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<Devanon> I have a dictionary file with 3 million strings of random letters. Given a string, my program should output all the anagrams contained in the dictionary. Actually I am processing the dictionary file and storing everything in a hash (written to a JSON file on program close to avoid processing it every time).
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<Devanon> Instead of parsing the JSON file into the hash I was thinking to use SQLite. Any other idea?
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<AntelopeSalad> sqlite wouldn't be a bad idea for this use case
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<Devanon> I will try it
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<eyeamaye> anybody know why this is failing on line 3? *
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<InfraRuby> eyeamaye: m is a symbol
<eyeamaye> InfraRuby ah, let me try and fix that
<InfraRuby> eyeamaye: umm.. wtf are you trying to do?
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<lethjakman> can't you do something like: def grabs<< grab
<lethjakman> it's telling me "unexpected <<"
<InfraRuby> lethjakman: what would you want that to do?
<bridge_> hey guys i am trying to query ldap and i want to check whether an attribute exist or not for a user
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<lethjakman> my_model.grabs << grab
<bridge_> l
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<InfraRuby> lethjakman: you can def << in the class for grabs
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<lethjakman> InfraRuby: hmmmm, alright. that does make sense. thank you.
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<InfraRuby> eyeamaye: you could use String#partition for that too
<InfraRuby> eyeamaye: v1, _, v2 = m.to_s.partition("_")
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<centrx> How are you getting three variables from that
<eyeamaye> InfraRuby, that doesn't work
<centrx> ah it's not Array#partition
<eyeamaye> can't convert Symbol to String (Symbol#to_str gives NilClass) (TypeError)
<samg_> I have a class that includes Enumerable. I noticed that I can't splat instances of that type to destructure them. Instead I need to explicitly call .to_a on it first. Doesn't it seem like splat should work on any enumerable?
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<eyeamaye> i'd prefer to split into an array
<eyeamaye> but
<InfraRuby> eyeamaye: what doesn't work? pastie?
<centrx> eyeamaye, That is something messed up with your m variable then
<eyeamaye> when i try and do that, i get error 2 for 1
<InfraRuby> line 7?
<InfraRuby> remove to .to_sym
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<InfraRuby> the*
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<samg_> I wonder how rails makes it possible to splat ActiveRecord::Relation objects.
<eyeamaye> >`method_missing': wrong number of arguments (2 for 1) (ArgumentError)
<InfraRuby> eyeamaye: remove to_sym at line 6
<centrx> samg_, ActiveRecord::Relation inherits from Array
<eyeamaye> InfraRuby, line 4 is failing tho
<samg_> centrx: I just looked at relation.class.ancestors and array isn't there
<eyeamaye> doesn't even reach 6
<InfraRuby> eyeamaye: m is a symbol
<eyeamaye> v[1] isn't a sym i dont think
<eyeamaye> nor do i want it to be
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<InfraRuby> *m* is a symbol
<eyeamaye> err,
<eyeamaye> wait i see the mistake ur talkinga bout
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<shevy> eyeamaye always check for the type therein
<shevy> m.split('_')
<shevy> might be a non string object
<samg_> centrx: ah! I need to define to_ary, to_a isn't sufficient
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<samg_> Neat! Turns out I can splat my own types.
<eyeamaye> shevy, how can i get a string from a symbol?
<shevy> eyeamaye you can put the symbol into string via .to_s method
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<ponga> god damn it codecademy bug
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<ponga> finally figured it out
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<eyeamaye> hmm
<eyeamaye> shevy, well that worked, thanks
<eyeamaye> but code isn't doing what i thought it would do
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<shevy> well
<eyeamaye> here is current paste. http://pastie.org/9083482 What i'm expecting the output to be is #=> No hi_john, lets try to make it! \n "Hi, John"
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<shevy> in my opinion method_missing often leads to a lot of complexity for marginal benefits, in like 95% of the cases I saw it being used
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<eyeamaye> i'm doing this purely for fun
<eyeamaye> absolutely no functional use
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<shevy> eyeamaye you only define it right? you dont call it?
<eyeamaye> i call it
<eyeamaye> err
<eyeamaye> wait
<shevy> where
<shevy> can you show the line where you call it please
<eyeamaye> no i'm only defining
<InfraRuby> eyeamaye: what is name?
<eyeamaye> InfraRuby, thanks for catching that, old variable
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<eyeamaye> > No hi_john, lets try to make it!
<eyeamaye> "Hi,John"
<eyeamaye> :D
<eyeamaye> thanks!
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<shevy> hehe
<shevy> I just tried to fix your code in my editor
<shevy> and I got stumped at the variable name
<shevy> :-)
<shevy> where did it come from!
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<eyeamaye> completed code
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<eyeamaye> works like a charm! :D
<shevy> except that it is awful
<eyeamaye> lol
<eyeamaye> how would you improve it?
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<shevy> no
<shevy> there is no hope
<shevy> the little improvements would be outweighed by using method_missing
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<shevy> it gives you -250 karma
<shevy> the little improvements might add +80 but you are still in the negative
<eyeamaye> are you saying i shouldn't use def method_missing?
<shevy> I am grepping where I use method_missing
<shevy> time/weekday.rb: def self.method_missing(m, *args)
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<shevy> eyeamaye oh no, 5% may be useful and legitimate reason
<shevy> for instance, I use it in my (super incomplete) ruby mud to simulate LPC behaviour of objects
<shevy> features just come at a price
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<shevy> many years ago I was delegating non existing methods to other classes
<shevy> at the third delegation, I no longer understood what was going on when I tried to fix a bug a year later in that project
<ponga> altho I really the arts of ruby, I told my friend to try out JS for his first time in life learning programming
<shevy> ack
<shevy> why did you not tell him to php
<shevy> or not just to simply die ponga
<ponga> why lol i think JS is simple enough and yet holds essence
<shevy> the core of ruby is very simple
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<ponga> i know but it doesn't for-loop and etc
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<shevy> ruby has the for loop
<ponga> the style is very different
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<ponga> I think JS was good recommendation
<shevy> of course
<shevy> you recommended it
<shevy> it must be good
<shevy> :-)
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<shevy> you would not recommend a bad language would you ;)
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<ponga> I was scared of what he'd say after learnt basic ruby then looked at source codes of JAVA, C++, etc
<ponga> he might scream and never gets out of his room
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<shevy> well
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<shevy> java and C++ look semi similar in style
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<shevy> int main() {
<shevy> return 42;
<shevy> }
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<shevy> then you have some extra verbosity like perhaps public or private
<shevy> sometimes perhaps <bla> templates
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<Hytosys> final absolute holy shit public static void main() { ... }
<ponga> I think learning ruby for the first time in programming is too good, perhaps
<shevy> hehe
<crucify_me> hi when I was using amend-line in pry to correct a typo, I somehow got bumped out of the prog. How do you rerun code in pry without retyping the whole prog?
<InfraRuby> Hytosys: don't need final there
<ponga> puts "hello world" and then you see this public void static main(String[] args) { balh blah
<Hytosys> I know ;)
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<shevy> yes, extra verbosity
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<Hytosys> the verbosity has its own charm, much like objective-c
<shevy> I think it is a language that aims to satisfy the parser much more than the human eye
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<Hytosys> yeah
<ponga> from exprience i had when i learn JS, i think it was simple enough yet held that C-style of looks
<ponga> its why i recommended it to my friend
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<shevy> but your friend would not know C-style
<Devanon> crucify_me: I am not sure about your question, but... hist --replay init_line..end_line?
<ponga> well if he gets familiar with C style i thought he could handle many things after then
<InfraRuby> Hytosys: oh, and absolute holy shit is invalid
<shevy> now you primed him for his future java career, he will love that style ;-)
<crucify_me> oh all in one command Devanon ? thanks
<Hytosys> InfraRuby: yeah it's been a few years...
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<Devanon> crucify_me: :)
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<ponga> my first language was java yet i much prefer ruby
<ponga> 'tis so pretty language
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<ponga> well him learning JS is almost a hobby too!
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<eyeamaye> shevy, better? http://pastie.org/9083512
<shevy> eyeamaye lol
<shevy> eyeamaye when I find such code I happily eliminate it, then I must try to identify the person in reallife
<ponga> wth
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<ponga> eyeamaye, i'm a noob but i could say that code looks a bit.. um
<ponga> i dunno
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<Hytosys> does anyone know why protected/private in ruby are so different than say, java and c++?
<ponga> because it is different?..
<shevy> Hytosys ruby is always very dynamic
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<shevy> Hytosys for private and protected to work as-is in java, ruby would have to lose a lot of its flexibility
<ponga> good work shevy! i should give you a cookie
<eyeamaye> ponga, what's wrong with the code?
<Hytosys> I just find it interesting that `private` methods are accessible in subclasses whereas in java/c++ that would be `protected`
<crucify_me> anyone know what to do when pry crashes ad nauseum?
<shevy> Hytosys for instance, .class_eval, the other evals, method_missing, .send and so forth
<ponga> eyeamaye, never mind im a noob , i just thought it looked messy
<Hytosys> hmm, can you elaborate a bit shevy? I'm familiar with those methods
<shevy> crucify_me sure! go back to simplicty. irb ;-)
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<eyeamaye> ponga, lol i wasn't being serious. it's parody code. shevy told me not to use def missing_method
<eyeamaye> so i didn't use def missing_method
<shevy> Hytosys well we can redefine every method in ruby at runtime
<Hytosys> right
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<ponga> ok lol
<eyeamaye> i used self.class.send(:define_method, :method_missing)
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<shevy> so I should be able to really change any @ivars you try to protect away from me by redefining what you give me
<unholycrab> any idea how i can put a command like `diff <(foo) <(bar)` into ruby? it says "sytax error near unexpected token `('"
<Hytosys> right, makes sense..
<crucify_me> really shevy you don't like pry? I' m trying to learn ruby using pry. I read to install rubinius and play with it in pry as a good way to learn ruby.
<eyeamaye> has anybody experimented with different ways of invoking missing_method?
<shevy> unholycrab what is the string version of that command?
<unholycrab> i tried escaping the < and ( characters with a \, but i gto the same result
<Hytosys> thanks shevy
<shevy> crucify_me I have no problem with pry, I just don't use it
<unholycrab> shevy: the string version?
<shevy> unholycrab yeah, for instace: "ls --help" <--
<shevy> *instance
<unholycrab> oh its two mongoexport commands
<eyeamaye> because apparently missing_method is triggered whenever an object receives a message it doesn't know what to do
<shevy> ok unholycrab but there must be a string version you give to your shell that works
<unholycrab> and if i copy the exact command it gives in the error output to the terminal, it will work
<unholycrab> yes
<shevy> so when that command works, the same command will work in ruby, via ``
<Riking> How do I iterate an Enumerable with special behavior for the first and last?
<shevy> unholycrab let me try a simple command via < redirect
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<unholycrab> diff <(mongoexport --host X.compute.amazonaws.com --db X --collection system.indexes --csv --fields ns,key | sed -e 's/X/db/' | sort) <(mongoexport --host X.amazonaws.com --db X --collection system.indexes --csv --fields ns,key | sed -e 's/X/db/' | sort)
<unholycrab> something like that
<shevy> unholycrab, this here works, so at least > redirectos work system "echo yo > hi"
<shevy> I assume < means to read in from a file?
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<shevy> hmm interesting
<shevy> I get different errors
<unholycrab> shevy: i get the same when i do something like `diff <(ls /var) <(ls /var)`
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<unholycrab> syntax error near unexpected token `('
<shevy> but in one case it is ruby using sh, in the other it is bash
<shevy> bash gives me this error
<shevy> bash: mongoexport: command not found
<ponga> I heard EvE Online is written in python, does this mean we could write an enterprise game in ruby as well
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<shevy> ponga dunno
<ponga> game written in python...intersting
<unholycrab> shevy: of course, you don't have mongoexport installed...
<unholycrab> try my second example
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<unholycrab> maybe that is the problem. ruby is using sh instead of bash
<shevy> unholycrab I think /bin/sh probably behaves different
<myke> specifically, stackless python
<shevy> you should be able to use bash via popen but I dont remember the syntax offhand
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<eyeamaye> "pong".public_send("send", "eval", "`ping -c 3 8.8.8.8`")
<unholycrab> sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `('
<unholycrab> sh: -c: line 0: `/bin/bash diff <(ls /var) <(ls /var)'
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<unholycrab> okay im retarded
<unholycrab> thanks shevy i think this helps
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> the command looked quite complicated too
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<eyeamaye> shevy, apparently missing_method is triggered whenever an object receives a message it doesn't know what to do, you ever played with that?
<shevy> ponga for some reason, either python is simpler in ruby, or there are more python devs. or perhaps both
<shevy> eyeamaye sure. didn't I tell you why I try to avoid it?
<shevy> <shevy> many years ago I was delegating non existing methods to other classes
<shevy> <shevy> at the third delegation, I no longer understood what was going on
<crucify_me> anyone know what pry-remote is ? I did a gem query --local and got this weird gem I didn't install.
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<shevy> crucify_me there is #pry too btw
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<shevy> ponga if you ever find out why python has more GUI bindings pls lemme know
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<ponga> is that a proposed joke shevy
<crucify_me> a ruby method.. shevy
<shevy> crucify_me hmm?
<crucify_me> I installed pry-doc but something is listing as pry-remote
<shevy> crucify_me all gems should be at rubygems.org
<shevy> it has a search functionality too
<shevy> then you can find https://rubygems.org/gems/pry-remote
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<shevy> the author of that is here btw Mon_Ouie
<shevy> ponga no joke
<ponga> ok
<crucify_me> thanks shevy something odd happened. I installed rubinius and all my pry related gems disappeared. then I uninstalled rubinius and they returned to the list. weird.
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<shevy> hehe
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<crucify_me> is it valid to try to learn ruby by looking at rubinius methods in pry?
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<shevy> sounds as if you want to have everything at the same time :-)
<shevy> now only add rails on top of that stack and you are ready to go!
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<eyeamaye> shevy, how can i break these lines out of the send method? and use ruby's standard syntax http://pastie.org/9083564#5-6
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<eyeamaye> or is it not possible with what im doing
<shevy> ewwww
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<shevy> the problem is not only do you attempt to outsmart yourself by combining send and method_missing and define_method all at the same time
<shevy> you also do it in ways that makes it hard to understand what is going on
<shevy> for instance:
<shevy> self.class.send(('hi_' + v[1]).to_sym)
<shevy> if I ask you for the name of the method
<shevy> and display it to the user
<shevy> what is the name?
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<eyeamaye> hi_*
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<shevy> that is not a valid name
<eyeamaye> because it's only valid when there is input
<shevy> sure but it has a valid name then
<shevy> and I wanted to know that valid name
<shevy> you even use ('hi_' + v[1]).to_sym twice
<eyeamaye> ah good point
<shevy> I don't like this style of coding
<shevy> it does not follow the simplest possible way
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<shevy> it is code that does not intent to stay simple
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<Hytosys> shevy I agree, but how would you address this specific issue? would you just shove ('hi_' + v[1]).to_sym into a variable or make it a method?
<eyeamaye> shevy, i'm just playing with concepts
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<eyeamaye> i think i can break it apart myself now
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<shevy> Hytosys yes, variable
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<Hytosys> missing_methods always grow to be too many lines in length for me :(
<Hytosys> I find it hard to prevent
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<shevy> eyeamaye btw are you sure you want .capitalize! method?
<shevy> Hytosys :)
<eyeamaye> doesn't work
<shevy> what do you mean does not work
<shevy> you assigned a symbol to a variable
<shevy> and then
<shevy> you do nothing
<shevy> so
<shevy> :-)
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<eyeamaye> > No hi_john, lets try to make it!
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<eyeamaye> what u mean i do nothing?
<shevy> did you read what I wrote
<eyeamaye> yeah
<shevy> well what do you do with that variable?
<eyeamaye> i see what you're saying
<eyeamaye> but i dont know how to fix it
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<shevy> perhaps by not commenting the two lines?
<eyeamaye> lol
<eyeamaye> im trying to /not/ use send method
<shevy> well
<shevy> you want to define a method dynamically somehow
<shevy> if you dont use .send then you must use something else
<eyeamaye> so
<eyeamaye> def couldn't be used?
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<eyeamaye> send or public_send are only ways to achieve desired result?
<shevy> self.class.define_method(:screech)
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<eyeamaye> o
<shevy> or
<eyeamaye> that'll work i guess
<shevy> Fixnum.class_eval { def number; self; end }
<shevy> dunno
<Hytosys> define_method is private!! ;)
<eyeamaye> still not quite what i wanted but.
<shevy> I hate your code
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<eyeamaye> lolol
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<eyeamaye> Hytosys, o, then i'd have to use public_send. which i'd rather not
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<eyeamaye> so it sounds like send is only way to do what im trying to do :/
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<Hytosys> to shevy's point, you can use class_eval as far as I know
<eyeamaye> hmm. okay
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<shevy> please abandon your wicked path before it is too late eyeamaye
<eyeamaye> shevy, what wicked path?
<shevy> the path of the wicked missing methods being sent through eval
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<eyeamaye> well im trying to make the code pretty now
<Hytosys> I must have missed the reasoning, but eyeamaye why do you want to create the method indefinitely instead of just inlining the behavior?
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<eyeamaye> but. seems like to do this in ruby, i have to use hacky methods
<eyeamaye> Hytosys, it's just for fun
<Hytosys> ah ok
<eyeamaye> im new to oop, playing with all the new concepts
<Hytosys> :)
<eyeamaye> enjoying it
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<benzrf> =]
<benzrf> try FP next B)
<eyeamaye> FP next B) ?
<Hytosys> lol gotta admit that's a pretty uncomprehensible sentence
<Hytosys> he means functional programming
<benzrf> B) is a smile
<eyeamaye> oo
<eyeamaye> lolol
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<Hytosys> incomprehensible* murphy's law
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<eyeamaye> functional being like, haskell?
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<eyeamaye> what's the appeal of haskell?
<Hytosys> yeah
<eyeamaye> imo it just looks like a faster version of python
<Hytosys> the appeal of haskell is that it is purely functional :)
<eyeamaye> sans python's libs
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<Hytosys> I don't know much haskell (or any other fp language) but haskell does have a huge cult following
<eyeamaye> on reddit at least
<eyeamaye> outside or reddit i dont hear much about it
<benzrf> eyeamaye: are you serious
<benzrf> i
<benzrf> what
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<benzrf> in what way does haskell look even slightly like python
<benzrf> how could you possibly get that impression
<eyeamaye> no idea. never looked at haskell too seriously
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<shevy> haskell code is very different
<shevy> getArgs >>= print
<shevy> environment <- getEnvironment
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<shevy> both haskell and python have "import" though
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<shevy> import Network.HTTP.Conduit
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<eyeamaye> benzrf, neat
<eyeamaye> is haskell concurrent?
<Hytosys> benzrf: I'm not familiar with haskell syntax and that looks like keyboard spaghetti to me
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<eyeamaye> doesn't look like it
<wallerdev> erlang is the place to be for concurrent functional code
<benzrf> Hytosys: lol
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<shevy> haskell users have a weird sense of beauty
<eyeamaye> is haskell type-safe?
<benzrf> eyeamaye: well haskell is (for the most part) effect-free, so most code can be made concurrent safely
<benzrf> also, haskell is the type SAFETS
<benzrf> *SAFEST
<benzrf> *warning may not actually be the safest
<eyeamaye> how so?
<benzrf> it's statically typed
<eyeamaye> nice warning
<benzrf> but it doesnt suck
<shevy> lol
<shevy> cool disclaimer
<eyeamaye> golang is type-safe
<agent_white> Relevant: http://xkcd.com/1312/
<benzrf> you can get away with writing no type signature at all like 90% of the time or more
<eyeamaye> statically typed
<eyeamaye> concurrent
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<benzrf> and yet the type system is v. expressive
<eyeamaye> rust is also type safe and concurrent
<benzrf> not so much as a dependent typing system but stil
<benzrf> ;
<benzrf> *still
<eyeamaye> golang has a giant GC that comes with it though
<eyeamaye> so that's a pretty big drawback
<benzrf> so does haskell
<benzrf> haskell != go
<benzrf> they are extremely different as langs
<eyeamaye> im sure they are
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<benzrf> Hytosys: the scale function defined in that sample takes a 2d list/array of chars
<eyeamaye> i guess i should familiarize myself with FP concepts
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<wallerdev> yeah functional programming is good to know about
<benzrf> then it makes one giant string, composed of taking each char in the array and turning it into an n×(n/2+1) square
<Hytosys> OH I see benzrf
<wallerdev> especially pure functional
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<Hytosys> what is the single-quote operator there?
<Hytosys> and >>=
<benzrf> ' is just part of the name
<benzrf> prime, like in maths
<Hytosys> oh like math
<Hytosys> and $
<benzrf> >>= is the bind operator for monads
<eval-in> benzrf => /tmp/execpad-77ff23c16555/source-77ff23c16555:2: syntax error, unexpected '=' ... (https://eval.in/137260)
<Hytosys> lol
<benzrf> $ is just function application
<benzrf> with lower precedence
<benzrf> foo $ bar is like foo (bar)
<agent_white> So... take this VERY lightly... but in that way that you don'
<Hytosys> oh ok ok
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<agent_white> don't describe the problem, but what you want out of it... is Haskell like PHP?
<agent_white> In that sense?*
<benzrf> >don't describe the problem, but what you want out of it...
<benzrf> yes
<benzrf> but how is that like php?
<Hytosys> lmao
<Hytosys> sounds like the terse opposite of PHP to me
<eyeamaye> wait so.
<agent_white> PHP you ask what data sets you want back, not how to retreive them... the way-of-retreival is built in.
<benzrf> ummmm
<benzrf> >_>
<eyeamaye> what's the point of a purely functional language if you can write purely functional code in other languages that are faster?
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<benzrf> i suppose so TheMoonMaster
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<benzrf> *thyen
<agent_white> "Take this LIGHTLY"
<benzrf> eyeamaye: because the language can then do MAGIC~
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<agent_white> benzrf: I've never touched Haskell. I was told to, but I don't feel my young-developer mind should wander that way quite yet.
<benzrf> eyeamaye: for example safe pervasive lazy eval
<benzrf> agent_white: dude im 17 im sure u can handle it
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<Hytosys> agent_white: what did you mean by way-of-retrieval is built in?
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<wallerdev> erlang has an optimized reverse function
<eyeamaye> lol
<agent_white> benzrf: Pfft, it's not AGE (I'm 23) ;) It's just that I need to really be like "dayum I know OOP like I POOP." before going to functional shit.
<benzrf> kk
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<wallerdev> im old as well agent_white :(
<eyeamaye> wallerdev, care to elaborate?
<eyeamaye> because that sent made absolutely no sense to me
<eyeamaye> "optimized reverse functions1!!1"
<wallerdev> eyeamaye: in erlang you get the results backwards because of the functional nature of things, so it has a very optimized reverse function
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<agent_white> Hytosys: As in, you say "SELECT X WHERE X > Y"... and you get data. Not "while x < TABLE.length... DO STUFF."
<Hytosys> I think you meant SQL not PHP :)
<agent_white> SQL!
<agent_white> Hytosys: Wins!
<eyeamaye> do u give it the output and it returns the params?
<Hytosys> in that case you're right
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<wallerdev> not too important, just thought id throw that fact out there since i thought it was interesting and ill never be able to really use that knowledge in a relevant way
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<agent_white> Hytosys: Wierd. Well Haskell sounds cool but my brain needs to be less mushy to really grasp it.
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<Hytosys> agent_white: the name of the type of programming language that you're looking for is "declarative" as opposed to PHP/C/Ruby's "imperative"
<wallerdev> oh another cool thing about erlang is that you can change code while its running
<eyeamaye> >.>
<Hytosys> yeah haskell's over my head too, for now :)
<eyeamaye> wallerdev, that's a feature?
<wallerdev> yup
<agent_white> Hytosys: Ahhh! So it's declarative as a whole, then narrowed down to be "functional" as well?
<benzrf> wallerdev: so much stuff allows that wow
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<Hytosys> agent_white: yep!
<benzrf> agent_white: 99% of haskell code is in the form of function definitions [same in ruby ofc method defs]
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<benzrf> function def looks like
<benzrf> f args go here = expr for result
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<agent_white> f beans, cheese = beandip
<benzrf> f beans cheese = beandip
<wallerdev> anyway im going home
<agent_white> Who stole the commas? :(
<benzrf> currying
<Hytosys> lol
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<agent_white> Damned curry. I never liked it anyways.
<benzrf> all functions in haskell are curried
<agent_white> *spicy functions
<agent_white> \o
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<benzrf> i want a language built on delimited continuations
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<shevy> haskell is so awful
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<centrx> shevy hates everything
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<shevy> not everything
<shevy> most of ruby is cool
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<TigerWolf> does ruby have another name for % so I can search for docs on google?
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<shevy> TigerWolf not sure... that is an alias to sprintf?
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<TigerWolf> Yep shevy - thats what I needed :)
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<arubin> Searching for "ruby <class>" will generally get you to the right page, then look down the list of methods.
<TigerWolf> "ruby %" <- but not this search.
<arubin> TigerWolf: ruby string
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<benzrf> ruby percent literals
<arubin> TigerWolf: Remember that operand1 operator operand2 is usually just sugar for operand1.operator(operand2).
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<TigerWolf> yup
<TigerWolf> ty
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<arubin> So you usually want the documentation for operand1.class
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<InfraRuby> want to work on a new ruby web framework?
<InfraRuby> join #infraruby in one hour!
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<benzrf> InfraRuby: wut
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<InfraRuby> benzrf: true
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<centrx> benzrf, This could be the Ruby web framework you've always been waiting for
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<benzrf> pfft sure
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<ponga> if i used attr_accessor how do i 'access' attributes?
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<ponga> i know if it were class defined i could access by .methodname but what about attr
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<benzrf> uhhh
<benzrf> thats what attr_accessor does
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<ponga> benzrf, so i could just do .methodname as usual?
<ponga> splendid
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<benzrf> attr_reader :foo
<benzrf> ====
<benzrf> def foo
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<benzrf> @foo
<benzrf> end
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<benzrf> same
<benzrf> attr_writer :foo
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<benzrf> ===
<benzrf> def foo=(v)
<benzrf> @foo = v
<benzrf> end
<benzrf> same
<benzrf> attr_accessor is both in 1
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<Le_Ruby_Newbie> Hi
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<Le_Ruby_Newbie> Anyone know if there's a simple way to perform case insensitive search through a hash?
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<centrx> Le_Ruby_Newbie, What do you mean by that
<InfraRuby> Le_Ruby_Newbie: downcase every time
<InfraRuby> (or upcase)
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<Le_Ruby_Newbie> Hi centrx, I'm doing that, but if I want to match the already saved key regardless if it's downcased/upcased/capitalized ?
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<InfraRuby> Le_Ruby_Newbie: you need to downcase *every* time
<benzrf> Le_Ruby_Newbie: gl m8
<InfraRuby> read and write
<benzrf> hashes are hash tables
<benzrf> keys are hashed
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<Riking> How do I loop over an Enumerable with special behavior for the last element?
<benzrf> Riking: loop over all but the last, then do the last separately
<benzrf> maybe
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<InfraRuby> Le_Ruby_Newbie: you could wrap each string in an object with hash and eql? methods
<Riking> maybe I should make an each_with_firstlast method
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<Riking> so do |item, is_first, is_last|
<benzrf> Riking: n-no
<Riking> ok
<benzrf> i feel like maybe ive seen a gem for this kind of thing?
<benzrf> i remember writing a hacky prototype of more controllable/queryable looping
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<Le_Ruby_Newbie> Ok, I'm already downcasing key names as I save them, but in case there were already saved keys which are not downcased, would there be a simple way of performing a case insensitive search?
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<Riking> Or I could nest another partial view
<Riking> And then create another one for a spacer
<Riking> But that feels way too deep for too little
<Le_Ruby_Newbie> Thanks elshaka
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<Riking> benzrf, how fucked up is this solution http://pastebin.com/LuayFh82
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<benzrf> >> [:element].one?
<eval-in> benzrf => true (https://eval.in/137267)
<benzrf> fyi
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<benzrf> anyway i fail to see the point of this
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<benzrf> why not just do it the latter way period
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<Riking> oops
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<benzrf> lol
<Riking> aaand nope
<Riking> it ends up as
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<Riking> everything and then a comma
<benzrf> commas?
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<benzrf> ur structurin it wrong m8
<benzrf> pass the comma as an arg to join
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<benzrf> wait, does erb even work that way?
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<Riking> I wasn't sure
<Riking> Actually, I'm pretty sure it doesn't
<Riking> also I don't need to htmlsafe the comma anyways
<benzrf> w/e i need to sleep
<benzrf> otherwise my brain becomes poo
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<Riking> I successfully have it... with no commas... I think I'm rubbing against a detail of how ERB works
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<Riking> lul i'm an idiot
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<benzrf> ur just now realizing this?
<Riking> don't need to style each author differently, just put the <i> around them all
<benzrf> sorry
<benzrf> u may want an ol bt
<benzrf> w
<benzrf> anyway bye
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<benzrf> Nightmare:
<benzrf> * night
<benzrf> gluh
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<agent_white> So I can't do regex for shit. What is the expression to capture all text between the delims "/" and "..." ?
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<Riking> try this: /\/\w+\.\.\./
<Riking> \w+ is just word characters
<Riking> change it to .*? if you need that to cross whitespace
<Riking> (begin regex, literal slash, one or more word characters, literal ., literal ., literal ., end regex)
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<agent_white> Riking: Hmmm no luck there. The string is "Reading symbols from /usr/lib/liblzma.so.5...(no debugging symbols found)"... I'm just trying to snag that path name.
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<Riking> oh
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<Riking> try this: /(\/[\/a-zA-Z0-9 ]+)\.\.\./
<Riking> take the first capture
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<agent_white> Riking: Nada :/
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<agent_white> Riking: But I'm throwing regex at pry, so it's a good learning exercise :P
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<Riking> lol
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<Cope> agent_white: what's an example? you mean /...hello.../ should return hello?
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<agent_white> Cope: "Reading symbols from /usr/lib/cmus/op/oss.so...(no debugging symbols found)" should return "/usr/lib/cmus/op/oss.so"
<rkr090> agent_white: \/(.*)\.\.\.
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<rkr090> between //
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<agent_white> rkr090: Hmmm, that got it to "/usr/lib/cmus/op/oss.so...(no debugging symbols found)..."
<agent_white> rkr090: I changed yours to \/(.*)\.\.\.\W
<rkr090> i get "usr/lib/cmus/op/oss.so"
<agent_white> rkr090: And got it down to "/usr/lib/cmus/op/oss.so...("
<agent_white> Wait really?
<Cope> agent_white: \/(?:\w+\/)+\w+\.\w+
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<agent_white> Cope: That did the trick! :D
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<agent_white> Cope: Thank you!
<agent_white> Riking/rkr090: Thank you both for the help as well :)
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<Cope> of course wrap the whole lot in () if you want it as a capture group
<rkr090> agent_white: this is what i meant -> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/10808201
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<agent_white> rkr090: Whoa! I was using `string[/regexHere/]`
<agent_white> rkr090: Never knew about that match method... it's much prettier than what I was doing.
<rkr090> agent_white: :-)
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<agent_white> That's another thing to put on the to-learn list... though I'm already despising it. ;P
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<TigerWolf> Is the Ruby Hacking Guide still relevant if is based off ruby 1.7.3?
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<Cope> TigerWolf: a more modern book is 'Ruby under a microscope'
<Cope> if you're interested in ruby internals
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<TigerWolf> Thanks Cope
<Cope> a *lot* has changed in 10 yeats
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<TigerWolf> Yeah thats why I was thinking it wasnt going to be relevant :)
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<unholycrab> puts `/bin/bash -c '/bin/ls'` <-- works
<unholycrab> puts `/bin/bash -c '/bin/ls foo'` <-- no such file or directory ??
<Radar> unholycrab: yes
<Radar> unholycrab: Why are you doing that and not just `ls`
<unholycrab> Radar: help me understand this
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<Radar> unholycrab: You're probably assuming that you're operating within a directory that you're not actually operating in.
<unholycrab> Radar: im actually trying to pass a complex command that has white spaces in it
<Radar> unholycrab: then use shellwords for that.
<unholycrab> im escaping with shellwords
<Radar> Great.
<unholycrab> i didn't in this example
<Radar> Then you're on your way.
<Radar> unholycrab: !fake
<helpa> unholycrab: Please do not use fake values, as they can be confusing or misleading. Sometimes both.
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<unholycrab> Radar: thats not a fake value, thats me trying to narrow down the problem and dumb down the code for the sake of the question
<xibalba> how would i detect if a line in a file i've opened ends with a ':'
<Radar> unholycrab: Clearly it's too dumb.
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<Radar> unholycrab: Real code which reproduces the issue that you're seeing. Not fake code.
<xibalba> i'm trying to grab a set of data from a file that has the following : someName: \n /foo/1 \n /foo/2 \n
<xibalba> basically it's a host: and then file names under it
<Radar> xibalba: Why not make it a yml file and parse it with YAML.parse?
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<unholycrab> Radar: here it is, slightly less dumb https://gist.github.com/anonymous/10811315
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<Radar> unholycrab: Does it reproduce the problem?
<evenix_> hey guys
<evenix_> how do you do a redirect on rack
<evenix_> redirect_to ...
<unholycrab> the output im getting is similar
<unholycrab> /bin/bash: /usr/bin/diff <(/bin/ls /var) <(/bin/ls /var): No such file or directory
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<Radar> unholycrab: It's the escaping which is doing it,.
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<xibalba> Radar i dont know anything about yaml at the moment
<Radar> xibalba: What you're trying to do sounds a lot like yaml parsing
<xibalba> ill check it out real quick
<Radar> xibalba: I guess you want something like this: https://gist.github.com/radar/10811726
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<unholycrab> here ive escaped more of the command
<xibalba> that's helpful, thanks
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<Radar> unholycrab: I don't understand why you're using Shellwords.escape in this context.
<xibalba> i can use that instead as hosts: and fles
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<Radar> unholycrab: I'm going to bet that this isn't reproducing the problem you're seeing becuase you're still trying to dumb down the code too much.
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<xibalba> what gem is this? i tried gem install yaml
<unholycrab> Radar: can you ive me a hint? it sounds like you understand the problem
<Radar> xibalba: It's built into Ruby.
<xibalba> ah
<unholycrab> it is reproducing the problem, in that im still seeing the problem
<Radar> unholycrab: Whatever hint you're picking up on is false. I honestly have no idea what it is you're trying to do because your code is not reproducing the problem.
<Radar> unholycrab: Removing the Shellwords.escape makes the code work fine.
<Radar> !next
<helpa> Next question, please!
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<xibalba> thanks radar, super helpful. gonna check out yaml more. i was trying a custom format (total ruby newb) and was utilizing something similar in pattern.
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<unholycrab> okay. i see that its working, but i don't understand why
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<Radar> unholycrab: Because the command doesn't need escaping
<Radar> the escaping is multilating
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<zorak> whats "super" do?
<zorak> i have this code
<zorak> class BullDog < Dog
<zorak> def bark
<zorak> end
<zorak> end
<zorak> super + ", GROWL"
<Radar> zorak: !gist
<helpa> zorak: http://gist.github.com - Put your codes online with pretty syntax highlighting and the ability to embed it into other pages.
<Radar> zorak: Please do not post code in the channel.
<zorak> ok
<Radar> zorak: It calls back to Dog's bark method.
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<zorak> I thin is call back the bark method for his parent
<Radar> zorak: Yes.
<zorak> but im not sure and cant fin info in the ruby page
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<Radar> whgat
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<Radar> zorak: You know what it does already :(
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<Radar> Second result on google for "ruby super"
<unholycrab> Radar: but my first example, puts `/bin/bash -c '/bin/ls foo'`
<unholycrab> doesn't work
<unholycrab> and its not escaped
<Radar> unholycrab: !e
<helpa> unholycrab: You have not provided enough information to debug your problem. Please provide this information: https://gist.github.com/radar/5384431
<Radar> unholycrab: "doesn't work" isn't helpful.
<zorak> i was trying to find it in ruby-doc
<zorak> whats "Foo" means?
<zorak> i see it in a lot of example codes of ruby
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<unholycrab> it was the first part of my question
<Radar> zorak: Again, second result on google for "foo"
<Radar> unholycrab: did you read the error message?
<Radar> unholycrab: ls: foo: No such file or directory
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<Radar> unholycrab: so clearly foo does not exist as a file or directory where you're running that code.
<unholycrab> derp. that makes sense
<Radar> Soooooooo
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<Radar> Now is the point where you usually show us a small reproducible example of the code that is broken, we point out what's wrong, and you become happy
<xibalba> tuff
<Radar> xibalba: /ignore tuff
<xibalba> tuff is spamming
<xibalba> ok
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<shevy> Radar is the ultimate newbie trainer
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<shevy> no matter how many silly questions they toss on him, he remains like a rock against the stormy weather
<Radar> Because I remember I was a newbie once too
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<xibalba> i haven't programmed in 10 years
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<kerin> So I'm getting a "incompatible character encodings: UTF-8 and ASCII-8BIT" error when I try to cram a certain database string into my ERB template... ALL the stuff in my DB should be utf-8, and printing the strings says they're UTF-8. I've also tried encoding and force-encoding them, which hasn't helped. And just now I determined that the problem string contains a soft hyphen/U+00AD/&shy;
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<kerin> Curious how to encode that so that it doesn't make ERB cry.
<xibalba> wow working with this YAML loader is significantly easier
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<kerin> Oh I see. (maybe.) ERB is trying to output ASCII and that's the only character in my database that doesn't convert.
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<Radar> kerin: <% encoding: utf-8 %> at the top of the template doesn't stop it?
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<kerin> Radar: afraid not
<Radar> Hm
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<kerin> stranger still, I tried copying the bad content to a different page on a whim
<kerin> and it, uh, displays fine there
<Radar> heh
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<Radar> I have no idea what could cause that.
<kerin> same.
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<xibalba> Radar, this is what i've got so far. https://gist.github.com/RezaAmbler/10814164
<xibalba> now i jsut have to check out how to handle the multiple files
<xibalba> ah shoot i cropped the -system section
<Radar> xibalba: It looks like you're trying to rebuild Ansible
<xibalba> never heard of it.
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<xibalba> though my idea came from using rancid at work for our cisco routers/switches
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<omosoj> is it me or is ruby-doc.org not easy to read and navigate?
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<xibalba> im just practicing. starting to learn ruby
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<Radar> omosoj: Not just you.
<Radar> xibalba: I would highly recommend using Ansible.
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<Radar> xibalba: It's very easy to learn.
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<Radar> Although it's written in Python don't let that scare you off.
<xibalba> yeah i use to do alot of php dev about 10 years ago
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<kerin> Radar, to my excitement this issue seems to specifically be occurring when I also have a different long-format hyphen anywhere in the page data.
<kerin> Which applies to this specific dataset but not the test set.
<Radar> kerin: right
<omosoj> Radar, is there a better site?
<Radar> omosoj: Not that I am aware of.
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<omosoj> Should I just poke around irb or pry to get a deeper sense?
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<Radar> omosoj: what are you looking for in particular?
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<omosoj> I want to see all the methods that are available.
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<Radar> omosoj: For what object?
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<Radar> omosoj: and to what end?
<omosoj> Prime. I'm doing Project Euler questions and there are a few involving prime numbers. I want to know what tools are available to solve the problems.
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<omosoj> Thanks.
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<xibalba> when i call `ruby myFile.rb` what method is it looking to hit first?
<Radar> xibalba: No method. It will run the code in that file in the order it's specified.
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<xibalba> well i've constructed a class
<xibalba> i guess i just call new, then my class load it and call the method
<xibalba> doh
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<Hytosys> it executes the code in the scope of main:Object, notably (hint, type self in irb)
<xibalba> boy am i rust
<xibalba> rusty*
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<xibalba> this is what i've got so far
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<Hytosys> private gist, can't see :(
<Hytosys> oh nevermind
<xibalba> hmm
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<Hytosys> apparently you have to be signed in no matter what to see a gist
<Hytosys> so are you getting Operations is undefined?
<InfraRuby> omosoj: using the Prime class would be cheating :-p
<Hytosys> at line 3
<xibalba> operations.rb:3:in `<main>': uninitialized constant Operations (NameError)
<xibalba> oh i am blind
<Hytosys> so put the definition of the class before anything else
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<xibalba> also helps to spell it right :)
<Hytosys> also, line 3 should be `Operations.new` not `new Operations` ;)
<Hytosys> haha that too!
<xibalba> old C++ habit i suppose
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<Hytosys> I feel ya
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<omosoj> InfraRuby, I'm conflicted. Should I solve the problems with all the tools Ruby has to offer or no?
<InfraRuby> omosoj: depends what the problem is
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<xibalba> sweet! making some progrress
<Hytosys> grats
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<InfraRuby> would you use Prime.prime? if the problem is to write code to test primality?
<InfraRuby> omosoj: ^^
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<xibalba> is there a way with String#split to ignore the first element"?
<omosoj> The problem is to find the highest prime factor of a number. I've been given a few answers but I'm trying to figure it out from scratch.
<InfraRuby> xibalba: just shift it?
<xibalba> ah nm im going to use some array methods to pop it off
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<InfraRuby> xibalba: Array#shift
<xibalba> ty
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<InfraRuby> omosoj: some simple code at http://infraruby.com/Live to generate prime numbers
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<InfraRuby> omosoj: don't just copy/paste
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<InfraRuby> learn how it works
<xibalba> goodnight folks
<xibalba> ill be back
<InfraRuby> xibalba: uh oh
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<omosoj> In irb if I type Numeric.methods an array is printed with 99 methods. Are those methods either defined within the class array or inherited from superclasses?
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<InfraRuby> omosoj: ye
<InfraRuby> yes*
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<omosoj> Cool, thanks
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<InfraRuby> omosoj: btw, those are class methods
<InfraRuby> maybe you want Numeric.instance_methods
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<ponga> what was the $ dollar sign in ruby!?
<Mon_Ouie> Global variables
<InfraRuby> ponga: depends what follows the $
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<InfraRuby> some $ variables are local
<ponga> it was global thanks thank
<omosoj> InfraRuby, k. so instance methods are called on objects, class methods only on classes?
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<InfraRuby> omosoj: yes
<InfraRuby> (a class is also an instance of Class)
<omosoj> I feel like I'm doing something wrong: Object.methods, Numeric.methods, and Numeric.instance_methods all return 99
<InfraRuby> omosoj: yes, those are methods you can call on those classes
<InfraRuby> ahh.. but not the Numeric.instance_methods
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<InfraRuby> those are methods you can call on numeric instances
<Mon_Ouie> Object/Numeric have the same methods because they have no class methods and they're both instances of the Class class
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<InfraRuby> here Numeric.instance_methods has 102 elements
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<InfraRuby> but if that's similar or equal to the number in Numeric.methods that's just a coincidence
<InfraRuby> they're very different
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<Mon_Ouie> InfraRuby: How did you test that? Try ruby -e 'p Numeric.methods.size' so that no external library can be loaded
<InfraRuby> Mon_Ouie: Numeric.methods.size == 99 but Numeric.instance_methods.size == 102
<Mon_Ouie> omosoj: Also try instance_methods(false)/methods(false) to hide inherited methods
<ponga> ( ﾟдﾟ)?! <- my face when looked at $#{@blance}
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<ponga> $ and # and @ all in all!?
<InfraRuby> ponga: the dollar is just a dollar
<InfraRuby> #{...} is interpolated
<ponga> ah
<omosoj> Hm..
<ponga> ahh yeah
<ponga> InfraRuby: you are right.. lol
<ponga> to print something like $500
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<omosoj> Is there a way to look at the code of Object and Numeric et al?
<ponga> hey guys i got this weird spanish private msg with a link from guy named tuff, something about webcam
<ponga> is it spam
<Mon_Ouie> It's written in C in YARV so not really
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<dinoex> hi
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<dinoex> undefined method `synchronize' for #<Mutex:0x0000080137c248> (NoMethodError)
<dinoex> anyone has seen this before? require 'thread' is present
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<omosoj> instance_methods(false)/methods(false) <- cool
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<vc7> $#{@blance} <- shocked for this one
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<Mon_Ouie> The only weird thing with it is that it's missing one letter
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<ponga> I typed in 'gem install rails' into terminal and nothing shows up, does it usually take long time
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<DouweM> it can take a long time, sure, but if you've been waiting for an hour I'd try again
<DouweM> so it depends on your "long time"
<ponga> ah ok i only waited like 3mins
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<ponga> ruby is consuming my CPU as shown in Activity monitor, i will wait
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<ponga> damn it!
<ponga> ERROR: While executing gem ... (Gem::FilePermissionError)
<ponga> You don't have write permissions for the /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0 directory.
<ponga> it didn't even request me to type in password
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<DouweM> why would it, it's not just gonna sudo
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<ponga> DouweM it keeps saying that how can i solve this issue :(
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<MacTrash> puts Date.strptime("06/12/14 22.00", '%m/%d/%y %H.%M').strftime("%Y-%m-%d %H:%M") this is displaying 2014-06-12 00:00, is there something stupid I'm overlooking?
<dinoex> echo '<html> <% print "ruby here" %> </html>' | erb
<dinoex> why is the output out of# order?
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<MacTrash> By the way, tuff is a pm link spamming bot (got a pm just now)
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<dinoex> +1, he spammed me too
<DouweM> MacTrash: you're using Date, which doesn't save time. Use DateTime :)
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<MacTrash> Doh thanks (coming from Java where there is no distinction)
<olalonde> anyone knows why I might be getting "Retrying source fetch due to error (2/3): Bundler::HTTPError Could not fetch specs from http://rubygems.org/"
<DouweM> dinoex: because you're looking for `<%= "ruby here" %>`
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<DouweM> dinoex: erb keeps track of a buffer, you're just printing to stdout
<DouweM> dinoex: use <%= %> to append to the buffer
<dinoex> is't <%= for expressions?
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<DouweM> dinoex: yeah it is. where do you want your "ruby here" to end up?
<dinoex> in the middle
<DouweM> "ruby here" is an expression, so ditch the print and use <%=
<dinoex> lots of code uses puts/print
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<dinoex> how do i fit that in order?
<DouweM> they write to stdout, which is something completely different from appending to the erb buffer
<DouweM> as I said, use <%=
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<dinoex> echo '<html> <%= print "ruby here" %> </html>' | erb
<dinoex> same
<DouweM> right, ditch the print
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<dinoex> I the simple example i can,
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<dinoex> but i have a lot of code written for eruby that uses puts/print
<dinoex> which does not work in erb.
<DouweM> right
<DouweM> you can use concat instead of print if you really want to
<dinoex> I thought there where compatible
<DouweM> but having large blocks of ruby in your erb is bad practice anyway
<dinoex> what instead?
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<DouweM> concat "ruby here"
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<DouweM> hmm
<DouweM> looks like that might not work with pure erb
<DouweM> apparently Rails adds that, but it's not in ERB itself
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<dinoex> nods.
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<dinoex> I have given up on rails, to mayn regressions.
<DouweM> looks like you can't concat to the buffer in ERB itself. You'll have to use <%=
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<dinoex> any way to redirect output output into a buffer?
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<dinoex> Output like hello from <% print "hello" %> would replace the ruby code between the delimiters.
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<apeiros> dinoex: <%= "hello" %>
<dinoex> yes that will work
<apeiros> print will print to stdout, or whatever your erb's context defines for print.
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<dinoex> but I don't want to rewite all the functions used.
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<dinoex> how can i cahnged the stdout context for erb?
<mikecmpbll> what
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<apeiros> oh, you wrote methods which print instead of returning?
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<crome> printing from erb
<crome> wow
<crome> :D
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<apeiros> changing the stdout won't solve your problem, since you want the output to end up at the place *in the template* where you print
<apeiros> depends on how erb internally works. you'd have to implement a print which appends to erb's output buffer
<apeiros> maybe somebody already did something like that
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<dinoex> Thanks for the kick.
<apeiros> yeah, I'm still not sure about that.
<apeiros> I don't like the idea of policing private messaging.
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<dinoex> the bot msg me 5 times
<dinoex> Then i put him on ignire
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<dinoex> is there a eruby patch for 1.9.3?
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<DreamingRainne> http://pastie.org/9084449 Is my mutex/CV logic (lines 19-38) okay in this? (I had done this before, using a SizedQueue from the library, but trying my hand at doing it "myself" here.)
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<Fractional> I need some help by someone, I am having a class variable issue. If you can help me, please send me a PM. Would appreciate it!
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<ddv> Fractional: just ask the question here
<DreamingRainne> Fractional: You're more likely to get help if you present the problem here.
<DreamingRainne> Rather than demanding someone commit sight unseen to trying to help you.
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<ddv> Fractional is just embarrassed by his programming mistakes
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<Fractional> ddv: More or less, but give me a moment and I will present the problem.
<ddv> :)
<DreamingRainne> You should see some of the mistakes I've made before, and continue to. Hehe. That's part of programming.
* crome sends a Product Manager to Fractional
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<Fractional> DreamingRainee: I am still not really used to all the cool things you can do with Ruby so the code might be a little bit, yeah :P
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<Fractional> Crome: You better not do that! ^^
<DreamingRainne> Fractional: No worries. We can probably help out.
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* DreamingRainne hasn't done much with class variables (@@, right?), though.
<crome> they are rarely the solution, even if it looks like they are, imo
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<DreamingRainne> Yeah, they're like one step removed from $these.
<Fractional> Error message: main.rb:53:in 'rectangle?: undefined method '/' for nil:NilClass <NoMethodError> called from play.rb:69:in 'block in update'
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<DreamingRainne> You haven't coded Ruby till you've gotten an "undefined method `derp' for nil:NilClass" a few zillion times. <looks>
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<Fractional> The thing is, I am pretty sure, that I should not have gotten a nil:NilClass error this game. I think it is a problem with dividing on player.height, but the player.height is set in the initialization of the player.
<Fractional> this time*
<DreamingRainne> It thinks HEIGHT is nil, but not WIDTH, but they're defined right next to each other. Hmm...
<crome> Fractional: first of all, Collision shouldnt really be a module
<Fractional> crome: What should it be? :P Anything that can help me is nice :)
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<DreamingRainne> Oh, wait, I was looking at line 53 in the first file, not of main.rb. (Didn't realize there'd be multiple files in that page.)
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<Fractional> Haha, I found the error.
<Fractional> Just.. wow..
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<Fractional> I have looked at line 9 so many times, and overlooked the problem so many times.. the solution was so simple, yet I was stuck on this for two hours.
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<Fractional> I only assign @width a value, not @height. That is why, god.. emberassing moment :P
<DreamingRainne> Ah, line 9 in Player.rb? "@width, @height = 32" when that probably should be "@width = @height = 32" (assign to both, rather than assign only to one).
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<DreamingRainne> Yeah, a lot of problems come down to silly mistakes like that.
<Fractional> Yeah, thanks for the help! :)
<Fractional> Crome: How should I do the collision if it should not be a module?
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<crome> what I was getting at is that you dont really make use of its module nature but then its really a minor detail
<crome> at this point
<DreamingRainne> Maybe as an instance method on the object class? Like: "object1.hit? object2" rather than "Collision.rectangle?(object1,object2)" and let each type figure out what its collision primitives are.
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<Fractional> So, should I make a module with the hit? function that is then included in the classes?
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<DreamingRainne> Perhaps. Possibly even RectangularCollision, CircularCollision etc that does hit? in its own way. (Although you wind up with n² different algorithms for n approaches...)
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<DreamingRainne> Or n-multichoose-2 more exactly. I think.
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<DreamingRainne> If it's all rectangular, then yeah, you could just have "module CollisionDetection; def hit?( that )" and then "include CollisionDetection" in the object base class(es).
<Fractional> DreamingRainee: Thank you very much! I appreciate all the feedback I can get! :)
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* DreamingRainne wrote a vaguely similar sort of thing recently, which turned out to be easier to do by having "x.hit? y" followed with "def collision?(that); self.hit?(that) and that.hit?(self); end" (in other words, a one-sided method, then a reciprocal one for the final answer.
<DreamingRainne> Simplified some of the logic.
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<DreamingRainne> (Well, "okay_with?" and "compatible_with?" rather than "hit?" and "collided_with?", but broadly the same principle.)
<apeiros> crash_and_burns?
<Fractional> DreamingRainne: Do you include a module outside or within the class defintion?
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<DreamingRainne> Oh. I didn't do that as a module at all, but just as methods directly on one class that had no child classes, in my case.
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<DreamingRainne> In your case (a 2D game of some kind?), if there's a hierarchy of classes that can be subject to collisions (player, item, enemy, weapon shot, etc), I might do something like put "hit?" as a method on the base class, which might call out to some other information-providing method that child classes could override if needed.
<dinoex> apeiros, solved: echo '<html> <% print "ruby here" %> </html>' | erubis -E Stdou
<dinoex> +t
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<DreamingRainne> Like, an object that changes size might report its width/height as instance variables (@these), or with a "size" method that returns [width,height], or something. Most might simply use the default provided in the base.
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<Fractional> Dreamingainne: Sadly I have no hierarchy of classes. I know, it is something I will use on my next project. I am just curious, should I 'declare' the rectangularcollision module in main.rb and include it with 'include RectangularCollision'?
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<DreamingRainne> For now, you might just put the collision-detection code in a "hit?" method in the Player class (in Player.rb), since it strikes me as more the concern of the Player object than of the overall game state.
<DreamingRainne> Or, the collision-detection code should be alongside whatever code is concerned with the location of each object in the game space. If that's the responsibility of the objects themselves, then put it as a method on those objects; if there's a separate "where's everything at?" class or something, have it as a method there. And so on.
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<DreamingRainne> (Like, if Player is concerned with health, attributes etc, while there's a separate "GameSpace" class that keeps track of where each object is within the level, then put it in GameSpace.)
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<ddv> I would write an entity system
* DreamingRainne is speaking generally.
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<DreamingRainne> Looking at your code, you have x/y/angle on Player itself, so, I'd put the collision detection on Player. Whatever's responsible for where things are (for when collisions *could* happen), should also be what's responsible for figuring out when collisions *do* happen.
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<DreamingRainne> So, no "Collision" module at all; I would take the code currently in Collision.rectangle? and make it an instance method of Player.
<DreamingRainne> That's the approach I'd take, anyway.
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* DreamingRainne isn't a spatial game programmer, but does play one on IRC when the topic arises! So, be sure to "include GrainOfSalt".
<mosez> damn... how can i get the result of a block into a variable?
<Fractional> DreamingRainne: Haha, roger that! :D
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<DreamingRainne> mosez: "yield" returns the last value that occured in the block, if that's what you mean. result = yield(derp)
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<mosez> dreamingrainne: thx... forgot about simply yield instead of things like block.call -.-
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<DreamingRainne> Hehe. block.call should return it too, in the same way.
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<lolmaus> There's a Ruby gem Middleman that allows creating projects with it. Every Middleman project has a config.rb file that contains configuration using some Middleman global methods. I would like to split config.rb into multiple files. But when i do `require ./foo.rb` from the config.rb, Middleman's public methods aren't available inside foo.rb. Why?
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<DreamingRainne> lolmaus: It's still being successfully "require"d? Maybe you need to recreate any relevant scope for each of the other files? (Like, if they're method definitions, re-open the modules/classes in each file.)
<lolmaus> DreamingRainne: yes, it's required. It throws a "no such method" error. The config.rb file does not open any modules/classes, it just does `set :foo, 'bar'` right away.
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<DreamingRainne> My next guess is, if config.rb require()s anything (other than its new siblings), are they require()d in each of the siblings too?
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<workmad3> lolmaus: middleman doesn't do a simple 'require' for config.rb... by the looks of what 'self' is during the run, it loads the file in as a string and then instance_evals that string on the Middleman::Application object
<workmad3> lolmaus: any requires you then do will then not have the right context
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<lolmaus> workmad3: oh wow.
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<workmad3> lolmaus: you can see something odd is going on by doing 'puts self' in your config.rb
<workmad3> lolmaus: it then spits out Middleman::Application ;)
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<webgen> nickserv -help
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<webgen> nickserv ?
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<webgen> ? nickserv
<DreamingRainne> webgen: /msg nickserv help
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<webgen> DreamingRainne, thanks haha
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<webgen> I registered my name yesterday and today I still cannot access #RubyOnRails
<webgen> I have the same username
<webgen> whats the deal
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<canton7-mac> have you identified with nickserv?
<DreamingRainne> Did you identify? (/msg nickserv identify whatever-your-password-is)
<canton7-mac> using /msg nickserv idrntify mypassword
<canton7-mac> *identify
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<canton7-mac> yeah, that
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<webgen> canton7-mac, DreamingRainne hehee thanks I ll do that one, never done it yet
<canton7-mac> otherwise how does nickserv know you're you?
<webgen> canton7-mac good point :D I thought it would recognize my username but didnt think of the password really nearly forgot it actually haha
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<workmad3> canton7-mac: using sasl auth when creating the connection? :P
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<canton7-mac> yeah.......
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<DreamingRainne> Or recognizing you by your hostname.
<canton7-mac> not so good if you're connecting from school/uni/work/whatever
<workmad3> DreamingRainne: that would be quite easily spoofable though :)
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<workmad3> hmm... freenode has a memo server?
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<atmosx> hello
<sungai_keruh> hi
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<timgauthier> split('/) on a url would make http:// into http:/ and / right?
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<DefV> "http://".split('/') => ['http:']
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<timgauthier> DefV well what i'd want is http://example.com/article/2014/the_linked_article_here
<timgauthier> but i've actually thought about what i'm designing in my head, i think i'd rather have it go to the url and grab the title of that page
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<timgauthier> because i'm too lazy to do it myself.
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<timgauthier> the original idea was the split the url up, and then make the domain shaded out a bit then the link. but really thats an ugly way to present a link to something
<timgauthier> i've figured out what imma do, thanks for being a sounding board! (but do i understand split correctly?)
<ddv> timgauthier: why don't you just start a ruby console and try
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<timgauthier> is that rib ?
<timgauthier> irb* ?
<timgauthier> how would i load up a url into something to try applying split too it? :S
<ddv> c/p url to the console
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<timgauthier> ohhhhh i figured it out. so exciting!
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<timgauthier> thanks
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<reisei> hi, all! how can I send mail from ruby-script without authentication as I send mail from linux console?
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<AxonetBE> If I have a method def method(a = true, b = false, c = true); end
<AxonetBE> and I want to call it with only parameter c, how can I do this?
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<DefV> use Ruby 2.0 and do def method(a: true, b: false, c: true)
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<crome> AxonetBE: if your method has too many optional parameters (the exact number is up to debate, I try not to have more than 1) then chances are its too complex
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<timgauthier> how do i turn "2014-04-16 11:04 UTC":String" into something that I can .strftime('%b %e %Y') ?
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<timgauthier> :P
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<timgauthier> thanks i'll go read up. I honestly didn't know what to search for other then that
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<crome> using search engines should be taught in elementary schools
<timgauthier> i love search engines, i just don't always know what to search for
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<shevy> timgauthier pr0n
<timgauthier> i'm good at that! :P
<timgauthier> i mean!
* timgauthier backpedals
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<Rhainur> :(
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<vpereira> Rhainur: what is builder in your code?
<DreamingRainne> Maybe Test should inherit from or "include" something? (Unless 'builder' is supposed to do that automatically?)
<vpereira> Rhainur: builder = Builder::XmlMarkup.new ?
<Rhainur> I'm actually a bit confused about Sinatra, because I think maybe this is Sinatra functionality that I'm misinterpreting
<Rhainur> so let me start from the beginning
<Rhainur> I'm trying to make a sinatra app that generates an XML file from a template
<Rhainur> line 28 is the key line
<Rhainur> gistfile1 (calling builder :unknown within the get) works but the 2nd version doesn't
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<DreamingRainne> Ah, the block at 21 is running at the top-level and thus is probably getting "builder" as a top-level variable, which won't be visible within methods.
<DreamingRainne> As a quick and dirty workaround, try: "$builder = builder" outside the class, then refer to "$builder" within it. Just to see whether that works.
<Rhainur> can I pass it in?
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<DreamingRainne> Or do that, if you want.
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<DreamingRainne> Or, hmm. It's being passed arguments like a function, though, not like a variable.
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<Rhainur> that's the problem :(
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<vpereira> Rhainur: hi, like you have a template unknown.builder
<Rhainur> yes I do
<Rhainur> fyi, when I do the builder :unknown outside the class, it works fine
<vpereira> hm path?
<Rhainur> views/unknown.builder
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<vpereira> yup, but this class that you paste it.. can it find it?
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<vpereira> is it running together with sinatra or is ist a PORO?
<atmosx> Anyone can figure out why these associations are not working? https://gist.github.com/atmosx/10865123 I'm using Sequel
<DreamingRainne> If it's callable in the top-level context, it should (technically) be a Kernel method and thus callable everywhere (everything would inherit it). If I understand correctly.
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<Rhainur> okay
<vpereira> Rhainur: start a irb, require 'builder' and call builder.. it doesnt exist. there is the builder and http://sinatra.rubyforge.org/api/classes/Sinatra/Builder.html
<Rhainur> let me make it clearer
<vpereira> to use
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<vpereira> the require 'sinatra' does the whole difference than just open a irb session, require 'builder'
<vpereira> im talking about this here https://gist.github.com/Rhainur/f7e1eab8c86f12476be0
<vpereira> this wont work
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<Rhainur> so what do I have to do?
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<vpereira> to make your sinatra code to work. read the link that i sent. you should just put your builder template into your view path
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<streetlight> hey all
<streetlight> does anyone know an easy way to install ruby 2 via yum?
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<Rhainur> vpereira: the problem is not the template...it's about getting the method to work inside a class
<vpereira> streetlight: yum install rvm :)
<Rhainur> the 2nd file works perfectly, the 1st doesnt
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<streetlight> vpereria is there a way to do it without having the extra dep :)
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<vpereira> Rhainur: yup make sense
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<Rhainur> so how can I get the method to work inside a class?
<vpereira> Rhainur: you are requiring it in a different context
<Rhainur> okay...
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<timgauthier> so _strptime makes a string into a date element. then i can use the strftime to output it the way i want?
<Rhainur> vpereira: how can I get access to it within the class then?
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<shevy> Rhainur you can make your sinatra apps class-based
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<shevy> but note that you define get on class object by default if you use it like that
<vpereira> Rhainur: you could try to include Sinatra::Templates in your class
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<shevy> Rhainur here is how http://www.sinatrarb.com/intro.html#Sinatra::Base%20-%20Middleware,%20Libraries,%20and%20Modular%20Apps
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<Amirh> as an outsource developer, what do you need to know what to develop for your customer? uml diagrams?
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<Rhainur> vpereira: doesn't work
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<vpereira> Rhainur: go figure out
<vpereira> Rhainur: its in the documentation
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<wiscas> somehting i'm not quite understanding
<wiscas> does phusion passenger support ruby only or does it need to be ruby on rails ?
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<DefV> Passenger supports rack
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<DefV> so as long as your ruby app does rack, you can use passenger
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<streetlight> vpereira is there an easy way to get a version from yum?
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<wiscas> humm i'm not sure on something DefV, and sorry for the newbie question, but wouldnt that mean that i'd have to make it compatible with ruby on rails?
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<DefV> wiscas: no
<DefV> wiscas: http://rack.github.io
<vpereira> streetlight: sorry, distributions dont do a good job in ruby packages.. rvm is way better
<vpereira> streetlight: the idea to have to call sudo to install the gems freak me out as well
<ddv> rbenv <3
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<streetlight> vpereira agreed -- thanks for the help though
<vpereira> streetlight: ;)
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<sweeper> morning. does anyone know what encoding like "\xCA \xD0" IS?
<streetlight> if i install rvm to install ruby, can i uninstall rvm after and have it not effect the ruby install?
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<ddv> yes
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<vpereira> streetlight: you wont mess with the system ruby, but if you wipe out rvm you will remove your rvm installed rubies
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<wiscas> so DefV i can have a ruby aplication and deploy it on phusion passenger and it should work?
<vpereira> streetlight: http://rvm.io
<streetlight> vpereia ahh lame
<streetlight> :(
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<vpereira> streetlight: curl -sSL https://get.rvm.io | bash -s stable
<DefV> wiscas: yup
<vpereira> streetlight: get a coffee, come back its ready..
<streetlight> vpereira lol thanks
<streetlight> vpereira no way to curl to a ruby 2 install and skip the whole shebang?
<streetlight> would this work for centos too? http://mac-dev-env.patrickbougie.com/ruby-200/
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<vpereira> streetlight: http://rvm.io/rvm/install
<vpereira> streetlight: i never had a problem with rvm. i used it in centos, debian, opensuse and mac
<vpereira> if you have the dependencies installed
<vpereira> even in production, i just use rvm
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<timgauthier> vpereira some people like to see the world burn, and do things the harder way ;)
<vpereira> timgauthier: then they shouldnt be working with ruby anyway :)
<streetlight> timgauthier :P
<timgauthier> yeah do it in PHP
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<streetlight> just used to node :)
<timgauthier> ;)
<timgauthier> doesn't node basically have RVM equivalent built in?
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<timgauthier> aka, you are used to doing it the harder way streetlight ;)
<streetlight> yeah, it's pretty easy to install a specific version via npm which also manages dependencies (like gem I think)
<streetlight> lol :)
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<streetlight> thanks guys though :)
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<tgandrews> I'm looking for a ruby weighted graph data structure
<tgandrews> something that can be output to an image relatively easily
<tgandrews> does anyone know of anything?
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<streetlight> im having quite abit of trouble getting rvm running on a CentOS machine
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<shevy> haha
<shevy> centos!
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<shevy> hahaha
<shevy> ;-)
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<streetlight> lol
<streetlight> :(
<tgandrews> I've tried using gratr but it isn't ruby 2.0 compatible. Does anyone know of anything else?
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<streetlight> still wish ruby 2 was on yum!
<Schmidt> streetlight: package it :)
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<shevy> streetlight don't be a chicken, use the source: wget ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/2.1/ruby-2.1.1.tar.bz2
<streetlight> Schmidt haven't done it before, but fair point! could be worth trying
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<Schmidt> streetlight: if it simple things, FPM could probably help
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<shevy> tgandrews nothing 100% to your criteria but gruff is sweet -> https://github.com/topfunky/gruff
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<tgandrews> shevy: thanks. I'll have a look
<benzrf> streetlight: just use ruby-install/chruby
<shevy> you can scan through the screenshots there and see whether anything remotely matches your need
<shevy> and if not, there is the programming language R still :P
<tgandrews> Ah sorry when I said graph I mean a network graph. The CS version of a graph not a bar chart etc.
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<tgandrews> shevy: lol
<shevy> hmm
<shevy> a network graph
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<shevy> graphviz
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<shevy> and there are ruby bindings for it too
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<Hanmac1> shevy iphone user would say, "there is a app for that" ... we can say "there is a binding for that" ;P
<timgauthier> any of you middleman users on?
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<timgauthier> how do you use an instance variable :|
<timgauthier> as in, i want to print it in an erg, would i just <%= @instance %> ?
<shevy> timgauthier just like you use local variables
<timgauthier> ok
<shevy> god
<shevy> erb
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<shevy> timgauthier, the @ivar resides inside of your class
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<shevy> class Foo; def initialize; @tim = 'this is tim here'; end; end
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<timgauthier> my brain just clicked what the heck this instruction was saying.. man how the heck does someone use a different template engine in this middleman, literally EVERYTHING is build for .erb...
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<timgauthier> where does a normal lowercase variable reside?
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<shevy> usually inside of a method
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<timgauthier> okay, now translate that to PHP speak so i can understand it :P
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<timgauthier> *hehehe*
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<shevy> a method is def bla
<shevy> you asked where a normal lowercase variable reside
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<shevy> and that's like a no question? because you can uhm... define a normal lowercase variable everywhere?
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<shevy> def foo
<shevy> x = 'hi tim'
<shevy> end
<workmad3> timgauthier: a normal lowercased variable is a local variable, it only exists in the local scope it gets defined in
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<timgauthier> sorry shevy, i meant like if i define a lowercase variable what is the scope,
<workmad3> timgauthier: local
<timgauthier> I realize that base PHP doesn't really have classes so a @variable doesn't have a real analog
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<timgauthier> thanks workmad3
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<timgauthier> and to call a local variable from outside a method you call the method and receive the output but you can't grab a specific variable?
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<workmad3> timgauthier: yeah, can't access a local var from outside the scope it's created in
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<timgauthier> mhmm, ok yup you've said words I actually understand :D thanks
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<Schmidt> Has anyone worked with WebVTT files? I need to parse and split .vtt files by timestamps. Most gems I've found does not seem to support that...
<beaky> hello
<beaky> why are symbols good
<tobiasvl> beaky: they're only stored once
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<tobiasvl> beaky: they're immutable
<tobiasvl> beaky: they're faster
<tgandrews> shevy: I eventually got plexus working.
<beaky> wow ruby strings arent immutable?
<DouweM> beaky: nope
<timgauthier> i love changing strings
<DouweM> beaky: but the main point of symbols is that they're stored only once
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<beaky> so symbols are basically interned strings
<timgauthier> Can you tell me what the actual error is?
<tobiasvl> >> a = " hello "; a.strip!; puts a
<eval-in> tobiasvl => hello ... (https://eval.in/137480)
<tobiasvl> beaky: yes that's exactly what they are
<DouweM> beaky: that's exactly right
<DouweM> beaky: that's also what they're called in source, basically
<shevy> timgauthier you have a nil value
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<timgauthier> in what?
<shevy> dunno, that error message you get looks fucked up
<shevy> perhaps extension[1..-1].to_sym returns nil
<shevy> before .to_sym is called
<shevy> it's the erb disease, error messages no longer make sense
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<timgauthier> yeah... lol
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<benzrf> shevy: wenk wenk
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<timgauthier> benzrf you guys are right, erb is ugly
<shevy> benzrf it's written "wank" man
<mikecmpbll> stop wenking.
<timgauthier> but I don't understand the logic of haml yet
<mikecmpbll> i like erb. fuck haml.
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<timgauthier> mikecmpbll :P
<shevy> lol
<benzrf> mikecmpbll: wrong
<timgauthier> I like {{
<mikecmpbll> no u
<timgauthier> DOCH
<benzrf> timgauthier: just read the docs
<ddd> s/OC/OUC/
<shevy> timgauthier if you combine erb with haml you got only two things
<benzrf> haml is a simpler more elegant solution [trufax]
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<timgauthier> elegant isn't what i'd call it
<mikecmpbll> that's also an opinion masquerading as a fact.
<ddd> show me the trufax
<workmad3> haml sucks for content
<DouweM> erb makes me feel dirty
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<shevy> lol
<workmad3> but it's ok for templates
<timgauthier> Fight Fight Fight!
<benzrf> yea
<shevy> those are some epic responses here
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<timgauthier> lol shevy
<timgauthier> guess what shevy, I AM NOT REDOING ALL MY ERB INTO HAML
<workmad3> erb is also ok for templates
<shevy> haha
<timgauthier> so either you do it all, or i leave it
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<workmad3> both haml and erb are ugly if you've got too much happening in the template though :)
<timgauthier> i do lots of logic "if this exists" but only because I don't want to render a <div> that isn't being used.
<timgauthier> which to me, is why you'd use a template
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<shevy> man
<shevy> wouldn't you wish you could have if/else checks in html
<Hanmac1> shevy: centos would say "man - command not found"
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<workmad3> shevy: not particularly
<workmad3> shevy: I've seen XSLT
<mikecmpbll> lolwat
<timgauthier> yes shevy i wish i could
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<timgauthier> but they'd be just as ugly
<workmad3> timgauthier: uglier
<chad___> quite a bit uglier
<timgauthier> really your finally HTML should not have logic in it
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<timgauthier> so a template engine should do that
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<workmad3> timgauthier: ideally, your template shouldn't have logic in it either... at most, it should have very simple logic
<timgauthier> liquid is actually quite nice, but .erb is amazing because you have all of the ruby available, you can do things that are insanely powerful, like reference models and controllers, but you output a true HTML
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<mikecmpbll> i like to put my M, V and C into the V
<timgauthier> workmad3 yeah, I agree, more then "out put this string this way" or "do this here unless that isn' t a set variable"
<mikecmpbll> keeps it simple, yo.
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<timgauthier> but if its more complicated then a single if statement to output a truthy or nil then a controller does it better
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<timgauthier> or if you do it more then once
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<timgauthier> but then you can end up having html in your controller which i think is worse, so then you have a controller, a partial and a template
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<timgauthier> talk about atomizing your design!
<workmad3> timgauthier: no, in that situation you're better off with a proper view layer that sits behind the template
<timgauthier> i'm sad sad, i don't know how to add a switch to the middleman article command :|
<timgauthier> wait...
<timgauthier> i thought the view layer WAS the template?
<workmad3> timgauthier: in a lot of MVC frameworks, they're collapsed together for simplicity
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<timgauthier> ah
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<mikecmpbll> or rather, they're not yet divided
<timgauthier> so you'd have a .ruby for the view, then a template layer
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<timgauthier> then do you create two templates that differ only by if a variable appears or not or do you still do that in your template ?
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<workmad3> timgauthier: nah, I'd have a template that always output the result of a view method
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<workmad3> timgauthier: and that view method would either return or not return the content based on that variable
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<timgauthier> so if you have a page where you may or may not have tags.. then you have a template that includes tags and a template that does not? even though the templates are otherwise identical?
<workmad3> timgauthier: see above
<timgauthier> yeah i'm trying to understand above
<workmad3> timgauthier: the template would always have '<%= render_tags %>'
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<timgauthier> ok
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<timgauthier> so now what if <%= render tags %> is inside a div called <div class="tags"> but you want that to collapse and not be there if there are zero tags?
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<workmad3> timgauthier: why would that call be inside the div?
<mikecmpbll> heh
<workmad3> timgauthier: that call would add the div
<timgauthier> because you don't want to put the div with the styling into the view
<workmad3> timgauthier: the template is saying 'tags go here man'
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<workmad3> timgauthier: why wouldn't I? :)
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<timgauthier> yeah, i've worked with templates that where built like that, and they are unessesarily awkward. I firmly believe that you should never have html that appears from nowhere
<mikecmpbll> what
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<timgauthier> the html should all be put in once place so that it is manageable to change
<mikecmpbll> have you ever rendered a partial?
<timgauthier> yes
<mikecmpbll> so what's that
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<timgauthier> the html partials are in the same place as the rest of the html though, not segregated from them in some ruby file
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<timgauthier> are you saying that render tags is calling a partial that contains the html to draw that div?
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<workmad3> timgauthier: it can do
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<timgauthier> i'm okay with that, as long as it is commented into the template saying what partial is pulling the html
<workmad3> timgauthier: there's lots of ways to skin this cat
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<timgauthier> yeah thats what people say... but really I think there isn't.
<timgauthier> Ever work with Php Formbuilder?
<workmad3> timgauthier: sometimes I'd generate the HTML directly in the view, with the template just being a very simple thing saying what order stuff gets put into
<mikecmpbll> lol
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<timgauthier> Try to edit the output of the form, oh you want to change how it builds a form to update it from 1999 to html5 standerd forms? great now you get to go rewrite PHP!
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<timgauthier> workmad3 as a developer I understand why you would, but as a designer I have to say that it actually makes things more difficult
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<workmad3> timgauthier: if I was working with a designer, I wouldn't do that approach
<timgauthier> its much harder to design. If i can write out a full static html page with all of the content in it and then design and built all of it out, then remove the content and plug in ruby/php/javascript/node/batman then its a much more flexible and agnostic process
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<timgauthier> thanks then workmad3 :)
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<timgauthier> see, and i'm really a designer pretending to be a developer here, so I always build the basic logic out in the front.
<workmad3> timgauthier: and you say that's a much more flexible approach... but when you 'plug in' the language, you frequently end up with an atrocious unmaintainable mess :)
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<timgauthier> what do you mean?
<timgauthier> if I put a logic block into my html and then change from PHP to erb or from liquid to erb then I just change the language of those logic blocks. I don't have to change the html at all, or even move it
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<workmad3> timgauthier: I mean that you end up with a single, huge template that's filled with crufty condition rendering, loops going over badly named variables and all sorts of other mess that makes it really difficult to see what the hell is going on
<timgauthier> but if that html is in a ruby file controller then I have to make sure I move it to the new language
<timgauthier> ah
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<workmad3> timgauthier: I've seen the extremes of that approach too ;)
<timgauthier> yes it can, but I also divide my templates and such up quite a bit
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<workmad3> timgauthier: I think the worst I saw was a fucking 3000 line XSLT file that couldn't even be indented properly because it broke stuff
<timgauthier> haha wow
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<timgauthier> yeah, no every view has a different template, at least
<workmad3> timgauthier: this was for 1 view
<DouweM> that's on a whole other level, bordering on impressive workmad3
<timgauthier> anything that is in more then one place goes into a partial
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<timgauthier> anything that repeats gets turned into a partial
<mikecmpbll> hey, i was under the influence when i wrote that xslt
<timgauthier> if its a different state, then if at all possible, different template
<workmad3> mikecmpbll: you've worked on dspace? :D
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<mikecmpbll> oh yeah, thems were the days
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<mikecmpbll> no, no i haven't.
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<timgauthier> what do you call the thing that runs when i do $ bundle exec middleman article
<shevy> madness
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<timgauthier> I know it outputs a markdown file based on a template in a folder and adds the date etc
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<timgauthier> but what is "article" ? and how can i change it, modify it, or create a new variation?
<Hanmac> shevy: this is not madness this! is! bundler!! ;DP
<shevy> wouldn't you like to know!
<shevy> timgauthier, Hanmac is THE bundler expert
<shevy> ask him bundler related questions
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<timgauthier> i don't need to know shevy, honestly its me being a lazy sod and not wanting to have to add layout: linked_list to some of my blog articles when i create them
<timgauthier> not that i will likely create very many.
<workmad3> https://github.com/DSpace/DSpace/blob/master/dspace-xmlui/src/main/webapp/themes/dri2xhtml/structural.xsl looks like it's just as bad... although that generates the 'repository view'....
<timgauthier> hanmac can i use bundler to install a local version of bundler that is different, then have that automatically create a specific gem and scaffold a full website for me?!
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<workmad3> but I think they fixed the indentation problem since I last had to touch it :)
<Hanmac> timgauthier: shevy lied to you, i never used bundler :/
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<timgauthier> hahaha :P
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<workmad3> timgauthier: that also answers the question of what it would look like if you had <if> tags in HTML...
<timgauthier> yea
<timgauthier> thats .xsl
<timgauthier> we all agree that that was a mistake
<shevy> wesnoth game does not agree with you!
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<timgauthier> html is for content markup, css is for style and layout
<canton7-mac> reminds me of ColdFusion as well...
<timgauthier> don't put style and mark up in html if you can, and don't put content in css if you can
<shevy> [if] [variable] name=we.gold
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<timgauthier> of course we fuck both of those up most of the time with stuff like i:before { content:" " } just so we can do stupid icons and stuff
<timgauthier> and technically it isn't "content" so i guess its ok
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<timgauthier> thats ugly shevy
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<timgauthier> why not [ if variable name = we.gold
<timgauthier> ]
<LadyRainicorn> That is pretty awful syntax.
<shevy> don't ask me, I did not implement it
<timgauthier> LadyRainicorn yea... well thats what happens when the W3C tries to create new languages
<shevy> timgauthier but it is curious that one of the maintainers came to the conclusion in 2010 that it sucked haha :D http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/83-Why-the-Wesnoth-Markup-Language-is-bad-for-you.html
<timgauthier> have you seen CSS LadyRainicorn ?
<shevy> they'll probably switch to lua fully eventually
<timgauthier> lua isn't bad
<LadyRainicorn> How about ]var,name^^gold-we
<timgauthier> what language is that?
<workmad3> we should all use APL for templates
<shevy> hehehe
<LadyRainicorn> The only thing I could think of writing worse syntax ;p
<workmad3> then we could have a template as short and succinct as the APL prime-number seive... (~R∊R∘.×R)/R←1↓ιR
<timgauthier> whats apl? some microsoft stuff?
<timgauthier> what the...
<workmad3> or their Conway's implementation... life←{↑1 ⍵∨.∧3 4=+/,¯1 0 1∘.⊖¯1 0 1∘.⌽⊂⍵}
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<LadyRainicorn> wow that is confusing
<timgauthier> workmad3 that'd be awesome to see in source files... 90% of windows users wouldn't be able to process it!
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<workmad3> heh, not seen this one before... remove all HTML tags with APL - '⎕←{⍵/⍨~{⍵∨≠\⍵}⍵∊'<>'}txt'
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<timgauthier> thats awesome shevy
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<timgauthier> all of my dummy articles in my blog section right now are late night shows... :|
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<timgauthier> you know what is hard to understand... the way templates nest backwards
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<shevy> chinese is also hard to understand
<timgauthier> yes
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<shevy> I wonder why new code is written
<shevy> haven't we by now solved all possible problems anyway?
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<shevy> like when I compare evince to okular
<shevy> that one got this feature and the other does not have it, and vice versa
<timgauthier> ruby has :D
<DefV> most problems have been solved for a long time
<DefV> but they haven't all been solved in <new programming language>
<timgauthier> OH WE CANT DO THAT IN RUBY okay well then lets do it in a language we can do it in and then have ruby access that!
<shevy> yeah DefV :(
<timgauthier> I understand how node.js got invented
<timgauthier> i still think it was a bad idea
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<shevy> what did you expect
<shevy> it is javascript after all
<DefV> it has its merits
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<timgauthier> it has merits?
<Veejay> IT NEVAR BLOCKS
<Veejay> Which is an merit
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<timgauthier> lol
<timgauthier> it is?
<timgauthier> i thought blocks were good?
<Veejay> I have no idea. I've read that online often enough now that I've become convinced that never blocking is the way.
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<timgauthier> oh i see
<timgauthier> thats pretty easy to convince you then Veejay :D
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<Veejay> Until someone is better at ramming shit in my brain
<timgauthier> haha
<timgauthier> Veejay are you a video DJ or Indian?
<timgauthier> :P
<timgauthier> i'm not sure how to pronounce it in my head
<Veejay> Like right now, I don't know what kind of program I will write in 10 years
<Veejay> But there's a fair chance it will have monads on the JVM
<Veejay> Prepare to be disappointed. I'm not a DJ and I'm French. HA!
<timgauthier> so its feeshay
<timgauthier> got it
<Veejay> Your name sounds suspiciously French too
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<timgauthier> ja
<Veejay> Ahh the good old times of the colonies
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<Veejay> (j/k colonization is horrible, don't do it)
<timgauthier> I'm Half French Canadian, living in Germany speaking more german then french
<timgauthier> the french where half decent at it, i don't see any former french colonies angry about it
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<timgauthier> ugh, does anyone know a nice clear easy to read list for the %Y %m %d codes?
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<shevy> timgauthier you'll move away from germany again eventually!
<timgauthier> the one i found.. the %Y is offset from the line after it by half a line... so how the heck do i read it!
<timgauthier> shevy likely :P
<shevy> what %Y code, for time?
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<shevy> >> Time.now.strftime "%d.%m.%Y"
<eval-in> shevy => "16.04.2014" (https://eval.in/137504)
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<timgauthier> yes i know that shevy
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<shevy> \o/
<Veejay> timgauthier: You haven't looked very closely then haha
<timgauthier> what i'm looking for is the list that shows all of the %Y and %h and what they mean
<Veejay> We were awful at it
<shevy> you are reaching the point in ruby where you answer your own questions timgauthier :)
<Veejay> Also, it's not like you can be any good at stealing people's shit
<shevy> that list is somewhere on the internetz I am sure
<shevy> probably ruby docu
<timgauthier> Veejay nawww you're good, heck Mali even invited you back for a second try!
<timgauthier> yeah shevy its okay, if no one has a nice list i'll keep looking
<shevy> look at "Format directives:"
<timgauthier> there we go!
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<shevy> but a real rubyist has that memorized for life
<shevy> OR
<shevy> he tries in irb until it matches
<timgauthier> haha :P
<timgauthier> some of them are weird, lile %k
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<shevy> hmm
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<shevy> $VERBOSE is such a hack
<olivier_bK> i try to get all caracter after = in rubular everything doing well but in my script i get an error :( and i dont understand why
<timgauthier> then you get some awesome things like %F and %R which do exactly what i need
<chad___> strftimer.com for strftime :)
<shevy> am I right in assuming that $VERBOSE = nil is the same as $VERBOSE = 0 ?
<olivier_bK> line.match((?==).+) #.gsub(/\.;/,'').gsub(/...
<olivier_bK> ... ^
<olivier_bK> (irb):95: syntax error, unexpected keyword_end, expecting ')'
<shevy> olivier_bK where are the //
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<shevy> timgauthier what is %F and %R doing?
<olivier_bK> ohh
<DefV> sitting in a tree
<DefV> K I S S I N G
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<timgauthier> they are shorthand for %Y - %m - %d and %H:%M
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<timgauthier> so you can build your UTC timestamp with 2 calls instead of 5
<shevy> hmm
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<shevy> >> Time.now.strftime "%F"
<eval-in> shevy => "2014-04-16" (https://eval.in/137505)
<timgauthier> :)
<shevy> but I like my year last!
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<workmad3> timgauthier: by UTC, I assume you mean ISO8601?
<timgauthier> then you are a heathen
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<timgauthier> yes workmad3
<timgauthier> i had to google that
<timgauthier> I realize UTC is just a timezone
<timgauthier> sort of
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<shevy> it could be a company too
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<workmad3> shevy: I thought you liked simple, uncomplicated things?
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<shevy> workmad3 yes!
<workmad3> shevy: so surely you like the year first? :D
<shevy> no!
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<timgauthier> biggest to smallest
<shevy> I live by the day, not the year!
<workmad3> shevy: ok... so give me the date-ordering algorithm for a year-last format pls :P
<shevy> smallest counter to biggest counter!
<timgauthier> Year-Month-date-hour-minute-second timecode
<timgauthier> but shevy, what if you realize you need to add something too it?
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<shevy> add where to?
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<workmad3> shevy: so the number '1234' is four-thousand, three hundred and twenty one?
<timgauthier> you can't prepend an entry on a form by hand!
<timgauthier> workmad3 in arabit it is
<timgauthier> :D
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<shevy> workmad3 we write from left to right
<timgauthier> arabic* lol
<timgauthier> yes shevy
<shevy> workmad3 so we count dd.mm.yyyy as well
<workmad3> shevy: as I asked... give me the date ordering algorithm for that pls ;)
<timgauthier> so we write year month day hour minute second millisecond nanosecond timezone
<timgauthier> you stop when you have enough detail
<shevy> dd.mm.yyyy
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<workmad3> shevy: I have d1.m1.yyy1 and d2.m2.yyy2... how do I compare them and put them in order?
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<shevy> workmad3 you sort it properly
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<workmad3> shevy: yeah... I'm asking you for the simple, uncomplicated algorithm for that ;)
<shevy> workmad3 use a method
<timgauthier> you sort it by split(".") then you reverse it, then you make it a date object
<timgauthier> and then you can use normal ruby!
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<shevy> why would you have to reverse it if it would be the default?
<timgauthier> because it isn't
<timgauthier> its wrong
<workmad3> shevy: because YYYYMMDDD is automatically ordered
<shevy> it's not the default, that is what is wrong
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<workmad3> shevy: while DDMMYYYY isn't
<timgauthier> i mean at least he's not being completely convoluted and asking for MMDDYYYY
<shevy> workmad3 now in your example you used ., where did these go!
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<workmad3> shevy: gsub them out ;)
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<workmad3> shevy: you'd need to do that no matter what
<timgauthier> in the filesystem 1folder goes before 2folder automatically
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<workmad3> shevy: also, YYYY/MM/DD and YYYY.MM.DD are also automatically lexically ordered
<shevy> I really fail to see the unsolvable mystery in it :(
<timgauthier> so YYYY/MM/DD works way easier for file naming conventions too
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<shevy> I don't see any of that
<workmad3> shevy: while DD.MM.YYYY isn't lexically or numerically ordered without jumping through hoops to compare each part separately
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<timgauthier> but seriously people who want their legal documents filled out MM DD YY are ridiculous :|
<shevy> workmad3 do you really write "signed on 2014-04-16" in the UK?
<atmosx> timgauthier: hey I'm European, I like to read my date as I'm used to.
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<timgauthier> DD MM YY isn't european
<timgauthier> DD MM YY is american
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<atmosx> timgauthier: nope.
<workmad3> shevy: I wish we did :(
<shevy> now something isn't consistent here
<timgauthier> YYYY MM DD is correct, DD MM YYYY i can accept
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<timgauthier> but MM DD YY or MM DD YYYY are unacceptable
<atmosx> Ah sure
<timgauthier> I mean MM DD YYYY is slightly better because you at least know what year it is
<atmosx> month-day-year? never saw that
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<atmosx> timgauthier: of course.
<timgauthier> month day year is standard in america and some parts of canada
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<shevy> ack
<timgauthier> the federal standard in canada is DD MM YYYY for forms which annoys me but at least has them in a semi logical order
<shevy> they start with the month first?
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<timgauthier> yes shevy
<shevy> why do they always pick the stupidest solution
<oponder> so you can sort by month nicely =D
<timgauthier> and once you break away from YYYY MM DD and allowing people to write their dates willy nilly then it gets unacceptable
<shevy> lol
<workmad3> timgauthier: MM/DD/YYYY does have a sort-of logical reason behind it
<workmad3> timgauthier: 'september the eleventh'
<timgauthier> no september the 11th is because they do it wrong, it should be 11th of september
<shevy> the eleventh of september?
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<timgauthier> i was born the 23rd day of september year of our lord 1986. Simple
<shevy> yes
<shevy> dd.mm.yyy
<shevy> +y
<workmad3> timgauthier: but by your own rationale, that's the 'correct' way of saying it ;)
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<workmad3> timgauthier: largest to smallest
<timgauthier> sure, but when you add time it gets dumb
<shevy> haha
<DouweM> dd-mm-yyyy ftw
<timgauthier> HH:MM:SS
<shevy> MM:HH:SS would be worse
<timgauthier> so then if i write it out in notation i write it out YYYY:MM:DD HH:MM:SS
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<timgauthier> and I write it 100$
<shevy> I have a question
<timgauthier> because that makes sense too
<shevy> when I start IRB, and put $VERBOSE
<timgauthier> but goes against my logic.
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<shevy> hmm I get false
<timgauthier> what happens when you quit IRB with verbose ?
<timgauthier> don't you have to start IRB with a flag to get verbose?
<timgauthier> irb --verbose
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<atmosx> is safe_yaml part of core?
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<timgauthier> why does time.parse error when it has seconds, but time.now generates seconds?
<shevy> I think I understand it finally
<shevy> also I was setting $VERBOSITY and wondered why it did nothing :P
<timgauthier> haha
<shevy> the default is false, which they think is 1, and if you set $VERBOSE to nil it means "be silent"
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<shevy> so I can do: $VERBOSE = nil; require 'stupid_library_that_has_a_million_warnings'; $VERBOSE = false
<shevy> but having to set global variables really stinks
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<jamto11> for ruby whats an elegant way to unArray am array with 1 string value inside of it. ex: ["select * from"]. I know about .join("") and [0] anything else?
<LadyRainicorn> .firsr
<LadyRainicorn> .first
<randytravis> compile error
<randytravis> wth
<randytravis> how do I solve this?
<shevy> yeah sure
<shevy> images
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<LadyRainicorn> lol, there should be an AdviceAnimal about posting terminal screenshots.
<shevy> if we could just set $VERBOSE and $DEBUG and also interpreter warnings
<pontiki> more lube, randytravis ?
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<timgauthier> LadyRainicorn nice...
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<timgauthier> is there a way to print the terminal to a file?
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<shevy> what does this even mean
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<shevy> there are some ways to capture what is typed
<LadyRainicorn> lol pontiki
<pontiki> there is in OSX
<timgauthier> like, take take the output of the terminal and save as a .txt file
<shevy> timgauthier is an osx user
<timgauthier> how so in pontiki ?
<timgauthier> do share!
<pontiki> i sometimes hit CMD-P instead of CTRL-P and get a print menu
<LadyRainicorn> shevy: What does what mean?
<shevy> LadyRainicorn to print the terminal to a file :)
<shevy> screenshot!
<timgauthier> yea but that saves a pdf
<pontiki> what's your point?
<timgauthier> i mean i'd like to output the terminal to .txt
<pontiki> it's the bloody print menu
<shevy> hehe
<pontiki> you said "print the terminal"
<LadyRainicorn> No, what are you referring to when you ask what 'this' meant.
<pontiki> not "save the contents to a text file"
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<timgauthier> i mean yeah i can copy but it would be cool to be able to flag a command and have the output of that commands terminal print to a file
<shevy> LadyRainicorn it was meant in response to what timgauthier meant when he wrote <timgauthier> is there a way to print the terminal to a file?
<timgauthier> well i meant print in the print_r kind of way
<pontiki> my_command 2>&1 | tee my_command_output.txt
<LadyRainicorn> Select and copy.
<shevy> tea!
<LadyRainicorn> copypasta
<LadyRainicorn> copynoodles
<shevy> aha
<shevy> you like rainbow noodles
<LadyRainicorn> imitationnoodles
<pontiki> don't we all?
<shevy> instanoodles
<timgauthier> lady yeah but the pasta is sometimes hard to find the be inning between the various attempts and failures so if i could just run the command that fails
<timgauthier> so tea!
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<pontiki> or the really cool thing to do is start script in your shell, then you get everything logged to a file
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<LadyRainicorn> ah ok
<pontiki> it doesn't play so well with *curses programs though
<timgauthier> is tea a thing?
<timgauthier> or is it tee? and where does the output of a file exsist?
<pontiki> are you asking about the tee(1) command?
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<LadyRainicorn> Rainbow noodles are the best!
<timgauthier> yes pontiki
<pontiki> try man tee at your terminal
* LadyRainicorn gives everyone rainbow noodles.
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<shevy> happiness!
* LadyRainicorn wants tea now.
<shevy> was there a tee party?
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<timgauthier> sweet!
<timgauthier> tee is exactly what i want!
<timgauthier> now when something is failing i can just run it with tee and have a file!
<timgauthier> is man the manual ?
<olivier_bK> i need to get only the param after the = but in my file i have a lot of params with = $config['uid'] = 'booster';
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<olivier_bK> for that i use this regex ((?=uid)(.*))
<olivier_bK> but in rubular i get that uid'] = 'boosters';
<olivier_bK> and i only want the params after =
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<shevy> I am confused why you use two ()
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<shevy> I mean
<shevy> two ((
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<olivier_bK> it's an error
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<shevy> you said it is a regex
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<olivier_bK> it's a regex yes
<LadyRainicorn> He is using Lisp style regexps.
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<LadyRainicorn> Though he seems to have forgotten several parentheses.
<shevy> >> "foo = uid yo".match(/(?=uid)(.*)/)[1]
<shevy> where is the bot
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<pontiki> $config['uid'] = 'booster'; looks like perl
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<pontiki> or php
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<shevy> yeah
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<shevy> pontiki he wants to convert a php array into yaml, through ruby
<pontiki> why?
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<olivier_bK> pontiki, +1
<olivier_bK> it s php
<shevy> olivier_bK, if the regex confuses you, why dont you just .split ?
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<pontiki> why not convert it to yaml from the language it's written in?
<shevy> pontiki dunno why, I save myself headache by not asking ;-)
<olivier_bK> shevy, may e
<pontiki> or is this just an exercise?
<olivier_bK> shevy, may be sorry
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<timgauthier> i really should turn on sass-globbing :|
<olivier_bK> i m almost i dont need uid i need all after =
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<timgauthier> "WHY DEOSNT" THIS SASS FILE MAKE ANY CHANGES", oh yeah forgot to include it cause its new. derp
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<benzrf> wenk wenk
<benzrf> jesus christ i cant stop doing that >.<
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<timgauthier> haha
<timgauthier> don't you get sore benzrf ?
<benzrf> much funny
<benzrf> wenk as in the noise penguins in adventure time make
<timgauthier> heh heh
<benzrf> sounds kinda like a duck
<timgauthier> i really need to watch that at some point
<benzrf> yes u do
<timgauthier> I also need a larger monitor, seriously, a 13-inch display is awesome on the go, but I need a 27-inch iMac soon
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<sweeper> man
<sweeper> don't ever get suckered in by jruby
<DouweM> timgauthier: man, I can't imagine doing any serious work on a 13" display
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<tobiasvl> is there anything j* that's cool
<tobiasvl> scala?
<timgauthier> its small man.. its small, and now that i'm using my external keyboard and mouse, i need to lift this sucker up higher
<timgauthier> brb, need stack of books
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<headius> sweeper: suckered?
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<timgauthier> ehh box from some solomons will do
<headius> sweeper: did you have a problem running jruby?
<timgauthier> show me on this doll where jruby touched you
<DouweM> lol
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<headius> no doubt
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<DouweM> headius: you've got an alert set up for mentions of JRuby? :)
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<headius> of course
<pontiki> the 13" retina is actually workable for a bit, but not for long-haul coding sessions
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<DouweM> pontiki: I find 15" barely doable, there's just too much switching between windows. I love tiling on a 27" display :)
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<timgauthier> i'd love a 15 retina and i'd scale down things sometimes, but i'd still need a 27 external
<timgauthier> or even 2
<pontiki> i still have to switch on the 27:
<pontiki> "
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<DouweM> pontiki: sure, but a lot less than on 15"
<pontiki> 2 27's would be ideal
<timgauthier> the amount of crap I tend to have open at once because i'm using it is rediculous
<pontiki> oh sure
<DouweM> yeah I'm gonna get a second 27" at some point
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<pontiki> when i'm in 13" mode, i tend to use fullscreen mode and flip screens
<timgauthier> I need to make some money, first up i buy a 27" display, then the new laptop, then the second display
<timgauthier> of course pay for the wedding first :P
<pontiki> or maybe a bank of 6, 2 rows of 3!!
<DouweM> timgauthier: nice
<timgauthier> haha yea
<DouweM> pontiki: that would be the best :P
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<DouweM> timgauthier: when are you getting married?
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<timgauthier> August this year
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<DouweM> timgauthier: congrats
<pontiki> nice
<LadyRainicorn> wow such monitor
<timgauthier> thanks
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<pontiki> my advice: spend more on the honeymoon than the wedding
<timgauthier> its a bunch of stress planning a wedding, and then we have 2 countries on top of that
<timgauthier> well, we don't even have the money for the wedding. and so we're going to do the honeymoon next year :|
<DouweM> hehe
<pontiki> same advice :)
<timgauthier> we get married in Canada then come back and get married again for the german family
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<pontiki> it's amazing how little of the wedding ceremony i remember
<LadyRainicorn> Drunk?
<pontiki> oh, two weddings
<pontiki> no
<timgauthier> yea i suspect that too, we're trying to be as cheap as possible
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<pontiki> actually, it was a dry reception, held in the church reception hall
<timgauthier> we only have 5k€ for all of it
<tobiasvl> hello fellow soon-to-be-wed
<DouweM> pfft, two weddings must be exhausting
<DouweM> planning them and attending them
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<pontiki> but it was dizzying -- so many relatives, so many people i'd never met before
<pontiki> neither of us even got to eat anything besides cake
<timgauthier> the canadian one is a BBQ outside so that'll be fun :D
<pontiki> awesome :)
<pontiki> my sister and her wife have been married 5 times :)
<timgauthier> still gotta figure out how to cook for 60 people but yeah
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<DefV> I'm getting married in Oktober, and I don't even want to think about the money that's going to that wedding :-|
<DouweM> pontiki: haha nice
<timgauthier> haha pontiki that sounds exhuasting
<pontiki> delegate, my friend, delegate
<pontiki> well, not all in the same year
<timgauthier> well yeah, but i'm being told I can't ask anyone who was invited to cook, that isn't fair they want to come and have fun.
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<pontiki> i keep telling them they have to come out here to minnesnowda now that they've made SSM legal
<pontiki> make it 6 :)
<timgauthier> my woman's been invited to too many weddings just so that she can work. so theres that
<DouweM> catering for 60 people is gonna cost ya
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<timgauthier> we're going to have people bring their own salads and we'll provide some of the meat, or maybe we'll provide meat for the wedding party and drinks and they bring their own meat and salads
<timgauthier> they all know that we're dirt poor so they can deal with it
<timgauthier> :P
<DouweM> :)
<pontiki> what you'll probably *really* need are extra grills
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<pontiki> or do a luao (sp?)
<timgauthier> we're in a park with a big fire pit and then 3 bbq stands
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<mg^> When I got married, we went to Costco and spent about $200 on mini sandwiches and meat/cheese platters and did a picnic-style lunch on my parents' acreage. Worked out nice.
<timgauthier> and we can bring more i believe
<DouweM> pontiki: what's that?
<LadyRainicorn> Don't people bring money to pay for the wedding?
<pontiki> roast a whole pig in the ground, hawaiian style, DouweM
<timgauthier> a luao is a hawaiian bbq
<timgauthier> LadyRainicorn they do?
<DouweM> ah, all right
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<mg^> Not in American culture, they don't.
<pontiki> it varies
<LadyRainicorn> Huh.
<timgauthier> yeah LadyRainicorn
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<LadyRainicorn> America is weird.
<pontiki> traditional american weddings, the father of the bride pays for everything
<mg^> I am sure where you are at is weird to us :)
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<mg^> yeah, that comes from the traditional dowry.
<pontiki> America *is* weird
<timgauthier> i don't know many people who've had that pontiki
<mg^> We made sure to go easy on my in-laws.
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<pontiki> neither do i, tim
<DouweM> LadyRainicorn: where is that the norm?
<LadyRainicorn> But doesn't it seem inefficient to have everyone bring their own salada rather than just contribute money?
<pontiki> we got married in 83, no one else was going to pay for ours
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<timgauthier> by fiancées parents are giving us 5000€ for the wedding, and my parents have zilch to give us so we hope to save up some money SOMEHOW before then to help pay
<mg^> LadyRainicorn: there's a big difference in perception
<timgauthier> LadyRainicorn naw because then we'd have to make salads for everyone too
<timgauthier> and we are only in canada about a week before our wedding, and still have to figure out where to stay for that time.
<pontiki> ah, well, the *other* great American tradition is the Potluck
<mg^> timgauthier: my wedding cost just over $5000 total including my wife's dress. It can be done.
<timgauthier> then the fiancee's parents are coming and we are all renting a house for a week, then we go for vacation!
<mg^> that was 12 years ago, inflation hasn't been that bad since
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<timgauthier> mg^ yeah, we got the dress for 400, and I hope to get rings for about 120 and a suit for 200
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<timgauthier> its the flight that concerns us
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<pontiki> photographers, florists, food, space, and such are the big ticket items
<timgauthier> yeah
<pontiki> that's just for *one* place
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<mg^> We solved the photographer problem in a fun way
<timgauthier> actually space isn't bad here in germany
<pontiki> oh good
<pontiki> the bbq in the park thing is great
<timgauthier> and photographer, I have very good photographers as friends so I've got someone who offered to do it for free
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<mg^> We bought disposable 35MM cameras, like 20 of them
<mg^> and handed them out to random guests
<mg^> and encouraged people with good cameras to bring them out
<timgauthier> and the park only cost 400 for the day (okay thats a lot, and its more then an old factory cost us in germany)
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<pontiki> back in the day, i was asked to do photography for some friends' weddings
<DouweM> timgauthier: didn't you just say you shouldn't let guests work at the wedding? :)
<pontiki> i did that with the pile of disposable cameras as well
<mg^> so we ended up with something like 1500 pictures, and a subset of them were very nice.
<pontiki> it worked out great
<timgauthier> mg^ thats awesome for the reception, but for the ceremony its a pain in the ass having everyone more paying attention to the cameras then the actual wedding ;)
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<pontiki> i did the composed wedding shots, which they still wanted
<timgauthier> DouweM i don't care if guests work at the wedding :P the bride does, but when i invited the friend they asked if i had a photographer, and then offered to do it, so thats awesome
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<pontiki> but holy crap, after like doing 5 friends' weddings, i was sick of it
<DouweM> timgauthier: ah nice of them
<timgauthier> pontiki yeah friends turn into monsters at weddings. so I don't do any work for friends weddings
<pontiki> more their families, but yeah
<timgauthier> and I never do film at weddings, video is hard enough, but weddings are rediculous
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<pontiki> aunt jane and cousin maude have a blood fued going on, so they can't be next to each other
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<pontiki> WHO THE HELL ARE AUNT JANE AND COUSIN MAUDE AND WHY ARE YOU MAKING THIS MY PROBLEM?
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<pontiki> very unprofessional of me
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<timgauthier> do you want me to burn down the wedding? this is how you get me to burn down the wedding
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<timgauthier> We only invited one person who we didn't want to invite, my aunt who I don't interact with. Cause mom.
<timgauthier> families, why can't we truncate them?
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<DefV> hm, I just pay for my own wedding so I invite only people I want
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<pontiki> DROP TABLE relatives;
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<timgauthier> haha
<olivier_bK> how with regex i can get all caracter after one params ?
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<timgauthier> it was more of a my mother wouldn't come if i didn't invite her sister who she doesn't get along with anyhow
<timgauthier> but the 59 other people are awesome so that'll be okay
<pontiki> a wedding never belongs to the wedding couple
<DefV> timgauthier: the words you were looking for were "Fine, don't come then"
<LadyRainicorn> olivier_bK: ?
<timgauthier> pontiki correct, the wedding is a party for the family
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<DouweM> pontiki: as you said, spend more on the honeymoon than the wedding :)
<timgauthier> DefV that was very tempting, we discussed it
<pontiki> ^
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<timgauthier> :D
<timgauthier> olivier_bK, yeah i didn't understand the question either, what does the param look like?
<olivier_bK> LadyRainicorn, i try t oget all caracter after this params ['uid'] = (the params can be change)
<timgauthier> gist ?
<pontiki> my younger daughter got married a couple years ago, and although everyone i know is fabulous, she said there were still contentious moments.
<timgauthier> oh, this question too
<timgauthier> agian*
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<DouweM> olivier_bK: I am very disturbed by your trying to parse PHP code. I can't imagine any good reason why you'd want to do that
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<timgauthier> nothing good can come from it DouweM
<timgauthier> :P
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<pontiki> maybe it's an exercise in learning to parse things with regexps
<pontiki> but i rather think their shaving yaks
<timgauthier> yeah
<pontiki> they're
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<pontiki> blah
<olivier_bK> DouweM, because i must to generate a csv from php file
<olivier_bK> i hate php
<DouweM> olivier_bK: you "must"?
<LadyRainicorn> oliver_bK: /\['(\w+?)'\] = '(.*?)'/
<olivier_bK> DouweM, yes
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<DouweM> olivier_bK: what is your input and expected output? maybe we can think of a better way
<LadyRainicorn> (note that breaks if an escaped single quote is ever used.
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<timgauthier> olivier_bK can you put a snippet of the PHP into a gist?
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<timgauthier> and why not just make a piece of PHP that outputs that param into a way that ruby can more easily grab it?
<timgauthier> instead of trying to parse raw php
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<olivier_bK> timgauthier, is difficult to explain
<timgauthier> are you converting a project from PHP to ruby?
<DouweM> yeah, a simple JSON dump would be best. Otherwise, LadyRainicorn's suggestion looks all right
<timgauthier> or is the PHP going to continue running and therefore you will be parsing the PHP on a regular basis? is this a thing that watches the PHP constantly or a script that you run at intervals?
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<mg^> yeah I'd convert the data on the PHP end to a portable format (JSON, XML, whatever) and then import it with Ruby using the appropriate library/gem on each end.
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<shevy> so much php here!
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<pontiki> so much!
<pontiki> php!
<timgauthier> pip!?
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<mg^> Well, you have to get off PHP and onto Ruby somehow :)
<fveillette> I have a weird issue... puts ::File.exist?("C:\\abcde\\abc\\abc.exe") return me false but C:\\abcde\\abc\\abc.exe exist on that location on my server...
<Veejay> No, now you can get into Hack instead
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<Veejay> It's Facebook and typed. It works with scales.
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<pontiki> fveillette: you can use forward slashes in ruby libraries on windows, might be a little easier?
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<fveillette> pontiki i tried with both / and \\ but same result
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<Veejay> fveillette: Look at the Pathname class
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<timgauthier> single quotes?
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<pontiki> well, i would suggest you've got something else wrong there -- why do you have double backslashes in the actual windows path?
<Veejay> Pathname#join especially
<Veejay> And to_path
<pontiki> paste up some actual code and proof that the file exists outside of ruby?
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<pontiki> i doubt switching to using Pathname will fix the underlying problem
<pontiki> since it just uses the File stuff in that case
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<fveillette> i see the file in front of my eye so yes the file exist :D
<pontiki> i don't
<pontiki> i don't see your code in front of my eyes either
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<fveillette> hehe
<timgauthier> and its very hard to replicate the issue without more information
<fveillette> it's in chef context but should not change the ruby logic
<fveillette> let me do for you a gist :D
<pontiki> thank you
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<timgauthier> you'd be surprised what causes issues
<timgauthier> especially on windoze
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<fveillette> <fveillette> that my code
<fveillette> <fveillette> that the output
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<agent_white> Mornin'
<Sp4rKy> [A[B/W 40
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<timgauthier> eve'n agent_white
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<d33tah> "" or "a" returns "". is there another way to say "some string variable, but if it's empty, use that instead"?
<shevy> wat
<shevy> how does "a" return ""
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<d33tah> i mean
<d33tah> y = "" or "a"
<d33tah> y == ""
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<shevy> you mean, if empty, assign to variable a?
<shevy> y = a if y.empty?
<LadyRainicorn> x=="" ? y : x
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<DefV> in Rails: y = "".presence || "a"
<d33tah> LadyRainicorn: i see. so i need to use the same expression twice. thanks.
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<shevy> ewwww
<shevy> rails
<DefV> OK
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<pontiki> is this the or-equals thing?
<pontiki> only with empty instead of falsy?
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<lagweezle> auugh!
<lagweezle> Death to 'falsy'!
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<LadyRainicorn> ?
<LadyRainicorn> why death to falsy?
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<timgauthier> wait, is there truthy and falsy? or is it just truthy and false?
<centrx> nil is falsy
<LadyRainicorn> nil
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<centrx> FalseClass and NilClass are falsy
<LadyRainicorn> Really?
<LadyRainicorn> >> !!FalseClass
<eval-in> LadyRainicorn => true (https://eval.in/137561)
<DouweM> instances of those classes, rather :P
<LadyRainicorn> lies.
<workmad3> >> FalseClass.new
<eval-in> workmad3 => undefined method `new' for FalseClass:Class (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/137562)
<workmad3> :D
<DouweM> :'(
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<lagweezle> The concept irritates me and seems lazy. (nearly?) every time I've encountered it's use, 'truthy' and 'falsey' are treated the same as true and false. We're using computers. Something is true, or it is false. Exceptions to that are 'undefined' and dealing with floating point numbers.
<DouweM> pedanticism ftw
<LadyRainicorn> Those are singleton classes.
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<LadyRainicorn> Hmm, an undefined that excepts if used as a conditional would be an interesting feature
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<mg^> You forgot FILENOTFOUND :)
<shevy> I can not bear this channel anymore without any beer
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<workmad3> lagweezle: the most common time I encounter 'truthy' and 'falsey' is when someone is essentially checking if they have something
<LadyRainicorn> How do floats come into it?
<LadyRainicorn> lol shevy
<havenwood> shevy: s/this channel/life
<LadyRainicorn> Y WE MAKE U SAD?
<shevy> havenwood this channel is my life man
<LadyRainicorn> I wish IRC had stickers like LINE
<LadyRainicorn> That would be amazing.
<LadyRainicorn> Aw shevy
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<workmad3> mg^: ah, the classic 3 values in boolean logic...
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<shevy> thanks
<lagweezle> >> 0.1 + 0.2
<eval-in> lagweezle => 0.30000000000000004 (https://eval.in/137580)
<lagweezle> LadyRainicorn: That
<shevy> that's worth a beer
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<LadyRainicorn> I don't see the relation to truthiness.
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<LadyRainicorn> Floats are weird, but always truthy.
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<mg^> Though in logic hardware there often are three line states, but the third state is due to deactivation, not because of a third possible value for a boolean.
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<LadyRainicorn> (Actually floats aren't that bad; the issue is with using them to represent decimals )
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<lagweezle> Aside from floats, or 'true if x is in a range of plus/minus y' I don't see the need for truthy/falsey.
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<workmad3> LadyRainicorn: the problem with floats is that people assume they form a consistent algebra :)
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<workmad3> lagweezle: how about 'true if file Foobar is present in the Fizzbuzz directory'? :P
<mg^> I once saw a neat visual showing what was representable in IEEE 754, wish I could find it again.
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<havenwood> >> 0.1r + 0.2r
<eval-in> havenwood => (3/10) (https://eval.in/137591)
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<workmad3> lagweezle: as by your definition of truthy/falsey in relation to float precision, that would also be a 'truthy'
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<workmad3> lagweezle: a.k.a. you just changed 'truthy' to 'any conditional' and then claimed there was no need for them other than float precision :P
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<enricostn> hi there, I have a function and I need to find the first element in an array that returns something from that function (not nil) and return that something
<enricostn> any hint?
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<centrx> >> nil && false && :everything_else
<eval-in> centrx => nil (https://eval.in/137595)
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<centrx> >> nil || false || :everything_else
<eval-in> centrx => :everything_else (https://eval.in/137596)
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<lagweezle> workmad3: You've completely lost me.
<centrx> enricostn, Array#detect or Array#find
<workmad3> lagweezle: 'Aside from floats, or 'true if x is in a range of plus/minus y' I don't see the need for truthy/falsey'
<workmad3> lagweezle: 'true if x is in a range of plus/minus y' is what we commonly call a conditional :P
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<havenwood> enricostn: [nil, nil, :omgwtfbbq, nil].compact.first #=> :omgwtfbbq
<workmad3> lagweezle: and you equated that to a truthy value
<lagweezle> workmad3: My wording was very poor.
<workmad3> lagweezle: indeed ;)
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<workmad3> lagweezle: but still... your reasoning for floats basically applies to *any* conditional statement
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<agent_white> So. I want to override Array to have next/previous methods. Good idea to open the class or just make a new, childclass?
* lagweezle ponders and tries again.
<LadyRainicorn> How would those work?
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<havenwood> agent_white: my first thought would be #to_enum
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<workmad3> lagweezle: not to mention that what you're talking about is float comparison... which would always come out as true or false, not truthy or falsey :)
<agent_white> havenwood: I was thinking about that as well. But enum doesn't have a previous method.
<agent_white> havenwood: Just make my own?
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<LadyRainicorn> Yes.
<lagweezle> workmad3: Truthy and falsey, at least to me, imply fuzziness. Things are true, or false. Undefined breaks out of that in some cases. The mention of floats was that when using them for maths, they don't quite work the way many expect them to.
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<agent_white> LadyRainicorn/havenwood: Roger that! :)
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<workmad3> lagweezle: that's a fair comment... 'truthy' meaning 'true enough' or 'accurate enough'
<lagweezle> workmad3: I'm not saying that truthy/falsey should be used with floats, but more that floats may need to be treated differently, where "true" will often need a plus/minus range if doing normal math with them then checking to see if x == y.
<workmad3> lagweezle: floats are hardly the only place that fuzziness makes sense though
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<lagweezle> Aye.
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<agent_white> So. If anyone in the Colorado area is looking for an intern/coffee-bot. Let me know! :D
<lagweezle> I'm just generally against the use of truthy/fals(e)y and think the adoption of the terms is bad.
<workmad3> lagweezle: in reality, the use of 'truthy' is really just a way of saying 'I'm going to treat this arbitrary object as either true or false in a boolean expression'
<tobiasvl> some of the problem is probably that in ruby, the boolean values are the same as the english words
<workmad3> lagweezle: with objects that get treated as equivalent (not equal) to 'true' being 'truthy' etc.
<tobiasvl> if we could say "is that value TRUE or true" then we wouldn't have to say "truthy" :P
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<tobiasvl> "1 is true, but it's not Bool::TRUE" ;P
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<workmad3> tobiasvl: 1 is equivalent to true when used in boolean expressions
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<timgauthier> tobiasvl if you don't like how ruby works... then don't use ruby! ?
<timgauthier> the fact that it isn't so precise is why it is such a nice language for newbs like me!
<workmad3> tobiasvl: as a slightly more formal way of stating that :)
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<timgauthier> and the truthy aspect of ruby is one of its defining characteristics
<shevy> my sex appeal is truthy
<timgauthier> shevy isn't sexxy
<shevy> neither is php YET YOU USED IT!!!
<tobiasvl> timgauthier: hey don't worry, I love ruby. just saying that the need for the words "truthy" and "falsey" arise from the fact that the boolean values are called "true" and "false" and we need to separate the two concepts somehow
<timgauthier> naw
<timgauthier> truthy is fun
<timgauthier> like rubyrific!
<timgauthier> it gets rid of that "PROGRAMMER" feel
<tobiasvl> yeah, i think so, but lagweezle doesn't apparently
<agent_white> Programmers, ewwwww!
<workmad3> shevy: yeah... -Float::INFINITY is still truthy ;)
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<lagweezle> How about "does it evaluate as true?" instead?
<certainty> Float::NAN
<timgauthier> :P
<LadyRainicorn> Pretty much everything works like that.
<LadyRainicorn> Even assembly has truthiness.
<timgauthier> what i like about truthy is that it states, its true, or its there
<workmad3> lagweezle: that's what 'truthy' is ;)
<agent_white> LadyRainicorn: Have you seen Rick & Morty? You may like it!
<timgauthier> it's *
<tobiasvl> LadyRainicorn: well, assembly ONLY has truthiness, not actual true/false values, doesn't it?
<workmad3> lagweezle: although I'd prefer the phrasing 'evaluates as true in a boolean expression'
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<LadyRainicorn> No, what is it?
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<LadyRainicorn> Well there are boolean flags in x86.
<timgauthier> i like truthy
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<workmad3> lagweezle: as the evaluate is specific to the that context :)
<slash_nick> So why not just double bang all the things to determine truthiness?
<lagweezle> workmad3: Given the lack of time saved, I don't see a point to having 'truthy' or 'falsey' exist. :/
<lagweezle> slash_nick: hawt!
<agent_white> LadyRainicorn: It's my second to Adventure Time at the moment. It's like Adventure Time 'cept universe-dimension tavels.
<agent_white> s/travels
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<LadyRainicorn> :o cool
<centrx> All is truey except what is falsey
<slash_nick> i'm down with an Object#truthy? Object#falsey?... i figure it'd just be sugar for !!obj
<workmad3> lagweezle: because it's really fricking annoying saying "I'm going to treat this object Foobar as true within this boolean comparison" compared to "this object Foobar is truthy"
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<tobiasvl> lol
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<workmad3> lagweezle: that's kinda the point of introducing a term for it in the first place ;)
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<LadyRainicorn> !! is actually not the arbiter of truthiness.
<LadyRainicorn> Truthiness is inherent, whereas ! isn't.
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<LadyRainicorn> I think workmad3 is mad.
* LadyRainicorn passes the peace pipe.
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<workmad3> LadyRainicorn: yes I am :)
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<slash_nick> truthiness is inherent... i wouldn't want people saying @obj is falsey but I need it to be truthy. still, a method for programmatically discovering an object's truthiness is necessary... !! is the best i've seen
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<workmad3> slash_nick: you can override !
<LadyRainicorn> But not truthiness.
<workmad3> ^^
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<workmad3> slash_nick: if you want a programmatic way, you're looking at something like 'def truthy(obj); obj ? true : false; end'
<LadyRainicorn> (In Python you can. I really wish it were possible in Ruby too.)
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<timgauthier> why the heck is this css rule being over ridden, and what is overriding it?!
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<slash_nick> workmad3, LadyRainicorn: gotchas
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<workmad3> slash_nick: and then just to make lagweezle twitch, you define the invese... 'def falsey(obj); obj ? false : true; end' and write 'obj = 'foo'; puts "I exist purely to annoy lagweezle" if falsey(obj) || truthy(obj)'
<workmad3> *inverse
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<lagweezle> EBIL! EBIL PEOPLEZ!
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<slash_nick> workmad3: def falsey(obj); !truthy(obj);end
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<LadyRainicorn> class Object; def !() [true, false].choice; end; end
<workmad3> slash_nick: no... that could be influenced by someone redefining ! on TrueClass
<centrx> All boolean logic should be done with the new methods #falsey and #truthy
<centrx> #falsey? and #truthy?
<slash_nick> workmad3: yikes
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<centrx> or #acts_like?(true) and #acts_like?(false)
<workmad3> slash_nick: see LadyRainicorn's fun snippet :D
<slash_nick> LadyRainicorn: where'd #choice come from?
<workmad3> >> [1,2].choice
<eval-in> workmad3 => undefined method `choice' for [1, 2]:Array (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/137606)
<workmad3> >> [1,2].sample
<eval-in> workmad3 => 2 (https://eval.in/137607)
<slash_nick> sample i knew... but choice
<slash_nick> anyway, understood
<workmad3> >> class Object; def !(); [true, false].sample; end; end; !true
<eval-in> workmad3 => false (https://eval.in/137608)
<workmad3> >> class Object; def !(); [true, false].sample; end; end; !true
<eval-in> workmad3 => false (https://eval.in/137609)
<workmad3> >> class Object; def @!(); [true, false].sample; end; end; !true
<eval-in> workmad3 => /tmp/execpad-4ba061546dc6/source-4ba061546dc6:2: `@!' is not allowed as an instance variable name ... (https://eval.in/137610)
<workmad3> hmm...
<workmad3> yikes...
<slash_nick> just do it once or twice more and you'll see it swap
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<LadyRainicorn> Huh, did it get removed?
<workmad3> slash_nick: just did 'def !; end' in irb, then tried !true
<LadyRainicorn> >> RUBY_VERSION
<eval-in> LadyRainicorn => "2.1.0" (https://eval.in/137612)
<workmad3> >> def !; end; !true
<eval-in> workmad3 => private method `!' called for true:TrueClass (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/137613)
<timgauthier> i come back and you guys are posting /'s and @'s and crap... what the heck!
<timgauthier> :D
<LadyRainicorn> Indeed, removed in Ruby 2.
<LadyRainicorn> Well, renamed.
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<timgauthier> what version of ruby are we on now
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<timgauthier> i thought it was like 3?
<workmad3> timgauthier: 2.1
<benzrf> 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
<timgauthier> woaah?
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<LadyRainicorn> g64
<timgauthier> i remember 1.9 coming out ages ago and moving over to that.
<timgauthier> i guess they are yearly releases still?
<timgauthier> and PHP is still only on 5 .. yeah i guess that makes sense
<timgauthier> nevermind me :D
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<olivier_bK> how i can match $config in readlines https://gist.github.com/anonymous/b99925c863cd4cdca1f6
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<shevy> timgauthier there is usually the x-mas release
<shevy> try to guess when it is released
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<shevy> olivier_bK, please
<shevy> you must read a tutorial about regexes
<shevy> if you would have done so
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<shevy> you would know that these are special characters in regex:
<shevy> . * + ? ^ $ { } [ ] ( ) \ |
<shevy> olivier_bK, write that down in a notebook now!
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<shevy> so first thing
<shevy> lines.match('$config[/\'/\uid/\'/\]')
<shevy> stop using the ''
<shevy> go and use //
<shevy> and then, escape all special characters in your regex
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<shevy> you are already using rubular, I dont understand why you don't finish!
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<atmosx> m
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<shevy> timgauthier are you designing games like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHwV7GSBcIc
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<timgauthier> i don't do games...
<timgauthier> thats awesome
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<timgauthier> is this that wolf game?
<shevy> dunno
<shevy> but I suspect the programmers forgot to remove a test animation
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<timgauthier> or the person replaced it
<shevy> hahaha
<timgauthier> because the character isn't responding either
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<shevy> or perhaps it is a genius idea to make the game more hilarious :-)
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<timgauthier> awesome art style
<shevy> well perhaps he was supposed to just lie down somewhere, aching in pain
<shevy> instead he decides to do a floating pole dance dance
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<timgauthier> yeah
<timgauthier> no i think he's supposed to be leaning on the desk
<timgauthier> and then active listening animation is supposed to play
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<shevy> lol
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<xybre> Is there a Unicorn webserver specific channel?
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<centrx> xybre, Did you try #unicorn
<centrx> So, hash[x][y] vs hash[[x,y]]
<timgauthier> i'd be afraid to jointhat
<timgauthier> probably full of weird bronies
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<timgauthier> imma go eat
<xybre> #unicorn has 8 people in it according to channels stats, so I didn't bother.
<centrx> Yeah they don't even have a topic
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<LadyRainicorn> Unicorns are fun!
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<shevy> hehe
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<benzrf> timgauthier: why do u fear the pony
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<benzrf> my little pony, my little pony
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<benzrf> aah-aah-aah-aaaaah....
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<shevy> omg
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<shevy> benzrf was raised as a girl
<LadyRainicorn> :o
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<benzrf> shevy: holy shit way to enforce the gender binaryhat
<benzrf> *binary
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<havenwood> agent_white: any luck with the #pred situation, curious what you came up with if you've given it a stab?
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<agent_white> havenwood: Ah not quite yet! Actually diving into it now, and trying to see if I really need it :P
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<agent_white> havenwood: I'm writing an IRC client in Ncurses, and was looking at it for scrolling since when I bump up/down the window, I need to add the next or previous line in the buffer.
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<agent_white> Not sure if turning the whole array to an enum each time is the most efficient?
<havenwood> agent_white: here's a freedom patch just cause we can :P https://gist.github.com/havenwood/10914614
<LadyRainicorn> Is there a binaryhat?
* LadyRainicorn wants one!
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<havenwood> agent_white: would be easy to make it a refinement, but yeah i'm not sure about it
<agent_white> havenwood: Ah! Badass! Thank you :DD
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<agent_white> havenwood: Man after seeing that code... I really need to remember to handle failure in my methods.
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<Psy-Q> i can't seem to build ruby 2.1.1 (readline.c:1977:26: error: ‘Function’ undeclared (first use in this function))
<Psy-Q> this is through rbenv, but i could try with a plain ruby tarball as well
<arubincloud> Psy-Q: How are you attempting to build it?
<Psy-Q> should i try the vanilla tarball?
<arubincloud> So ruby-install?
<Psy-Q> yeah, ruby-build inside of rbenv
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<arubincloud> Ah, ruby-build.
<havenwood> ruby-build != ruby-install
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<arubincloud> I can never remember which is which.
<Psy-Q> this is on debian unstable, it could be the readline debian has right now
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<Psy-Q> i'll try the vanilla tarball now
<Psy-Q> just to make sure
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<havenwood> Psy-Q: You might try ruby-install: ruby-install --rubies-dir ~/.rbenv/versions ruby
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<havenwood> Psy-Q: Works well with rbenv and smarter than ruby-build.
<Psy-Q> i'll give that a try, thanks! if the vanilla tarball works, it should probably work through ruby-install (?)
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<Psy-Q> ah. vanilla won't compile either
<Psy-Q> same error. it's probably debian's readline that's too new or broken
<havenwood> Psy-Q: See if ruby-install can't just fetch dependencies for ya.
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<Psy-Q> i think i have the dependencies, but it doesn't like that readline
<timgauthier> and pizza in the oven.
<timgauthier> what is readline?
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<Psy-Q> some while ago at least 2.1.0 compiled fine on the same machine, but i've upgraded a bunch of times since
<Hanmac> Psy-Q are you shure its to new? maybe your readline is to old?
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<Psy-Q> it's readline 6.3, debian stable still ships with 5.2
<Hanmac> Psy-Q: try to run this "apt-get build-dep ruby2.0"
<Psy-Q> and i've compiled 2.1.1 against readline 5.2 before, that seems to work
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<Psy-Q> Hanmac: okay, will install those deps and make clean/make on a vanilla ruby
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<Hanmac> readline-6.3 should be supported from the changelog ... it could be that the headers are missing
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<Psy-Q> i have libreadline-dev:amd64 installed, that should be the headers it needs, right?
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<Hanmac> hm it should
<Psy-Q> Hanmac: same error after installing those deps
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<Psy-Q> this is with debian-unstable from today (upgraded 30 minutes ago). maybe it's a debian problem
<shevy> debian is usually a problem
<AlexRussia> shevy: shevy!
<noober03> does anyone know how to add a route with dashes in the name?
<Psy-Q> debian is fine :P but unstable means unstable sometimes
<shevy> the fact that people have to uncripple their system by having to search for arbitrary names of packages is testimony to what is all wrong on debian
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<Psy-Q> shevy: i know i'm not on a stable distribution, that's why it's called unstable
<Psy-Q> none of these issues on wheezy
<Hanmac> Psy-Q: hm maybe it was a fixed ruby problem? did you try ruby-trunk?
<shevy> you don't even know the name of the package
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<Psy-Q> Hanmac: ah! will try
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<Psy-Q> shevy: which package? libreadline-dev has the headers, it does use them properly, but something else is going wrong
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<AlexRussia> shevy: you should try #subtle :)
<shevy> Psy-Q I would not know what package splitup they did, it was you who asked what was the right package :-)
<Psy-Q> shevy: i just wanted to confirm :)
<Psy-Q> it's usually headers in -dev, binaries in the main package
<Psy-Q> but it seems the headers aren't the problem
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<shevy> what is the new error
<cornfeedhobo> hello, i am very new to ruby and am trying to solve small tasks to learn...
<shevy> cornfeedhobo good!
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<cornfeedhobo> what would you guys suggest i use to round up to the nearest GB for a unit
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<Senjai> cornfeedhobo: Well seeing as though a unit could be anything
<Psy-Q> trying nightly snapshot now
<cornfeedhobo> i thought about converting to MB and dividing, but the logic there gets long for something that seems simple
<Senjai> cornfeedhobo: Converting what to mb
<cornfeedhobo> Senjai: sorry, for example, if i want to use 75% of installed RAM
<shevy> cornfeedhobo other people should have solved that before you
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<cornfeedhobo> 16GB gives a real world value of 15.55, which 75% of is 11.xxx GB
<cornfeedhobo> it would seem rational to round up to the nearest whole value
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<cornfeedhobo> lol. nvm
<Psy-Q> yes, the problem is fixed in trunk, 2.2.0-rwhatever compiles fine
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<cornfeedhobo> typing it out... i can just treat is a float
<cornfeedhobo> :facepalm:
<Psy-Q> so it's probably something that changed in newer readline, i guess
<Senjai> cornfeedhobo: Use BigDecimal
<cornfeedhobo> kk
<cornfeedhobo> thanks
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<Psy-Q> i'll install 2.2.0 trunk for now
<Psy-Q> err. trunk, which might become 2.2.0
<Senjai> Psy-Q: You mean master right?
<Psy-Q> Senjai: it seems ruby development is on svn (?)
<Psy-Q> i usually just rbenv install whatever :D
<Senjai> Orly?
<Senjai> news to me
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<Senjai> I guess it is
<cornfeedhobo> shevy: thanks, yeah some times the obv eludes me =P
<Senjai> those poor people
<Psy-Q> https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/ruby-core/ <-- this seems to say that
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<shevy> cornfeedhobo it's quite common, people often have to display bytes in a human readable manner
<Psy-Q> yeah, well. git would probably make life easier for them, but it seems to work okayish for now on svn
<shevy> there is also a git mirror
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<shevy> and stuff like mruby is on github
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<bradhe> Is there an array method that deletes/removes elements that match a regex, and returns the elements it deleted?
<atmosx> ithub
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<bradhe> delete_if reject/delete_if remove the elemenst but returns the remainder.
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<shevy> bradhe hmm you mean something like pop?
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<bradhe> shevy: Yeah, but for elements that match a regex.
<bradhe> So perhaps takes a block
<shevy> what about .select ?
<bradhe> I think .partition does what I want actually
<bradhe> good, bad = arr.partition { |elem| elem =~ /my-regex/ }
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<havenwood> TIL, my nick in swedish is tillflyktsortskog
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<Senjai> havenwood: ORLY
<shevy> havenwood I thought it was knaeckebrot
<stephenmac7> I'm having an issue
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<shevy> oh... I mean knäckebröd
<shevy> swedish is weird
<stephenmac7> I'm trying to use an if statement: if @ship_date_changed?
<tobiasvl> havenwood: well it's just tillflyktskog
<stephenmac7> But ruby -c is saying unexpected keyword_end
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<havenwood> shevy: lol
<bradhe> can ivars have a ?
<tobiasvl> stephenmac7: gist it
<tobiasvl> no
<shevy> bradhe people often ask for that
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<shevy> also local vars that have last char a ?
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<bradhe> meh
<stephenmac7> Oh, vars cannot have a ? at the end?
<shevy> yeah
<shevy> but the workaround is simply
<stephenmac7> tobiasvl: Nevermind then
<shevy> if ship_date_changed?
<shevy> #
<shevy> def ship_date_changed?; @ship_date_changed; end
<shevy> it can all fit on one line!
<stephenmac7> I'll just drop the ?
<shevy> :(
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<Oog> i swear this worked before..... i blame heartbleed
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<stephenmac7> What's the difference between putting a default in initialize instead of in the class itself?
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<stephenmac7> def initialize; @x = 5; end or class Object5; x = 5; end
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<shevy> stephenmac7 first off look at your line ^^^
<Hanmac> stephenmac7: because second does not do what you think it does
<shevy> then tell me if @x is the same as x
<stephenmac7> Sorry, @x (typo)
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<shevy> stephenmac7 scope to self is different
<tobiasvl> here's a hint stephenmac7: classes are objects in ruby
<stephenmac7> On the second, that should be @x, not x
<Hanmac> stephenmac7: class Object5; @x = 5; end & def initialize; @x = 5; end are still different
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<tobiasvl> in ruby, classes are just objects of the class Class
<stephenmac7> Hanmac: What is different about them?
<tobiasvl> so in the latter you'd make an instance variable for the Class instance
<shevy> :)
<stephenmac7> Oh, I see.
<shevy> which rarely is what you want
<tobiasvl> ie. a class instance variable (a kind of "static variable" if you're a java person)
<stephenmac7> I thought that was @@x
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<atmosx> Snow in Florida?!
<tobiasvl> shevy: well, it's more often what you want than @@x
<atmosx> wtf
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<tobiasvl> hehe yeah exactly ^^
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<tobiasvl> stephenmac7: @@vars aren't much used anymore because they're... shall we say... confusing like hell
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<shevy> @@foo should be removed
<Hanmac> stephenmac7: class variables (@@) are different than class instance variables (class @)
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<Oog> wait its something rails is doing...
<shevy> stephenmac7 please forget that @@x exists
<stephenmac7> So, is there a way to set @x from outside a method?
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* Hanmac whispers you can even store something inside the instance variables of singleton classes (of singleton classes ... )
<stephenmac7> So, it's like Python
<shevy> stephenmac7 if you have setup your class to do so, yeah
<shevy> also there is instance_variable_set()
<tobiasvl> stephenmac7: why do you want to set it from outside the method? what's the use case here
<shevy> but the more important question is why you want to suddenly set a @x directly
<tobiasvl> there are always ways
<tobiasvl> but I don't see why
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<tobiasvl> yeah what shevy said
<stephenmac7> tobiasvl: Honestly, I just want to know if it's possible
<shevy> people love to explore
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<stephenmac7> But, actually it's that ship_date_changed thing... I just want it to be false to start off
<shevy> >> object = Object.new; object.instance_variable_set(:@a, 'dog'); p object
<eval-in> shevy => #<Object:0x4139240c @a="dog"> ... (https://eval.in/137644)
<stephenmac7> Could, ofc, use an accessor
<shevy> stephenmac7 there ^^^
<tobiasvl> stephenmac7: that's a good attitude, and yes, it's possible (but hacky and rarely necessary - if you have an instance it will have called initialize())
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<shevy> stephenmac7 yeah set it in initialize(), or call a method from initialize. I like to call a method called reset()
<tobiasvl> stephenmac7: using an accessor isn't REALLY doing it outside of a method though
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<stephenmac7> True.
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<tobiasvl> stephenmac7: an accessor is just shorthand for def x=(value); @x = value; end
<tobiasvl> so
<Hanmac> shevy why not?
<Hanmac> >> object = Object.new; object.singleton_class.instance_variable_set(:@a, 'dog'); p object.singleton_class.instance_variables
<eval-in> Hanmac => [:@a] ... (https://eval.in/137646)
<stephenmac7> Do methods in a class use the accessor?
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<stephenmac7> Hanmac: That does seem to work.
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<shevy> Hanmac because your code is super complicated
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<Hanmac> shevy in ruby even the "super" keyword is complicated ;P
<shevy> stephenmac7 an attr_accessr is the same as if you would define these methods manually
<shevy> *accessor
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<stephenmac7> Right, but if I do that, would it use the method when inside the class?
<stephenmac7> So @with_accessor = 5 would be the same as self.with_accessor = 5
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<shevy> if you have a method defined like that then yes
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<shevy> but I am curious why you use self. there
<shevy> as said above, attr_reader :foo is 100% the same as if you would do this manually in your class: def foo; @foo; end
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<shevy> attr_writer :foo is the same as def foo=(i); @foo = i; end
<rrios> So, this page teaches how to make a stable sort method for an Array using sort_by, but does anyone know how to do a stable sort_by?
<shevy> and attr_accessor simply combines the two above
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<tobiasvl> not so sure about that shevy
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<tobiasvl> he needs the self there
<tobiasvl> >> class Hello; def x=(value); @x = value; puts "hello"; end; def test; @x = 1; end; end; Hello.new.test
<eval-in> tobiasvl => 1 (https://eval.in/137647)
<tobiasvl> class Hello; def x=(value); @x = value; puts "hello"; end; def test; self.x = 1; end; end; Hello.new.test
<tobiasvl> >> class Hello; def x=(value); @x = value; puts "hello"; end; def test; self.x = 1; end; end; Hello.new.test
<eval-in> tobiasvl => hello ... (https://eval.in/137648)
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<shevy> we need more action
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<lagweezle> I can complaign about truthy/falsey again...
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<shevy> ok
<shevy> lagweezle let it out man
<shevy> don't let the anger add up
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<lagweezle> hehehe
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<RubyPanther> def truthy? ; true? or almost? and horseshoes? end
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<sdelmore> Anyone know the method I need to make to have my ruby classes awesome_printable? I just started using awesome print and love it, but my own classes I create don't have the nice formatting that built in objects have.
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<Hanmac> hm seems that your classes are not "youthful" enough ;P
<crome> only awesome classes can be awesome printed
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<sdelmore> Still learning my way around ruby documentation. It is really nice when debugging to just do "ap my_object" and see a nicely formatted output but I haven't figured out how to make it work with my own objects.
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<Hanmac> hm there might be some kind of trick behind ... maybe you need to have "object.awesome?" return true? </sarcasm>
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<sdelmore> Are there other more popular pretty printers, or is this just not done much in ruby land?
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<baweaver> pry, show-doc Array#length
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<baweaver> pry is your friend
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<baweaver> learn it, live it, love it.
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<jhass> sdelmore: what do you get, what do you expect?
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<sdelmore> Let me create a gist of what I get with my objects, vs system objects…
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<shevy> multimedia - tell me what you need in a multimedia project
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<sdelmore> An example of using awesome print to pretty print my objects vs other objects. https://gist.github.com/ShaneDelmore/98fddd7ed605b55a9111
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<shevy> timgauthier tell me what you expect a ruby project capable of doing that wants to do multimedia related stuff
<shevy> awesome print has this colour overflow
<timgauthier> hmm
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<timgauthier> whats the question?
<shevy> I sticked to pretty print
<shevy> timgauthier that was the question! it is purposely broad as a category
<timgauthier> but i don't know what you are asking
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<shevy> timgauthier k what do you expect from any ruby project that wants to deal with multimedia information?
<timgauthier> ah
<shevy> shoot out features
* shevy waits...
<timgauthier> what would the ruby thing do?
<shevy> precisely, that's the question! hahaha :D
<shevy> oh man...
<jhass> sdelmore: that's just the AR special casing in awesome_print
<timgauthier> you need EXIF data for anything images
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<shevy> ok
<timgauthier> but like
<timgauthier> you gotta work backwards
<sdelmore> jhass: Yeah, I was hoping there was a hook to add my own special casing so I could make my classes pretty print.
<jhass> sdelmore: since AR has an internal attributes hash and uses method_missing to delegate to that, it makes sense. It's not something you'd do in your POROs
<timgauthier> what would the project is a web based tool for managing multimedia?
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<jhass> sdelmore: well, just figure out what method it calls on the object
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<sdelmore> Exactly, been looking through that code for the past half an hour, don't quite get what it is doing.
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<jhass> where are you stuck?
<sdelmore> Seems like it might be calling the ai method on a class, but I can't tell what it expects the output to be. Not having types is still hard for me.
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<sdelmore> I think the answer may be in here https://github.com/michaeldv/awesome_print/blob/master/lib/awesome_print/formatter.rb but don't see it.
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<jhass> well, it just puts the result, so a string or something that responds to #to_s properly
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<sdelmore> Oh geez, I didn't realize that is all I needed to do.
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<Eiam> if we moved our dev env to run via Nginx instead of via Padrino c /rails c, is there some way i can pass through a binding.pry to launch a debug console now?
<Eiam> pry-remote maybe?
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<webgen> just posting over here if there are anymore noobs, there is a course on edx.org starting 18th of april (2days). it is a berkley course and my hopes are high, register if u are interested!
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<shevy> timgauthier no real limitation really, it always starts from commandline first though, but then should not be limited, whether it is GUI or web-based
<webgen> Engineering Software as a Service this is the name of the course, uses RoR
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<timgauthier> there needs to be limits ;)
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<timgauthier> you got to start with a product idea before you make a product ;)
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<sdelmore> jhass, I just defined a to_s method on my object, returning "stuff goes here" for a simple test, but it doesn't output that. Can you tell how I identify what method I would need to define?
<timgauthier> I have a thing I want to make, but i don't know how to make it yet. Its like github for recipes
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<sdelmore> perfect.
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<jhass> sdelmore: puts calls to_s, so #ai which #ap calls should return something that responds to that
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<sdelmore> Thanks for pointing out the line, that helps me understand what is happening.
<shevy> timgauthier I like the chaotic model, I grow and grow until I have everything covered
<timgauthier> haha
<timgauthier> i think you probably have a decent idea in your head
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<shevy> well only for larger projects
<shevy> for small projects, single classes, I completely agree with you timgauthier
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<sweeper> man I want a framework that forces you to SOA by default
<timgauthier> soa?
<sweeper> service oriented architecture
<shevy> sweeper start one!
<shevy> make it useful
<shevy> once it his a certain threshold, people will start using it
<shevy> just as timgauthier went into the available static html generators
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<shevy> and now has found his beloved ... uhm... erb
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<shevy> his/hits
<timgauthier> lol
<shevy> and ... haml?
<shevy> I am no longer up to date what all you combine
<timgauthier> no haml just erb and html
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<timgauthier> it is tough being an old man shevy
<crome> "forces you to soa"
<crome> what does that mean
<sweeper> yea that's the thing :D
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<sweeper> when designing such an architecture, the problem domain is very much a factor
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<shevy> timgauthier I could have sworn you also used something else above
<crome> shevy: drugs probably
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<shevy> lol
<shevy> yeah, lsds
<timgauthier> sass/css html, erb
<shevy> sass!
<shevy> that was it
<shevy> sasserb
<sweeper> but I get the feeling that monolithic, relational apps would be much easier to break apart if it wasn't so easy to "relate all the things"
<timgauthier> sass is just synstastically awesome style sheets
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<gizmore> ,railsc I18n.t :hello_world
<ricer> gizmore: "translation missing: en.hello_world"
<gizmore> ,railsc "aaaaa"*2
<ricer> gizmore: "aaaaaaaaaa"
<gizmore> ,part #ruby
<ricer> gizmore: Ruby Exception: "undefined method `has_permission_in?' for #<Ricer::Plugin::Channel::Partu:0x00000004fe06d8>" in app/models/ricer/plugin/channel/partu.rb:16:in `part'.
<crome> hahaha
<gizmore> rails irc bot
<gizmore> ,perf
<ricer> gizmore: Memory: 140 MB (140 MB max). DB: 2994 queries in 3690.721331132 (0.81 queries per second). Threads: 17 (29 max). PID: 21860. CPU usage: 0.60%
<gizmore> ,raw PART #ruby :gizmore is gay
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<timgauthier> so what are you building shevy
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<agent_white> Lawd I hate regex. Finding shit by splitting the string then throwing the array to a lambda seems so much easier.
<timgauthier> hahaha
<timgauthier> actually it does :O
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<shevy> timgauthier well... I just decided that I will merge two projects of mine into a larger one
<timgauthier> sweet, what are they?
<shevy> 'multimedia' and 'videotools'
<timgauthier> what does multimedia do?
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<shevy> I'll also have to add a test suite from scratch :(
<shevy> timgauthier initially it just wanted to be a wrapper over all sorts of conversions, from .flv to .avi and so forth and so on, trying to use "smart defaults" without me having to think about it on the commandline
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<timgauthier> ah neat
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<shevy> omg
<shevy> timgauthier you mentioned node.js right?
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<timgauthier> yeah
<timgauthier> i hear its terrible :P
<shevy> timgauthier what do you say to this: http://www.lescentslignes.com/makefiles-in-node.html
<timgauthier> its all fancy type and nice flowery language, then you get to the first sample thing under going incremental and its ugly
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<shevy> lol
<shevy> dont worry
<shevy> when they have added Makefiles it will all get better
<timgauthier> when a language has a feature called uglify y'know
<timgauthier> i'm not really sure WHAT they're showing, or even what a makefile is after reading that
<timgauthier> i'm more interested in, how did they change the colour of those scrollbars
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<shevy> wat
<shevy> hehehe
<shevy> damn designers
<shevy> they look for the colours and UI rather than the features first
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<bricker> shevy: one of my designers couldn't handle that someone's name was too long to fit into his design
<shevy> lol
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<shevy> who was the guy here who played with method_missing lately?
<timgauthier> not all designers do shevy
<shevy> here is another cool snippet:
<shevy> def method_missing(m)
<shevy> DELEGATE_TO_CONFIG.include?(m.to_sym) ? config.send(m) : super
<shevy>
<timgauthier> though I do look at colours and typography first, as i find they are a skeleton
<timgauthier> but i always start with a page full of content, and a designer that doesn't want to deal with a users name being too long isn't a designer
<timgauthier> designers are supposed to solve problems, yes it sucks that the field you created is limited in length and you may have to deal with content that is too long for it. One of the golden rules of design is that you need to throw out your favourite element, it usually is the shittiest and the thing holding the design back
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<hackman127> I have a sinatra server process that is restarting itself on a regular basis without giving me any trace in the logs. Any idea how I can get some error output to try to debug?
<bricker> hackman127: "restarting itself"?
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<bricker> hackman127: Does Sinatra have a built-in process manager?
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<bricker> hackman127: what server are you actually using? Sinatra is a ruby framework, not a server
<timgauthier> a tweet of mine from ages ago just got retweeted twice :(
<hackman127> bricker, clients are complaining about getting kicked out of the app, so I put some log messages that will tell me when the process starts and they are showing up quite regularly.
<timgauthier> and some weirdo spamming me on query
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<bricker> hackman127: well if you're using Passenger or another multi-threaded or multi-process server (which you should be in production), that is expected
<bricker> hackman127: how are you running your Sinatra app?
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<hackman127> bricker, I'll have to look. Honestly, it's a legacy app that I haven't paid much attention to in longer than I'd care to admit. :-)
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<hackman127> bricker, yes, it is using passenger. It makes sense to see multiple startups if it's threading, just not sure about clients getting the boot while going about their business on the app.
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<bricker> hackman127: what do you mean getting kicked off? Like, they're logged out of their session?
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<hackman127> bricker, exactly. They will be doing their work and next thing they know they are staring at the login screen like they have logged out. They are not hitting session timeouts, it's like the process has just restarted with empty sessions.
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<bricker> hackman127: where are the sessions being stored?
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<hackman127> bricker, not sure. Looking
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<timgauthier> ohm time to go Skype the fiancée
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<hackman127> bricker, I think I may be getting a bit above my pay grade. I'm going to have to do more research. Thanks for the help.
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<olivier_bK> hy
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<bricker> hackman127: :)
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<olivier_bK> i have a probleme that i cant resolved
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<hackman127> bricker: After some of your hints my googling has turned this up, which seems to explain exactly what's going on: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4983511/rack-session-resets-expires
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<olivier_bK> i try to how explain
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<bricker> hackman127: yep, if you're storing sessions in memory, that would explain your problem exactly
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<hackman127> bricker, makes perfect sense. Thanks!
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<olivier_bK> bricker, do you have an idea how i can resolved my probleme
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<olivier_bK> ohh sorry Briareos1_
<olivier_bK> ohh sorry bricker
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<shevy> lol
<shevy> clear thoughts lead to clear actions
<shevy> unclear thoughts lead to olivier_bK
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<olivier_bK> :(
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<olivier_bK> shevy, maybe you can give me a good advise
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<olivier_bK> all the time in my loop te variable take the index 2 and i dont understand why ??
<shevy> you and your english
<shevy> and where is your code?
<divi_> >> 1+1
<eval-in> divi_ => 2 (https://eval.in/137670)
<olivier_bK> sorry if i make some mistake or error in my english
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<shevy> well
<olivier_bK> i m french :(
<shevy> what do you do with this? url = line.match(/(?=url)(.*)/)
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<shevy> olivier_bK Mon_Ouie is also french but he is able to formulate sentences that other people can understand ;)
<olivier_bK> i understand
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<shevy> is that what you want?
<shevy> you store MatchData Objects here, I assume
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<olivier_bK> i want to store the object in the hash
<shevy> how many entries are in the variable array
<olivier_bK> but he override all the time
<olivier_bK> a lot of
<shevy> no
<shevy> you must give an answer n
<shevy> like 5, or 10
<shevy> tell me
<olivier_bK> approximately 150
<shevy> ok so your hash will have integer keys from 1 up to 150
<olivier_bK> okai
<shevy> and each stored value will be a matchdata object
<shevy> now where is the bug?
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<olivier_bK> when i execute the script i get that
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<olivier_bK> all the time he override the index 2
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<shevy> well
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<shevy> you dont provide simple example data + code to reproduce
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<shevy> and why don't you debug by printing out the results?
<shevy> p array
<shevy> p line
<shevy> etc...
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<atmosx> yaml is part of core in ruby-2.1?
<atmosx> I don't have to require in gemfiles?
<atmosx> for fems?
<olivier_bK> it s what i do
<atmosx> gems
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<olivier_bK> did you try to your ruby script require 'rubygems'
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<shevy> yaml is part of ruby
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<shevy> require 'rubygems' is no longer required past version 1.9.x and higher
<olivier_bK> maybe he use 1.8
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<olivier_bK> the script with file exemple https://gist.github.com/anonymous/23b533e8213dd072f2ed
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<olivier_bK> kanaki, could you stop to send me that please
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<shevy> kanaki is a bot
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<olivier_bK> i see just after writing
<olivier_bK> :(
<olivier_bK> i understand why he override all the times
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<shevy> olivier_bK this is not how others can reproduce man
<olivier_bK> because he read a new file each time
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<shevy> and you don't use any methods
<shevy> your code is spaghetti
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<shevy> also
<shevy> rl = line.match(/(?=url)(.*)/)
<shevy> how do you check that the line does not contain url?
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<shevy> go add: if line.include? 'url'
<olivier_bK> okai
<shevy> it is impossible to work with such a code, you are not making clear decisions in the code
<shevy> best would be to write small classes
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<atmosx> Is there any way I can 'create' this file using ruby? https://gist.github.com/atmosx/10936292 adding some variables where needed?
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<atmosx> kanaki: stop spamming
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<olivier_bK> atmosx, kanaki is a bot
<atmosx> cool
<olivier_bK> not cool
<olivier_bK> lol..
<shevy> lol
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<olivier_bK> atmosx, it's possible you for example replace Run.. <key>RunAtLoad</key> by you variable <key> <% @my_var %></key>
<atmosx> olivier_bK: I know it's possible, I don't know how
<atmosx> I need an exampl eor a doc
<atmosx> but I think I'll pos tin the ML and go to bed
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<atmosx> and continue tomorrow
<olivier_bK> becarful what i write it's rails variable
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<atmosx> olivier_bK: I know, it's erb
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<zorak> ok, Ended the koans
<zorak> now, i need some rails tutorials
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<zorak> some recomendation?
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<wallerdev> might have better luck asking about that in #rubyonrails
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<zorak> #rubyonrails :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
<bricker> zorak: register your nick then login
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<platzhirsch> ooo
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<zorak> how can i register my user?
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<platzhirsch> zorak: what?
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<zorak> platzhirsch: i want enter to #rubyonrails, but i need a registred user
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<platzhirsch> zorak: yeah, sec
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<zorak> thanks platzhirsch
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<shevy> platzhirsch are you finally in london now
<platzhirsch> shevy: It's not May yet
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<platzhirsch> still sitting in my apartment, no boxes packed
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<timgauthier> platzhirsch where are you moving from?
<timgauthier> shevy where am i going next
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<platzhirsch> timgauthier: Berlin
<timgauthier> and seriously why does "kanaki" keep sending me queries... how can is top it!
<timgauthier> sweet, i'm right outside Zwichau
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<timgauthier> i stop* not top, i already muted them
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<shevy> timgauthier dunno, perhaps australia or new zealand eventually
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<timgauthier> haha wow really?
<timgauthier> why do you suggest those?
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<shevy> well moving like just a little bit in europe doesn't make much sense!
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<shevy> in africa, there isn't so much save perhaps for a few mega cities like nairobi
<shevy> russia is too cold
<shevy> china only for those who speak mandarin
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<shevy> oh
<shevy> I forgot japan
<shevy> so perhaps japan
<timgauthier> why not america?
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<timgauthier> or south america
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<shevy> at least you would have good weather in nairobi http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Nairobi_Montage.jpg
<shevy> what is in south america
<shevy> save for brazil
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<timgauthier> also a good chance of malaria and death by terrorism but yes :P
<timgauthier> my sister says its very nice, she has been several times
<timgauthier> peru is neat
<weirdpercent> I have this method, http://gist.github.com/weirdpercent/10940927, and when I get a 500 Error the script aborts. I've tried rescue like suggested here: http://safe.mn/tRSh but the script still aborts
<timgauthier> i'd love to see Chile
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<timgauthier> but yes shevy its funny you say NZ or AU, since the Fiancée and I would like to go there for a short time
<platzhirsch> I'd love to see the sun hit the ocean, because art is a baaaang, booom
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<timgauthier> what?
<platzhirsch> yeah, damn right
<timgauthier> lol
<shevy> weirdpercent I have no idea about this gem MultiJson
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<timgauthier> i've seen the sun turn green as it disappears over the water, its neat.
<timgauthier> also what is a 500 error again?
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<weirdpercent> Internal Server Error
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<timgauthier> well that'd be hard to rescue no?
<timgauthier> i mean the thing that does the rescue is itself failing?
<weirdpercent> shevy: any json gem can be substituted, JSON.parse is same
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<weirdpercent> http://safe.mn/tRSh that begin,rescue,end doesn't seem to do anything
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<platzhirsch> see you
<platzhirsch> coucou
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<timgauthier> coucou?
<timgauthier> i think Platz was doing drugs
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<timgauthier> probably some lines of PHP
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<shevy> lol
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<timgauthier> :P
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<olivier_bK> lol
<timgauthier> hey olivier_bK, how are the Netherlands ?
<olivier_bK> timgauthier, do you take some drugs ??
<olivier_bK> i m french
<olivier_bK> je suis francais
<olivier_bK> lol..
<timgauthier> I probably should take some
<timgauthier> but y'know whateves
<timgauthier> I thought your IRC info said NL
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<timgauthier> isn't it français ?
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<olivier_bK> no
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<timgauthier> ok
<shevy> hehe
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<shevy> timgauthier now I am writing all test cases for multimedia formats + conversions
<shevy> that is so tedious
<timgauthier> yes
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<timgauthier> i can imagine it being a chore :S
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<timgauthier> there isn't an automated way to do that?
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<shevy> not sure
<shevy> in ruby? which gem?
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<zorak8> how can i update my ruby from 1,9 to 2?? (linux mint, devian)
<Hytosys> zorak8: try rvm https://rvm.io/
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<shevy> zorak8 come on man
<shevy> wget ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/2.1/ruby-2.1.1.tar.bz2
<asdkfjk> eh, ruby is usually used for making web applications only?
<havenwood> zorak8: sudo apt-get install ruby2.0 ruby2.0-dev -y
<asdkfjk> Or people also develope products in this language that are not web based?
<havenwood> zorak8: then update-alternatives --config ruby
<zorak8> sheepman: im downloading this package
<shevy> asdkfjk that depends on your use case. ruby is in good perl tradition
<zorak8> but maybe there are a better/easy way
<asdkfjk> shevy: so after learning some framework like rubyonrails there are chances that I'd be able to write softwares as well?
<shevy> asdkfjk ruby is a general purpose language
<shevy> you can not write software in rubyonrails?
<zorak8> havenwood: i dint have ruby2.0 in my repos :-/
<shevy> ruby python perl and php are very similar
<havenwood> zorak8: is there a newer mint you can get?
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<zorak8> need to reinstall al the system and i dont want to do it
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<havenwood> zorak8: a server or dev box? need more than one Ruby?
<havenwood> zorak8: you could ruby-install to /usr/local
<asdkfjk> shevy: oh that means I can write GUI stuff, thanks
<shevy> asdkfjk sure. ruby-gnome bindings are available for example
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<asdkfjk> shevy: can you please give me examples of some software that are developed in ruby?
<shevy> asdkfjk well rubygems.org
<shevy> I really dont want to give examples but I will show you my local gems
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<asdkfjk> shevy: I don't understand much of that but, yeah will soon, thanks
<shevy> I wouldn't be able to tell you what you want either
<shevy> there are many thousand examples out there
<asdkfjk> right
<olivier_bK> asdkfjk, for example puppet
<zorak8> github
<zorak8> twitter ircc
<asdkfjk> wow, github
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* DreamingRainne uses Ruby a lot for various things, but never web development so far. You can do almost anything with it that you can do with any other language.
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<DreamingRainne> I've written IRC bots (from scratch!), relatively simple GUI programs of various types, and so on. Just off the top of my head. Local scripts to run.