
<shevy>
KDE feels confused
<shevy>
they killed dcop and replaced it with qtdbus or qdbus, forgot the name. but they did not offer the same functionality as is with it, I could not figure out how to use it compared to dcop
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<azm>
yea
<azm>
kde is too big
<azm>
yet seems to be more finished
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<azm>
xfce was kinda yoonger brother of gnome 2
<shevy>
did you try the latest enlightenment?
<azm>
never heard of
<shevy>
using it confuses me (I use fluxbox most of the time, it's dead simple and does not confuse me), but it is really looking great
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<macer1>
the problem is, it only can call a block when new value is in channel
<macer1>
I want it to return it not call it to block
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<Spooner>
banisterfiend` : Meh ;(
<oddmunds>
banisterfiend`: the wole game is super hacky, but it did(/does) work
<oddmunds>
banisterfiend`: you're involved in gosu, aren't you?
<banisterfiend`>
i wrote a library for it
<Spooner>
oddmunds : Nah, he abandoned us a long time ago :P
<banisterfiend`>
texplay thingy
<banisterfiend`>
image manipulation
<banisterfiend`>
still kind of works though :) afaik
<oddmunds>
hehe
<macer1>
I can't get it it to working usin ruby queue too :/
<Spooner>
banisterfiend` : Still works, yes :)
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<Spooner>
oddmunds : Why not make a 8x8 blocky sprite roguealike in Gosu? I've never seen the appeal in being an '&' fighting off a horde of 'z's (even if I can't see a need for high-res or 3D graphics in games).
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<oddmunds>
Spooner: mostly because: Play over SSH
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<Spooner>
Ah, well, I suppose it opens up being able to play online over ssh...yeah, missed that.
<oddmunds>
and: it was a one-day project
<oddmunds>
also: i think i want to shift my engine over to sprites
<oddmunds>
because i want music too
<macer1>
is it possible to save value while being in block {} and then return it from function?
<oddmunds>
Spooner: i still prefer symbolc graphics over descriptive graphics for my roguelikes, though
<macer1>
def get_packet; channel.pop {|packet| return_packet_somehow}; end
<macer1>
the channel.pop itself returns "1"
<banisterfiend`>
macer1: no one understand what u're talking about
<Spooner>
macer1 : Yes, the last value in the block is returned to the yield/call, so "result_of_block = yield".
<bluebie>
did any of you guys hang out in the why blog comments back in the day? I miss that
<macer1>
banisterfiend`: :(
<macer1>
scrool some up banisterfiend`
<banisterfiend`>
(at least i dont:)
<macer1>
I was talking about eventmachine
<macer1>
and its channel
<macer1>
Spooner: interesting, I will look :)
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<shevy>
bluebie that's like 5 years ago already man
<bluebie>
it's not long enough to miss it?
<shevy>
people have already forgotten about it
<bluebie>
you've forgotten? :O
<oddmunds>
it was before my time
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<matti>
macer1: ;-)
<matti>
macer1: Did you sleep at all?
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<shevy>
bluebie kinda. my brain focuses more on what is new
<bluebie>
fair enough :)
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<bluebie>
from time to time I see friends from that little community doing amazing things and wonder if I'll find another online community like it
<bluebie>
then I think I should make one!
<shevy>
_why was creative
<bluebie>
maybe I will :)
<bluebie>
lots of people are creative around ruby
<bluebie>
ruby is poems
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<shevy>
yeah
<bluebie>
why was a cartoon - I think that helped a bit
<bluebie>
made all those blogs and things not about him - anyone could be why. Kinda empowering!
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<macer1>
matti: yes
<matti>
;-)
<macer1>
like from 5-6 AM
<macer1>
also were to put this yield?
<matti>
LOL
<macer1>
"result_of_block = yield"
<macer1>
yield needs block isn it?
<banisterfiend>
macer1: Ya
<matti>
Hi banisterfiend
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<macer1>
so...
<banisterfiend>
matti: hi ;]
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<fowl>
yield if block_given? and you.feels_like_it
<banisterfiend>
fowl: fowlie!!!
<banisterfiend>
fowl: sup dogg
<macer1>
@channel.pop {|packet| packet}
<macer1>
where yield fits in it :>?
<fowl>
hey
<fowl>
i just slept for 17 hours
<macer1>
o.O
<matti>
Haha
<matti>
fowl: ;-)
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<matti>
fowl: Headache?
<banisterfiend>
fowl: how come?were you sleep deprived before that?
<fowl>
idk i layed down at noon and woke up at 5 am lol ._.
<fowl>
no way bro never take more than 3 whole marijuanas, more than that is living on the razors edge :o
<banisterfiend>
"A man accidentally gets into a time machine and travels back in time nearly an hour. Finding himself will be the first of a series of disasters of unforeseeable consequences."
<fowl>
cool i clicked on this button and it popped up in mplayer
<fowl>
technology (:
<macer1>
Spooner: how does it fit in the function?
<Spooner>
macer1 : Yield is performed in channel.pop to send packet to the block. If that isn't your method, then yield has nothing to do with it.
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<macer1>
yeah I was asking to
<macer1>
made a function that waits for a packet and return it from block
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<macer1>
return the value, not call block with it
<macer1>
like pop do
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<macer1>
I can do it with setting globals but I don't think it is right way to do it
<Spooner>
You need to be more specific what you are trying to do. Are you working on get_packet or channel.pop?
<macer1>
Spooner: I am working on get_packet
<macer1>
channek
<macer1>
channel.pop is eventmachine method*
<Spooner>
Oh, I see. I would suggest, without EM experience, that a simple channel.pop (without a block) will just return the result, without messing around with a block at all.
<macer1>
nope
<macer1>
that will be too easy :)
<macer1>
it returns "1"
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<Spooner>
Ah, yes, because it doesn't return right away.
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<macer1>
yeah
<Spooner>
So you can't return the value in next_packet. You are approaching it incorrectly.
<banisterfiend>
fowl: watching, dogg?
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<macer1>
it will wait for a packet
<fowl>
banisterfiend: just started, im bout to go outside for a breath of 'fresh air' *WINK*
<macer1>
def next_packet; @channel.pop {|packet| puts packet}; end
<macer1>
function like that will wait
<macer1>
and display the packet
<banisterfiend>
fowl: good idea, i should probably do that too
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<fowl>
macer1: you tried { |packet| yield packet }?
<macer1>
packet = @channel.pop {|p| yield p} ?
<Spooner>
Right, OK. What I think you want is: def next_packet; packet = nil; @channel.pop {|p| packet = p}; packet; end
<deryl>
bnagy: you'd have to char.to_i or something wouldn't you? (You could theoretically walk the alphabet using the ANSI code and incrementing by 1 could you not?)
<matti>
macer1: But I am happy to help later :D
<macer1>
matti: ok :p
<macer1>
if you know some bindata, great
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<bnagy>
deryl: yeah you could do a lot of stuff, but I don't know what the actual problem is :)
<matti>
macer1: Ganbatte ne~
<deryl>
bnagy: hehe me either, twas more of an aside (tangent)
<macer1>
matti: ?
<macer1>
stop talking japaneese to me >.>
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<otters>
sebicas: you could make @chars = Hash.new{|h,k| h[k] = 1 }
<otters>
and then just do @chars[char] == 1
<otters>
*+=
<otters>
I guess you'd have to make the initial value 0 though
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<sebicas>
Thx otter, I will try it out
<sebicas>
Thx otters, I will try it out
<Mon_Ouie>
In that case you can also just do Hash.new 0
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<ruby-code>
hello
<matti>
Hello
<ruby-code>
salut
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<ruby-code>
may I have ur privat matti ?
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<matti>
No.
<matti>
Ask here.
<ruby-code>
I am looking for a tool to decrypt an .rbs file
<shevy>
what the hell is .rbs
<ruby-code>
a scrambled .rb file
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<seanstickle>
?
<seanstickle>
Really?
<ruby-code>
crypted
<ruby-code>
yes
<fowl>
the tool costs $45.50
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<ruby-code>
fowl: URL ?
<fowl>
head down to the docks, ask around
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<JonnieCache|home>
lol
<fowl>
it'll be on sale inside a warehouse
<matti>
fowl: LOL
<shevy>
ruby-code why does anyone want to "scramble" a .rb file
<JonnieCache|home>
more to the point why would you pay for it? or was that a joke
<seanstickle>
First I've heard of this "scrambled" ruby stuff
<ruby-code>
to hide the code shevy
<seanstickle>
Link?
<ruby-code>
link for what ?
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<shevy>
hide code from scripting language?
<seanstickle>
To some explanation of what RBS is
<seanstickle>
All I find is SketchUp stuff
<ruby-code>
ask google seanstickle
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<shevy>
I think he is making this up
<seanstickle>
ruby-code: hey dipshit, you're the one asking for help here
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<seanstickle>
You want to fuck around, be my guest, but take it to another channel
<ruby-code>
well some sketchup plugins are in .rb format
<shevy>
sketchup uses ruby
<ruby-code>
and some otheres are in .rbs format
<shevy>
an outdated version as well
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<apeiros_>
seanstickle: please refrain from insulting
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<shevy>
ruby-code, let's teach you ruby
<seanstickle>
apeiros_: Apologies. Trolls make me angry.
<ruby-code>
no it will take forever to teach me
<ruby-code>
I want a fast solution
<shevy>
!!!
<apeiros_>
seanstickle: accepted. and I know. and I certainly understand :)
<shevy>
there is no shortcut for knowledge
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<apeiros_>
ruby-code: given that you have an encrypted file
<ruby-code>
will u teach me how to edit .rbs files?
<apeiros_>
and given that somebody relies on it being encrypted
<apeiros_>
it sounds to me like you want assistance to something that comes close, or even is, stealing
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<shevy>
ruby-code ruby uses .rb files
<apeiros_>
ruby-code: and I'd suggest you do not ask for that in this channel. thank you.
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<ruby-code>
apeiros_: r u sure? that I want to steal stuff ?
<apeiros_>
ruby-code: don't mess with me.
<shevy>
seanstickle they kinda manage to increase the channel's activity :D
<apeiros_>
if you want the code in plain text, ask the author
<seanstickle>
shevy: true.
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<seanstickle>
shevy: like some sort of infection that triggers the leucocytes to activity
<ruby-code>
apeiros_: I'll tell u something
<shevy>
seanstickle hahaha yeah
<Mon_Ouie>
(Random grammar question: shouldn't it be "I'd suggest you not ask" — or however the subjunctive is used?)
<ruby-code>
anyway forget
<shevy>
Mon_Ouie, I would add a "to" into that sentence, but I am not a native english speaker
<ruby-code>
I have no bad intentions as apeiros_ thinks
<JonnieCache|home>
Mon_Ouie: "I'd suggest that you do not ask" if you add "that" it works
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<seanstickle>
Subjuctive and optative in English is notoriously obscure.
<JonnieCache|home>
or "i'd suggest you don't ask" but that inelegant
<JonnieCache|home>
thats*
<JonnieCache|home>
heh
<seanstickle>
This is why we should all use Lojban
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<seanstickle>
:D
<apeiros_>
+1
<fowl>
no more grammar questions allowed in here
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<ruby-code>
I thnik that I'm in a helpless channel
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<Mon_Ouie>
What about Ruby grammar?
<fowl>
we must only speak of The Ruby, and the Matz
<fowl>
of course
<shevy>
ruby-code the channel uses .rb files
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<ruby-code>
.rbs is a crpyted .rb
<fowl>
ruby-code: try #ruby-lang they have all the leet cracking tools
<ruby-code>
thanks fowl and I remind u I am not trying to crack
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<JonnieCache|home>
either give us more info on how its been encrypted or whatever
<JonnieCache|home>
or work it out for yourself
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<shevy>
ruby-code this is like an urban legend
<ruby-code>
shevy: believe it or not
<ruby-code>
it's up to u to believe or not
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<JonnieCache|home>
googled it, there is some kind of scrambler that comes with the sdk apparently
<ruby-code>
the file belongs to me and it was crypted remotely
<ruby-code>
by someone
<ruby-code>
and I lost the original .rb file
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<matti>
Mon_Ouie: "I would recommend you refrain from asking."
<ruby-code>
he crypted it by mistake
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<JonnieCache|home>
ah so you in other words contracted someone and you didnt want to pay them enough for the source code and you want us to help you screw a fellow freelancer
<JonnieCache|home>
sorry mate but i dont think youll get much sympathy from this crowd
<ruby-code>
JonnieCache|home: me?
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<matti>
ruby-code: The thing is, that without proper dissection there is no way on this channel to know, how it was encrypted, and with what.
<matti>
ruby-code: And if the encryption is sufficiently strong, trying to came up with a pass-phrase might be a wishful thinking.
<ruby-code>
but I have heard that OLLY can do the job
<ruby-code>
but I don't know how to
<matti>
ruby-code: Your question is along the lines of "how to cure cancer with enough cabbage".
<ruby-code>
so rbs is irreversible ?
<matti>
ruby-code: People here are trying to tell you, that we have no idea what this particular .rbs is.
<shevy>
he has no time anyway
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<matti>
ruby-code: A file extension does not convey its contents in modern days.
<Mon_Ouie>
If it were completely irreversible, it could not be executed; that doesn't mean you can easily guess how to execute it
<shevy>
all files ending in .sexy are good looking files
<matti>
ruby-code: Unless we talk about something from DOS 6.22
<Mon_Ouie>
matti: You speak a language with funny characters I can't read so I trust you.
<shevy>
haha
<apeiros_>
it's pretty much possible that a part of it (obfuscation) is irreversible
<matti>
Mon_Ouie: What? :)
<ruby-code>
ok understand
<matti>
ruby-code: We are not upset with you, or anything.
<matti>
ruby-code: It is just hard to get the idea about this file.
<matti>
ruby-code: Put it somewhere for us to see.
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<ruby-code>
matti: it's a little script for google sketchup writing originaly in ruby
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<matti>
Mon_Ouie: That is how I would put the sentence forward, to make it nice and polite.
<ruby-code>
sorry for my eng
<matti>
ruby-code: That's fine.
<matti>
ruby-code: Run file on it, or libextract etc.
<matti>
ruby-code: Get a hex-editor and have a look at few bytes from the begining / header.
<matti>
ruby-code: Or, contact person who encrypted it and ask for help (not sure).
<matti>
:>
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<ruby-code>
(not sure) u r still thinking I am trying to crack lol
<ruby-code>
anyway
<ruby-code>
thanks for ur help
<ruby-code>
the file was encrypted automaticaly with a cronjob process
<matti>
ruby-code: I have no opinion on what do you want to do with it ;]
<ruby-code>
and the *rb file was deleted
<ruby-code>
automaticaly from the server
<matti>
Can you execute the code?
<matti>
Load it?
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<ruby-code>
inside sketchup
<ruby-code>
tes
<ruby-code>
yes
<shevy>
there you go!
<matti>
Then attach gdb to sketchup and look it up.
<shevy>
you can sniff into it
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<matti>
shevy: You have to drag answers from people nowadays ;p
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<matti>
shevy: I feel like a detective ;p
<shevy>
yeah
<ruby-code>
heh
<matti>
:)
<ruby-code>
thanks anyway
<ruby-code>
I'll try
<ruby-code>
I have to go now
<ruby-code>
maybe see u later
<matti>
ruby-code: You could get it to execute and get memory dump with gdb.
<matti>
ruby-code: Stack trace, etc.
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<matti>
ruby-code: Maybe even attach Ruby debugger?
<shevy>
from now on you shall be known as detective matti
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<shevy>
"Matrix V - detective matti under fire"
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<shevy>
"Matrix VI - solving the mystery of detective matti's death"
<matti>
I bet my pants that this was borederline troll.
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<shevy>
I think he was just lazy
<matti>
Yeah.
<shevy>
no time to learn ruby, no time to hang out either
<matti>
;D
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<matti>
shevy: We should have given the answer along the lines of "Press F2" ;d
<matti>
shevy: He'd like that.
<shevy>
hehe
<matti>
shevy: Movie titles wise.
<matti>
shevy: I prefer Indiana Jones theme.
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<matti>
shevy: "Matti and the Ruby File of Doom"
<lampe2>
hey i build a gem with bundler and i installed it now i wanne use it in a other project i requierd the gem and no i wanne test it like this: Mytestgem::mytest but ruby says: `<main>': undefined method `mytest' for Mytestgem:Module (NoMethodError)
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<apeiros_>
matti: we should have told him about the 'remove modification' tool, aka rm
<matti>
apeiros_: Haha
<matti>
apeiros_: You Sir are the evil ;d
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<shevy>
I think he was a windows dude
<JonnieCache|home>
lol ive just discovered one of my close friends is the author of bpython
<JonnieCache|home>
i think its basically the python version of pry
<JonnieCache|home>
thats amazing i had no idea he was so good at python
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<lampe2>
cant someone help pls?
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<shevy>
lampe2 not me, I avoid bundler like the plague
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<canton7>
lampe2, "build a gem with bundler" -- care to elaborate?
<shevy>
the way I build gems is, I let a ruby script generate a simple .gemspec, fill that up a bit, then do "gem build *.gemspec"
<shevy>
anyway, if you have a .rb file, and you want to call mytest method on it
<shevy>
btw using :: for method names is a bit ugly
<lampe2>
i was just watching railscasts about how to build a gem
<lampe2>
whats the better way shevy ? :)
<canton7>
depends on what you're trying to do. I believe bunderl can generate a skeleton .gemspec (which I hate -- it depends on git), but I don't know what sort of building it can or cannot do
<shevy>
first, ensure that your .rb file(s) work lampe2
<shevy>
so that code like Mytestgem::mytest never fails (but please use Mytestgem.mytest rather)
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<shevy>
then, when you did this, you can make it into a gem
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<lampe2>
kk thx i will try it
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<shevy>
there are like 20 tools to generate .gemspec files. I ended up hating all of them and wrote a script that just generates a dumb little .gemspec file
<RubyPanther>
shevy: Gtk is easier to use for something quick and dirty, you don't want Tk unless you've used it before and want some specific feature
<lampe2>
shevy, today i do everything with webguis :)
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<RubyPanther>
Tk is usable, and only ugly on macs
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<lampe2>
on rubysource was this little article about jquerymobile and sinatra. this is the way how i build apps today :)
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<shevy>
yeah tk is ugly
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<shevy>
I just want a quick and super simple wrapper over my ruby ftp wrapper
<sr___>
anyone aware of a windows-only bug in Rake's import command for makefiles?
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<lampe2>
sry i use linux :)
<sr___>
I usually use linux as well, but once in a while have to use windows
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<seanstickle>
Ruby on Windows 9 is gonna be epic
<deryl>
yeah. epic fail
<lampe2>
windows 9 ? :D
<seanstickle>
lampe2: Yeah, the version where they fix all the lame excesses of Windows 8
<lampe2>
with the epic fail of windows 8 i dont think that there will be a windows 9 :D
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<seanstickle>
Office 2007 : Office 2010 :: Windows 8 : Windows 9
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<lampe2>
vista was bad but windows 8 is like windows vista + windows me + windows 3.11
<coldmind>
damn stereotypes
<lampe2>
:)
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<RubyPanther>
shevy: the only advantage of Tk over Gtk is that it is in stdlib. Tk actually gets rather complicated with the callbacks compared to anything else. It was great in the 90s...
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<lampe2>
this is a little bit offtopic but iam looking for a good radio stream for developing. i look for something like smooth jazz or lounge music or just something that can be in the background ?
<JonnieCache|home>
i have the perfect thing hold on
<jrajav>
And the language you're speaking isn't? :P
<coldmind>
one question to community - i'm choosing a technology to improve deeply, now i'm on ruby ninja way.
<coldmind>
what is the most suitable sphere, that use this techology? i'm interested in backend such as server parts of web applications, but i heard opinions that ruby is bad for these purpose.
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<Nami-Doc>
jrajav: I am french
<jrajav>
I'm just curious what you'd offer up as a "good" language
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<Nami-Doc>
french just is too much complicated for no reason.
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<Mon_Ouie>
Human languages have never been about efficiency
<graspee>
english is far far far far worse for that than french is
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<Mon_Ouie>
Nor have humans, for that matter
<graspee>
english spelling rules are one of the prime examples of how to not do something
<Nami-Doc>
Do you know french ones ?
<JonnieCache|home>
unless you want to write poetry
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<JonnieCache|home>
in real life ambiguity == expressiveness
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<Nami-Doc>
well yeah
<Nami-Doc>
you do not construct a speaking language like a programmating one
<lampe2>
lol from codeing language to human language wars ...
<Mon_Ouie>
Go tell that to Tolkien and however created Lojban and Esperanto
<Mon_Ouie>
whoever*
<lampe2>
esperanto is cool :)
<blazes816>
cool like haskell
<Nami-Doc>
Tolkien languages are not "finished", but it's sure outstanding job
<blazes816>
as in, theoretically
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<deryl>
not finished??
<blazes816>
Nami-Doc: no language is finished
<Nami-Doc>
Not rly speakable
<Nami-Doc>
that's what I meant
<blazes816>
English 3.4.3 RC3 coming out soon!
<deryl>
hahahaha
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<lampe2>
:D
<deryl>
he's hilarious
<Nami-Doc>
glad to make you smile
<lampe2>
this issssssssss HUSKELLLLL data PhiNum a = PhiNum { numPart :: a, phiPart :: a } deriving (Eq, Show)
<deryl>
you do realize that tolkein was a linguist, that his Silvani is a recognized language, and that it was even used in the trilogy movies right?
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<deryl>
s/ein/ien/
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<Nami-Doc>
silvani ?
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<deryl>
elven. Silvani is the 'elf type' (there were several types of elves. wood, rock, etc) and Silvani was the silver wood elf. He wrote their language (See the Silmarillion)
<lampe2>
are we now at the lord of the rings Chanel ?
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<Nami-Doc>
I'm affraid I don't know enough about Tolkien elves then, google just brought me on it pages
<blazes816>
Nami-Doc: you know more than enough i'm sure
<JonnieCache|home>
notion: lotr is turgid self-indulgent rubbish. discuss.
<Nami-Doc>
nice sarcasm
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<Nami-Doc>
"Silvan language, from Nandorin, language of Nandor, a branch of the Third Clan"
<blazes816>
I stick my neck out there. I hate lotr. If I wanted to watch people walk for 9 hours I'd hang out in Oakland.
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<Mon_Ouie>
fowl: Do you keep your opinion regarding grammar? :p
<seanstickle>
I have "A Gateway to Sindarin", which is a very good book on the Sindarin language
<seanstickle>
Finished enough, anyways, thanks to contributors.
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<JonnieCache|home>
i liked the hobbit
<seanstickle>
I liked the Hobbit enough to avoid these new movies coming out.
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<mparodi_>
Hello guys
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<JonnieCache|home>
his dark materials ftw
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<JonnieCache|home>
thats what my children will have impressed upon them should they ever come to exist
<mparodi_>
so it's crashing with erros like this: You cannot specify the same gem twice with different version requirements. You specified: rails (= 3.2.6) and rails (= 2.3.14) (Bundler::DslError)
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<mparodi_>
is there any problem if I increase the versions in the plugin Gemfile? maybe some incompatibilities..
<blazes816>
mparodi_: rails 3 doesn't use plugins anymore, so probably
<blazes816>
what plugin are you trying to use?
<mparodi_>
no no, it's a plugin of the application I installed (redmine)
<BlakeRG>
is json decoding/encoding apart of the ruby core or do i need a "gem" for that?
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<blazes816>
@JonnieCache because I totally thought redmine was an ide until just now
<blazes816>
:x
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<burgestrand>
BlakeRG: it’s part of ruby stdlib in 1.9
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<burgestrand>
BlakeRG: being part of stdlib means you need to require 'json' before you use it
<BlakeRG>
burgestrand: thanks, i think i just figured that out
<BlakeRG>
burgestrand: how do i debug what fields are decoded?
<burgestrand>
BlakeRG: what do you mean?
<BlakeRG>
after i json.parse() my json data i want to see what fields exist
<burgestrand>
BlakeRG: you can expect it to be either a hash (key -> value) or an array. I’d look at it in pry/irb to see what the json data contains. However if you need to dynamically figure that out you can use the methods available on hash/array.
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<BlakeRG>
burgestrand: thanks let me try that out.. sorry it's my first day with ruby after 9 years with PHP
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<BlakeRG>
how do i get the data type of something?
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<JonnieCache|home>
BlakeRG: obj.class
<JonnieCache|home>
BlakeRG: you generally shouldnt need to though
<JonnieCache|home>
as in, you should generally write your code in such as way that you dont need to
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<BlakeRG>
JonnieCache: thanks, just debugging
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<mparodi_>
you know, I'm getting the message " Could not find gem 'shoulda (~> 2.11) ruby' in the gems available on this machine. (Bundler::GemNotFound)" but shoulda is installed: http://paste.kde.org/536984
<mparodi_>
what am I missing?
<mparodi_>
I know the version is not the same but can I install 2.11?
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<apeiros_>
3.1.1 is too new
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<apeiros_>
~> 2.11 means between 2.11.0 and 2.11.X afair
<Mon_Ouie>
No, it means >= 2.11 and < 3.0
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<mparodi_>
that's what gem gave me
<mparodi_>
gem install shoulda
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<Mon_Ouie>
You need to specifically ask for an older version
<apeiros_>
or just install your bundle by using bundler
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<mparodi_>
there's no "version" parameter in gem
<mparodi_>
what do you mean by "specifically ask"?
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<apeiros_>
you may want to give `gem help install` another go
<mparodi_>
I did
<apeiros_>
because the version option is certainly in there.
<Mon_Ouie>
there is, it's -v=… (at least for the short form)
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<apeiros_>
mparodi_: ` -v, --version VERSION Specify version of gem to install`
<apeiros_>
straight from gem help install…
<mparodi_>
ah, never mind.. I thought it was to get the version of gem :)
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<apeiros_>
…
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<mparodi_>
that's what -v and --version do in ANY app u.u
<Mon_Ouie>
It is for the version of gem only when you're not using a subcommand
<Mon_Ouie>
(-v often stands for verbose too)
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<mparodi_>
well, yeah, you are right
<flip_digits>
Question: how do I use IRB to find out about a particular method?
<Mon_Ouie>
What do you mean by "find out"?
<apeiros_>
flip_digits: you better use pry, makes it easier
<Mon_Ouie>
And yeah, obligatory advertisement for Pry :)
<apeiros_>
but in irb: obj.method(:name).source_location
<apeiros_>
or .owner
<flip_digits>
Mon_Ouie: like what params it takes and such
<apeiros_>
or .parameters
<apeiros_>
anyway, pry
<apeiros_>
? obj.method # gives you the docs
<flip_digits>
apeiros_ is it the same in pry, I'm actually using pry
<shevy>
you can query how many arguments it takes via .arity or something like that
<apeiros_>
flip_digits: it is the same in pry. what I showed you is plain ruby
<flip_digits>
apeiros_ that's the info I was looking for thanks!
<apeiros_>
but pry provides more advanced features
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<anoldhacker>
I'm having trouble installing a built ruby 2.0: "executable host ruby is required. use --with-baseruby option" (This is with rvm). I try using the option with make install, and I get "unrecognized option"
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<BlakeRG>
is the :: operator a way the statically call a method?
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<Mon_Ouie>
There's no such thing as static methods in Ruby, we have class methods
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<Mon_Ouie>
Which, from a certain point of views, are instance methods too
<Mon_Ouie>
:: is mostly commonly used to retrieve constants, as in Foo::Bar
<BlakeRG>
example: EventMachine::run
<Mon_Ouie>
But you can use it instead of "." to call any method you want: foo::to_s and foo.to_s are the exact same things
<BlakeRG>
why not EventMachine.run() ?
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<Mon_Ouie>
You can use that too
<BlakeRG>
they are the same?
<BlakeRG>
ahhh
<Mon_Ouie>
Yeah. It's actually more common to reserve "::" for constant lookup and "." for method calls
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<anoldhacker>
How is the version string exposed in ruby?
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<blazes816>
Mon_Ouie: I've always though of :: as a 'scope resoluter'. any links to more information about what it actually is? in technical, low-level ruby terms? i.e. how the interpreter sees and uses it?
<shevy>
anoldhacker sounds as if you do not use a stable version of ruby
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<anoldhacker>
Today, I'm at the HEAD of trunk....
<anoldhacker>
So, no.
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<anoldhacker>
I'm having trouble testing some functionality, and I want to ensure that at least I'm running what I think I'm running.
<shevy>
those ruby checkouts will require a ruby installation
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<shevy>
I typically use these configure options: "--enable-load-relative --enable-pthread --disable-shared --enable-install-doc --with-static-linked-ext"
<shevy>
last time I checked out trunk, ~12 days ago, it compiled without problem
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<BlakeRG>
how does the parser distinguish between a variable and a constant? all caps?
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<shevy>
a constant starts with an upcased character
<anoldhacker>
Compile is fine. Tests are all good (except known bugs). make install doesn't like me.
<shevy>
Foo is a constant as is FOO
<anoldhacker>
I didn't use any configure options.
<shevy>
BlakeRG, in some ways, a constant is a variable too. you can reassign to a constant in ruby
<shevy>
anoldhacker odd
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<BlakeRG>
technically you can change the content of a constant but ruby will give a warning correct?
<JonnieCache|home>
yep
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<shevy>
yeah it is a bit odd
<JonnieCache|home>
there is .freeze as well
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<shevy>
the ruby constants are only semi-constants
<BlakeRG>
right
<anoldhacker>
The only constant in ruby: The inheritance chain behind super. :D
<shevy>
JonnieCache, do
<shevy>
argh there are two JonnieCaches
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<blazes816>
shevy: how is something 'semi' constant? ;)
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<shevy>
blazes816 I think in other language you can not change a constant
<otters>
you can't really stop people from changing constants
<bperry>
make them a symbol
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<bperry>
ah nm
<shevy>
hehe
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<Mon_Ouie>
blazes816: It's really more of a matter of grammar (again :p)
<Mon_Ouie>
About "::" I mean
<Mon_Ouie>
If it's followed by a constant name, it's that scope resolver operator you mentioned — unless that constant name is actually used as a method name
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<Mon_Ouie>
Like when there are arguments or parens
<blazes816>
Mon_Ouie: ah, context!
<BlakeRG>
so there's no such thing as a "static method
<Mon_Ouie>
e.g. Integer(), Array 3, Array(4)
<blazes816>
shevy: I know, it was just kidding because either you can change it and it isn't constant, or you can't and it is
<blazes816>
there isn't really an in-between, other than ruby giving warnings
<blazes816>
or perhaps, a semi-constant would mean you can change it up to N times.
<blazes816>
which would be weird :s
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<BlakeRG>
just discovered PrettyPrint :)
<BlakeRG>
when i run the puts method on something it gets casted to a string correct?
<BlakeRG>
or at least, it tries to get casted
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<JonnieCache|home>
it calls .to_s on it
<JonnieCache|home>
either that or inspect i cant remember
<BlakeRG>
nice
<JonnieCache|home>
they are often the same
<JonnieCache|home>
a key part of the ruby type system is that a lot of classes have .to_ methods that convert them to common types, and crucially those types have the same methods, so floats have .to_i but so so integers.
<JonnieCache|home>
so you can call .to_i knowing you will either get an integer if its any number type or anything else that could reasonably be an integer
<BlakeRG>
excellent
<JonnieCache|home>
or you will get an exception
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<BlakeRG>
you guys are a huge help
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<JonnieCache|home>
if you have a variable and you think its a string but youre worried it might be a symbol, you can just call .to_s and not worry
<JonnieCache|home>
thats kind of the essence of duck typing in a way
<JonnieCache|home>
they way ive just phrased it doesnt make it sound very robust though :/
<JonnieCache|home>
thats where tests come in
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<apeiros_>
JonnieCache|home: hm, bad example IMO
<apeiros_>
to_s is a possible conversion
<apeiros_>
conversions should be done by the "user"
<BlakeRG>
in ruby, even data types are classes no?
<JonnieCache|home>
Class.class == Class
<JonnieCache|home>
:)
<apeiros_>
BlakeRG: things like String, Array, Hash are classes, yes
<apeiros_>
and as JonnieCache|home just pointed out, even the class Class is a Class
<BlakeRG>
very cool
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<apeiros_>
and all classes are objects…
<apeiros_>
and Object is a class
<apeiros_>
I hope I confused you enough with that :)
<JonnieCache|home>
as youre probably suspecting, there is a cheat in there somewhere
<JonnieCache|home>
which you'll find if you keep calling .superclass on things
<BlakeRG>
nope, makes perfect sense to me actually
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<anoldhacker>
The cheat is that Class isn't really a class...
<anoldhacker>
Just try class A < Class
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<anoldhacker>
:P
<workmad3>
anoldhacker: well yeah... Class isn't a class... it's an object
<workmad3>
anoldhacker: classes are instances of Class :)
<workmad3>
Class.class is an oddity though :)
<BlakeRG>
how do i access an element of a hash? ['foo'] ?
<anoldhacker>
Not really. Class IS a Class for most purposes.
<anoldhacker>
Just not that one.
<JonnieCache|home>
yes but you should use symbols as hash keys
<JonnieCache|home>
for performance reasons
<workmad3>
anoldhacker: class Foo < Class.new
<apeiros_>
anoldhacker: from rubys side, there is no cheat. the cheat is in C
<apeiros_>
Class.new.is_a?(Class) # the main property of classes is there, it can be instanciated
<apeiros_>
*instantiated
<anoldhacker>
Class.new is NOT class. It is an anonymous instance of Class--that is, a class. So sure, that works.
<apeiros_>
um, yes, the result of Class.new certainly is a class.
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<anoldhacker>
I was responding to workmad3.
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<apeiros_>
funny enough, you can subclass Module (which is Class' superclass)
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<anoldhacker>
Huh. I'm pretty certain that is new.
<anoldhacker>
So to speak....
<workmad3>
apeiros_: fun :)
<workmad3>
apeiros_: however, what you create can't be included...
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<apeiros_>
workmad3: sure, because it's not a module
<apeiros_>
you have to instantiate it ;-)
<BlakeRG>
ok everyone, thanks for the ruby quick start help.. gotta run! thanks again!
<workmad3>
apeiros_: oh, so you do... awesome :D
<apeiros_>
remember, Module isn't a module either, it's a class. only instances of Module can be included.
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<anoldhacker>
:)
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<apeiros_>
anoldhacker: you say subclassing of class is prohibited because it internally isn't truly a class?
* apeiros_
wonders why they didn't cheat their way around that
<workmad3>
the foundation of ruby can get a bit odd and meta :)
<apeiros_>
I had cases where I would have loved to subclass Class… :-/
<anoldhacker>
I'm not certain about the real reason. I expect it has to do with the magic surrounding Class.new
<apeiros_>
went with Class.new iirc
<apeiros_>
fuck, can't type with my mushy fingers :(
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* apeiros_
accidentally his fingers… :(
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<anoldhacker>
You can go a long way using Class#inherited.
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<workmad3>
all good fun :)
<anoldhacker>
I'm having a lot of issues with trunk today. Make was running fine on Friday. Now, builds don't seem to want to happen.
<anoldhacker>
I'm getting odd file deletions & subsequent make fails.
<anoldhacker>
I tried configure with no options & with those given above. I just did a make distclean ; autoconf ; ./configure ; make. We'll see what this one does...
<anoldhacker>
(Ubuntu 10.04)
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<chare>
Ok if I want to accept credit cards in my ruby on rails app what kind of license do i have to apply for with the government
<anoldhacker>
License? We don't need no steeeekin' license!
<anoldhacker>
At least in the US.
<chare>
ok so how does accepting credit cards work for someone who has never ever even touched such an API
<anoldhacker>
You need to register your business & pay taxes...
<burgestrand>
chare: depends entirely on where you are located
<anoldhacker>
That's cheap for a lot of applications.
<chare>
not for mine
<anoldhacker>
The shopify gem is another standard option.
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<chare>
how are you suppose to sell anything cheap if you incur a 30 cent hit every transaction
<anoldhacker>
And... the fourth time's the charm...
<anoldhacker>
Now for the install...
<anoldhacker>
Happy!
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<anoldhacker>
Don't know why that didn't work the first time.... >:(
<shevy>
random bytes fluctuations
<workmad3>
chare: cheap comes at the cost of bulk...
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<workmad3>
chare: if you can't prove bulk, then you can't get cheap
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<chare>
you're telling me there is no site that will handle bulk size of YOUR choice
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<workmad3>
chare: I'm saying that the merchant banks and gateways that handle credit card transactions want their pound of flesh
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<RubyPanther>
cheap per-transaction comes with proven volume or a large annual fee.
<workmad3>
^^
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<RubyPanther>
two whole choices to build business models around :)
<chare>
so there is no service thats pure 2.9% fee with no 30 cent constant?
<RubyPanther>
If your margin was so small you couldn't afford it, you'd need to start thinking about value-added-services
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<shevy>
PROSTITUTES
<RubyPanther>
Usually I would charge at least $100 to tell somebody that, so don't say you never get anything for free.
<workmad3>
chare: I'm sure you could negotiate it, and if you came to the table with proven volume I'm sure you could get it (or close to it)
<chare>
so all this talk about microtransactions
<workmad3>
chare: but if you're just getting off the shelf services... I kinda doubt it
<chare>
thats all bs?
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<RubyPanther>
If you want cheap secure electronic payments, you could always restrict sales to Europe.
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<shevy>
or Kirgisistan
<shevy>
and trade with deer and cows
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<chare>
rubypanther: please go make a startup to handle microtransactions without this 30 cent overhead
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<RubyPanther>
Have you ever tried to do an electronic payment with a cow? The only way it works is when you use a fancy cattle prod.
<chare>
what do you mean
<workmad3>
chare: microtransactions are not bs... however, if you look, most microtransactions take place in a form other than actual currency
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<chare>
workmad3: such as?
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<RubyPanther>
chare: Why? I'd rather value-add and pay paypal to handle the details. Their new API is really nice.
<burgestrand>
Ah. You buy credits.
<workmad3>
chare: things like fb credits are a microtransaction system
<burgestrand>
Clever.
<RubyPanther>
I don't really have a desire to sell things for 25cents
<burgestrand>
A whole new world just opened up
<RubyPanther>
I even get by with a keyboard without a cents symbol
<chare>
god damn it i wish bitcoin was larger right now
<RubyPanther>
Paypal does have both micropayments and distributed payments
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<workmad3>
5% + $0.05 for paypal, a quick google reveals :)
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<chare>
OH HELL NO
<chare>
i'm no using paypal
<shevy>
are you guys using Regexp.escape() a lot
<chare>
EVER
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<workmad3>
chare: your choice
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<chare>
paypal you like give them your bank account practically to do whatever they want
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<workmad3>
chare: heh, nice to see you making such informed decisions there
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<anoldhacker>
chare: create an account just for them. Sweep it daily. Profit!
<chare>
anoldhacker: so you agree paypal can fuck you over?
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<workmad3>
chare: paypal has screwed people over in the past... but then, so have most large banking organisations
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<anoldhacker>
I agree that ANYONE you give your account information to can mess you over. Most people with any knowledge of security say to never agree to allow automatic withdrawals.
<workmad3>
chare: or have you not noticed the general state of the finance world for the last few years?
<chare>
SO BITCOIN
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<anoldhacker>
SO.. have 50% drop in value in a couple of minutes...
<apeiros_>
isn't bitcoin equivalent to just flush your money down the toilet? o0
<anoldhacker>
No. At this point, it's a collectible with an unusually high level of volatility.
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<anoldhacker>
I'm having windowing problems. I'm going to /part ways.
<chare>
I NEVER GIVE UP ON BITCOINS
* anoldhacker
parts
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<workmad3>
I'm out of power, so am out too :)
<apeiros_>
your capslock key seems stuck
<chare>
you guys too afraid to back bitcoin?
<workmad3>
chare: have fun with your idealism in the face of a greedy reality
<apeiros_>
chare: no, too sane
<workmad3>
^^
<workmad3>
chare: if I thought bitcoin could be explained to even 40% of the population of the planet in a way they'd understand, I'd take it more seriously...
<chare>
omg you guys caving in
<apeiros_>
o0
<apeiros_>
that's a misapplication of the idiom
<workmad3>
chare: we're not 'caving in'... we just never took it seriously or accepted it as a possibility
<workmad3>
chare: 'caving in' means we needed to have established a position that we're now caving in on
<apeiros_>
^ that
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<chare>
so you guys taking the easy way out?
<sebicas>
;;
<apeiros_>
again, no
<apeiros_>
I was never in
<shevy>
lol
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<chare>
so you guys are just all gonna give up on bitcoin like that?
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<apeiros_>
it's funny. everything you say implies there would have been something to begin with
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<apeiros_>
I don't give up on it either since I never believed in it in the first place.
<chare>
wow you admit you have no faith in bitcoin
<apeiros_>
lol
<apeiros_>
yes
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<canton7>
I can see that bitcoin has applications, if you convert from [local currency] to bitcoin, make your purchase, and convert back before the exchange rate fluctuates too much....
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<chare>
so you guys just gonna cave into the credit card companies and financial system without a fight
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<apeiros_>
chare: yo da rebell!
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<kekko>
ciao
<kekko>
!list
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<chare>
apeiros_ you making fun of me!
<oddmunds>
du er fremdeles ung
<oddmunds>
haha
<oddmunds>
wrong window
<apeiros_>
chare: on the danger of going OT - what's wrong with CC companies? What's wrong with financial system? (not that I I'd think there was nothing wrong)
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<shevy>
lol
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<shevy>
chare you came up with a real alternative yet?
<oddmunds>
apeiros_: not ewok
<chare>
shevy you given up too?
<shevy>
chare how can I give up on something I never started with?
<apeiros_>
oddmunds: haha, but the rest was right? :D
<oddmunds>
hehe
<shevy>
no paypal no creditcard no anything. I do however use cash
<chare>
why you guys not even trying bitcoin
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<apeiros_>
why should I? I have no use case for it and as far as I grasp it, its only current purpose is flushing your money down the toilet.
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<shevy>
chare bitcoin is like the ideal scam idea
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<chare>
bitcoins work
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<oddmunds>
chare: why are you trying to convert people into bitcoining?
<shevy>
it surely works for those who can pocket away the difference
<apeiros_>
chare: for a very broad definition of 'work'
<chare>
why you guys hate bitcoin?
<apeiros_>
I don't hate it. I just don't consider it viable.
<chare>
because it works...
<apeiros_>
chare: you're asking many questions. care to answer mine?
<apeiros_>
>> apeiros_: chare: on the danger of going OT - what's wrong with CC companies? What's wrong with financial system? (not that I I'd think there was nothing wrong)
<al2o3cr>
-e:1:in `eval': (eval):1: syntax error, unexpected ':', expecting $end (SyntaxError), apeiros_: chare: on the danger of goin..., ^, from -e:1:in `<main>'
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<apeiros_>
gah al2o3cr, shut up :-p
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<chare>
apeiros so you serve the financial system?
<apeiros_>
chare: that's not an answer. and the question is not relevant.
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<shevy>
now I understand
<shevy>
chare you are a bitcoin troll!
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<chare>
so shevy you also work for financial system?
<shevy>
chare I work for everyone but not for trolls like you
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<apeiros_>
chare: still waiting for an answer…
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<chare>
apeiros: you like the financial system?
<apeiros_>
chare: still not an answer. still not a relevant question.
<apeiros_>
if you just troll, stop it.
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<chare>
apeiros you can't stop bitcoin
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<shevy>
chare you are a bad troll
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<apeiros_>
hm, interesting
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<apeiros_>
I don't intend to stop bitcoin. I intend and can stop trolls, though.
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<shevy>
test
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<shevy>
wheeee... ruby-gnome 1.1.4 works
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