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<shevy> Rylee how do you want to sleep without sleep
<Rylee> actually, err, I might have made a major dumb
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<Rylee> right, I should be doing this with regards to the application i'm scripting. whoops.
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<atlas__> hi all, I'm going through the ruby koans and have a question about def test_calling_methods_in_same_class_with_explicit_receiver
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<atlas__> i'm just wondering what this is illustrating
<atlas__> what is meant by explicit_receiver and how it's different than the preceeding method
<jhass> have a look at the next two tests
<atlas__> fair enough
<atlas__> will do
<benzrf> atlas__: fun fact
<benzrf> try clicking the line numbers on a github file
<benzrf> now look @ your address bar
<atlas__> oh that's slick
<atlas__> thanks for the tip :)
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<adkron> Anyone know anything about FFI
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<apeiros> yeah, but anyone left the channel just 5min ago
<centrx> woops
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<apeiros> adkron: more seriously though - just ask your question. metaquestions suck.
* apeiros off, n8
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<csmrfx> 8)
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<crucify_me> hi it seems that this prog. runs twice. I get two sets of output ... thanks: pastie.org/8934064
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<crucify_me> why? ^^
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<popl> http://pastie.org/8934064 # clickable
<popl> crucify_me: What have you tried in order to determine the cause of your problem?
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<popl> We will also need to see the output you get.
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<crucify_me> popl I have been reading over it 'tis all. one sec
<popl> what?
<popl> oh
<popl> yeah, try reducing the complexity of the code until you get to a basic test case
<crucify_me> popl thanks output here: http://pastie.org/8934072
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<popl> That's what I would do.
<popl> Why do you want to print the object id?
<crucify_me> it's a book example featuring pop / push I guess popl
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<crucify_me> popl it returns two sets of three objects instead of one like it loops.
<popl> I see the correct output on my system.
<RubyPanther> crucify_me: you're using print without a newline, and not flushing
<popl> I did remove the require_relative though
<popl> I figure it's a buffer issue
<RubyPanther> crucify_me: change print to puts
<crucify_me> RubyPanther: one sec thanks
<popl> If puts flushes the buffer wouldn't a puts after a p handle all the flushing?
<popl> *I don't figure
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<popl> RubyPanther: the object ids are all different, like it's been done twice.
<RubyPanther> popl: sure, but also a newline at the end of the print should do it
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<crucify_me> sorry I dont follow flushing popl RubyPanther but I changed all the prints to puts and get plenty more output
<RubyPanther> in any case, mixing print and puts without line termination is bad, straightening that out gets it out of the way if there is another problme
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<popl> ruby flushes the buffer when it encounters a newline?
<popl> nevermind, I'll look it up
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<crucify_me> RubyPanther: if anything like a loop occurs, on which line would it occur? I'm getting six distinct objects in the output.
<crucify_me> I understand the buffer only from playing a bit with pry.
<RubyPanther> crucify_me: I'm guessing your script is named stacklike.rb and your require_relative reloads the script the first time
<popl> that's my guess too!
<popl> I was just testing it :P
<RubyPanther> just verified
<crucify_me> excellent thanks popl RubyPanther
<popl> I had to install required_relative
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<crucify_me> the file is named stacklike.rb so it's a naming convention problem?
<popl> crucify_me: https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Flushing-Buffers.html # specifically about libc but still informative
<popl> crucify_me: do you understand what's going on?
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<RubyPanther> crucify_me: no you just should never require the file that is already loaded :) you should name your script something different than the module, and then you only require when it is in a different file
<popl> you don't really need to require it if its in the same file
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<RubyPanther> require is just for loading files, it doesn't do anything with the namespace
<popl> by it I meant the stacklike module
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<crucify_me> popl: RubyPanther o.k. I vaguely understand. so on which line does the program decide to run again?
<crucify_me> so to speak ^^
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<crucify_me> ok yeah I just commented out line 17 require_relative 'stacklike' and it works. many thanks RubyPanther popl
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<popl> crucify_me: do you know what require_relative does?
<RubyPanther> crucify_me: it literally loads and runs another copy when it hits the require, and the original pass through the code comes out as the second output after the require finishes
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<RubyPanther> the only reason it doesn't go into a recursive death-spiral is that require remembers the filename and skips it the second time
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<crucify_me> popl: RubyPanther yeah its calling the module twice on lines 17 (incorrectly) and 23 (correctly)
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<crucify_me> right? ^^
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<RubyPanther> crucify_me: line 17 works like (pseudocode) "goto start, run until the end, then continue from here" line 23 has nothing to do with it
<RubyPanther> require has to do with files, it has nothing to do with namespaces
<RubyPanther> and in this case, re-running the module definitions is a harmless waste of time. It is the procedural script-y parts that cause the problem
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<popl> [s]he probably doesn't understand your namespace reference.
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<crucify_me> RubyPanther: using print ? Yeah sorry I don't understand namespace in this case.
<crucify_me> popl^^
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<xybre> Anyone remember the incantation (or a link to it) for a file able to detect if it was require/loaded versus executed on the commandline?
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<xybre> if File.basename($0) == File.basename(__FILE__) then
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<xybre> That seems to work.
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<centrx> nice
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<atlas__> hi all just going through the koans and having a bit of a brain fart on this one
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<atlas__> seems to me the condition given to that function (true,false) would always yeild :true_stuff
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<atlas__> can anyone see why I'm thinking that way and maybe help me out on why it's not the way i think it is
<centrx> "the condition" ?
<centrx> it is called with different arguments...
<atlas__> yes, in both cases...I don't see why it's not :true_stuff for both true and flase values
<atlas__> if false yield :true_stuff
<atlas__> if true yield :true_stuff
<popl> atlas__: what do you mean?
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<atlas__> popl: sorry I'm having trouble explaining my err in reasoning here
<atlas__> it looks like to me, that function should return :true_stuff whether you give it a true argument or a false argument
<popl> why?
<centrx> but false is falsey
<centrx> if false is not the same as if true
<centrx> that would make the if statement useless
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<popl> if for-some-definition-of-truth
<popl> if for-some-other-slightly-less-truthy-definition-of-truth
<popl> if false
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<popl> ternary logic
<popl> Where's my profit?
<atlas__> hmmm
<centrx> >> expr = false; if expr then "expr was like true" else "expr was like false" end
<eval-in> centrx => "expr was like false" (https://eval.in/120812)
<centrx> >> expr = nil; if expr then "expr was like true" else "expr was like false" end
<eval-in> centrx => "expr was like false" (https://eval.in/120813)
<centrx> >> expr = "robot"; if expr then "expr was like true" else "expr was like false" end
<eval-in> centrx => "expr was like true" (https://eval.in/120814)
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<centrx> >> expr = 5; if expr then "expr was like true" else "expr was like false" end
<eval-in> centrx => "expr was like true" (https://eval.in/120815)
<centrx> >> expr = 0; if expr then "expr was like true" else "expr was like false" end
<eval-in> centrx => "expr was like true" (https://eval.in/120816)
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<atlas__> ohhhh wow it's late
<atlas__> I see it now
<atlas__> sorry guys that was bad
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<atlas__> the true/false after the if is an evaluated condition...so if false is like if 2 == 1 do some stuff, else do other
<atlas__> i was thinking like...if condition == false do this and if condition == true do that...which would do what I was originally thinking
<atlas__> if that makes sense.
<xybre> Thats sorta like a `case` statement.
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<atlas__> yeah
<atlas__> cool
<atlas__> what drives the decision in ruby to have both 0 and 1 evaluate to true ?
<centrx> Only false and nil are false
<xybre> atlas__: all objects are truthy
<xybre> Except FalseClass and NillClass
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<atlas__> quite different from python
<atlas__> but interesting
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<xybre> Whats Python's rule?
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<atlas__> xybre: empty dictionaries, arrays, 0, etc. evaluate to false
<atlas__> dictionarys == hash
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<Sawbones> Does anyone here know a gem to create html/css/javascript desktop gui's?
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<atlas__> principle of least astonishment isn't exactly being followed here when 0 evalutes to true...
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<centrx> atlas__, It makes sense, even if it might not be what you are used to
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<atlas__> centrx: for sure, just a different way of thinking about things
<centrx> atlas__, Principle of least astonishment is for people who learn the language. Some languages still manage to astonish developers who have used to for years
<centrx> s/people who learn the language/experienced users of the language
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<visof_> hello
<centrx> Ahoy
<visof_> if i have arr = ["hello", "world", "foo", "bar"] and can i get : {"hello" => "world", "foo" => "bar"} ?
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<visof_> for even array's length
<visof_> the best way to do this?
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<centrx> visof_, What version of Ruby?
<visof_> jruby
<centrx> visof_, Hash[*arr]
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<sigurding> anyone here used the sigar ruby binding?
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<amh345> anyone here ever dealt with SOAP/Savon? I'm in the middle of a personal hell over this. I'm trying to create an array/multidimensional array/hash/etc and no matter what i do soap.body {session,blah,array} sends the array/etc as escaped xml.
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<csmrfx> amh345: as supposed
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<amh345> que?
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<csmrfx> sera?
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<csmrfx> amh345: maybe you should first do your homework? http://www.soapuser.com/basics3.html
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<amh345> csmrfx: i just wanted to tell you. thanks. for that link. i mean you know exactly what the problem is. and the solution is totally in that link....somewhere.. so thank you.
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<csmrfx> amh345: actually, nobody here can tell what the problem is, and that is entirely up to you
<apeiros> amh345: you say you use soap, you say savon sends your response as xml (and consider that a problem), csmrfx tells you that soap is XML and it's what you should expect
<csmrfx> but, just pointing out that the messaging is *supposed* to be xml
<apeiros> amh345: so I guess it's up to you to clarify what exactly your problem is with the request generated by savon.
<amh345> apeiros: yes. what you are saying is correct.
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<amh345> what csmrfx initially said was..... typical irc fodder.
<amh345> and yawn
<csmrfx> but to start on a sarcastic vein, I do have a feeling the problem is somewhere between the "have to do this" and "didn't bother to do homework!"
<amh345> csmrfx: isn't that where every problem lays?
<amh345> honestly now. I'm not saying there's a big.
<apeiros> whoops, "sends your response as xml" -> request of course, not response
<amh345> bug*
<csmrfx> amh345: and what you said, is irrelevant, and until you help yourself, you are beyond help
<apeiros> amh345: maybe you could post what savon generates for you and what you expected instead
<csmrfx> also, enjoy your place on my ignore list
<amh345> apeiros: I'm creating the gist now.
<amh345> csmrfx: have fun.
<amh345> honestly, i don't get why people jump out and say "do your homework" soap is universally hated as far as i can see.
<amh345> ok, any who. gist.
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<amh345> i haven't been able to pinpoint it yet. but it feels like as soon as i go into a nested hash... or multidimensional array... something goes wrong. but i can't pinpoint it.
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<apeiros> amh345: the problem is that you hand it xml as a string
<apeiros> it's considered text and text is escaped
<apeiros> i.e., `:args => {:item => 'X'}` would get you <args><item>X</item></args>
<amh345> i can't figure out how to pass it in.
<amh345> i was just about to say what you mentioned works.
<amh345> so, do i have to pass in the builder directly into :args?
<apeiros> but you do `:args => '<item>X</item>'`, and that gets you `<args>…escaped xml…</args>`
<apeiros> I haven't used savon
<apeiros> so I don't know whether you can pass it a builder
<apeiros> but why use a builder at all?
<amh345> i've also tried to pass it an array. same result.
<apeiros> pass in a nested hash/array. savon will build the xml for you
<apeiros> paste the code and result for that try please.
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<amh345> will do. I'm throwing errors on connecting now. i think i might have had this account disabled. yay
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<apeiros> testing against a live API?
<amh345> ah ok. it's back again. one moment. ill post the results of the hash test
<amh345> well, it's a sandbox.
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<csmrfx> huh?
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<shevy> hey
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<popl> what?
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<shevy> hi!
<shevy> say hi popl!
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<shevy> any of you answering questions on stackoverflow?
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<kjs> I have a .html file I need to strip out just the domains from it e.g blah.com - any thoughts?
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<abdulsattar> kjs: %s/[a-z]+\.[a-z]+//gc
<abdulsattar> or something better than that
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<popl> abdulsattar: That might not work in all cases.this one in particular.
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<abdulsattar> popl: %s/[a-z]\+\.[a-z]\+//gc; I didn't know we had to escape + in Vim
<popl> abdulsattar: still doesn't catch my edge case
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<abdulsattar> It catches blah.com
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<popl> whatever
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<AlexRussia> someone know, how to make jekyll blog nin not empty repo?
<AlexRussia> in not empty directory*
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<shevy> I dont even know what is jekyll
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<popl> static blogging software
<popl> people use it a lot for their github blogs
<popl> right now I'm using blio
<popl> I might switch to jekyll, or just patch the shit out of blio
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<popl> none of this is relevant nor topical
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<superlou> I had a question about entity-component systems (I'm using the artemis-ruby framework, but i don't think the specific framework is key). Is there a more appropriate channel to use?
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<shevy> what is a good way to store objects and load them again?
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<havenwood> shevy: serialize to a file or db
<certainty> store in memory any hope that the program never stops
<certainty> *scnr*
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<havenwood> shevy: how much data? enough that storing it in memory as well a on disk is sane?
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<shevy> havenwood hmm not much data; the objects will eventually hold playerdata
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<shevy> certainty well I need to restore after a reboot or a crash
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<havenwood> shevy: so many options, but one would be MessagePack with Redis
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<havenwood> shevy: or YAML::Store or PStore
<shevy> hmm
<jhass> or just Marshal
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<art-solopov> Should I put database fixture loading at database configuration point (i.e. before any tests) or at setup point (i.e. before each test)? Thank you.
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<shevy> hmm
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<certainty> shevy: personally i'd not store entire objects but only the data needed to restore the objects
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<havenwood> shevy: here's a little stab i did at a Redis serializer gem proof of concept: https://github.com/havenwood/bindi#readme
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<jhass> art-solopov: I don't think you can generalize that. Depending on the amount any of before suite, before a group of tests that use it, before each test and lazily on usage can make sense
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<havenwood> shevy: i need to fix that up, some glaring deficiencies i've been meaning to address to make it actually useable ;)
<art-solopov> jhass: Thank you.
<shevy> havenwood hehe
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<shevy> time to read up
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<Mongey-> irc.feenode.net != irc.freenode.net
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<Kolahzary> hi,
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<Kolahzary> is there any easy to use compiler for compiling python exploits?
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<Kolahzary> oh
<Kolahzary> ruby exploits :D
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<nouitfvf> what are "ruby exploits"?
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<Kolahzary> some codes in this website are written in ruby
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<Kolahzary> i want a easy way to compile these codes
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<nouitfvf> they are written for use with metasploit
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<Kolahzary> no, not all
<Kolahzary> some of them are python
<Kolahzary> some sh
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<Kolahzary> some metasploit
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<nouitfvf> please provide an example of non-metasploit ruby script :)
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<Kolahzary> i don't know anything about ruby
<Kolahzary> but
<Kolahzary> This is a python script
<Kolahzary> it don't need metasploit
<nouitfvf> huh
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<nouitfvf> this is channel about ruby
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<Kolahzary> okey
<Kolahzary> but
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<Kolahzary> i'm very beginner about ruby
<Kolahzary> !
<Kolahzary> just
<Kolahzary> how to use it?
<Kolahzary> have it a compiler
<Kolahzary> or interpreter
<Kolahzary> or... ?
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<nouitfvf> it has interpreter like a python
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<Kolahzary> and it's download link... Please! :D
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<nouitfvf> use your package manager ;)
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<Kolahzary> :-"
<Kolahzary> I'm in microsoft windows seven ultimate
<Kolahzary> can i use it under windows?
<Kolahzary> or it's only for linux?
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<Kolahzary> if it's for linux, i can install it on a virtual machine
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<Kolahzary> using VirtualBox
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<shevy> Kolahzary you can use it on windows too
<shevy> Kolahzary http://rubyinstaller.org/
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<shevy> but if you are not yet using any scripting languages then perhaps you dont need scripting languages
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<Kolahzary> i know every thing about C, C++, Visual Basic
<Kolahzary> Something about python
<Kolahzary> and nothing about ruby :D
<Kolahzary> i can learn new languages fast!
<shevy> well you have python already
<shevy> so why learn ruby
<Kolahzary> because i know programing basics like loop, condition, variable, array and ...
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<Kolahzary> a question: is python better than ruby? or..
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<shevy> python and ruby are pretty similar
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<shevy> pick one and that's it
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<Kolahzary> it means ruby(like python) is very easy?
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<Kolahzary> writing programs in python is realy easy
<Kolahzary> ruby is easy too?
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<jhass> Kolahzary: http://tryruby.org
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<adkron> apeiros: sorry about my metaquestion and then disapperance yesterday
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<Kolahzary> thanks jhass
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<Kolahzary> this website help me a lot
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<Kolahzary> first minute i learned that ruby is realy realy easey! like python
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<Kolahzary> Good bye all...
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<apeiros> adkron: no need to apologize. I mean you didn't misbehave or something :) I just told you how I feel about meta-questions
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<toretore> what is a meta question?
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<apeiros> "may I ask a question?"
<apeiros> "did anyone ever use X?"
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<toretore> apeiros: *wink, wink* ;)
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<apeiros> oh you!
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<steve009> Anyone use github at work/for work?
<apeiros> I believe anyone does, sadly you just missed him.
<apeiros> I/we use it at work too
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<steve009> You guys do any time tracking for your work? Like harvest or something similar?
<apeiros> no
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<tcsc> is there a version of ||= that won't clobber the left hand side if it's false (but will if its nil)?
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<jhass> no
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<shevy> is python better than ruby?
<tcsc> bah
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<tcsc> shevy: what kind of question is that
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<shevy> a very simple question
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<tcsc> neither is better
<toretore> it is a question with a relative, subjective answer and thus it is not a simple question
<tcsc> its up to taste
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<tcsc> idk how accurate i think tiobe is, but even if you do think it's accurate it measures popularity
<tcsc> i mean, who uses delphi?
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<tcsc> you asked in a ruby channel so most people here probably prefer ruby.
<art-solopov> tcsc: My friend used to work at a place that used Delphi. It was some kind of state organization.
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<art-solopov> Plus, IMHO more popular doesn't mean better.
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<tcsc> did they write new code or just maintain
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<art-solopov> tcsc: I don't know actually. I know he was a dev, but I don't know whether they wrote any new code...
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<tcsc> i figure stuff like that is usually just maintenance
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<certainty> they have F# on the list
<tcsc> even so, no way delphi is used 15th overall
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<art-solopov> tcsc: IMHO Delphi is kinda PHP of GUI development.
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<tcsc> i also hope visual basic isn't as high as it is on that list
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<apeiros> visual basic is in corpocrate everywhere
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<tcsc> i always thought vb was the php of gui development but thats just me
<art-solopov> apeiros: You mean stuff like macros and stuff?
<apeiros> I think "Delphi is kinda PHP of GUI development" is a very apt assessment
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<apeiros> art-solopov: macros and glue
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<apeiros> art-solopov: also GUI apps (instead of e.g. delphi)
<certainty> delphi is only the IDE isn't it? It's object pascal, i mean the language
<art-solopov> certainty: Yes, but IIRC the only realisation of that language aside from Delphi is Lazarus.
<apeiros> certainty: I thought also some libs, but /me is largely ignorant about delphi
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<certainty> i'm ignorant about it too :)
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<art-solopov> apeiros: I mean, more than 50% of the bachelor projects at our uni were like "Duuuuh, lessa take MS Access and slappa some Delphi forms onto it!"
<certainty> art-solopov: ah, i see. Didn't know lazarus
<art-solopov> certainty: Lazarus is, basically, open source Delphi.
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<apeiros> yeah, many colleagues at ETH zurich also used delphi
<certainty> personally i think that list is crap
<apeiros> but then again… that's now ~10y ago
<certainty> they say nothing about the specific under which it was derived
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<certainty> specifics
<apeiros> hm? afaik they document how the value is measured
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<tcsc> i'd also be surprised if there was more objective-c than c++ code out there
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<tcsc> but maybe thats just my personal experience biasing me
<apeiros> "The definition of the TIOBE index can be found *here*.", here: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/tpci_definition.htm
<certainty> apeiros: oops, missed that
<apeiros> :-p
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<shevy> ruby dropped in one year by 5 ranks
<shevy> I estimate that according to TIOBE, this means that either ruby lost like 20% of its developers
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<shevy> OR there was like a massive gain in new programmers for the other programming languages during that time
<certainty> apeiros: that's still a lame index. The sources of information are questionable at least. Well they don't really say what the index is useful for apart from vague phrases so that's perfectly fine probably. This way they can justify inaccuracy.
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<shevy> the coolest is TransactSQL
<shevy> it reads to me like "INSERT MS ADVERTIZEMENT HERE"
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<art-solopov> Can anyone help me on Mongoid?
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<FenixFyreX> can anyone help with installation of the ruby glfw3 gem by nilium?
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<sobersabre> hi.
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<sobersabre> I want to add logging to my code, and I'm looking at 'logging' gem.
<sobersabre> what dangers it hides ?
<sobersabre> :)
<sobersabre> I mean performance, etc.
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<shevy> FenixFyreX did you download the .gem yet
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<FenixFyreX> I have tried building it both locally and from the repository
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<FenixFyreX> I think its rather that I'm not installing glfw3 right on my system, because there is no glfw3.pc file anywhere to be found, only glfw3.pc.in
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<art-solopov> I have a question. I have a part which must be loaded before all tests (namely, Mongoid configuration). I tried putting it into Rakefile, but it didn't seem to propagate into actual tests. I use Minitest as testing framework. I see three ways: 1. Putting it into setup; 2. Overriding initialize; 3. Putting it into helper module which will do it and write several @@ variables. Which is better?
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<shevy> FenixFyreX yeah glfw3.pc.in is used to create the glfw3.pc file
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<FenixFyreX> shevy how do you do that though? This is what I can't figure out. :P
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<shevy> normally when you compile from source
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<shevy> some part of GNU does it, I think gnu autoconf ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/autoconf/
<shevy> those .in files are very ugly to read
<shevy> well
<shevy> not for .pc files
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<shevy> because they are small
<shevy> Version: @VERSION@
<shevy> Requires: @VTE_PKGS@
<shevy> but still, quite ugly
<shevy> most .pc files are only like 10 lines
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<FenixFyreX> shevy, I've just built glfw3 correctly using msys makefiles. all glfw3 examples run great via their exe files. However, there is still no glfw3.pc in the src directory?
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> it should normally reside in pkgconfig/glfw3.pc
<shevy> or rather, $PREFIX_YOU_USED_FOR_COMPILATION/pkgconfig/glfw3.pc
<shevy> I dont know what is glfw3 really btw
<shevy> I left the windows world 10 years ago :)
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<shevy> pkg-config usually finds the proper .pc files... 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0 --cflags'
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<adkron> How would I map double *y in FFI? Also struct foo **x?
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> the largest package manager in ruby is machomebrew right?
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<centrx> ?
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<havenwood> shevy: brew > macports > fink
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<shevy> hmm
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<shevy> the python folks should have portage/emerge
<shevy> perl guys have dpkg
<shevy> php guys have nothing (hahahaha)
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<csmrfx> wat, is brew made in ruby?
<apeiros> shevy: php has pear
<havenwood> shevy: Brew is Ruby, Fink is Perl
<havenwood> csmrfx: yup
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<havenwood> shevy: MacPort is Tcl.
<shevy> hmm
<havenwood> MacPorts*
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<shevy> MacPorts is the official one used by osx users?
<havenwood> no
<havenwood> There is no official OS X package manager.
<shevy> oh
<havenwood> shevy: Homebrew is the most common, followed by MacPorts then Fink.
<shevy> for some strange reason I always thought there must be an official one
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<havenwood> shevy: Well, the Mac App Store.
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<havenwood> shevy: Then the very least used (?) OS X package manager, Rudix: http://rudix.org/
<havenwood> shevy: Python
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<shevy> lol
<shevy> rudi rudi rudi gib acht
<pontiki> in Apple's view, mac users don't do development on anything except applications to be sold through the app store
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<havenwood> shevy: brew (Ruby) > macports (Tcl) > fink (Perl) > rudix (Python)
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<shevy> havenwood you know even esoteric stuff
<havenwood> shevy: i *may* spend too much time on the Githubs :P
<shevy> hehe
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<havenwood> though if you're actually using OS X as a multi-user system, brew isn't appropriate
<Nilium> Hm, odd that the guy was asking how to install my GLFW3 gem but didn't create an issue and didn't ping me at all.
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<Nilium> brew routinely craps itself if you try to keep /usr/local root-owned.
<pontiki> i find that sort of behaviour rather normal, really
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<Nilium> It'll sort of work for a while and then something will get very, very weird
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<pontiki> who shares a development machine anymore?
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<Nilium> People with multiple personalities
<danno1> Can I do an assert without extending a TestCase?
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<pontiki> touché Nilium
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<pontiki> nevertheless, we all use the same account
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<Nilium> Eating ultra-dry leftover chicken is extremely challenging.
<apeiros> danno1: all assertions are in Minitest::Assertions
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<apeiros> (or Test::Unit::Assertions iirc, if you don't want to use minitest)
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<benzrf> hej da
<benzrf> i had an idea
<benzrf> o wait this is #ruby not ##programming
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<shevy> lol
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<matti> ;]
<matti> Oh no.
<matti> I am on entirely wrong channel then!
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<The_NetZ> hey. supposing I have a set of nested arrays, say [[1, "Foo", foodata], [2, "Bar", bardata], [3, "Baz", bazdata]], and I want to transfer this data into a hash, say data = { Foo: => foodata, Bar: => bardata, Baz: => bazdata } what would be the optimal way to do this? (and yes, I am excluding the first items in the array deliberatly.)
<apeiros> The_NetZ: Hash[] and map
* The_NetZ notes
<apeiros> >> ary = [[:key, "value"], [:key2, "value2]]; Hash[ary]
<eval-in> apeiros => /tmp/execpad-0cb6f71ada2a/source-0cb6f71ada2a:5: syntax error, unexpected tGVAR, expecting ']' ... (https://eval.in/121075)
<apeiros> bah
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<apeiros> >> ary = [[:key, "value"], [:key2, "value2"]]; Hash[ary]
<eval-in> apeiros => {:key=>"value", :key2=>"value2"} (https://eval.in/121076)
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<The_NetZ> oh hey, array has a to_h method now!
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<apeiros> yes, as of 2.1
<apeiros> >> ary = [[:key, "value"], [:key2, "value2"]]; ary.to_h
<eval-in> apeiros => {:key=>"value", :key2=>"value2"} (https://eval.in/121077)
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<The_NetZ> very cool stuff...
<matti> +1 for to_h
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<shevy> +1 to to_matter
<shevy> damn it
<shevy> +1 to to_matti
<shevy> it's still wrong! :(
<shevy> +1 for to_matti
<shevy> finally
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<The_NetZ> XD
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<shevy> dumdedum
<shevy> today is a fairly quiet day on #ruby
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<centrx> shevy, ssshhh
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<budrose> I'm interested in contributing to ruby core, any tips on getting started?
<centrx> Learn C and Japanese
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<The_NetZ> centrx: sounds about right XD
<budrose> centrx: My c is good, my japanese mediocre =)
<centrx> Look at the bugs/feature requests at https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/projects/ruby-trunk
<centrx> Submit some patches
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<The_NetZ> centrx: then get chewd out for dishonoring the source XD
<budrose> as an aside, I'm a Python refugee. I can't get over how much ruby just makes me smile when I use it
<centrx> Ruby is optimized for programming happiness
<Rylee> that sounds pretty accurage
<budrose> centrx: I also like that it was heavily influenced by Lisp
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<Rylee> s/g/t/ # spelling not included with your package of Rylee
<Nilium> I'd say s/lisp/smalltalk/
<centrx> Yes (Smalltalk)
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<shevy> budrose you need to get to know the internals, usually the bugs section is good
<shevy> find a small bug
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<budrose> shevy: Python has an 'easy' flag for bugs targeting new contributors, is there a similar thing in ruby?
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<shevy> budrose the website is in english, you won't need japanese, but many japanese devs have bad english so it helps if you can complement the missing grammar mentally for them
<crome_> or simply come up with a better method cache
<crome_> there is some work to be done there
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<shevy> budrose don't think there is unfortunately, the very best is to find some feature or bug that was approved but noone has added it yet, or done a patch
<shevy> budrose matz works mostly on mruby these days - nobu is the one maintaining default ruby; https://github.com/mruby/mruby
<budrose> shevy: That sounds reasonable, I'll scan through the bugs and see if any of them look like a good starting place
<shevy> \o/
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<banister> budrose what lisp influence do u see in ruby
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<centrx> banister, It's more Ruby is heavily Smalltalk influenced and Smalltalk was heavily LISP influenced
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<The_NetZ> centrx: - a crap-tonne of parenthesis
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<budrose> banister: I'm mostly basing my opinion on two articles I have read, one about Matz and Emacs and this: http://patshaughnessy.net/2012/9/18/how-ruby-borrowed-a-decades-old-idea-from-lisp
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<cashnguns> where did everyone go?
<centrx> netsplit
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<The_NetZ> heh
<crome> escaping the sinking ship
<cashnguns> nice
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<cashnguns> I forgot about that, its been awhile since I've been on IRC
<cashnguns> like the 90s
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<shevy> cashnguns damn, you must be a mIRCer then
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<cashnguns> shevy ya i was, I used to have it on 3 computers ago
<cashnguns> shevy those were the days, like the wild west
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<ddd> hahaha mirc... wild wild west.
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<shevy> yeah
<shevy> I used to be on Galaxynet
<shevy> playing ancient perl webbrowser games
<cashnguns> I was on dalnet, high school kid hacking on terrible HTML and javascript. now I'm trying to get back into it
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<shevy> haha
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<shevy> I learned HTML back then as well and a bit of javascript
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<shevy> ten years later javascript changed into something else
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<shevy> and now suddenly everyone is using weird things through jquery
<shevy> $("#target").click(function() { alert( "Handler for .click() called." ); });
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<shevy> I swear javascript did not look as strange in the 1999es!
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<|RicharD|> Hi I have a string like www.example.com/page
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<|RicharD|> How I can take the part after .com/ ?
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<cashnguns> shevy I just started jquery, i swear its voodoo or cheating, I think ruby is a really nice alternative to perl which I avoided in the 90s
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<havenwood> |RicharD|: require 'uri'; uri = URI.parse('http://www.netflix.com/WiHome'); uri.path #=> "/WiHome"
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<|RicharD|> umh
<|RicharD|> isn't better something like regexp ?
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<|RicharD|> havenwood: What you think ?
<shevy> cashnguns yah perl was weird, I always forgot the syntax
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<shevy> ruby can be quite complex too, but I think I have found a subset of ruby that is simple, elegant and terse; that works with my brain
<havenwood> |RicharD|: if you just need that particular string parsed, sure, just: 'www.example.com/page'[/\/.+/] #=> "/page"
<havenwood> |RicharD|: if you need the path from an arbitrary uri, use URI
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<|RicharD|> ok!
<cashnguns> I really like sinatra with slim, seems to work really well. Rails was too much for where I am at now
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<shevy> hehe
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<|RicharD|> How I can take only page, without page ? sorry but I don't know the regexp and I know :( I must study it
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<|RicharD|> but seems so complicated :S
<|RicharD|> ops without / *
<shevy> |RicharD| Can you formulate a simple question?
<shevy> >> File.basename 'www.example.com/page'
<eval-in> shevy => "page" (https://eval.in/121095)
<|RicharD|> 'www.example.com/page'[/\/.+/] give me /page
<shevy> ok
<shevy> and the question is?
<|RicharD|> I want that return me only page
<shevy> goo
<shevy> good
<|RicharD|> without / initially
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<shevy> ^^^
<shevy> eval-in shall become your teacher
<|RicharD|> Ok!
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<havenwood> |RicharD|: 'www.example.com/page'.split('/').last #=> "page"
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<|RicharD|> oh split! right
<|RicharD|> thank you!
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<cashnguns> |RicharD| this is a good tester for regexp http://rubular.com/
<|RicharD|> thank you
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