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<rubydog>
Hey guys what is the book on refactoring?
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<centrx>
What book?
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<shinobi_one>
THE BOOK
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<rubydog>
by Martin Fowler, there are two I don't which one should I read as a ruby programmer
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<shinobi_one>
you could read a book about refactoring in java if you want, as long as you understand when to refactor and different ways to do it, you should be ok
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<weirdpercent>
ok so that's a json array, I'll just parse it
<weirdpercent>
p=MultiJson.load(uri) worked like a charm
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<weirdpercent>
thank you
<cashnguns>
x = [1,2,3] x[2]
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<zorak>
can somebody help me with and explanetion of "yield"
<zorak>
??
<popl>
zorak: What don't you understand?
<zorak>
the use of yield
<zorak>
i know how to use it
<zorak>
but i dont get what the use for it
<zorak>
(im very new to programing, so maybe i dont get the importanse of this function)
<centrx>
zorak, It is generally used in methods that accept blocks
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<zorak>
im in this part in the codeacademy curse
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<zorak>
blocks, procs, lamdas
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<ij>
Which is the fastest ruby http server now-a-days?
<popl>
ij: What do you mean by fastest?
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<ij>
Ease of use, or any other preferrences of yours.
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<jamesaanderson>
I want to do some basic text parsing. Do I need to use regex or one of the many ruby gems or can I just do it in basic ruby? I want to detect a string and then unknown content and assign the unknown content to a variable
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<bnagy>
jamesaanderson: well Regexp is 'basic' ruby, as in it's in core
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<bnagy>
whether to use regexp is basically a smell test. Depends what you're parsing and how complex its rules are
<firewater>
So, I am working on this rspec puzzles still. Got through one that is so close to be completed, but having a problem with getting the last part done.
<jamesaanderson>
I feel like it's too small a problem to bring extra dependencies etc into it. I guess I'll have to power throw and learn regex
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<firewater>
Its asking for the results to do this: [word] "definition"
<firewater>
And the word part is not in a string.
<firewater>
Is there a way to do that without having the [word] part in a string?
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<centrx>
jamesaanderson, You should learn regex. It is powerful and used everywhere.
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<pipework>
jamesaanderson: You should learn to not use regex unless it's the most appropriate tool for ht ejob.
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<near89>
hi
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<near89>
can anyone recommend a good way to check if a credit card is valid?
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<near89>
im checking with luhn and if its has the format of a valid card, but they told me that there are false positives because i don't check the identification code
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<firewater>
Is there a way to make "" appear in a string?
<firewater>
AKA, "this is a "test""==this is a "test"
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<firewater>
Anyone?
<Billy2>
escape the quotes?
<firewater>
How do you do that again, is it with the /?
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<mgberlin>
can someone send me to the right room to ask about how to find files on a mac?
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<popl>
mgberlin: /msg alis help
<popl>
mgberlin: it's the channel list service for freenode
<popl>
probably search for something with apple or mac in the room name
<popl>
if there is such a channel on freenode
<m4n1f3st_>
#MacOSX
<popl>
there you go
<mgberlin>
thanks, manifest
<m4n1f3st_>
mgberlin np
<mgberlin>
you too, popl, for teaching me to fish
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<lechuga_>
if i have sidekiq running and rails should i expect the after_save call back for my model to be called only in the process that calls model_instance.save! ?
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<lechuga_>
or would it occur in both
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<lechuga_>
or maybe a better question is 'is two-way communication between rails and sidekiq possible?'
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<centrx>
lechuga_, Try #rubyonrails
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<lechuga_>
thx
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<jarg7>
hey guys
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<jarg7>
anyone alive?
<Nilium>
Never.
<jarg7>
How do I read this documentation? I'm trying to figure out how the ruby language works and is structured, but Im not that good at reading docs so when I look at the documentation I dont really understand it. Any one know if there is a documentation guide out there?
<Nilium>
I don't know what documentation you're referring to.
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<jarg7>
the ruby language documentation
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<jarg7>
the api i think its called?
<Nilium>
That's not very specific
<bnagy>
jarg7: the ruby quickref is a good high level overview, otherwise there's the spec but it's not great reading
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<bnagy>
then rubydoc.org has dox for all the core and stdlib, page by page ( Array etc )
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<jarg7>
im just trying to figure out how i can write me first usefull basic application
<jarg7>
maybe even a little tic tac toe game
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<jarg7>
also anyone remember how to make it so it stops showing users joining and quiting here
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<jarg7>
oh nevermind i found the options
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<noobgains>
hi everyone, it seems it is not possible to get the value of an optgroup label as a param in sinatra? Here's my code: http://pastebin.com/2zmQtPR4 I'd like to return the value of the different lines as params but it seems not possible with just ruby. Only Jquery can help.
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<abdulsattar>
noobgains: optgroup is not supposed to send a value to the server. It doesn't even have a value attribute
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<ankushio>
What is the difference between the :: and the . operators
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<ankushio>
For example Math::sin 1 and Math.sin 1 both compute the sin of 1
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<centrx>
ankushio, :: only works for class methods
<centrx>
ankushio, . works for instance methods too
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<abdulsattar>
centrx: It works for instance methods too
<ankushio>
ok
<abdulsattar>
ankushio: they're interchangeable I guess
<ankushio>
Sometimes classes are written as A::B
<ankushio>
what does that mean
<centrx>
ankushio, Sorry, I mean :: is never used to represent an instance method when it is used, even if internally it will work
<ankushio>
ok
<ankushio>
what does "ActionController::Base" mean then
<centrx>
ankushio, In general, :: is called the "scope resolution operator"
<ankushio>
ok
<centrx>
ankushio, Base is inside the ActionController module or class
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<aces1up9939>
i have a weird problem, i'm trying to require a gem that is in the same directory as in all my other gems for my project.
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<aces1up9939>
i'm looking in the lib folder and requireing http-cookie
<aces1up9939>
but for some reason my app isnt seeing it.
<aces1up9939>
i checked gem env and it reports that it looks in the directory for the gems in question.
<aces1up9939>
what else can i try to figure out why its not finding this?
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<godd2>
I'm having a problem trying to push a gem up to rubygems.
<godd2>
I can build the gem and install it locally successfully, but if I try to push the gem, it says "Repushing of gem versions is not allowed."
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<godd2>
nvm, figured it out. there was a previously yanked gem hangin around
<jarg7>
does anyone have skype that would be willing to add me and help me out here and there with some ruby questions and syntax? Im pretty new to programming also just trying to learn terminology and would love it if someone out there was willing to be somewhat of a mentor to me
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<jarg7>
my backround is in psychology and cognative science but i am looking to change careers into web dev
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<jarg7>
if anyones out there who can help me out please add my skype : jarggsx . You will be repaid handsomly
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<dawkirst>
I'm trying to wrap my head around this: changes to my database using DataMapper. I've never worked with Rails, but I know there are some opinionated ways of dealing with it in Rails (migrations?). How can I emulate ActiveRecord / Rails best practice with DM?
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<noobgains>
abdulsattar: thanks for the tip. We ended up giving the options a value of "optgroupName_optionValue" and splitting them on ('_') to return a value for optgroup
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<abdulsattar>
noobgains: that's a good approach, I was thinking on the same lines too
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<sigurding>
anyone here using ruby-install?
<The_NetZ>
erm, probably a bit of a noobish question; suppose i have a hash called keys, and it contains a few symbols named for a standard snes controller layout
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<The_NetZ>
a,b,x,y, etc. I'd like if possible, to be able to reassign the values of they keys, and mayhaps have two or more values per key, say, a keyboard key and a gamepad button
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<The_NetZ>
or wait, I think I'm reading the source code wrong...
<The_NetZ>
:foo is a symbol named foo, right?
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<abdulsattar>
sigurding: I use ruby-install
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<sigurding>
abdulsattar: with which ruby version and which editor?
<The_NetZ>
I just use my distro's ruby, installed via pacman :P
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<abdulsattar>
abdulsattar: I'm sorry I thought you meant ruby-build, I'm afraid I've never used ruby-install
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<abdulsattar>
The_NetZ: did you just say "mayhaps", as in Walder Frey "mayhaps"?
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<The_NetZ>
abdulsattar: never heard that name before, but yes, mayhaps as in perhaps
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<abdulsattar>
nvm, yes :foo is a symbol named foo
<The_NetZ>
abdulsattar: ok, then what is foo: ?
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<abdulsattar>
It is used when declaring a hash
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<abdulsattar>
You can say {:foo => 'bar' } or {foo: bar}
<The_NetZ>
ok, so, FOO: [bar, baz] is a hash named foo with two keys in it?
<The_NetZ>
oh! so they are very similar in that context, gotcha!
<abdulsattar>
No, Foo: [bar, baz] is equivalent to {:foo => [bar, baz]}, so the entire thing is a hash with :foo as the key
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<The_NetZ>
ok, so, its not that foo has two values, but that foo contains an array, and *that* has two values?
<abdulsattar>
and the array values as their respective values
<The_NetZ>
ok, got that, and the arrays? ah gotcha.
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<The_NetZ>
so, each key can have an array with more than one element in it, gotcha, but, are the array's needed to do this?
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<abdulsattar>
No, the value of a hash can be anything, not just an array
<abdulsattar>
*the value in a hash*
<The_NetZ>
yeah, I could use strings or ints or whatever, correct?
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<abdulsattar>
yes
<abdulsattar>
and even heterogeneously, e.g: {a: 1, b: 'abdulsattar'}
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<The_NetZ>
but, can a hash have more than one value in it, *not* wrapped in an array?
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<The_NetZ>
mind you, I'll likely use the array anyways, but, I was wondering if its absolutely needed :P
<abdulsattar>
A key can't have more than one value, they'll over write each other
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<The_NetZ>
gotcha, so if you want that effect, array it.
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<The_NetZ>
thanks
<abdulsattar>
you're welcome
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<The_NetZ>
abdulsattar: ok, now, suppose I want to be able to reassign the values in the array, say the user wants to change the direction key movements from the arrow keys to say wasd, is this possible using the layout I sprunged above?
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<abdulsattar>
You can reassign values: keys[:DOWN] = ["new_arraY"]
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<abdulsattar>
The_NetZ: FYI the keys array seems to support both arrow keys and WASD
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<The_NetZ>
abdulsattar: yes, that one does, but I'm writing something in c++ and that's just something I'm referencing.
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<The_NetZ>
i.e., I did not write that.
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<The_NetZ>
basically I'm looking to write a ruby wrapper type thing that will return one of the keys if glfw reports either a keyboard key or gamepad button/axis matching one of the values in the array is pressed.
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<The_NetZ>
abdulsattar: question is, if the array has two items in it, can I reassign just one?
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<abdulsattar>
You can do Keys[:DOWN] = Keys[:DOWN][0]
<The_NetZ>
ah nice, again, sorry for my extreme noobism.
<abdulsattar>
It's alright
<The_NetZ>
alrighty then, time to wrack my brain some more =_=
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<The_NetZ>
abdulsattar: don't suppose you know of a big reference of all the ruby 'variable' types and their pros, cons, and usage examples?
<omegahm>
Is there a way to remove a key from a hash and return the rest of the hash, in a nice way? hash.delete(:key) will return the value of :key, but I just want to chain on and return the rest of the hash.
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<The_NetZ>
ok, lets say we have a class Family with a class variable @@last_name and an instance variable @first_name; if the mother, an instance of family, marries another man, and takes on his @@last_name, this is passed to her children's @@last_name, since they are all instances of the same family class, but their @first_name remains the same due to they being separate per instance of the class?
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<tobiasvl>
don't use @@variables
<tobiasvl>
that design means that if you create another Family, they have the same @@last_name …
<tobiasvl>
oh, no – the Family instances are supposed to be people? what kind of design is this
<The_NetZ>
tobiasvl: yeah, I've read that bit too, I'm just making sure I do understand properly
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<havenwood>
The_NetZ: Pretend @@class_variables just don't exist. $global_variables too for that matter other than ones that already exist that you might use.
<The_NetZ>
otherwise everyone would share the same surname, lol.
<havenwood>
omegahm: nothing pretty
<omegahm>
havenwood: No, that's what I thought :(
<The_NetZ>
and I assume that one should not use @@class_variables unless absolutely needed, yes?
<havenwood>
omegahm: `hash.tap { |h| h.delete :key }` or the laborious `hash.reject! { |k, _| k == :key }`
<omegahm>
Rails has hash.except(:key), but this isn't Rails
<tobiasvl>
you'll never need them The_NetZ
<tobiasvl>
NEVER
<The_NetZ>
never say never :P
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<shevy>
never
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<havenwood>
omegahm: though i suppose if one ever went that way better to use `delete_if` than `reject!` so you don't go and chain a `nil`
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<havenwood>
but meh
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<omegahm>
havenwood: Two lines, non-chained it is :)
<havenwood>
omegahm: :)
<The_NetZ>
shevy: hehe, we meet again
<shevy>
damn
<shevy>
die!
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<shevy>
do we have anything in ruby that can compete with apache in terms of feature set?
<shevy>
like also has MultiViews available
<shevy>
and rewrite capability
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<The_NetZ>
also, can someone explain a bit to me how to use my irbrc?
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<havenwood>
The_NetZ: Use Pry.
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<The_NetZ>
havenwood: pry being?
<The_NetZ>
sorry, but I'm working on fixing a gradle issue
<havenwood>
The_NetZ: An alternative to irb. A very nice tool to explore Ruby with. Just `gem install pry pry-doc` then use it instead of irb: http://pryrepl.org/
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<The_NetZ>
hmm. interesting.
<havenwood>
The_NetZ: Then you have .pryrc files instead of .irbrc.
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<havenwood>
shevy: i don't see how MultiViews are applicable, or you mean like serving up PHP with a Ruby webserver? :O
<olivier_bK>
hy all
<havenwood>
hey
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<apeiros>
09:15 havenwood: omegahm: though i suppose if one ever went that way better to use `delete_if` than `reject!` so you don't go and chain a `nil`
<apeiros>
^ huh, what?
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<apeiros>
ah
<apeiros>
reject!
<apeiros>
d'uh
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<omegahm>
:)
<apeiros>
in my defense - it's still early in the morning
<omegahm>
I love how every problem in the world can be solved with two simple characters. Colon End-Parenthesis
<The_NetZ>
hehe
<popl>
omegahm: can it?
<havenwood>
apeiros: in my defense, it's too late at night!
<The_NetZ>
:)
<popl>
in my defense, I'm an idiot!
<popl>
:)
<omegahm>
popl: Or multiple, if you want Homer ≈(_8^(|)
<apeiros>
popl: that's almost as good as the chewbacca defense!
<popl>
laugh and the world laughs with you
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<apeiros>
does that apply to my evil laughter too?
<apeiros>
I ask because I wouldn't want that. it'd destroy the moment :(
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<The_NetZ>
ಠ_ಠ
<The_NetZ>
^best unicode emote ever
* apeiros
prefers tableflip
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<The_NetZ>
lol
<The_NetZ>
man, gnome is screwing me over =_=
<The_NetZ>
time to revert to xfce4 and put this behind me XD
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<The_NetZ>
oh well
<omegahm>
The_NetZ: I use LoD in my bash to signal an non-zero exit value
<omegahm>
I love it
<popl>
What do you do when you're feeling down?
<omegahm>
Also, d(^_^)b from the good old bash.org days
<The_NetZ>
lol
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<The_NetZ>
omegahm: heh, that's a good trick, lol. I should figure that out for zsh :P
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<The_NetZ>
yeah, screw it, xfce4 is light and full featured, and is really easy on my crappy bandwith; pluss it'll probably tear ass far better than gnome does on my gpu :P
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<popl>
xmonad is fun
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<abdulsattar>
xmonad is fun but I face a *lot* of problems setting it up and then a lot more using it
<popl>
like what?
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<abdulsattar>
Fullscreen stuff, it won't launch gnome's gksudo
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<abdulsattar>
Constantly "this program has crashed" etc.
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<abdulsattar>
Don't get me wrong though, I manage to use it and love it, but still it's a pain in the ass sometimes
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<gnagno>
hello all
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<havenwood>
gnagno: hey
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<newbie1r>
Hello, what's a good GUI designer for Ruby on Linux
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<gnagno>
I am developing a small gem that should have an executable file in the bin directory of the gem.... when I install it with I can execute it only with bundle exec .... can I install it so that I don't need bundle exec ?
<jmaister>
Macaveli: Integer division returns an integer by default, so you have to cast at least one of the values to a decimal value to get a decimal result
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<Macaveli>
havenwood, jmaister fdic works
<Hanmac>
havenwood: i heard SOPA is back again ... again ... (it does respawn more often than ruby1.8)
<certainty>
i doubt that
<havenwood>
Hanmac: kill it with fire!
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<jmaister>
Macaveli: Yeah, I just explained why it works like that
<Hanmac>
The_NetZ: not important for me, i already use 2.2.0dev
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<The_NetZ>
apeiros: because we work in 8bit code there is no perfect way to represent .1 in it, correct?
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<apeiros>
The_NetZ: almost. because float doesn't use decimal represent the values, it uses binary. that's why it can't represent 0.1, 0.2 and 0.3 exactly.
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<The_NetZ>
now if only homo sapiens had 3 fingers and a thumb :P
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<havenwood>
gnagno: make sure your Ruby bin dir in in your path
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<havenwood>
gnagno: which os?
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<apeiros>
why TF does `bundle update gitted_gem` sometimes not update to the latest rev? (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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<The_NetZ>
anyone know know where I can find the documentation on those magical rb_something_neat c code?
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<popl>
ruby-doc.org?
<popl>
What do you mean?
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<The_NetZ>
popl: I can't seem to find information on the c/c++ code for ruby, as in, doxygen for the c source files
<popl>
oh
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<popl>
I don't know.
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<The_NetZ>
nvm, think I found it
<popl>
where?
<The_NetZ>
under /usr/share/doc/ruby/, in the ruby-docs package >.>
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<popl>
neat
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<The_NetZ>
ok bender XD
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<The_NetZ>
oh hey, that's cool... ri --server
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<dhanush>
Hi. I have ruby 1.9.3 pre installed. Now when I install rake, it installs ruby 1.8 over 1.9.3 as the default installation. Can I prevent this somehow?
<workmad3>
dhanush: 1.9.3 pre? any reason you're using an ancient pre-release version? :/
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<lolmaus_>
apeiros: this should be included in Ruby.
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<apeiros>
lolmaus_: write on the ML and ask, and/or add a bug ticket on redmine
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<bawNg>
igrigorik never uses IRC does he?
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<apeiros>
bawNg: haven't seen him in #ruby or #ruby-lang
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<apeiros>
but might just be that he uses a nick I don't know
<bawNg>
apeiros: I've just discovered a MAJOR issue with em-http-request
<bawNg>
I'm going to have to write my own HTTP client from scratch now
<apeiros>
bawNg: github issue, mail, twitter
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<bawNg>
A single HTTP request using em-http-request slows down the entire EventMachine reactor by 86 times, forever
<apeiros>
"my wheel went flat, I'll have to build a car on my own now"?
<apeiros>
that sounds awful
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<bawNg>
apeiros: This is a serious performance issue, and debugging the massive gem will take too long, it'll be faster to use the same http parser and just implement my own light weight http client
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<bawNg>
what is more worrying though, is how such a major issue has gone unnoticed for so long, this is something used in massive production applications
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<shevy>
has anyone compared the speed of 2.1.x and 1.9.x ?
<apeiros>
bawNg: it may well be that its occurrence is coincidental
<apeiros>
shevy: I bet someone has, and that someone is on google.
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<shevy>
nah
<bawNg>
apeiros: How so?
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<apeiros>
bawNg: I don't know. But it'd explain why it went unnoticed. Because it's not exhibited in all cases.
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<apeiros>
*might
<bawNg>
I was profiling my code to figure out what part of http requests was having such a major performance impact on my application, and a minimal test case which makes a single em-http-request and then just samples the tick rate, and the result is extremely clear
<apeiros>
bawNg: even if you go with writing your own client, I'd still file the ticket.
<bawNg>
apeiros: Although it slows the reactor down by ~86 times, not everyone would notice it, I'm sampling around 950 ticks per second so that my sampling does not cause overhead, those ~950 ticks drop to 11 after a single em-http-request has been made
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<bawNg>
That means the reactor runs at ~2315 ticks instead of 200 000
<bawNg>
My application sends and receives up to 5000 UDP packets a second, and needs to be able to scale up well, so this kind of peformance issue is very noticable
<Hanmac>
shevy: is "valua" correct or should that be "value" ?
<shevy>
Hanmac hehe
<shevy>
the name gives a hint to the language used
<shevy>
validate lua
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<lolmaus_>
apeiros: wham! https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/9635 I'm sorry i didn't mention your gist. I've asked for a `key => value` iteration style instead of `[key, value]` because i think it's more natural for hashes.
<apeiros>
lolmaus_: which will be why it will get slammed down
<apeiros>
nobody wants new syntax for a *single* use case
<lolmaus_>
:(
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<apeiros>
at least it'd be the reason why I'd vote against it
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<shevy>
don't let apeiros vote!
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<shevy>
let's vote on @@@variables
<shevy>
+1
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<apeiros>
I want §vars
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<tobiasvl>
¤vars
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<apeiros>
who'd want currency variables? o0
<Hanmac>
shevy what about @$vars ? ;P
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<shevy>
hmm
<apeiros>
I also want @{code} to silence errors, like our great inspiration, php!
<shevy>
Hanmac not sure if this can work?
<shevy>
I mean the parser must understand @@ at least
<matti>
PHP all the things!
<matti>
;s
<shevy>
and the various ${1} ones
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* matti
puts some PHP in shevy's coffee
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<shevy>
hey
<shevy>
I actually liked some parts of PHP
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<lolmaus_>
In Javascript, you can limit variable scope by putting a piece of code into a self-invoked function. E. g.: `var foo = "foo"; function() { var foo = "bar"; console.log(foo); }(); console.log(foo);` would print "bar" and "foo". Is there a way to limit the scope in Ruby?
<matti>
shevy: You are either crazy or possessed by Zend Daemon.
<matti>
Quick! Exorcise shevy!
<shevy>
matti no, it was rather nice, you could output stuff on the web really easily
<apeiros>
lolmaus_: rubys local variables are already local
<apeiros>
so you don't need such tricks
<shevy>
what is the usual route for newcomer to ruby to do the same ... hmmmmmm learn rails!
<tobiasvl>
scream.enabled
<matti>
shevy: Next thing you will metion CGI or SSI ;s
<shevy>
well .cgi error reporting is not on par with .php :(
<matti>
"shevy: I loved writing SSIs in shell"
<shevy>
"Internal Server Error" never told me much
<lolmaus_>
apeiros: i think i should learn about closures.
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<lolmaus_>
apeiros: in my feature request i wasn't asking for new syntax. What i asked uses existing syntax and can be implemented in a few lines of Ruby.
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<apeiros>
lolmaus_: `hashy_map { |key, value| key.upcase => value.reverse }` is not valid existing syntax
<matti>
shevy: PHP error reporting page often costed people server - especially when it revealed too much information to naughty people ;] But this is not an issue with PHP in its own right ;]
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<apeiros>
lolmaus_: `hashy_map { |key, value| {key.upcase => value.reverse} }` would be, but it's quite a bit less efficient than [a,b]
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<lolmaus_>
apeiros: i see. :(
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<shevy>
matti well you can always say the same about ruby in .cgi, just the opposite - because you need to log at the server log, and you had no real alternative to the direct display. there is some addon by a japanese hacker but it's not on par with what php offered
<shevy>
*to look
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<matti>
;p
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<matti>
shevy: I called Ruby Inquistion to exorcise you.
<shevy>
"A gemified version of Syck from Ruby's stdlib. Syck has been removed from Ruby's stdlib, and this gem is meant to bridge the gap for people that haven't updated their YAML yet."
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<gaussblurinc>
hm, general question about ruby and all.. should I fork project for pull requests on github?
<shevy>
dunno
<shevy>
I use people's github only for reporting issues :>
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<tobiasvl>
gaussblurinc: yes, a pull request pulls in a fork
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<shevy>
wow that gem works
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<shevy>
I may finally be able to use ruby 2.1.1
<tobiasvl>
gaussblurinc: you make a fork, preferable make a feature branch, commit to that and then create a pull request for your fork's feature branch
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<tobiasvl>
gaussblurinc: then the main repo owner merges inn your branch if accepted
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<apeiros>
shevy: um… I told you months ago to use that to port your yaml data…
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<shevy>
I can't port the yaml dataset unfortunately :(
<apeiros>
you can set your yamler to syck, load the data, change the yamler to psych and dump the data -> bam, yaml converted from syck to psych
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<apeiros>
why not?
<shevy>
I explained that a few hundred times, it is not possible for me to switch to UTF* for several reasons
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<shevy>
I can however autogenerate valid yaml
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<shevy>
but this means I can switch now!
<shevy>
I did not know there was a syck gem
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<shevy>
so I can locally still use syck, and for all my gems I can use psych as the yaml will be valid finally
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<shevy>
apeiros did you really suggest this already? :D
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<apeiros>
shevy: yes.
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<apeiros>
shevy: for some reason I think your "several reasons" are "I don't want to"
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<shevy>
no, it is not possible
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<shevy>
but now I don't have to anymore!
<shevy>
and all my new yaml files will be valid
<shevy>
\o/
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<tobiasvl>
sure. or drop the sudo or do gem install --user-install to install it locally
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<tobiasvl>
that is, in ~/.gem
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<dkamioka>
hey guys, so about 2.1.1... I read about a new Garbage collector thing... anyone can point me some studies about this new GC? Things like, performance tests, and so on...
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<lupnix>
Having some issues with thread connections staying open and using up all of the connections to my database in rails, any suggestions on resources to solve this?
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<tobiasvl>
lupnix: maybe #rubyonrails is a good resource
<lupnix>
ok will hop over there, thanks
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<tobiasvl>
np and good luck
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<Justinas>
Hello guys. I wanna write a method in ruby which would return a pointer to array, but i am getting different object_id's. any suggestions why?
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<DouweM>
Justinas: what problem are you trying to solve and what have you tried?
<banister>
Justinas a *pointer* to an array?
<banister>
Justinas ruby doesnt have pointers
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<tobiasvl>
Justinas: yeah i see the tests now. cool
<tobiasvl>
as long as you're aware of it ;)
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<Justinas>
anyway, deleting the "@ changes nothing". when I am trying to print object_id, I get "3" which for me is wierd
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<DouweM>
you see why deleting the @ would definitely make a difference?
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<DouweM>
why are you bothering with object_id anyway?
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<Justinas>
as long as object_id's of altitude and location isnt the same i am working with different objects
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<Justinas>
isnt I?
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<DouweM>
altitude and location would never be the same, as the one is an array and the other is a value within that array
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<DouweM>
and you're currently working with some new @altitude, which is not the same thing as the altitude method, and thus not the same thing as @location[2]
<DouweM>
And notice that your flap_up and flap_down methods currently both increment
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<Justinas>
even if i changed @altitude to altitude in flap_up method I keep getting 0 in my tests
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<DouweM>
Justinas: you see why changing @altitude to altitude would be the solution? at least in theory, if not in practice, apparently
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<DouweM>
if it's not actually working, that's another issue, but the @ definitely needs to go
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<Justinas>
I mean ok, I'am surely thinking java-like what is probably bad but as I can imagine @ sets the variable available to class methods, and @@ makes it static. isnt it?
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<DouweM>
that's kind of right, but in this case you'd be working with an @altitude that's completely unrelated to the altitude method
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<DouweM>
and thus completely unrelated to @location[2]
<DouweM>
you'd just be setting a new @altitude variable that wouldn't affect @location[2] at all
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<DouweM>
so it makes sense that bird.altitude would still be 0
<anoldhacker>
$end is the tokenizers representation of the end of file.
<BeingUntoDeath>
i don't get it.
<BeingUntoDeath>
okay.
<BeingUntoDeath>
what's keyword_end then?
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<anoldhacker>
As in if-else-end, begin-end.
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<BeingUntoDeath>
ahh.
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<anoldhacker>
Again, these are tokenizer concepts.
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<havenwood>
Unhappy parser is unhappy.
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<anoldhacker>
yep
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<certainty>
Happy unparser is happy
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<shevy>
Unparser Happy is unhappy
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<shevy>
havenwood btw to your earlier answer, I meant that URL rewriting for instance something like: "www.foobar.com/index" to become "www.foobar.com/index.cgi"; is that possible without apache i.e. only in ruby + rack or perhaps unicorn/puma/thin? I know that this is possible in apache, no idea without apache
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<hrrz>
hi, i have array of strings and i want to keep the longest string of matched ones
<BeingUntoDeath>
it keeps expecting one or the other.. i get error messages saying that one is unexpected and the other is expected. so i try and add or take away "ends" and i get variations of those errors.
<BeingUntoDeath>
i'm new to programming.
<BeingUntoDeath>
any idea what the problem could be?
<BeingUntoDeath>
so if its expected keyword_end... i need to make some if-then statement?
<BeingUntoDeath>
:(
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<havenwood>
BeingUntoDeath: It helps to use nice indentation to see where you missed an `end`.
<jonnyro>
havenwood: interesting, will read up on the values_at syntax
<havenwood>
BeingUntoDeath: Have code you can paste to a gist.github.com?
<Suit_Of_Sables>
can a substring be the entire string? Meaning, could you consider "the" to be a substring of "the"? or does it have to be a "proper" substring like a proper subset?
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<havenwood>
sigurding: can you use byebug instead of debugger?
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<havenwood>
s/in/i'm
<havenwood>
Suit_Of_Sables: oh, i see, nvm
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<abdulsattar>
T = t1...tn, then T' = T(i+1) .. T(m+i) where 0<=i and m+i<=n. That means T == T' when i=0.
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<abdulsattar>
Cool question, why do you ask anyway?
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<xuisce>
shinobi_one: hey
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<hrrz>
hi, i'm trying to write a simple algorithm to extract longest strings out of array dependings on its content (example: http://pastebin.com/tQ7q4vJG )
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<apeiros>
hrrz: and what's your question?
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<hrrz>
how to write it? given an array of unsorted data
<apeiros>
hrrz: um, this is essentially "please write it for me". we don't do that.
<hrrz>
not at all
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<hrrz>
just a hint
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<apeiros>
store your current results in a hash, replace if a longer one comes along
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<apeiros>
hrrz: google for the trie datastructure
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<hrrz>
apeiros: thanks man
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<phat4life>
anyone here use faraday with mockweb?
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<apeiros>
hrrz: you can alternatively trade space complexity with time complexity. If you sort it, it'll be O(nlogn) in time, but only O(n) (or O(1) in additionally required space)
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<slash_nick>
apeiros: so...pack it all into a trie and return only the paths that do not have child nodes?
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<apeiros>
slash_nick: pssssh, don't ruin his fun
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<apeiros>
slash_nick: I didn't trie to implement it, but along that way was my thought, yes
<slash_nick>
s/ruin/steal/...
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<apeiros>
oh, *try
<apeiros>
unintended pun
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<slash_nick>
so you haven't tried?
<apeiros>
indeed
<apeiros>
:)
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<apeiros>
I did the other one, as it's only ~60 chars of code
<apeiros>
and no dependency
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<apeiros>
all you need is 2 additional variables
<apeiros>
well, 1 if you count the result variable as given.
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<shevy>
"syck has been removed, psych is used instead"
<shevy>
hmm
<shevy>
anyone knows what triggers this message exactly?
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<shevy>
lib/yaml.rb: when 'syck' then warn "syck has been removed, psych is used instead"
<shevy>
found it!
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<shevy>
"When I stepped back Python no longer seemed relevant to the web, at least not the part of the web that interested me."
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<centrx>
He keeps repeating this 10,000 hour canard
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<centrx>
"what a boring read. how many freakin words for you to say you switched from python to javascript ?"
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<atmosx>
centrx: imho blog-posts are supposed to be kinda verbose
<atmosx>
I have the feeling I'm doing something utterly stupid.. hm
<centrx>
Omit needless words.
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<atmosx>
I'm writing this program and I'm using Greek, maybe I should just use locale/el.yml hmm
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<atmosx>
but then again I don't really care about english at this point
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<shevy>
atmosx well use english :-)
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<centrx>
"I'm sorry dude. Maybe my upvote will make up for it."
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<sigurding>
anyone here using ruby-install?
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<madhatter>
Is there a way to dynamically add the local gem installation directory to the $PATH depending on the actual ruby version? I don't want to update everytime I update to a new version.
<sigurding>
is there a way to automatically load and install the required gems of a project?
<atmosx>
madhatter: rvm uses gemsets, you might wanna use it.
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<shevy>
sigurding can you do --user-install for your gems?
<atmosx>
madhatter: supports a file called '.ruby-version' which deals with this exact issue: Has a specific gemset (usually defined by a Gemfile) for every project. Mix tmuxinator and autotest and you have a perfect cli-IDE
<madhatter>
atmosx: I used those. But at the moment I try to stick with the latest version coming from the OS
<shevy>
I think there is a way to get the dependencies of a gem at runtime as well
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<sigurding>
shevy: honestly I thought bundler would do it for me
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<atmosx>
madhatter: you'd probaly will have to write your own implementation as it appears to be a little too specific what you need there
<sigurding>
atmosx: I am using terminal, that's bash I guess?
<madhatter>
atmosx: Ok. Not a big deal, but I thought this might be a common problem and there would be a solution in ruby or gem iteself.
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<atmosx>
sigurding: yeap. Just the run the command then. When it's finnished read the comments you'll see on the termianl and if you have any question feel free to ask
<sigurding>
atmosx: great, thanks!
<phat4life>
awww i see
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<atmosx>
madhatter: no one I know (except me on a serveR) uses system's ruby for anything
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<atmosx>
madhatter: so this kind of things are sorted in a arguable way by ruby managers (rvm, rbenv, etc)
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<sigurding>
atmosx: ok installing 2.1.0 now
<atmosx>
sigurding: good luck :-)
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<vedic>
How to upgrade ruby (I am running 1.8.7) ? I have redmine installed on this server.
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<atmosx>
vedic: what operating system?
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<vedic>
I think I should run at 1.9.3
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<vedic>
atmosx: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
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<atmosx>
vedic: I'm positive that ubuntu has 1.9.3 version instead of 1.8.7 which is osbolete
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<atmosx>
obsolete
<atmosx>
vedic: but you could try using system-wide or single-user rvm and run redmine using rvm's ruby
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<vedic>
atmosx: I have checked. It is 1.8.7 and I think due to that I am finding problems
<atmosx>
vedic: can you upgrade the entire system?
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<madhatter>
atmosx: I had other issues with rvm. That's why I tried to get rid of it. I liked the idea of rvm though.
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<vedic>
atmosx: Yea, I can upgrade system wide Ruby
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<atmosx>
vedic: then use that I guess
<atmosx>
madhatter: I'm so much used to it that I don't know how to live without it
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<madhatter>
atmosx: Sometimes I get errors like this when I try to build something which uses bundler: ..../rubygems/dependency.rb:296:in `to_specs': Could not find 'bundler' (>= 0)
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<madhatter>
Bundler is installed in the gemset for the used ruby version
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<atmosx>
madhatter: inside tmux?
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<atmosx>
madhatter: you should try someting like: rvm use ruby-2.1.0 && rvm gemset use rails
<atmosx>
madhatter: the example is for rails etc.
<atmosx>
madhatter: you can adjust it
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<madhatter>
atmosx: I have to call makepkg with sudo. I think that is messing things up
<atmosx>
madhatter: sudo yes
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<atmosx>
madhatter: uses differet paths
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<madhatter>
But 'sudo echo $PATH' contains the correct path
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<atmosx>
madhatter: you're using specific gemsets?
<atmosx>
madhatter: maybe sudo is using your defualt rvm configuration/ruby-vesion
<atmosx>
version
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<madhatter>
No specific gemsets at the moment.
<madhatter>
sudo which bundle points to the same as which bundle
<sigurding>
atmosx: seems to work with rvm and 2.1.0
<atmosx>
sigurding: awesome
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<atmosx>
madhatter: hm, I'm of ideas but I had some troubles with sudo before... I can't recall specifics though
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<sigurding>
atmosx: is there a way to call method only if it exists?
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<blizzow>
I'm trying to run this script. It keeps dying out with "undefined method `elements' for nil:NilClass" I think it's from around line 512. Does anyone here see what's wrong? http://pastie.org/8917171
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<centrx>
blizzow, There is no instance of "elements" in that pastie
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<centrx>
blizzow, Also you should separate the configuration into a configuration file; and use object-oriented code.
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<blizzow>
centrx: I just downloaded the script from the nagios plugins site. It doesn't work out of the box and seems to have some bugs, I figured someone here might have a quick fix. I know nearly nothing of ruby.
<pipework>
Use configuration blocks too!
<centrx>
blizzow, Post the error backtrace
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<blizzow>
centrx: Is this what you mean? Exception `OpenSSL::SSL::SSLError' at /usr/lib/ruby/1.9.1/openssl/buffering.rb:174 - read would block
<blizzow>
Error occured while trying to retrieve CloudWatch metrics statistics: undefined method `elements' for nil:NilClass
<blizzow>
Exception `NoMethodError' at /var/lib/gems/1.9.1/gems/amazon-ec2-0.9.17/lib/AWS.rb:348 - undefined method `elements' for nil:NilClass
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<centrx>
blizzow, Well, that's not really complete, but yes
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<centrx>
blizzow, Really I would look for another plug-in that does what you want
<DouweM>
the exception is being caught on line 523
<abdulsattar>
blizzow: Where did you get the line number 512 from? It's commented out in your pastie
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<DouweM>
so it does happen in 514, but that's just a call to line 47
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<blizzow>
centrx: I just grepeed for "CloudWatch metrics" (because it was in the error) on the file and it seemed to be around there. centrx, I haven't found any other plugin that would do the same or similar.
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<crucify_me>
hi line 10 is the body of the method using price, so does line 25 use the stock ruby method, <=>, or the <=> defined in this prog? http://pastie.org/8917193
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<DouweM>
crucify_me: line 25 calls <=> on a.year, which is an integer
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<DouweM>
so it'll call the integer's <=>, not your Painting <=>, which will be used when comparing paintings
<DouweM>
same goes for line 20—your own <=> isn't used anywhere in this example
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<crucify_me>
DouweM: thanks hold on somethings odd...
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<DouweM>
cheap paintings you've got there, btw :)
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<abdulsattar>
crucify_me: Never seen that style of writing ruby block parameters before, did you see it somewhere?
<DouweM>
yeah, the args on the next line is weird
<pipework>
abdulsattar: Those weren't block parameters.
<crucify_me>
its a book example abdulsattar
<pipework>
Oh you mean L24?
<abdulsattar>
pipework: yes,
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<abdulsattar>
crucify_me: But I like the style, makes the parameters more visible
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<crucify_me>
both price and year come in as arguments when three paintings are initialized on l. 14 - 16.
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<pipework>
I don't like the style. A whole line for block parameters?
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<crucify_me>
confused here. why isn't the <=> defined in the prog. used anywhere DouweM
<DouweM>
crucify_me: because you're never comparing paintings
<DouweM>
just their years and prices
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<DouweM>
you need to actually call picasso <=> rembrandt to use your custom Painting#<=> method
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<abdulsattar>
yes, line 20 could just be a <=> b
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<crucify_me>
DouweM: what is the lesson taught in this prog then?
<pipework>
Well, you can use comparable now.
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<abdulsattar>
crucify_me: The lesson taught in that prog is you can define < or > for any class you create.
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<crucify_me>
abdulsattar: but it goes on not to use the method defined....weird.
<DouweM>
that is weird
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<DouweM>
sure you've copied it correctly? :)
<crucify_me>
DouweM: book elsewhere. will check DouweM abdulsattar pipework thanks!
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<crucify_me>
DouweM: et al. , anyone ever read sandi metz book practical OO design in ruby?
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<pipework>
crucify_me: No one, ever.
<pipework>
It's a good book.
<crucify_me>
pipework I read the well-grounded rubyist, took a year off to learn rails (never learned it) now back with pure ruby.
<pipework>
good man.
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<crucify_me>
pipework: I wonder if the metz book is over my head. I don't get much oop.
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<pipework>
crucify_me: It's easy
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<crucify_me>
pipework: like above <=> example, I'm not one to mis-type an entire custom designed <=>. so I guess I have a lot of questions about it.
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<crucify_me>
but thanks ^
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<mr_blue>
hi all
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<mr_blue>
is youtube down ?
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<pipework>
IS this the best channel for figuring that out?
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<hermanmunster>
mr_blue: write a heroku app to tell us if youtube is down
<mr_blue>
pipework: i watch sometime ruby conferences on youtube so ...
<crucify_me>
pipework: et al. one last question if you have time. b*nagy told me ruby was a transferable skill whereas rails was not. that gelled with me and I wonder what other people say about such a comment...
<mr_blue>
so youtube and ruby are related !
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<pipework>
crucify_me: Egh, it's transferrable in that you might have learned more than rails while working with rails.
<pipework>
Like http things, middleware, etc.
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<mr_blue>
hermanmunster: write a heroku app to tell you when it's better no keep it close
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<crucify_me>
pipework: yeah I got flustered, I'm just going to treat ruby as a long-term hobby. thanks
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<pipework>
crucify_me: It totally is worth it! I love ruby.
<crucify_me>
pipework: excellent thanks for the encouragement. !!
<pipework>
Cheers. :D
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<DouweM>
I learned a lot of Ruby from reading the Rails core
<crucify_me>
I found rails bloody tough DouweM. I was using the hartl tutorial .. felt like a blind bat.
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<abdulsattar>
crucify_me: Do you know HTML, CSS?
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<DouweM>
crucify_me: what in particular did you find hard?
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<DouweM>
crucify_me: did you have any previous experience with MVC?
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<crucify_me>
abdulsattar: DouweM I have no programming experience. I went through the well-grounded rubyist book and could get most things to work. the rails was sort of overwhelming. the comment about learning pure ruby by b*nagy was interested and I think I'm going to master ruby first.
<crucify_me>
interesting*
<DouweM>
yeah, with no programming experience I definitely wouldn't dive into Rails immediately
<DouweM>
Ruby is great, and so is this channel if you need help :P
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<shevy>
die!
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<DouweM>
yo shevs
<crucify_me>
I even looked at padrino but there was little community it seems ! many thanks DouweM abdulsattar
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<abdulsattar>
crucify_me: I think it'll help you if you get into web development
<abdulsattar>
go through codeacademy once and then sinatra and then rails
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<crucify_me>
abdulsattar: codeacademy for ruby?
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<abdulsattar>
Not for Ruby, for web development, the HTML, CSS & JS part
<crucify_me>
ok abdulsattar thanks
<abdulsattar>
good luck!
<shevy>
crucify_me, well I would expect that, sinatra is not that large, and padrino builds on top of sinatra
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<shevy>
some frameworks seem to die slowly like ramaze
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<crucify_me>
abdulsattar: thanks. ... shevy
<shevy>
I also think there used to be well over 600 people on #RubyOnRails, nowadays it is in the range of 300 to 400
<crucify_me>
shevy: why
<abdulsattar>
so, Rails is dying?
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<Soulcutter>
not particularly as far as I can tell
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<shevy>
crucify_me not sure; rails probably had a hype phase, then it declined, so the current ratio may seem more realistic
<byprdct>
hi everyone. I've been told by a few people lately that ruby isn't a good programming language for what apps are being built for now e.g. concurrency apps etc. is ruby still ok to learn or should I be learning something else?
<abdulsattar>
Yeah, I don't think there's any framework that can match rails
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<crucify_me>
shevy: do you use rails for work?
<shevy>
crucify_me for ramaze, no idea, perhaps other interests or foci - I also think rack kinda took away a lot from the webframeworks in ruby, suddenly people need significantly less from a webframework because rack provides a lot now
<abdulsattar>
byprdct: Haskell is what you should learn
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<abdulsattar>
It's the language from the future
<shevy>
crucify_me not quite yet but it's on my todo list; the last month I was mostly hacking away just on postgresql and displaying this in old school .cgi alone
<byprdct>
why do you say that adbulsattar
<crome>
crucify_me: rails is extremely difficult to grasp if you don't understand whats going on under the hood
<DouweM>
byprdct: MRI, the main Ruby interpreter, has a global interpreter lock and therefore its use of threads is very limited. But that's a limitation in MRI, not Ruby. You can use another interpreter like JRuby that doesn't have a GIL and does have full threads
<Soulcutter>
byprdct: "apps being built for now" is incredibly vague. "concurrency apps" what does this even mean?
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<shevy>
abdulsattar can you explain in simple terms to byprdct what a monad is
<crome>
its a pretty badly leaking abstraction
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<abdulsattar>
shevy: monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors
<shevy>
hey
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<shevy>
someone else here said that before
<crucify_me>
crome: good call I sensed that throughout.
<shevy>
byprdct there you go! you now know enough about haskell
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<abdulsattar>
byprdct: Anyway, Ruby is still a good language
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<byprdct>
DouweM so programming in Ruby and using JRuby as the interpreter will allow us to implement apps similar to the way node.js handles concurrency
<abdulsattar>
It'll teach you some pretty good stuff, then you should wait till a very good language comes
<abdulsattar>
or Go gets better
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<abdulsattar>
or people start using Haskell more
<Soulcutter>
well, node.js is single-threaded
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<crome>
Soulcutter: if you do nitpicking then do it properly. node.js itself is not single-threaded, its the javascript execution thats sequential
<byprdct>
sorry I'm new to programming I know I probably have some stupid questions I just want to make sure I don't spend the next year learning something that will be hard to find a job for
<Soulcutter>
crome: I was waiting for that :)
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<byprdct>
I love ruby though what Ive read so far
<abdulsattar>
seriously, this is the mindset I have, Haskell is a good language without very good tools, Go is not a groundbreakingly good language with some very good tools, Ruby too is a good language with a lot of very good tools
<byprdct>
hearing about JRuby is definitely an pickup
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<DouweM>
:)
<crucify_me>
well I hated all the testing the capybara rspec cucumber in rails. I spent more time on that stuff than comprehending mvc.
<byprdct>
Thanks DouweM
<DouweM>
crucify_me: it's very, very good to learn
<slash_kick>
byprdct: have you seen torquebox?
<DouweM>
crucify_me: testing is intricate to any large application
<crucify_me>
DouweM: thanks ..keeping an open mind.
<crome>
crucify_me: you might skip cucumber though
<DouweM>
crucify_me: it can seem overwhelming if you're not used to it, it definitely was to me coming from iOS/Mac development where testing is pretty much nonextistent, but testing is so, so incredibly useful
<DouweM>
yeah, cucumber can be skipped
<crucify_me>
yeah crome if I want human language I'll read Faulkner.
<DouweM>
:)
<newbie1r>
hi, Aptana doesn't launch my ruby programs. It just says 'terminated' in the comments box. I extracted the aptana files to my user folder. Geany works fine. Do I have to do anything speacial in aptana like specifying any paths?
<crome>
crucify_me: the good thing about rails is it becomes second nature with time, convention over configuration does wonders if you get used to said convention
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<crucify_me>
crome: gratzie DouweM I gotta go more drama later.
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<crome>
have fun
<crome>
or luck
<crome>
or both
<crome>
or a beer
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<DouweM>
both from me
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<DouweM>
damn I could go for a beer right now
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<crucify_me>
!!
<crome>
yeah, Im actually wondering why Im not drinking one at the moment
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<DouweM>
I know why I'm not, none left in the fridge :(
<DouweM>
Also it's 12:12am an I'm going to bed in a minute
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<byprdct>
sorry got kicked off
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<shevy>
yeah
<shevy>
let's kick byprdct again!
<byprdct>
ha ha
<byprdct>
no my internet went down
<byprdct>
:)
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<byprdct>
shevy you know haskell too?
<shevy>
byprdct some years ago I worked with haskell briefly
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<shevy>
but there is nothing that haskell can offer that ruby can not fulfil
<byprdct>
ok
<byprdct>
what about Scala
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<byprdct>
same
<shevy>
is that the java one?
<DouweM>
They're both Turing complete, so obviously both can do whatever :P
<Soulcutter>
scala is a jvm language
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<shevy>
k
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<abdulsattar>
byprdct: I mentioned Haskell as a joke, don't take it seriously
<shevy>
byprdct I am java free so there goes scala
<byprdct>
yeha
<Soulcutter>
I dabbled in scala and found it to be very complex
<pipework>
shevy: poor shevy. Can't even JVM.
<DouweM>
For uni I had to build a web app using Haskell. That was not exactly fun
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<byprdct>
ok :) adulsattar
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<shevy>
pipework yeah, I would have to have java for it, that is not possible
<pipework>
Well, you'd need the JVM and it probably has some java in it.
<Soulcutter>
it's definitely powerful, but it's not necessarily optimized for developer happiness the way ruby is
<byprdct>
This torque box uses Jboss, isn't that the same
<byprdct>
Java
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<shevy>
well it has a capital J in it
<byprdct>
lol
<abdulsattar>
lol
<Soulcutter>
if you want great scala information you should probably ask #scala
<byprdct>
nah all I needed was confirmation which I got
<byprdct>
I'm learning ruby
<shevy>
byprdct I think the only thing I regret is that I did not start with C before ruby
<byprdct>
how so?
<shevy>
I mean, I know the basics but the pointers confused me and then it got boring
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<shevy>
byprdct dunno. I am not a programmer for one, I use ruby only as the glue for everything computer-related
<Soulcutter>
you'll likely program in multiple languages in your career, so I wouldn't sweat picking the "right one"
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<shevy>
byprdct but man, think what you could do with C _and_ ruby
<byprdct>
desktop apps
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<shevy>
and now, C seems way too difficult or boring compared to ruby
<DouweM>
what would you want to do with C?
<shevy>
everything!
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<shevy>
a new language!
<shinobi_one>
C++ maybe, but C?
<DouweM>
If you don't have to work on embedded systems or low level language implementation, there's not really a point
<shevy>
well I am already too old for that but 15 years ago!
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<shevy>
DouweM but ruby is written in C
<DouweM>
I know it because of the Pebble smartwatch and I already knew the basics because of Objective-C, but I haven't found any use for it otherwise
<DouweM>
shevy: right. low level language implementation
<shevy>
shinobi_one I can't see the huge difference between C or C++ really
<abdulsattar>
shevy: Watch out for Rust, people say it could be the new C or C++
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<shevy>
Rust looks all the same
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<DouweM>
shevy: OOP is a big one
<shevy>
DouweM well, that depends on the OOP ... we have ... gtk in C!!!
<shevy>
:D
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<shevy>
let me try to find the old example...
<itamaryu>
Hi guys, I need your help and ideas. I'm trying to reach to the affiliate field and I'm looking for a way to send the user from my website to the affiliate page (which is not mine), when the user complete the conversion I want to be notified. Is there a way to do that without being relay on the affiliate page ?
<shevy>
cout << "bla" << endl; or something like that
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<DouweM>
I've never written C++
<shevy>
in C I had to use printf or sprintf, I forgot, but it was no fun at all :(
<abdulsattar>
itamaryu: so, you want the affiliate page which is not yours to notify you when a successful conversion occurs?
<shevy>
DouweM I also wanted to try out erlang more seriously but the syntax threw me off
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<pipework>
It's a simple language.
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<shevy>
pipework don't take away the mystery :(
<abdulsattar>
shevy: what's your opinion on Go?
<shevy>
abdulsattar dunno... it seemed cleaner than C though, some people here like it, like bnagy
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<shevy>
pipework I loved the idea of distributed objects all over the place, it's like biological cells in a multicellular organism
<abdulsattar>
yeah, but python and ruby people flocking to it makes little sense, Go is not that expressive, is it?
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<shevy>
well
<DouweM>
shevy: You've quickly become one of my favorite people in this chat, but I don't even know your name or anything else about you. So I ask you, who is shevy?
<shevy>
I know of one guy on #ruby who learned Go
<shevy>
the reason he gave was that he had a head-start (advantage) back then because barely anyone else used Go yet
<Soulcutter>
DouweM: Who is anyone?
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<shevy>
I dunno if he still uses Go
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<shevy>
DouweM I am on a search for myself as well :P the nick was from a MUD I played in the 1990s, it kinda stayed
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<DouweM>
:)
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<shevy>
I have been very lazy for a long time, using gems since only at about 2 years and still not having found an ideal fit
<shevy>
especially documentation is hard
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<shevy>
DouweM but I am finally using ruby 2.1.1!
<Soulcutter>
shevy: what MUD? I started programming in earnest because of MUDs
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<Soulcutter>
I was on a lot of LPMuds back in the day
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<shevy>
Soulcutter a LPC MUD it used to be. I loved the object handling (in general); sword->move(find_player("bla")); , it was PaderMUD back then, renamed to Xyllomer, then kinda died when some admin made idiotic decisions
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<DouweM>
shevy: still on Ruby 1.9.3 here (A)
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<shevy>
and of course I also tried to write a MUD in ruby, but I stepped on my own toes... ruby offers a damn lot, it can confuse when you need to pick features or decide on things
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<shevy>
DouweM I would be as well but tenderlove actually made a syck gem, I did not know that until today
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<shevy>
and it works! so my invalid yaml files now work... I can then generate valid yaml files for my gems... and upload these \o/ but not today
<shevy>
but in LPC, a 0 is false, and function calls on an object always work, in ruby not
<DouweM>
crome: high five
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<Soulcutter>
DouweM: mudders are pretty rare
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<toretore>
i know there's a deadlock there, i'm just curious how people solve it
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<shevy>
sword->query_length(); # works, returns length in cm if it was defined
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<shevy>
sword->query_lenght(); # typo, will return 0 by default
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<bnagy>
well LPC was basically trying to make C more OO so non-hardcore programmers could use it
<shevy>
:)
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<bnagy>
I mean, the only qualification to get wizzed was time, not programming ability
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<bnagy>
on most muds anyway
<shevy>
DouweM I think they were strong in the 1990 to 1999; then came the rise of graphical games, also the browser games etc...
<crome>
toretore: in << you lock the mutex and then in scanner again
<shevy>
yeah bnagy
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<toretore>
crome: you mean release the lock in between?
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<toretore>
oh, you were just pointing out the deadlock
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<bnagy>
toretore: what am I missing? There are no threads in this code
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<shevy>
Soulcutter when I started with ruby, some folks wanted to create a MUD; FaerieMUD. ged is on #ruby sometimes, the creator... Aria also used to be there, but seems to have disappeared a few years ago
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<toretore>
i know where the deadlock is, i'm just curious to know what best practice is
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<crome>
oh, okay
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<toretore>
i can make several locks, but it seems messy
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<bnagy>
shevy: I played kind of a lot from like 89 to 96 I guess
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<DouweM>
shevy: I was born in 94, so that's before my time :)
<bnagy>
after that they seemed to definitely be in decline
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<bnagy>
toretore: best practice for what, though. I don't see your threading model
<shevy>
bnagy cool! I started a few years later, from 1994 to 1999
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<shevy>
DouweM I guess you missed the old MUDs
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<bnagy>
like using your own mutex internal to an object is not really threading
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<shevy>
DouweM but at least you ... uhm... saw the rise of facebook! \o/
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<DouweM>
hah
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<crome>
shevy: haha, it was mean
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<crome>
although I guess it can be regarded as a multi-user dungeon
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<shevy>
crome hehe, well to be honest... I don't really know what the young people do these days :(
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<shevy>
I see them all with smartphones of course, constantly shuffling music
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<shevy>
but it reminds me more of zombies than people
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<shevy>
and facebook I have no idea what it is
<DouweM>
shevy: how old are you?
<crome>
with an important difference though
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<crome>
it is legal to beat zombies with pipes
<DouweM>
lol
<shevy>
DouweM I reached the age where it is no longer polite to ask ;)
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<DouweM>
goes to show that I'm one of those kids ou complain about :P
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<shevy>
dunno
<shevy>
depends on what you do of course
<DouweM>
asking impolite questions, for one
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<shevy>
nah I do that all the time myself
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<shevy>
but the young ones scare me :\
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<DouweM>
haha
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<csmrfx>
here everybody seems to have their nose in their device at times
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<crome>
I broke the screen of mine recently
<shevy>
lol
<shevy>
DouweM crome scares me the most
<DouweM>
lol
<DouweM>
csmrfx: who needs actual friends when you have irc
<crome>
considering how I have been around for maybe 2 days, I take it as a compliment
<csmrfx>
DouweM: I suspect most are doing SoMe and texting etc
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<DouweM>
what's SoMe?
<shevy>
DouweM a big problem that I have noticed in around the people of my age are that they have almost all transformed into family-folks; they hang out with their kids and spend time very differently now altogether
<DouweM>
ah right
<csmrfx>
DouweM: hehe, think hard
<DouweM>
:P didn't interpret it as an abbreviation