<centrx>
jglover, -I on the command line, or append to LOAD_PATH
<centrx>
jglover, $LOAD_PATH rather (variable inside Ruby)
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<jglover>
centrx: hmm can't get it to work
<jglover>
i'm very new to ruby
<jglover>
so if I went to a directory say "HelloWorld/" how would i do that?
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<bnagy>
use require_relative
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<bnagy>
that is what it's for. Messing with the load path is ugly.
<jglover>
bnagy: for class we're supposed to create just a simple gem
<jglover>
and no gems I can find have require_relate
<jglover>
relative
<jglover>
how does that work?
<bnagy>
eh?
<bnagy>
almost all gems should have require_relative :S
<bnagy>
anything written post 1.9 world anyway
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<jglover>
bnagy: [#ruby] bnagy: so I've been looking through
<jglover>
woops sorry
<jglover>
<jglover>
ugh
<benzrf|oppressed>
lol
<jglover>
well im trying to paste the active record code
<jglover>
not working
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<jglover>
soryr github link
<jglover>
anyways, it doesn't have require_relative
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<bnagy>
AR is not a good example of.. pretty much anything
<jglover>
haha ok then.
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<jglover>
so requie relative is ok in gems?
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<bnagy>
the best super basic walkthrough of a simple gem is in learn ruby the hard way imho
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<bnagy>
because it uses no tools, no bundler, no viral crap etc
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<jglover>
bnagy: perfect. ill look at it now. thanks
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<bnagy>
he has a lot of non-idiomatic ruby in some of the exercises, though, so it has some issues to use as your sole guide
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<bnagy>
anyway, the load path is a shared resource ( everything in the interpreter ), your gem should be polite and not mess with it - you know where your own stuff is, so just require_relative 'lib/blah'
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<bnagy>
haha
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<Fridurmus>
Is there a good way to get 2.1.1 running on Windows?
<havenwood>
Fridurmus: ruby-installer will presumably be releasing a new version now that 2.1.1 is out
<havenwood>
Fridurmus: 2.1.0 had a blocking bug or two for ruby-installer but they were resolved in 2.1.1
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<gr33n7007h>
bnagy, if finally works b='F0:1C:13:E4:7F:96'.split(/:/).map{|n| n.to_i(16)}.reverse;s=Socket.new(31,1,3);saddr=[31,0,*b,6,0].pack("C*");s.connect(saddr)
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<havenwood>
FifthWall: i believe you can build ruby-installer with 2.1.1 yourself for now, but a binary should be forthcoming
<benzrf|oppressed>
gr33n7007h: why are you using /:/ instead of ':'
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<invinceable>
how do i create a multi-word hash value? person = {'Lead Owner': nil}
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<gr33n7007h>
benzrf|oppressed, no reason just choice I suppose
<invinceable>
{owner: nil} works, but when i try to put it into quotations doesn't work.
<invinceable>
what gives?
<havenwood>
invinceable: person = {:'Lead Owner' => nil}
<invinceable>
havenwood: ah needs to go before. thank you.
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<havenwood>
invinceable: yeah, 1.9+ syntax doesn't work with with a stringified symbol
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<invinceable>
havenwood: gotcha, thank you. using 2.1 and loving it so far. came from php
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<havenwood>
invinceable: nice, welcome!!
<benzrf|oppressed>
invinceable: the general syntax for hashes is {key => value}
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<benzrf|oppressed>
invinceable: {foo: bar} is a special sugar for {:foo => bar}
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<bnagy>
gr33n7007h: well done!
<invinceable>
benzrf|oppressed: ahhh really? ok whoops. i've been using {foo:bar} for the last few days. will change that now.
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<gr33n7007h>
bnagy, that's what perseverance leads to :)
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<bnagy>
if you're going to do a lot with raw binary you might want to look at bindata
<benzrf|oppressed>
invinceable: nothing wrong with foo: baroquebobcat
<benzrf|oppressed>
*foo: bar
<bnagy>
it is pretty awesome for avoiding pack insanity
<benzrf|oppressed>
it's just not what you use for anything other than symbols
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<gr33n7007h>
bnagy, I'll look into it thanks
<invinceable>
benzrf|oppressed: got it, thanks.
<benzrf|oppressed>
:)
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<invinceable>
havenwood: and thanks! loving it so far.
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<gr33n7007h>
bnagy, RubyPanther thanks again for pointing me in the right direction :D
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<bnagy>
no probs
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<itadder_>
hi any reason you know why cs50 edx havard course choose not to use ruby
<itadder_>
instead went with C
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<shevy>
test
<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, probably tradition.
<itadder_>
oh
<havenwood>
itadder_: a more conservative choice
<itadder_>
he pretty funny also
<itadder_>
I like how they created a VM applaince just for that class
<itadder_>
all the tool are already set up for you
<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, although its a little more difficult to do properly, it really introduces many fewer ideas than a language like ruby.
<itadder_>
just need to use it in vmware and yoru done
<itadder_>
oh
<itadder_>
but for a newbie like me it has a lot of syntax
<jack_rabbit>
C is really a very simple language. Ruby is not.
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<jack_rabbit>
Syntax aside. :)
<itadder_>
unlike ruby one liners
<itadder_>
oh wow
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<itadder_>
well c is not object orinated or is it
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<tongcx>
what's usage of json web token?
<jack_rabbit>
Well. C is object oriented in a sense.
<jack_rabbit>
It just doesn't have syntactic constructs for polymorphism or inheritance, etc.
<bnagy>
uh
<itadder_>
but it easier to teach ruby I assume Ic clound be wrong
<bnagy>
wat
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<benzrf|oppressed>
c is much simpler than RubyPanther
<benzrf|oppressed>
*ruby
<benzrf|oppressed>
c is a very simple language
<benzrf|oppressed>
tongcx: context?
<itadder_>
oh I always thought c was more complex to code in
<tongcx>
benzrf|oppressed: authentification
<itadder_>
because of syntax
<xuisc>
hey havenwood
<shevy>
itadder_ yes, programmers must know C else they are incompetent
<xuisc>
itadder_:
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<xuisc>
hey shevy
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<xuisc>
shevy: Im that guy thats going to start learning ruby
<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, it's difficult to code correctly, but the language itself is not very complicated.
<itadder_>
ahh which is why that famous course is teaching c to 101 people
<xuisc>
we talked a few weeks ago or a mont hago
<xuisc>
:)
<itadder_>
jack_rabbit: ahh
<xuisc>
I like how ruby looks so far
<itadder_>
and ruby is coded in C right jack_rabbit
<itadder_>
yea
<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, probably.
<bnagy>
MRI is in C
<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, C is also coded in C.
<itadder_>
hahahah
<jack_rabbit>
So is unix and linux.
<itadder_>
and windows
<benzrf|oppressed>
and X and most GNU stuff
<itadder_>
I heard windows was coded in freebsd in C a
<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, well, part of linux.
<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, well, part of *windows8
<jack_rabbit>
*
<jack_rabbit>
damn.
<centrx>
itadder_, C is a good way of teaching how the computer really works. Higher-level languages cover up a lot of it.
<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, the NT kernel is mostly C, but most everything else is C++.
<itadder_>
centrx: yea that guy from cs50 class is trying to teach the student how computer works
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<itadder_>
.net c++ is not so great
<itadder_>
for some reason I am bias against .net
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<itadder_>
at work every .net upgrade breaks something
<itadder_>
but I guess the same can be said about ruby
<jack_rabbit>
I'd prefer .net to java if it had multi-platform support.
<xuisc>
hey centrx
<itadder_>
I thought c# was multi-platofrm
<itadder_>
it offers web services
<Steve445>
Hey any of you guys use GitHub or GitLab at work?
<xuisc>
Steve445: nope Im learning it
<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, C might not be the best language to teach in a 101 class, but it's probably there because of legacy.
<xuisc>
#github can help
<Steve445>
Anyone use GH or GL to manage projects?
<Steve445>
issue queues, milestones etc
<itadder_>
oh
<itadder_>
do you think ruby would be best lang
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<itadder_>
or maybe schemes
<tongcx>
another thing is that i didn't see much keypair based authentification in any framework
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<itadder_>
I do not recall c++ and I took it in college,
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<Steve445>
you often see Java or Python being taught as well
<tongcx>
but that should be pretty secure and easy to follow
<tongcx>
just wonder why
<itadder_>
I took c++, java, java script, Assembly in college and visual basic but I don't recall them
<Steve445>
C, when the prof has not updated their slides in "forever"
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<itadder_>
my school thought c++
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<itadder_>
but the following year they switched to java
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<itadder_>
for my IT major I had to take visual basic and java and assembly also
<benzrf|oppressed>
VB?
<benzrf|oppressed>
:I
<itadder_>
this was 10 years ago
<itadder_>
2001
<itadder_>
acutally 2005
<itadder_>
opps
<jack_rabbit>
They still teach assembly
<itadder_>
but still
<itadder_>
they did
<Steve445>
Vb6 is a great lang to teach on
<centrx>
I think C is the best language to teach in an intro class, for students who are interested.
<benzrf|oppressed>
Steve445: u wot m8
<itadder_>
My professor I think was from india or iran
<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, no, I'm saying they're still teaching assembly today.
<itadder_>
oh
<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, it's good stuff to know.
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<itadder_>
I don't recall anything
<benzrf|oppressed>
centrx: i believe and will continue to believe that python is the one true first language
<centrx>
Schools use other languages to "attract" students to the major, or witless non-majors.
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<havenwood>
benzrf|oppressed: s/python/ruby
<itadder_>
the math deparment requried us in caclulus 1 and 2 to do some homework in matlab
<benzrf|oppressed>
havenwood: nope
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<benzrf|oppressed>
python lets you do basic imperative/procedural stuff
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<benzrf|oppressed>
and has simpler semantics and syntax v RubyPanther
<benzrf|oppressed>
*ruby
<itadder_>
which was to produce some graph and source code... I am not sure what the code did, I just got help from a friend andchanged the variables
<itadder_>
I was bad
<benzrf|oppressed>
also, ruby requires you to be all objecty and idiomatic code needs you to use blocks
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<benzrf|oppressed>
it's too much to teach all at once imo
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<droptone>
#RoR is slow right now, any of you Ruby experts happen to work with Devise and Rails 4?
<jack_rabbit>
I've never cared for matlab.
<itadder_>
and you also need to teach rails I guess in the 102 class
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<itadder_>
I don't see thepoint of paying so much money for college, when a lot of classes esp for COMP SCI are free on coursera or edx
<itadder_>
jack_rabbit: nor did I, but I want to learn is r-lang
<Steve445>
itadder_ thats recent change
<benzrf|oppressed>
droptone: ill look!
<droptone>
my hero.
<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, never heard of it.
<itadder_>
to bad you only get a cert not a real degree unless you pay for it
<jack_rabbit>
oh, wait!
<itadder_>
it a stats lang
<jack_rabbit>
R, yeah!
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<benzrf|oppressed>
droptone: i dont know rails oops
<droptone>
So, backstory, that's my simple Rails 3.2.x custom routes in Devise code that works fine, except it appears Rails 4 checks for duplicate routes and errors out if they exist
<itadder_>
I think it the open source version of something like matlab
<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, I've looked at it. Didn't care much for it either.
<droptone>
haha, ok, thanks just the same.
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<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, too domain-specific for my liking.
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<itadder_>
yea
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<itadder_>
the only two lang I know some what are ruby and powershell
<itadder_>
I am so lazy
<jack_rabbit>
powershell sucks.
<jack_rabbit>
(IMO)
<itadder_>
LOL
<itadder_>
well I have no choose at work
<jack_rabbit>
:)
<itadder_>
it beats vb script
<jack_rabbit>
well, just by a bit.
<Steve445>
Ok, so ya, looking for people that use GitHub or GitLab at work or on projects where they would track their time that they worked on projects
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<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, I used to work exclusively on windows, maintaining a bunch of old vbscript server maintainance stuff.
<itadder_>
oh unlucky you
<itadder_>
I want to get out of that world
<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, I tried to interface new powershell stuff with old vbscript stuff, and it was a pain in the ass.
<itadder_>
windows scares me
<xuisc>
itadder_: heh
<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, yeah. Just move to linux.
<xuisc>
me too
<itadder_>
I have a ex coworker who is a great friend
<itadder_>
he a PRO at powershell
<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, I moved to linux like 5 years ago, and it's wonderful.
<itadder_>
He also has this memory like no one else
<itadder_>
he can speed read and learn something in hour
<itadder_>
one
<itadder_>
jack_rabbit: I bet
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<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, are you on linux at home?
<itadder_>
I like powershell but it not as good as ruby
<itadder_>
:)
<itadder_>
well I use mac osx
<jack_rabbit>
:) well you can learn bash then.
<itadder_>
i ALWAYS been a apple fan
<jack_rabbit>
bash scripting is UGLY.
<itadder_>
I have zsh
<jack_rabbit>
but it's way better than anything on windows.
<itadder_>
yea sure is
<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, same thing. zsh is a little nicer.
<BeingUntoDeath>
can someone point me how to get out of console in ruby? in VS i used windowsformapps to make a window... wondering how to do someone similar in ruby.
<itadder_>
someone ported powershell to unix
<itadder_>
did you know that
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<itadder_>
but the projects been dead for years
<Steve445>
CTRL + C
<havenwood>
pash
<itadder_>
yes pash, but havenwood it dead
<jack_rabbit>
BeingUntoDeath, CTRL+C or CTRL+D
<havenwood>
itadder_: it seems alive
<itadder_>
I heard that google admins use ruby to manager thier end user macs
<jack_rabbit>
Huh. Does it use Mono or something? I thought powershell relied a lot on .net.
<BeingUntoDeath>
i mean how to create a separate pane outside of the cmd.exe that i'm running my .rb in, like a window that i can put buttons in, etc.
<havenwood>
jack_rabbit: written in C#, yes mono
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<itadder_>
what about WMI classes
<itadder_>
thier no WMI in unix
<jack_rabbit>
indeed.
<itadder_>
is thier a good ruby interpertor for IOS for my iphone
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<itadder_>
many times in the buss or walking somwhere I would like to test some code I learned and tinker with it,but IOS is locked down I can't get to a tty session
<centrx>
itadder_, JRuby compiles Ruby into JVM bytecode. MRI is still interpreted even if it is written in C.
<centrx>
itadder_, Also there are other advantages to JRuby like true multithreading
<BeingUntoDeath>
right there with you <xuisc>
<jack_rabbit>
itadder_, right. It's a tradeoff. If you want to program native code, you can probably make it faster than something on the JVM. If you want to program ruby, you can use jRuby to leverage the JVM's awesomeness.
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<havenwood>
and of the non-Java langs on the JVM, JRuby really shines with invoke dynamic etc
<itadder_>
plus jvm has a lot of security issues and gnu gcc not as much
<jack_rabbit>
well... That's not quite true.
<itadder_>
oh
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<havenwood>
Clojure doesn't have anything like JRuby invoke dynamic support.
<jack_rabbit>
gcc is perfectly happy to compile security-hole-ridden code for you.
<xuisc>
BeingUntoDeath: thanks
<xuisc>
:)
<xuisc>
I love RUby
<xuisc>
its the future and much freindlier according to my freind at Google
<jack_rabbit>
havenwood, clojure is already dynamic.
<xuisc>
Im learning it
<havenwood>
jack_rabbit: it would get performance benefits from leveraging invoke dynamic
<jack_rabbit>
havenwood, that's probably very true. :) Right now I think it uses a lot of reflection.
<havenwood>
jack_rabbit: also, JRuby research in the Truffle direction is very interesting
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<havenwood>
jack_rabbit: but <3 clojure :)
<jack_rabbit>
:)
<jack_rabbit>
Hopefully the JVM will add proper TCO soon.
<havenwood>
mm
<BeingUntoDeath>
can someone help me with this? I'm wondering how to open a form or window with ruby...
<havenwood>
BeingUntoDeath: form or window? whatcha mean?
<BeingUntoDeath>
i heard there can be problems with ruby and windows...
<centrx>
BeingUntoDeath, Try Ruby Shoes ?
<BeingUntoDeath>
like how with C# in VS you just reference windowsformapplication
<BeingUntoDeath>
which is where you put components
<BeingUntoDeath>
thank you very much guys. :)
<xuisc>
thaks again guys
<xuisc>
:)
<xuisc>
BeingUntoDeath: I'll start Ruby later thsis week or tommrow
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<BeingUntoDeath>
yeah? i've been coding for... four days.
<BeingUntoDeath>
lol.
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<BeingUntoDeath>
used easymode on DW for webdev back in the day... wasted 4yrs getting a BS in psych.. and now i realize... IT is where i should have been going all along.
<BeingUntoDeath>
and i agree, ruby is nice...
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<jack_rabbit>
if you want to make money, there's a lot to be made in technology.
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<godd2>
It's not totally wasted, having a degree gets you in doors in general.
<havenwood>
godd2: agreed, not worthless
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<BeingUntoDeath>
^^^ thanks.
<BeingUntoDeath>
lets hope not.
<havenwood>
godd2: even if not in CS :O
<godd2>
ESPECIALLY if it's not CS :P
<havenwood>
godd2: :)
<havenwood>
srsly
<BeingUntoDeath>
gonna shadow a guy who does mobile dev with ruby... hopefully get a job with him once i learn it.
<havenwood>
BeingUntoDeath: MobiRuby or RubyMotion?
<havenwood>
BeingUntoDeath: or webapps?
<BeingUntoDeath>
NO idea, what do you mean?
<godd2>
BeingUntoDeath: don't forget, learning programming takes a lifetime :)
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<havenwood>
BeingUntoDeath: Oh, those are ways to do mobile apps in iOS/Android in Ruby, i was just curious.
<BeingUntoDeath>
godd2: i realize that, lol. sucks to hear when you put it that way.. i just need enough basics for a job.
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<BeingUntoDeath>
havenwood: excellent, thank you. i will look into what they use so i can use tthe same. very helpful.
<godd2>
BeingUntoDeath: also, if you're a visual learner, Lynda.com has some amazing Ruby and Ruby on Rails video tutorials
<BeingUntoDeath>
so why do I need Jruby or JDK to do windows forms? are there alternatives to this?
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<havenwood>
BeingUntoDeath: You don't need to, you could use a different version of shoes or not use shoes at all. It is just a well-supported way.
<BeingUntoDeath>
and are there forms you can open with ruby that don't require this.. as in, maybe they're not "windows" forms?
<BeingUntoDeath>
i see!
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<xuisc>
hey BeingUntoDeath maybe we can learn from each other
<xuisc>
:)
<xuisc>
Im new and your new
<xuisc>
:P
<godd2>
pair programming ftw
<BeingUntoDeath>
sure thing brother. noobs unite.
<BeingUntoDeath>
good thing these guys are so helpful. :)
<xuisc>
haha
<xuisc>
sure
<xuisc>
nice to meet ya
<godd2>
as long as you don't ask us about models, views, and controllers, we're usually pretty nice
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<xuisc>
godd2: pretty sure as a starter I wont :)
<havenwood>
godd2: #RubyOnRails OMGWTFBBQ!!!
<xuisc>
I just love ruby for some reason :P
<xuisc>
the name and its Japanese
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<BeingUntoDeath>
i don't get that godd2... lol. hope i don't on accident!
<BeingUntoDeath>
that's not what i'm asking about with these forms is it?
<godd2>
BeingUntoDeath: don't worry, if you do, it will be on purpose :0
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<BeingUntoDeath>
ahh! ;) i see.
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<BeingUntoDeath>
so if not JDK or JRuby, Shoes, etc... what other ways are there to open a new form outside of the console with ruby? is there a simple answer for this?
<BeingUntoDeath>
i'd like to take my code out of console and do some degree of design...
<b1nd>
How do I create a ruby array to do something like this, because I see several examples online where they have, bar.each do |foo|; puts foo.url; puts foo.title;
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<benzrf|oppressed>
o
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<b1nd>
however, I do not see how they instate that object
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<benzrf|oppressed>
uh huh
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<benzrf|oppressed>
oh
<benzrf|oppressed>
why not just use a hash though?
<benzrf|oppressed>
it might be a struct
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<b1nd>
basically, I have some url/titles how can i store them/
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<benzrf|oppressed>
use a struct or somethin
<benzrf|oppressed>
or even
<benzrf|oppressed>
a hash??
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<centrx>
*gasp*
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<b1nd>
example please
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<benzrf|oppressed>
info = {:url => something, :title => something_else}
<benzrf|oppressed>
or {url: something, title: something_else} for short
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<godd2>
of course, if you want it to be so that you can say foo.url instead of foo[:url], then you ahve to make a class, or as benzrf|oppressed said, a struct (which is quick and dirty special kind of class)
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<BeingUntoDeath>
toretore: thank you!
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<pontiki>
hi folks
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<stupidystupid>
Hey guys ... I am doing a ruby school... I am abit stuck on something, it's in Sinatra, can anyone help with that?
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<obbo>
hello. what's a good way to go about getting an array of dates for the start and end of each week of a year? for instance: [ [2014-03-09, 2014-03-15] ] for this week, starting on sunday?
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<eri_>
hi
<stupidystupid>
hi!!
<eri_>
somebody here can help me to install ruby on debian
<eri_>
?
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<nso95>
eri_: Google can
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<eri_>
yes i do man
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<eri_>
hahaha
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<eri_>
if i come here its becose google cant do
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<eri_>
or im look like stupid cuz im come here and ask for help?? nso95 ??
<nso95>
eri_: stupid? no.
<eri_>
ok
<nso95>
but we can't help you any more than a tutorial you find
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<eri_>
if somebody can help me im try to install ruby on debian
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<eri_>
nso95: this is your opinion
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<nso95>
The majority opinion
<eri_>
if you cant maybe somebody can
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<eri_>
wow i think the people make this channels to support
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<eri_>
or this is the idea of this
<eri_>
but you talk for the majory
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<eri_>
right now your are here for nothing
<eri_>
have a good night
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<BeingUntoDeath>
do you install a gem through interactive ruby? as in "gem install shoes". i get undefined variable error
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<bnagy>
don't do it from irb, just from the command prompt
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<rihbyne>
hello anyone there
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<rihbyne>
hello I have got ruby version 2.0.0p353. I am trying to install a package using ruby gems gives unknownhost error
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<rihbyne>
hello anyone there
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<BeingUntoDeath>
rihbyne: much like my problem...!
<rihbyne>
BeingUntoDeath: you have solutions
<rihbyne>
I dont use ruby btw
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<rihbyne>
but I need to for a pakage.
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<robertjpayne>
While ruby is running is it possible to get the path to the stdlib gems?
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<hermanmu_>
robertjpayne: try "$LOAD_PATH"
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<hermanmu_>
robertjpayne: $LOAD_PATH is an array of paths to be searched
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<robertjpayne>
thanks got it!
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<rubyduby>
for noobs, like to grasp the basic concepts of ruby. which books are good?
<arubin>
rubyduby: Are you new to programming or new to Ruby?
<rubyduby>
i am new to programming.
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<arubin>
I am not sure.
<rubyduby>
well, any material which can cover basic concepts thoroughly.
<rubyduby>
ok, thank you.. well i have read it, i know some basic concepts, but some concepts were difficult to grasp, so i was hoping for another good refrence to look onto... thanks btw.
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<kukyakya>
How do i prevent #eval or #load from corrupting global variables?
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<rodayo>
This is something that I came up with in my head...suppose that I call one of class B's functions from class A. Is there a way for class B to check what type the caller is and then access one of its properties?
<rodayo>
I'm asking if there's a technical programming term for that feature
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<canton7>
'dirty', 'horrible', and 'don't do this' come to mind :)
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<BeingUntoDeath>
does shoes work for you guys? I'm getting "Sorry, this gem currently does nothing. Team shoes is working on it." etc
<BeingUntoDeath>
if not, can you recommend a GUI framework?
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<gaussblurinc>
hi! is this code normal? raise "parameter is not an Array" unless param.is_a?(Array) ?
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<crome>
gaussblurinc: in an ideal world you dont test for type but for interface
<crome>
it doesnt really matter if param is an array as long as it has #each or whatever you want on it
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<popl>
In an ideal world all the cops have wooden legs and the trees are full of fruit.
<popl>
alas
<crome>
one can always try
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<gaussblurinc>
puts "all files have been already removed!" and return if array.empty? - why this code doesn't work as it should?
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<bnagy>
it does
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<gaussblurinc>
bnagy: not, it doesn't. it only print message
<bnagy>
that's what it should do?
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<gaussblurinc>
puts "all files have been already removed!" and return if array.empty?
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<gaussblurinc>
puts "can't print this message"
<bnagy>
ohhh you mean 'why doesn't this do what I thought it would do'
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<gaussblurinc>
bnagy: yes :)
<bnagy>
because just write your code properly instead of trying to do silly oneliners
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<workmad3>
bnagy: but oneliners are *fun*!!!
<bnagy>
and binds weirdly
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<bnagy>
so and PLUS postfix if is just asking for a headache
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<gaussblurinc>
bnagy: I think that this is legacy of language not a "sugar"
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<bnagy>
if whatever \n do\n stuff\n end
<workmad3>
gaussblurinc: 'puts' will always return nil
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<workmad3>
gaussblurinc: and then 'and' has massively lower binding, so your line 'puts "all files have been already removed!" and return if array.empty?' is '(puts "all files have been already removed!") and (return if array.empty?)' (and shows why oneliners aren't a beginner thing and can cause confusion ;) )
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<bnagy>
my explanation was shorter
<workmad3>
gaussblurinc: that would then be '(nil) and (return if array.empty?)', and the 'and' will then always short-circuit (nil and anything is false) so the result is a line that will always print and never return
<workmad3>
bnagy: your explanation missed that even if the 'if' applied to the entire line, it would *still* never return because 'puts' returns nil ;)
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<bnagy>
well to be fair my explanation was more or less 'just don't do that'
<workmad3>
bnagy: true :)
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<bnagy>
but I am full of beer and sumo
<bnagy>
and should be in bed
<bnagy>
o/
<workmad3>
bnagy: nn ;)
<gaussblurinc>
bnagy: goodnight :)
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<nkts>
Hi, who could me hint how to convert ruby hash to java properties config like stucture?
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<etqqkoiflwhb____>
nkts: config like structure?
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<etqqkoiflwhb____>
do you want something like config.key instead of config['key']
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<etqqkoiflwhb____>
https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9480735, I'm writing a module with some helpers for carrier wave, writing a spec for it, is the explicit use of subject to refer to the host class an acceptable convention?
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<puppeh>
does anyone knows how can I use a debugger (e.g. 'binding.pry') on a unicorn worker?
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<gneral>
hi
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<Polysics>
hello! is there any gem that will turn "2007" into "two thousand seven" and "1937" into "nineteen thirty seven"?
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<Polysics>
or 1907 into nineteen oh seven
<Polysics>
basically, the year pronounciation
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<Polysics>
I am not even sure 1907 is like that in English :P
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<shevy>
dunno
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<shevy>
I always thought it would be "nineteenhundred - seven"
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<Polysics>
me too, but I come from Italy :)
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<Advocation>
I have a load of JSON files that make up an old database - I'm trying parse them and build them up to import them into my DB. Is there any way I can get foreign records through their ID? For example, a house table and a rooms table, a with a link table between them..
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<dawkirst>
perhaps a stupid question, but where in a ruby app do I require my gems?
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<apeiros>
dawkirst: in the files where you use them
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<apeiros>
as all other requires too
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<apeiros>
Advocation: json has no concept of "records" or "ids", or "primary keys" and "foreign keys"
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<dawkirst>
apeiros, ok, thanks. So if I have lib/foo/... and lib/foo.rb, I don't require them in foo.rb, right?
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<apeiros>
Advocation: so if you want to do such references, you must build the necessary structures and methods yourself
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<apeiros>
dawkirst: if you don't use it in foo.rb itself, then I wouldn't
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<Advocation>
apeiros: ok, do you know of any gems that can make this easier?
<dawkirst>
apeiros, ok, thanks
<apeiros>
Advocation: sqlite - read it into an in-memory db
<apeiros>
alternatively I don't see any reason not to use just plain ruby.
<apeiros>
map your json to proper classes.
<Advocation>
apeiros: yeah, that's what I'm doing.. just wondering if there was a better way :)
<apeiros>
too generic to tell
<Advocation>
ok
<Advocation>
thanks :)
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<apeiros>
but you can look on ruby-toolbox.com for tools around json and/or data transformation
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<dawkirst>
apeiros, so my problem is this: I have a file where I do `require 'data_mapper'` and in the same file I also need to do `require 'json'`, upon which a `Gem::LoadError: json found in multiple gems: json, json_pure` error is raised
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<apeiros>
dawkirst: that's a problem which is actually unrelated to your question
<apeiros>
you have more than one gem which could satisfy your require
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<dawkirst>
apeiros, meaning that in my require I need to be more specific?
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<apeiros>
your options: a) use bundler, b) uninstall one of the gems, c) explicitly activate one of the gems, using Kernel#gem method
<apeiros>
there may be more options. I'd use a) or b).
<apeiros>
c) forces the user of your code to use a specific json gem which he/she maybe doesn't want to use.
<shevy>
anyone of you using .ljust and .rjust a lot?
<dawkirst>
apeiros, ok, so does bundler-exec implicitly does c ) for me?
<apeiros>
dawkirst: yes
<apeiros>
bundler isolates your app to only use the gems you specified in the Gemfile
<dawkirst>
apeiros, so much makes sense now, thanks :)
<apeiros>
yw
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<tkilani>
hi people, I wanted to get old rss feeds from hackaday.com and wanted to know if there is some kind of parser / crawler api in ruby that would go though the site and I publishes them as rss feeds. A kind of rss proxy
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<_bart>
Hi all
<shevy>
bart!
<shevy>
how is homer
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<ocx>
hi all, i have a headless system that has an internet connection and can surf the web, i have users that do not have web access, only access to this headless system via web interface, now i want users to be able to surf the internet via this headless system (like a proxy) but mainly they would login to the headless system via webinterface send requests to a url ex: www.google.com , headless would fetch the results and show them in a new
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<ocx>
how can i do that in ruby? where should i start
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<ocx>
kind of a proxy functionality but that is web driven with results fetched in html to the users
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<_bart>
shevy: he's alright, around somewhere
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<_bart>
Does the name Bart also appear in America? I wonder how common Bart is in other countries.
<shevy>
I only ever heard if in the simpsons movies
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<jtza8>
Is there a difference between ARGV and $*?
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<apeiros>
$ ruby -e 'p ARGV.equal?($*)'
<apeiros>
true
<apeiros>
jtza8: ^ ruby says no
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<shevy>
$* looks so ugly
<jtza8>
Just wondered whether $* might be deprecated.
<shevy>
I think matz will retain it for legacy reasons and golfing, it's 2 chars shorter than ARGV after all!
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<jtza8>
Thanks for clearing that up.
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<y_gick>
I am starting programming in ruby with neurogami.com/content/neurogami-10_minutes_to_your_first_Ruby_app ...
<y_gick>
and I have really no idea of the "handlers subdirectory" where I have to put html.rb
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* y_gick
got the idea
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<shevy>
y_gick as far as ruby is concerned, just put the .rb files where a require to them will work
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<y_gick>
shevy: yes
<shevy>
if you put them into the ruby SITE_DIR path, require 'name' alone would work (or, if it is in a subdirectory there, require 'subdir/name) would)
<shevy>
in rack you could do this as a middleware, a filter between the external www world, and the internal stuff you present to them through that middleware "app"
<shevy>
you should get a clear idea what specifically you want to result though. I would recommend to write a few classes that handle the different tasks
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<ocx>
shevy: ok so i get the response of juretta.com in |f| in html format that can be then displayed in a new wiindow for the user browser?
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<shevy>
ocx well you need to split up the tasks first
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<shevy>
you want to give back the string (html is a string) to your user
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<shevy>
in rack you can do this via the response callback... I forgot the format... an array with 3 elements it is, one should be the string
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<shevy>
I dunno what you mean with "a new window for the user browser"
<shevy>
do you mean a redirect?
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<shevy>
if so you could generate a static html page and redirect to it. I am sure there are a million more ways to solve it, only you know what you really want
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<ocx>
shevy: ok i have this headless system that connects to the internet, i need to authenticate it to a hotspot system so i am trying to do so by using another client that is a pc to authenticate the headless system to the hotspot
<shevy>
sounds quite complicated :D
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<ocx>
shevy: this open-uri is similar to curl righT
<shevy>
kinda but curl should be much more advanced in the options it gives you
<shevy>
open-uri is more like a basic building block
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<speakingcode-wor>
is there a process documented to update documentation on ruby-doc.org or whatever its source is?
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<speakingcode-wor>
ah nm, found it. documenting-ruby.org
<havenwood>
speakingcode-wor: yup, oh you got the link ;)
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<rihbyne>
hello people
<speakingcode-wor>
yeah. so on the enummerable doc, for the any? method, it doesn't state that for hashes it will pass key, value to the provided block - i guess that should have been more obvious to me, but it should be documented for the sake of newcommers IMO
<rihbyne>
my host is fedora 20 and system ruby is 2.0.0p353 gems 2.2
<rihbyne>
I am trying to install a package called 'gollum'
<workmad3>
rihbyne: you don't install packages with gems... the gem needs to compile some internal stuff against a library you need to install with your package manager
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<workmad3>
rihbyne: the error message from gem told you exactly what package was missing (icu... see the *great* *big* *section* *surrounded* *by* *stars*!!!)
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<workmad3>
rihbyne: so then you go out and google how to install that package for your distro ;)
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<speakingcode-wor>
when you pass a hash to a method, if you put the explicit cury braces, you usually have to put the whole hash in parenthesis so it doesn't get confused if you're passing a hash as a method param, or appending a block to the method call, magicrails
<havenwood>
rihbyne: yeah, looks like just `icu` like everyone says, but good that you have `ruby-devel` installed
<magicrails>
yeah
<magicrails>
your right
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<magicrails>
i just removed the curly braces
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<rihbyne>
havenwood: icu too I have it installed :)
<havenwood>
moar blocks!
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<gaussblurinc>
If I know the rindex (index of last symbol occurence), how should I split string in two parts? (biggest part - left, smallest - right) ?
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<Morrolan>
Excluding the separator? Something like `s = 'abc|def|gh'; tmp = s.split('|'); [tmp[0..-2].join, tmp.last]` probably.
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<Morrolan>
If you want to include the separator, get the index where you want to split, and then something à la [s[0...index], s[index..-1]] I guess.
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<gaussblurinc>
index = element.rindex('/') path = element[0,index] name = element[index+1,element.length]
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<Morrolan>
Need to use '..' within the brackets, not a comma.
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<apeiros>
Morrolan: wrong
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<Morrolan>
Oh, it accepts either?
<apeiros>
it's different
<apeiros>
[start_offset..end_offset] vs. [start, length]
<Morrolan>
Ah.
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<apeiros>
so technically he goes out of bounds in his second one. but since ruby doesn't mind…
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<Morrolan>
Mhm, and his first one will work since he starts at the beginning of the string, but would bite him in the arse otherwise.
<shaileshg>
Hi, anyone here.. i have a table modelling related query in rails..
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<shaileshg>
I have a user which can create multiple kind of transactions such as send, request, buy and sell
<shaileshg>
However, he also wants to see his transactions history in which case I want to pull all his transactions (irrespective of type) and show it to him
<shaileshg>
should I create a polymorphic relationship between transactions and send, request, buy, sell tables?
<shaileshg>
or is there any alternative to it
<shaileshg>
?
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<shevy>
eeks rails to #rubyonrails pls man
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<shaileshg>
shevy: i put it on #rubyonrails, but no one is answering there.. maybe not enough active people
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<shevy>
the ratio of people who know rails there is still better than here
<shevy>
here you have to ask workmad3 ;-)
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<nhmood>
is it possible to use a conditional assignment operator ( a ||= b) with a hash reference
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<nhmood>
ie: myHash[:mykey] ||= something
<havenwood>
nhmood: sure
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<nhmood>
everytime I try I get a undefined local variable myHash
<havenwood>
nhmood: is `myHash` undefined?
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<nhmood>
yes, i assumed that the use of ||= was for "lazy" assignments
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<nhmood>
where it would create the var if it was undefined
<nhmood>
is that not the case with hashes?
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<nhmood>
or did i completely misunderstand ||=
<havenwood>
nhmood: it would create the key, but not the Hash
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<nhmood>
so there is no way around having a myHash = {} assignment somewhere
<havenwood>
nhmood: no point on ||= with a hash key though
<centrx>
nhmood, There is, but it would require some more context on what you're doing.
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<jhass>
nhmood: a ||= b is just a quick way to write a || a = b
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<workmad3>
shevy: ;)
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<Scriptonaut>
hmm
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<Scriptonaut>
the "+y and "*y isn't working
<Scriptonaut>
neither is the *yy
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<Scriptonaut>
it says "yanked", but it's not going into my clipboard
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<nhmood>
are there any conventions for naming variables differently based on whether they are local vars vs passed in args or anything like that?
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<centrx>
nhmood, Not that I've seen, no
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<centrx>
nhmood, The best naming convention is to say what it is/contains
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<workmad3>
centrx: I prefer to name based on how something is used (the role it plays) rather than what it contains :)
<shevy>
nhmood the best variable is _
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<nhmood>
shevy: ??
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<shevy>
nhmood _ = ''
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<workmad3>
shevy: be nice :P
<shevy>
_ << 'Hello'
<shevy>
_ << ' World!'
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<nhmood>
lolol
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<Scriptonaut>
hey guys, so I can't copy/paste through the clipboard in vim cuz I'm over ssh. But I have my code, could somebody tell me why my get parameters are neither nil or empty ?
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<Scriptonaut>
ah, there we go
<Scriptonaut>
ty
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<workmad3>
Scriptonaut: either that, or when you're assigning your variables from params, do 'params[key].first'
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<Scriptonaut>
got it working thanks
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<Scriptonaut>
you guys know why url.sub("&", "?") isn't working?
<workmad3>
Scriptonaut: did you unescape the URL yet?
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<Scriptonaut>
oh my bad, I needed sub!
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<Scriptonaut>
I haven't worked in ruby for a year or so
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<ashevaile>
i'm interested in setting up an app with can can, and authorize namespaces. docs indicate this needs some massaging -- has anyone else done this?
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<ashevaile>
am i heading for...disaster...?
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<soahccc>
ashevaile: What do you mean by namespaces here? Like you're allowed to login there and there but not here?
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<ashevaile>
soahccc: you're on the right track. i'd have an 'admin' namespace, and then a 'user' namespace
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<ashevaile>
soahccc: and then access would be controlled accordingly. users with 'admin' roles can see 'admin' namespace resources, but 'user' roles could not
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<ashevaile>
there's this:
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<ashevaile>
though i didn't want to abstract my app controller that much unless it's really worth it
<f0ster>
How can I tell if an instantiation (child, inherited) of an object has a method on it ?
<centrx>
f0ster, #respond_to?
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<yxhuvud>
f0ster: what centrx said, but the way you phrase the question makes me question that you are thinking about your problem in a well thought through way
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<f0ster>
like i have different types of error classes that inherit from a parent, and i need to see if my error object has a method on it, if i just try to even check.. object.method.blank? it errors
<soahccc>
ashevaile: So role based. well there is cantango if you want devise but otherwise it isn't really complex. The overhead in the controller is always the same, if you're doing role based or user based permissions
<slash_nick>
I just want to avoid seeing #methods.include? again ;)
<RubyPanther>
ashevaile: I use acl9 which is really an RBAC but it is called an acl (which is funny because there are a bunch of ACLs that call themselves RBAC)
<f0ster>
centrx: yeah that works.. sorry i couldnt find the documentation at first for respond_to
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<joelteon>
in my /etc/hosts file, I have "127.0.0.1 myapp.dev". if I run a server on 127.0.0.1:8081, I can't reach it using Net::HTTP.get(URI.parse("myapp.dev:8081")) but I can if I use 127.0.0.1:8081 instead. why is that?
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<joelteon>
(also if I telnet to myapp.dev 8081, that works fine)
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<f0ster>
slash_nick: can't find it :p, but I believe you
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<slash_nick>
f0ster: what do you mean?
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<f0ster>
serached the git repo for ruby/ruby and respond_to doesn't show any c code
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<f0ster>
oh maybe because github's search sucks.. respond_to doesnt match respond_to?
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<slash_nick>
f0ster: did you not read the source at the link is ent you?
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<ashevaile>
soahccc: i think that approach is the secret sauce -- seems like the way to go for this project
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<ashevaile>
soahccc: really like the way it fits together. thanks for the suggestion!
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<centrx>
f0ster does not know how to use URLs or Google.
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<soahccc>
ashevaile: no problem. I like the approach to have a top controller for every namespace… we have Frontend < Application, Backend < Application, Account < Frontend, and so forth
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<slash_nick>
centrx: we should start a mechanical turk for "googling things"
<slash_nick>
whatcha wanna know, i can google that for you
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<ctruett>
Oh wow... well what I have already works guys. Thanks anyways.
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<shinobi_one>
juhoh: your super class should not have to access a subclass variable, if this is the case, can you pass it in through the constructor to the super class?
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<dyreshark>
^ or if every subclass is required to have this value, then you could create a method that all subclasses need to override in the superclass
<juhoh>
I was thinking about passing subclasses class var @@tablename to superclass
<juhoh>
for a simple ORM
<juhoh>
.all being class method
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<juhoh>
I'd like to have .all, .find and friends in the superclass and just simply pass the table name from subclasses to the superclass
<juhoh>
"pass"
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<juhoh>
hah, thinking too hardly for this problem
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<juhoh>
self. thank you
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<juhoh>
not that pretty, but works and got rid of the class var
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<centrx>
juhoh, If you are using ActiveSupport, it has cattr_accessor
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<juhoh>
nope, just making a simple wrapper for a few sql queries
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<juhoh>
nothing fancier than that. and the whole point is to do it from scratch
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<shevy>
cattr_accessor makes an accessor for a class method?
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<juhoh>
ofc that attr_accessor from my example can be introduced in the superclass, and should be attr_reader instead
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<yxhuvud>
shevy: cattr_accessor generates accessors for @@-variables.
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<shevy>
how to conveniently find out
<shevy>
date in +2 hours to now
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<shevy>
hmm found it
<shevy>
I will simply convert into seconds. Time.now + 2 * 60 * 60
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<centrx>
shevy, Date has a day base
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<centrx>
shevy, You ask about date and then use Time!? Which planet.
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<CreativeEmbassy>
what's the accepted way to write log messages when killing a process?
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<CreativeEmbassy>
because I'm getting that "log writing failed. can't be called from trap context" message
<CreativeEmbassy>
I assume from the Logger class
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<shevy>
yeah, Time for the win
<shevy>
the method names are annoying though
<shevy>
.hour .min .sec
<shevy>
I tried ... .hours .minutes .seconds
<shevy>
:(
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<cumshot>
hi
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<jenskarlsen>
hey
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<jenskarlsen>
interesting name
<cumshot>
thx
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<shinobi_one>
>.>
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<optiz0r_>
evening all. I'm not sure if I'm running into a ruby problem or a rhel one. I have the json gem installed in $GEM_PATH/json-1.4.6 (such that json.rb is $GEM_PATH/json-1.4.6/lib/json.rb), and yet "ruby -rrubygems -rjson -e ''" returns the LoadError. Running strace I see a stat on $GEM_PATH/json-1.4.6, but not on the lib dir. Setting RUBYLIB explicitly fixes, but that seems like the wrong approach.
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<optiz0r_>
ruby and the json gem were installed with native rhel packages, nothing funky
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<shevy>
what does "gem env" show optiz0r_ and what is GEM_PATH set to
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<optiz0r_>
/usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8
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<optiz0r_>
I shorthanded $GEM_PATH above for /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems
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<optiz0r_>
gem list also shows json as being installed (actually twice, 1.4.6 and 1.8.1)
<shevy>
so the real location of all your gems must be:
<shevy>
/usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/
<shevy>
and there must be json-1.8.1/ dir and json-1.4.6/ dir
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<optiz0r_>
yes indeed. it's my dev box that has both versions installed. all the prod boxes I've looked at only have 1.4.6. all have the same GEM_PATHS which omits the trailing /gems
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<shevy>
I can't quite see an error there so far
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<shevy>
in irb, can you require json?
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<shevy>
if you don't mind hack solutions, you could symlink this dir into your ruby SITE_DIR directory :)
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<shevy>
I did this via all my custom ruby files that are not in a gem
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<shevy>
require 'x/foo.rb' where x is a symlink to my main local ruby repository
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<optiz0r_>
not keen on bodging it, since this would have to be rolled out across prod servers and supported indefinitely
<shevy>
ah yes, I forgot that you have to do this on more than one machine
<shevy>
I don't use rhel packages myself though, and ruby + json works perfectly fine for me
<optiz0r_>
mm, it works fine on my gentoo workstation too
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<optiz0r_>
similar paths involved on that host too
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<shevy>
perhaps rhel patched the gem
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<AlexRussia>
Hey, people, what + in ruby for newbie?
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<bilbo_swaggins>
ICame: trolling on IRC? unpossible.
<failshell>
do you guys have a gem to recommend to parse/write a simple foo = bar type of config?
<ICame>
trying 2 decide wots a good nick....
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<bilbo_swaggins>
failshell: like a hashmap?
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<bilbo_swaggins>
how about JSON, YAML or XML?
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<failshell>
no just foo = bar type of configs
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<bilbo_swaggins>
I don't know what you mean
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<bilbo_swaggins>
just like a plaintext file with variable assignments?
<mnemon>
failshell: just read lines and split on = ?
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<bilbo_swaggins>
you could load up a file like that and parse it with the ruby interpreter
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<bilbo_swaggins>
you don't need to do anything special
<Apple_iCame5>
perfect.....
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<optiz0r_>
shevy: o.O ruby -rrubygems -rjson fails, but ruby -rrubygems -e 'require "json"' works fine. bizarre
<bilbo_swaggins>
just require an .rb file that has nothing but declarations
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<Guest70128>
word
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<panchiniak>
Hi. I'm getting "process still alive after 90 seconds (ChildProcess::TimeoutError)" for my ruby cucumber script, when it is called from a my apache webserver. It goes perfect when called directly from the shell. Any help on that?
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<theleft>
You will have to create a new file object in write mode and pass the file object to the write method of the document object -- can someone translate this into english for me
<theleft>
i know how to load xml document text from a file in irb and parse the xml text in to a document with REXML
<theleft>
but beyond that i have no idea how to do this
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<theleft>
obviously this is with an xml file
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<theleft>
actually i think i will be ok. i'm gonna try just writing to a new file. seems ok
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<shevy>
ok so we now have two different syntaxes for the same thing
<shevy>
great :P
<shevy>
it still has not solved your problem though, or?
<tcurdt>
shevy: true :)
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<shevy>
well
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<shevy>
then something else must happen to conclude that "site" is not known despite you having defined it before
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<tcurdt>
I just cannot see how
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<shevy>
but plain ruby code works fine
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<shevy>
so it must be part of that class, or a superclass of it
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<shinobi_one>
drawing a blank trying to explain a cool way to a friend of using blocks in ruby without him saying "why don't you just write a method for that", anyone have a decent example? haha
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each
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<shinobi_one>
he comes from python so he'll just say why not use `for foo in bar` and iterate that way
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<shevy>
shinobi_one well
<shevy>
shinobi_one blocks are optional
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<shevy>
shinobi_one you can use a method, sure, but you can also ON TOP OF THAT use blocks
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<shinobi_one>
^ that's what i was trying to explain, but couldn't come up with a sexy example
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<shevy>
well ruby offers a lot but you don't always need it
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<shevy>
like @@foo
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<shevy>
it's a different philosophy to python
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<shevy>
there was a cool quote from a python project, let me find it and give it to your friend:
<shevy>
> One thing to note about Biopython is that it often provides multiple ways of ?doing the same thing.?
<shinobi_one>
shevy: what is your point about @@? class variables?
<shevy>
> Things have improved in recent releases, but this can still be frustrating as in Python there should ideally be one right way to do something.
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<shevy>
> However, this can also be a real benefit because it gives you lots of flexibility and control over the libraries.
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<shevy>
so here you have a team of python hackers acknowledging that flexibility is a good thing
<shevy>
shinobi_one, dunno, I think @@ are super useless
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<shinobi_one>
as in class variables are super useless? or the syntax?
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<shevy>
both!
<shinobi_one>
huh
<shevy>
shinobi_one can you give a necessary example of where they are absolutely required?
<shinobi_one>
let's see
<shevy>
shinobi_one a good example for blocks is something like: File.new {}
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<shevy>
I think in python you may have to manually call .close()
<shevy>
but I am not absolutely sure
<shinobi_one>
shevy: python has `with open("filename.txt", "w") as f:`
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<shinobi_one>
where it intelligently closes
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<shevy>
what the ... is "with"?
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<shinobi_one>
It's not uncommon I guess in language grammar description
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<shevy>
aha ok
<shevy>
I was wondering
<shevy>
it is ugly as hell
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<shinobi_one>
I was going to look up some Rails source of block usage when defining methods, but the darn githubs appear to be slow on the internets today
<shevy>
ewwww
<shevy>
rails source
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<shinobi_one>
haha
<shinobi_one>
community driven code ftw?
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<Soulcutter>
why look in rails for how to use blocks?
<cntrx>
shinobi_one, Some people are allergic to Rails.
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<shinobi_one>
I know that.
<shevy>
shinobi_one is it community driven?
<Soulcutter>
def foo(&block) # enjoy :)
<shinobi_one>
Soulcutter: I wasn't looking for how to use blocks.. I was looking for a real world sexy example of them being used.
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<shinobi_one>
Because I'm tired and drawing a blank on a good example.
<shevy>
File.new {}
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<shinobi_one>
That wouldn't have my friend saying "explicit is better than implicit"
<shevy>
That is a silly statement to make
<shevy>
as equally silly as it were to say "implicit is better than explicit"
<shinobi_one>
shevy: Do you know any Python programmers?
<Soulcutter>
"orange is better than kittens"
<shevy>
when you want to be terse in your code, being succinct is a good thing
<shevy>
shinobi_one some random crazy ones here; one on #ruby-de who does both ruby and python
<shinobi_one>
shevy: go into your python shell and type `import this`
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<shevy>
the problem is that this is the way how the language is designed
<shevy>
you don't get to have alternatives
<shevy>
whatever a language designer decreed is how it is
<shinobi_one>
shevy: now tell that to a cult following
<shevy>
well python is a functional cult
<shevy>
you must declare self in every method
<shinobi_one>
in a class yes
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<shevy>
so of course you must say "explicit is better than implicit"
<shevy>
because there is no other way :)
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<shinobi_one>
it's different when it's the way you're currently living by, or the way to live by ;)
<slash_nick>
how do we know there's no other way?...is it explicitly implied?
<shevy>
I'd wish programming languages would be more easily composable
<shinobi_one>
^ it's implied explicitly
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<shevy>
slash_nick well you get errors in a programming language if you try to do anything fancy :)
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<shevy>
print "hi python 3!"
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<shevy>
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
<shevy>
!!!
<cntrx>
Wow this Python person uses many words to say very little.
<cntrx>
How ironic
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<shinobi_one>
shevy: requiring parenthesis for print in python 3 only makes sense, what doesn't make sense is they didn't in python 2
<cntrx>
No one is using Python 3
<shinobi_one>
^
<cntrx>
It's been six years
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<shevy>
The summary is that the transition to python3 leaves something for him to be desired - in 2011. He wrote something new about unicode in 2014, I did not yet read it
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<shevy>
shinobi_one ok why are people still using python 2
<shinobi_one>
shevy: lol i'm not trying to say python 3 is awesome
<shevy>
shinobi_one well I have had real problems with the transition myself
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<shevy>
there were a few xorg libraries that required python to compile
<shevy>
and the .py scripts back then were not compatible with python 3, so I had to use python 2
<shinobi_one>
shevy: don't most linux distros come with both python 3 and python 2.7 by default now?
<shinobi_one>
ah
<shevy>
perhaps in 2014
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<shevy>
this was in 2011 or some such
<shinobi_one>
i haven't played with 3 at all, and i don't plan to unless i have to
<shevy>
it surprised me that an xorg library used python
<shinobi_one>
which i don't forsee in my future any time soon
<shevy>
if they use python, why not perl... or ruby ...
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<shevy>
and why was GNU autoconfigure not enough
<cntrx>
Python is kind of the successor to Perl in Linux distributions
<shinobi_one>
shevy: more people grew accustomed to using python way before ruby
<shevy>
and why did kde switch to cmake
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<shevy>
shinobi_one that is fine but most other xorg programs/libraries did not depend on python
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<shevy>
it was some python-generator part ... let me try to find it
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<shinobi_one>
shevy: which linux distro were you using that didn't come with python? lol
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<shevy>
I had python 3
<shinobi_one>
also python was much faster than ruby back in the day
<shinobi_one>
shevy: you should have had python 2 as well
<shevy>
but I dont use python 2!
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<shevy>
it would be the same as forcing people back then to use ruby 1.8 or ruby 1.9.2 or some such
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<shinobi_one>
i don't use perl so nothing on my computer should
<shevy>
hehe
<shinobi_one>
;p
<cntrx>
The Python developers basically told everyone "Don't worry about staying with Python 2"
<shevy>
unless you use dpkg
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<cntrx>
"We are going to support Python 2 for at least 8 years"
<cntrx>
So no one did
<cntrx>
Very stupid in my opinion
<shinobi_one>
"We are going to support Python 2 for at least forever, cuz well, fuck."
<cntrx>
Now maybe Python 3 will just die off
<shinobi_one>
Python 4 will be out soon
<shinobi_one>
jk
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<shinobi_one>
i think a lot of people still love python because they don't expect huge changes, or a large number of them in a short amount of time, like ruby has
<shinobi_one>
what are we on ruby 2.5 already?
<shinobi_one>
;p
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<cntrx>
the Python 3 changes aren't even that big
<shinobi_one>
^ true
<cntrx>
They are just a handful of backward-incompatible changes
<cntrx>
It's moronic
<shinobi_one>
Explicit is better than implicit.
<shinobi_one>
>.>
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<shinobi_one>
<.<
* slash_nick
upgrades his system python to python 3
<slash_nick>
WHOOPS.
<shevy>
Moronic is better than Fantastic.
<shinobi_one>
slash_nick: lol
<shevy>
shinobi_one, I like the blog entry
<shevy>
"I will use this post to show that from the pure design of the language and standard library why Python 2 the better language for dealing with text and bytes."
<shinobi_one>
Python in Pails, coming soon.
<shevy>
what is pails
<shevy>
is that like phails?
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<shinobi_one>
Who knows
<shinobi_one>
I made it up
<shevy>
Python in Penis.
<slash_nick>
shevy: there's a hole in my pale
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<shevy>
your pale?
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<slash_nick>
s/pale/pail/
<shevy>
a pale whale
<shinobi_one>
slash_nick: your pale ale?
<shevy>
lol
<shinobi_one>
my pale ale is in a pail
<shevy>
the pale whale drank stale ale
<slash_nick>
pails of pales... please
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<shevy>
tails of tales... tease
<shinobi_one>
tales of tails 4, hot furries gone wild
<shevy>
shinobi_one sometimes I want to change my nick to python and join #python
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<shevy>
but this is not allowed :(
<shinobi_one>
lol
<shinobi_one>
i join #python and hide from dash
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<shinobi_one>
it's similar to hiding from Radar
<slash_nick>
The pitiful pangolin was pelted by pails of stale ale 'til his pelt turned pale
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<shinobi_one>
slash_nick: I think it's the pitfiful python
<slash_nick>
wherpsies
<shinobi_one>
Pythons on a Plane
<shinobi_one>
starring Guido
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<GaryOak__>
sir is this whitespace in your carry on?
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<centrx>
Meaningful whitespace is dumb
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<GaryOak__>
meaningless whitespace, even more dumb
<invinceable>
speaking of whitespace, how can i check if a variable is full of whitespace? like " "? it doesn't return true on .blank?
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<invinceable>
note i am not interested in seeing if it has whitespace on the beginning or the end, rather to see if all of the characters are whitespace.
<Soulcutter>
invinceable: " ".strip.blank?
<centrx>
invinceable, #blank? does do that
<shinobi_one>
#blank is a String method?
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<Soulcutter>
I think it's from activesupport
<shinobi_one>
^ It is.
* Soulcutter
shruggles
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<shinobi_one>
invinceable: you want to know if all the characters are whitespace, and that's all?
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<invinceable>
shinobi_one: correct
<Soulcutter>
but it is true that blank? does that (just checked)
<Soulcutter>
shinobi_one: I don't know what invinceable wants here
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<Soulcutter>
like if he wants to detect whitespace, or ignore it
<shinobi_one>
He wants to see if all of the characters are whitespace, as stated, and as I questioned him.
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<Soulcutter>
but ''.blank? returns true for no whitespace
<GaryOak__>
Soulcutter: blank? is an activesupport function though
<Soulcutter>
I don't know, it seems like the solution is obvious now
<Soulcutter>
' '.trim.empty? then?
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<shinobi_one>
no need for trim
<Soulcutter>
err strip
<shinobi_one>
or strip
<Soulcutter>
I always mess that up
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<Soulcutter>
depends on if he has activesupport, but regardless
<shinobi_one>
I'm pretty sure he's working on a Rails app.
<shevy>
" foo ".strip.tease
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<shinobi_one>
shevy.strip.tease!
<Soulcutter>
shevy: sometimes I like to tap it
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<shevy>
lol
<shinobi_one>
Soulcutter: before or after you strip and tease it?
<shevy>
I still have not been able to find a use case for .tap
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<shinobi_one>
shevy: it has limited use cases
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<Soulcutter>
shevy: I think it's to deal with some peoples' aversion to assigning variables or ending a method with a variable reference for the return value
<jarred>
I'm looking for something like Heliotrope (https://github.com/wmorgan/heliotrope) that I won't have to patch up to get it to load (it hasn't been updated in two years and uses iconv/other incompatible stuff). Any ideas?
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<centrx>
jarred, Look on Ruby Toolbox
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<centrx>
jarred, I searched for [heliotrope ruby toolbox] and found a possible candidate there
<jarred>
cool, thanks
<b1nd>
If I have a map {href: 'something, title: 'else'};
<shinobi_one>
How far are you from Seattle? I'm sure there's a Ruby users group there.
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<GaryOak__>
seattle.rb is where it's at, but I'm definitely too far from that
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<xuisce>
shinobi_one: is there a Ruby users group near DC?
<xuisce>
I'd be glad to meet some fellow ruby coders
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<shinobi_one>
GaryOak__: I would probably go on meetup.com and create a group, then maybe post on the seattle one to see if anyone who is on the list or has attended would like to join you in your area