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<dorei> >> require 'date'; Date.today -6
<eval-in> dorei => #<Date: 2014-04-14 ((2456762j,0s,0n),+0s,2299161j)> (https://eval.in/136113)
<dorei> >> require 'date'; Date.today - 6
<eval-in> dorei => #<Date: 2014-04-08 ((2456756j,0s,0n),+0s,2299161j)> (https://eval.in/136114)
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<dorei> any idea why the first one is different than the second one ?
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<InfraRuby> dorei: -6 is an argument
<InfraRuby> Date.today(-6)
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<dorei> i see
<dorei> although it's an argument that has no effect as far as I can tell
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<InfraRuby> dorei: would you like a refund?
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<dorei> that'd be great xD
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<morenoh149> /join #git
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<_lazarevsky_> anybody here??
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<_lazarevsky_> so I define an instance variable called @temp
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<_lazarevsky_> then i one method I am trying to set the value of @temp
<_lazarevsky_> and in the other one i am trying to retrieve it
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<_lazarevsky_> the value defaults to ""
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<_lazarevsky_> but when I inspect in the console
<_lazarevsky_> it's value is nil
<svan> so which is better supported/more common: bindata or cstruct?
<_lazarevsky_> a.k.a not defined
<grieg> hi! what am i doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/VAPSXGFW
<_lazarevsky_> i am in the context of an ApiController
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<shevy> grieg this code is awful
<shevy> grieg you assume to have a number, I assume, but you have a boolean, true
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<shevy> grieg do p x before that line to show the content of your variable
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<shevy> grieg afterwards try it with only one comparison
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<grieg> shevy, p x output is ["1", "2", "3"]. one comparison works
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<shevy> ok that is good
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<shevy> now you know that your array is fine
<shevy> and that one comparison fails
<shevy> I would recommend to perhaps use one ()
<shevy> hmm
<grieg> tried//
<shevy> i think that would yield true
<shevy> then true would be compared with the third
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<shevy> what if you move the third comparison to the next line?
<shevy> and compare the second position again with the third position in that new line
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<grieg> oh i see now. third number is compared with TRUE here indeed. the second line will work, but is there no way to make it in a single line?
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<grieg> if (x[0].to_i <= x[1].to_i) && ( x[1].to_i<= x[2].to_i) made it :)
<grieg> thank you man. may i pm u?
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<grieg> wondering why that code is awful
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<shevy> no please write here
<shevy> PM means I have to select every time I switch focus
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<shevy> with the mouse
<grieg> sure. np. why was tha ruby code awful?
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<grieg> *that
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<shevy> it looks very atypical
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<grieg> not ruby-like?
<shevy> people rarely ever initialize a local variable to nil
<shevy> while loop is also rare to see
<shevy> and it is visually not aesthetic
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<curls> hey
<shevy> I will show you my version soon
<grieg> dayum xD. k i ll be around
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<shevy> grieg, ok first iteration http://pastie.org/9078514 I am sure it can be made shorter and prettier still but I have to continue working on an alias-opener in ruby now :P
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<curls> i'm really interested in learning ruby
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<curls> currently, my ownly knowledge is really of php
<curls> does anyone know any decent books/tutorials etc, that they could point me to?
<curls> or roughly a POA for me to begin please?
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<benzrf> why the hell do so many people come to this channel who know php o-o
<benzrf> curls: first you must empty your brain of everything you think you know
<benzrf> because php is just the absolute worst
<benzrf> i mean really wow
<curls> shouldn't be too hard :o
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<benzrf> srsly php is likemike
<benzrf> *like
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<benzrf> if you took mere badness
<centrx> whoa
<curls> i only learnt it out of simplicity/necessity years ago
<centrx> That was the exact same error you made before
<benzrf> and raised it to the power of awfulness
<centrx> benzrf is likemike
<benzrf> and then took the log of holy shit terrible
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<curls> hmmmm
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<curls> i know its not ideal, we are talking a good 5+ years ago!
<benzrf> kk
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<benzrf> personally i read the (poignant) guide and then asked buttloads of questions here
<benzrf> however i had plenty of programming background knowledge
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* curls googles
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<curls> hmmm, i like foxes :)
<benzrf> curls: basically w(p)gtr should give you a feel for RubyPanther
<benzrf> *ruby
<benzrf> like the general shape of the mechanics
<benzrf> then you can harass US for the specifics
<benzrf> =3
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<curls> mkay :) ty
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<curls> syntax is uhmmm a lot easier to comprehend, it actually appears a lot more commonsensical!
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<benzrf> indeed!
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<curls> i need to learn to wrap my head around objects a lil more
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<curls> i guess thats going to be the biggest change per se
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<benzrf> curls: objects are not so hard
<benzrf> curls: an object is just something that you can send messages to
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<benzrf> a message may be a question or a command
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<benzrf> so think of 'n.to_i' as sending the to_i message to n
<benzrf> or
<benzrf> asking n what it would be if it were an int
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<benzrf> you are ASKING or TELLING something to the thing itself
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<curls> hmmm ok
<benzrf> instead of giving the thing to some function
<curls> and its boxed off in a sense
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<benzrf> it doesnt matter what n is
<benzrf> it just matters that n understands what to_i means
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<benzrf> this is the original conception of OOP, from smalltalk
<curls> uhuh okay
<benzrf> ruby's object system is very close to smalltalk's btw
<curls> always shyed away from oop :p
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<curls> And my heart glows bright red under my filmy, translucent skin and they have to administer 10cc of JavaScript to get me to come back. (I respond well to toxins in the blood.) Man, that stuff will kick the peaches right out your gills!"
<curls> lol...this is really well written, thanks for the suggestion benzrf
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<benzrf> why_ is actually jack black irl
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<shevy> who cares
<shevy> is it important
<shevy> curls you should try to write scripts in ruby that solve what you need
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<shevy> curls you will learn things required as you proceed
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<IceDragon> shevy: Like downloading cute cat pics?
<shevy> <benzrf> curls: basically w(p)gtr should give you a feel for RubyPanther
<shevy> ^^^ omg
<shevy> he gives RubyPanther a feel
<shevy> IceDragon nah, you won't learn much with lolcats
<shevy> I tried to learn lolcode
<benzrf> >tfw being shipped by forces beyond my control
<IceDragon> boohoo :P
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<shevy> yeah benzrf
<shevy> parents can be annoying
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<pontiki> we thrive on being annoying
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<benzrf> curls: be sure to ignore what the guide says about 'class methods'
<benzrf> all methods are the same
<benzrf> Whatever::foo is the same as Whatever.foo
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<_lazarevsky_> benzrf:
<_lazarevsky_> I need some help mate
<_lazarevsky_> u there?
<_lazarevsky_> I am sure it's something bizarre
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<_lazarevsky_> im just so tired that even the obvious is not so obvious..
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<centrx> It always helps to ask the question
<centrx> It may even get you the solution
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<benzrf> sup _lazarevsky_
<_lazarevsky_> centrx: I am in the context of an ApiController
<_lazarevsky_> I define an instance variable called @temp
<_lazarevsky_> I have a getter and a setter
<_lazarevsky_> I know it's redundant but tried everything
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<_lazarevsky_> the value is not being set,..
<_lazarevsky_> whenever I call get_temp i get nil
<_lazarevsky_> :((
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<_lazarevsky_> can I define instance variables in a controller?
<benzrf> is this rails
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<_lazarevsky_> yes
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<_lazarevsky_> oh
<_lazarevsky_> just hit me!
<_lazarevsky_> rails creates a new instance of the controller
<_lazarevsky_> for each request..
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<centrx> See, all you have to do is ask the question
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<centrx> And it almost answers itself
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<_lazarevsky_> yea
<_lazarevsky_> peeps, u just got rubberducked!
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<_lazarevsky_> :P
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<pontiki> qvak
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<shevy> if it looks like a duck
<shevy> if it burns like a duck if you put it in an oven
<shevy> if it swims like a duck
<shevy> if it talks like a duck
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<shevy> it's pontiki
<pontiki> it's all your selfies with the ducklips that have ppl confused, shevy
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<benzrf> no its benzrf
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<eyeamaye1> how could one define a new class, without using class? i'm looking for something akin to `self.class.send(:define_method, :my_method) {puts "This is my method"}`
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<RubyPanther> you're all so ducky today :)
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<benzrf> eyeamaye1: Foo = Class.new?
<RubyPanther> eyeamaye1: klass = Class.new
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<eyeamaye1> ah, that's simple :)
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<eyeamaye1> thanks
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<eyeamaye1> actually though, it's not quite what im looking for. I'm trying to figure out how to create a new class with a message
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<RubyPanther> eyeamaye1: It will turn into a normal class if you later assign it to a const
<pontiki> eh?
<pontiki> klass = Class.send(:new) ?
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<eyeamaye1> pontiki, lol, that's more what i mean, any other ways to do it?
<RubyPanther> >> Object.send( :const_set, :Foo, Class.new ) ; Foo.new
<eval-in> RubyPanther => #<Foo:0x41ba647c> (https://eval.in/136145)
<eyeamaye1> RubyPanther, that looks to be it!
<eyeamaye1> thanks :D
<RubyPanther> egads, I hope not
<pontiki> whatever for?
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<eyeamaye1> pontiki, i'm new to OOP
<eyeamaye1> i have a background in static/compiled langs though
<pontiki> so?
<eyeamaye1> i'm just trying to grok OOP :P
<pontiki> OOP is available in several static/compiled languages
<pontiki> it has nothing to with that
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<RubyPanther> eyeamaye1: Technically in Ruby calling a method already means sending a message
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<eyeamaye1> RubyPanther, I've figured that out, that's why i was thinking there had to be a way to create a class with a message
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<pontiki> there is: Class.new
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<eyeamaye1> the syntax sugar in ruby has just confused me
<eyeamaye1> it defies everything i've learned about programming
<eyeamaye1> nil.nil?
<eyeamaye1> wtf
<eyeamaye1> >> nil.nil?
<eval-in> eyeamaye1 => true (https://eval.in/136146)
<benzrf> thats not sugar
<benzrf> that is just a method on nil o=
<RubyPanther> That part isn't sugar, the language is defined as being that a "method" is a "message"
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<benzrf> in python you could write 'None.is_none'
<benzrf> i mean
<eyeamaye1> >> puts "5".send :<=, "3"
<eval-in> eyeamaye1 => false ... (https://eval.in/136147)
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<benzrf> None.is_none()
<eyeamaye1> better?
<benzrf> although that doesnt exist
<eyeamaye1> :P
<RubyPanther> the only difference with send is that the name can of the message can be dynamic
<eyeamaye1> >> puts 5.<=(3)
<eval-in> eyeamaye1 => false ... (https://eval.in/136148)
<eyeamaye1> >> puts 5.send :<=, 3
<eval-in> eyeamaye1 => false ... (https://eval.in/136149)
<eyeamaye1> all that stuff
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<eyeamaye1> defies everything i've learned about programming
<eyeamaye1> anywho. you've answered my question RubyPanther, so thank you :)
<pontiki> then you haven't learned near enough
<pontiki> you should hop in to haskell now
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<eyeamaye1> nope
<benzrf> haskell is a butt
<benzrf> in that, it is great
<benzrf> i dont know what i say
* benzrf yawns
<RubyPanther> Well, Ruby is the first programming language since FLOW-MATIC to focus on the programmer instead of the machine
<benzrf> wrongg
<benzrf> that is such a biased statement omg
<pontiki> oh, i don't think that's so
<RubyPanther> Here we go, must be another COBOL fan
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<pontiki> the only "language" that focused on the machine was punching code into the hopper one instruction at a time with switches
<RubyPanther> Okay, Ruby is the first programming language since FLOW-MATIC to focus on the programmer instead of the machine, unless the human is a mathematician.
<benzrf> looll
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<benzrf> nice one dude
<benzrf> pretty funny
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<pontiki> ever since we've been able to type human-defined symbols, programming languages have been focused the human
<pontiki> with obvious throwbacks like brainfuck
<benzrf> pontiki: dont waste your effort
<benzrf> RubyPanther is always full of shit
<pontiki> you call this effort?
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<RubyPanther> The machines are designed by human engineers to manage these mathematics-based symbols. So it is natural that there would be symbols.
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<RubyPanther> Without symbols how are you going to communicate with a compiler?
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<RubyPanther> Ruby reduces the reliance on symbols, and allows structuring code around basic constructs, and the construction of behaviors.
<eyeamaye1> RubyPanther gets it
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<popl> s/with.*/\?/ # ftfy
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<pontiki> the machines handle on and off, low voltage and high voltage
<pontiki> they don't handle symbols
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<pontiki> symbols are human inventions
<pontiki> as is the machine
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<pontiki> but everything above the physical world of the machine is just another layer of abstraction
<pontiki> and as cs people, we *love* our abstractions
<pontiki> ruby has some of the best, and most fun, abstractions going
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<noob101> question about case and when
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<noob101> this is my code
<InfraRuby> noob101: hit me
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<noob101> case @ammo
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<InfraRuby> pastie
<noob101> when < 0
<InfraRuby> pastie
<noob101> Ok.
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<InfraRuby> and you can't do when < 0
<ntzrmtthihu777> hey. I notice there is only a ruby 2.0.0 installer for windows; can one compile 2.1.1 source with say the devkit and 2.0.0 installed?
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<benzrf> when :negative?.to_proc
<benzrf> if Fixnum#negative were a thing that is
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<noob101> InfraRuby: http://pastie.org/9078731
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<noob101> InfraRuby: my problem is with case/when, I was introduce to it by someone here. I forgot their name, they told me to use case/when instead of if and else to save lines of code.
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<pontiki> not in this case
<pontiki> npi
<benzrf> npi?
<pontiki> no pun intended
<benzrf> lele:
<benzrf> *lel
<noob101> Can someone look at my code please.
<pontiki> i am looking at it
<pontiki> ffs
<noob101> Oh ok, thank you.
<noob101> pontiki: thanks
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<pontiki> in your case, you actually have one *more* line than if you'd just use an if-else
<shevy> lol
<ntzrmtthihu777> so, no takers?
<shevy> pontiki is full of expressions!
<shevy> ntzrmtthihu777 it's hard to find people use windows here
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<pontiki> ntzrmtthihu777: what would happen if you just tried it yourself?
<ntzrmtthihu777> shevy: I don't, but, I do intend to release my code on windows :P
<shevy> noob101, you can shorten this: @ammo = @ammo - 1 to this: @ammo -= 1
<InfraRuby> noob101: what if @ammo == 0?
<ntzrmtthihu777> pontiki: dunno; no info turning up on the googles, and I figure you have only 2.0.0 rubyinstaller for some reason or a nother
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<pontiki> i don't have any rubyinstaller
<pontiki> at all
<InfraRuby> umm.. wtf?
<pontiki> you seem to though
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<ntzrmtthihu777> 'you' referring to the ruby site
<shevy> hahaha
<InfraRuby> noob101: test if @ammo is zero before the decrement
<noob101> InfraRuby: if @ammo is equal to 0 then I want it to stay at 0, not go to -1 if someone decides to shoot again.
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<shevy> 'you' referring to someone completely different than you hahahaha :D
<benzrf> noob101:
<InfraRuby> noob101: yeah, but what if it were zero after that decrement
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<benzrf> @ammo = [@ammo + 1, 0].max
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<benzrf> oops
<shevy> noob101 in this example, don't use case/when, use if/elsif
<benzrf> @ammo = [@ammo = 1, 0].max
<ntzrmtthihu777> noob101: if @ammo > 0; @ammo -= 1?
<InfraRuby> noob101: your cases (supposing that syntax worked) are only for negative and positive @ammo
<benzrf> guh
<benzrf> @ammo = [@ammo - 1, 0].max
<benzrf> thereh
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<ntzrmtthihu777> does ruby respect the x++ or x-- like c++/java?
<benzrf> no
<InfraRuby> ntzrmtthihu777: ruby has no respect
<shevy> ntzrmtthihu777 ++ and -- makes no sense in objects
<ntzrmtthihu777> shevy: ah true; everything in ruby is an object :P
<shevy> ntzrmtthihu777 you would send :+ and :- symbols
<shevy> hey
<InfraRuby> shevy: x++ could be sugar for x += 1
<shevy> that looks like smiley
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<noob101> benzrf what line should I put "@ammo = [@ammo - 1, 0].max" on?
<InfraRuby> ahh.. that would be ++x
<shevy> what now
<shevy> ++x or x++
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<shevy> you guys want it all!
<dinasour> need some recommendation on good Ruby tutorial. Recommendations?
<shevy> in perl that works :\
<InfraRuby> shevy: I want more than that
<noob101> wait huh, I don't know what that is InfraRuby
<noob101> ++x idk
<shevy> dinasour write scripts, don't waste time reading awful tutorials
<InfraRuby> noob101: turn away your eyes
<shevy> haha
<InfraRuby> before you are consumed with c envy
<ntzrmtthihu777> well, cross your fingers; I'ma try it.
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<shevy> try what
<shevy> windows?
<ntzrmtthihu777> shevy: compiling 2.1.1 on windows 7 x64
<shevy> yeah
<shevy> I hope you'll make it out alive man
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<ntzrmtthihu777> I doubt it. shevy, want my machine if I die in the process?
<shevy> then it's time to abandon windows :)
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<ntzrmtthihu777> shevy: no; I'm not so much of an elitist I won't at least give it a shot
<ntzrmtthihu777> shevy: there's a reason I made this machine a triple boot
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<shevy> hehe
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<shevy> you are a fearless man
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<noob101> hello, is my code better now? http://pastie.org/9078756
<ntzrmtthihu777> shevy: fearless or stupid; not sure which
<noob101> How can I say if @ammo < 0 when using when with case.
<noob101> example: when < 0, why can't I use this when I would have case @ammo?
<shevy> noob101 well in this example I really think you should use if else
<shevy> but actually you solved it already
<shevy> with a range
<shevy> 1..12
<shevy> noob101 your code has gotten shorter
<popl> what sort of 12-shot-holding-gun reloads one bullet at a time? :)
<ntzrmtthihu777> popl: hell even a six-shooter has those thingies that insert 6 at once :P
<noob101> shevy thanks but still, I am trying to practice use with case and when
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<ntzrmtthihu777> popl: or, depending on the way its put together, you could swap cylinders
<noob101> and I was hoping that I could do something like when < 0
<noob101> puts "No more ammo"
<noob101> etc..
<noob101> Any suggestions
<popl> noob101: here's a thought: create a base class like ShootingWeapon and then you can have other classes inherit from it (i.e. Pistol or Shotgun or ZipGun).
<noob101> popl I just made up a gun
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<popl> 12 in the clip, 1 in the barrel
<noob101> popl, thanks
<popl> :)
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<benzrf> inheritence is a dumb
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<benzrf> nobody should use inheritence
<benzrf> inheritence is the worst
<popl> benzrf: Are you high?
<shevy> noob101 unfortunately case/when is a bit simplistic
<shevy> noob101 but very useful if you want to use aliases
<benzrf> popl: im higher than the moon
<popl> benzrf: how do us mere mortals look from up there?
<popl> shevy: how do you mean?
<benzrf> popl: what is this
<benzrf> an irc channel for ants
<pontiki> there are times when it makes sense to use case/when instead of if/elsif, but in this case, there's only two branches to worry about. if/else is just *fine*
<popl> yep
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<popl> I agree with pontiki.
<popl> but then again he might want to add other branches later
<popl> like maybe the gun jams when it's fired or something
<pontiki> in which case he can change then, again *if it makes sense*
<pontiki> that would an exception
<pontiki> :)
<popl> or different types of ammo
<pontiki> and that, right there, is classic overengineering
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<popl> guns are overengineered
<popl> I take your point, though.
<pontiki> "i'll put it in a case statement just on the chance I might want to add another condition in the future, even if i can't think of one now"
<noob101> I have no idea what aliases are shevy but ok
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<popl> noob101: in ruby you can alias a method name
<ntzrmtthihu777> noob101: aliase is giving another name to a method
<pontiki> man, now you're just confusing things
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<popl> alias context_relevant_method_name some_really_long_method_name_that_does_not_make_sense_in_the_current_context
<popl> pontiki: confusing?
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<popl> I don't think so.
<pontiki> to noob101
<pontiki> as it's got nothing to do with what they're asking about
<popl> I'm sure noob101 is not an eight year old.
<pontiki> where in that do you think they'd benefit from using an alias? seriously?
<popl> as such noob101 probably has the ability to distinguish orthogonal concepts.
<popl> I don't.
<popl> It's nice to know that aliases exist, though.
<popl> pontiki: Are you against the dissemination of knowledge?
<popl> :P
<pontiki> are you against the uptake of knowledge at the learner's pace?
<popl> IRC is an asynchronous medium. I'm not shoving anything down anyone's proverbial throat.
<pontiki> nor am i
<popl> At any rate you're the one complaining, not noob101. :P
<pontiki> well, you have it all in hand, then
<popl> pontiki: yes, yes I do.
* popl gives pontiki the nod
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<benzrf> Cache_Money: why not cache monet
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<benzrf> thatsthejoke.exe.tif.mp4343434342
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<ntzrmtthihu777> is there a rake command to list build tasks?
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<pontiki> something besides rake -T?
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<ntzrmtthihu777> pontiki: thanks. I'm still pretty green behind the ears.... wtf, blended two noobie descriptions XD
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<pontiki> sorry, ntzrmtthihu777, was that what you were looking for?
<ntzrmtthihu777> pontiki: rake -T seems to be what I needed.
<pontiki> ok
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<ntzrmtthihu777> 2.1.0 compilation appears to be working.
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<Cache_Money> benzrf: that's much cooler. I don't know what I was thinking..
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<ntzrmtthihu777> dammit!
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<mazzid> I imagine this is really obvious, but can anybody pint me in the right direction for this. Given an array of arrays, I'd like to get sub-arrays who have a certain value in them.
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<mazzid> In perl I'd do something like: grep({ $_->[$keyOfInterest] eq $valueOfInterest } @inputArray);
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<ntzrmtthihu777> le sigh. y u no work, ruby 2.1.0?
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<ntzrmtthihu777> strange thing is I can build the devkit, just not the real deal...
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<zzzak> hi
<zzzak> do you discuss here job opportunities ?
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<mazzid> answering my own question: Enumerable.find_all
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<pontiki> Throughout history, humans have been interacting with the grid via molecular structures.
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<pontiki> i feel quite humbled by this site; http://sebpearce.com/bullshit/
<pontiki> it's more pontiki than pontiki
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<ntzrmtthihu777> pontiki: holy shit that's great!
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<ntzrmtth1hu777> why the fuck is windows so damned stupid D:<
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<InfraRuby> zzzak: what do you want?
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<zzzak> InfraRuby: I was just wondering if it's forbidden to disuss jobs here ?
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<ntzrmtth1hu777> zzak_: yeah; no one wants to talk about apple
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<zzak_> wrong zzak i think
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<Terminus-> question, how can i have ~/.gems/ override everything else on the system? it looks like require 'psych' loads /usr/lib/ruby/1.9.1/psych.rb instead of ~/.gem/ruby/1.9.1/gems/psych-2.0.5/lib/psych.rb
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<sandelius> Anyone have a simple tut for storing multiple gems inside a single repository with a rake task that releases them all?
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<sandelius> Anyone have a simple tut for storing multiple gems inside a single repository with a rake task that releases them all?
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<tobiasvl> mazzid: outer_array.find_all { |array| array.include? value } ?
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<tobiasvl> >> a = [[1,2,3],[2,4,5],[7,8,9]]; a.find_all {|b| b.include? 2 }
<eval-in> tobiasvl => [[1, 2, 3], [2, 4, 5]] (https://eval.in/136172)
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<mazzid> yep, worked like a champ - thanks
<mazzid> champ? charm?
<tobiasvl> :D
<mazzid> I'm not sure when 3am came
* mazzid sighs
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<tobiasvl> oh, good night! I just got up, it's 9 AM here
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<mazzid> Just on the other side of the pond
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<sandelius> anyone in?
<certainty> no
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<sandelius> Anyone have a simple tut for storing multiple gems inside a single repository with a rake task that releases them all?
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<j416> sandelius: we heard you the first two times
<j416> be patient
<certainty> be a patien
<certainty> +t
<j416> and if there is no answer, well that means no
<sandelius> j416 fine
<j416> :)
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<zorak> make this code for the triangles exercise in the koans http://pastebin.com/MdVWdmCx
<zorak> very ugly but work
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<zorak> any idea of how improve it?
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<Hytosys> zorak: you can use the factory pattern to decide which type of triangle to instantiate given the three lengths
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<Hytosys> zorak: [a, b, c].uniq.length should give you a number: 1, 2, or 3
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<Hytosys> 1: equilateral, 2: isosceles, 3: scalene
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<zorak> this is factory pattern?
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<zorak> im searching in ddg about it
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<Hytosys> nah factory pattern is basically what you’re doing right now but instead of returning :symbols you would return object instances… not particularly necessary
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<zorak> aolid advice about ruby factory patter http://solidalen.net/ruby-factory-pattern/
<Hytosys> lol
<zorak> solid*
<Hytosys> that’s how I would refactor your code
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<zorak> whats uniq do?
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<Hytosys> >> [1, 2, 2].uniq
<eval-in> Hytosys => [1, 2] (https://eval.in/136202)
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<Hytosys> >> ['hi', 'zorak', 'hi'].uniq
<eval-in> Hytosys => ["hi", "zorak"] (https://eval.in/136206)
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<zorak> o, return only the non repetitive elements
<Hytosys> correct
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<zorak> very cool
<zorak> and lengh return the size, 1, 2 or 3
<Hytosys> yep! [1, 1, 1].uniq.length is 1
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<zorak> and whats "case"??
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<zorak> the then is necesary?
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<zorak> when 1 return :equilateral
<zorak> its not the same?
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<zorak> or when need then?
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<Hytosys> when only needs then if you want to write one line per case
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<Hytosys> case is like “switch” in other languages such as C… you can think of it like a bunch of if statements
<Hytosys> my code checks “if [a, b, c].uniq.length === 1 then :equilateral”… etc
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<atmosx> Hello, I'm getting params[:options] 'nil', any idea why? https://gist.github.com/atmosx/10628695
<zorak> run it and have to change lenght with size
<zorak> lenght is an String method iirc
<Mon_Ouie> No, it isn't, but length is. It's also defined in other classes such as Array.
<Hytosys> Array#size is aliased as Array#length… since ruby 1.8.7 at least!
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<zorak> im in ruby 1.9 and get this error undefined method `lenght' for [2]:Array
<Hytosys> try “length” :)
<Hytosys> typo
<zorak> ahh
<zorak> yes
<zorak> :P
<Hytosys> but size is good too no problem
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<zorak> from 13 lines to 7, cool, cool, cool
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<zorak> a no, 16 to 7 :P
<Hytosys> congrats ;)
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<Mon_Ouie> atmosx: I don't know but your condition is definitely wrong as it uses '=' instead of '=='.
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<atmosx> omg
<atmosx> Mon_Ouie: thanks
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<Mon_Ouie> Also choosing a filename based on what the user used is probably not very wise. What if they call it '../lets_mess_up_the_directory_structure'?
<tobiasvl> atmosx: I'd use two spaces for indenting the ruby as well, like you do with the haml
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<atmosx> tobiasvl: I need to configure vim to do that for me, cause vim use tabs
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<atmosx> tobiasvl: and I'm used to tabs, except from haml... But I see that 2-spaces convention everywhere, so I guess you have a point
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<atmosx> nice works fine now
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<likemike> is there a way how i can poll messages from Microsoft's Exchange server in Ruby ?
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<tobiasvl> likemike: https://github.com/WinRb/Viewpoint seems popular
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<likemike> tobiasvl: i will check it thanks
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<atmosx> Anyone good with haml knows how can I display g[:description] here? HAML takes it as a string not var https://gist.github.com/atmosx/10633240
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<Hytosys> %option{value: g[:id]}= g[:description]
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<tobiasvl> atmosx: hehe, I just commented on the gist with what Hytosys said
<tobiasvl> but yeah, always = to parse ruby
<atmosx> ah didn't knew that I could do that inline
<atmosx> thanks tobiasvl and Hytosys :-)
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<Hytosys> tobiasvl: dude check that gist again and look at our avatars
<Hytosys> we look like the exact same dude
<tobiasvl> what the
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<tobiasvl> hello long lost twin
<Hytosys> cheers
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<atmosx> Hytosys: lol
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<atmosx> I don't get this, I am anonymous but I need to register with twitter and facebook and gmail? http://new.spring.me/#!/welcome
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<atmosx> or issue my email
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<Hytosys> the spectrum of anonymity is broad ;)
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<flan3002> I have an object u, printing it from pry outputs #<URL _id: 534bc4fa03f690a26f000002, long_url: nil, number: 0, short_url: nil>, printing url.long_url outputs "pages". How is this possible? u included Mongoid::Document.
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<jhass> that's what u.inspect returns
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<jhass> check u.method(:inspect).source_location
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<flan3002> jhass: But why are they different? I can't tell from the source code...
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<jhass> check what the long_url method does then
<jhass> inspect probably uses a different way to obtain the value than the method
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<flan3002> jhass: Well, I use attr_accessor to access them.
<jhass> doesn't change my guess
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<flan3002> Then I don't know what else to check.
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<jhass> well, how does inspect obtain the value?
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<flan3002> The relevant mongoid code is at http://ix.io/bFp
<flan3002> But I don't fully understand it.
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<jhass> flan3002: so it does @attributes[:long_url] or @attributes['long_url'], depending on what fields returns
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<flan3002> jhass: Well, that's not too explanatory... Anyways, thank you a lot!
<jhass> flan3002: attr_accessor :long_url does query @long_url instead
<jhass> flan3002: so just as I suspected, two different ways to obtain the value
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<shevy> dumdedum
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<benzrf> wello
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<DouweM> hai
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<timgauthier> jhass|off nice :P
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<timgauthier> oh, nm it rendered in my font as hassloff .. i thought you made a clever joke jhass|off
<timgauthier> join #design
<shevy> lol
<timgauthier> woops
<shevy> join #hot-sex
<timgauthier> shevy shh
<timgauthier> whats awesome is i joined ##design somehow instead of just #design
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<workmad3> timgauthier: /j #design puts you into ##design
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<timgauthier> ah i see... whats the difference, why are some rooms double hashed?
<benzrf> shevy u r entirely 2 nsfw
<benzrf> god damn
<shevy> k gej b a e benzrf
<benzrf> timgauthier: double hash usually indicates an unofficial channel
<timgauthier> ah
<workmad3> but not always
<timgauthier> shevy stop with the gibbrish
<benzrf> timgauthier: so in particular general topics that couldnt be official usually have a double hash
<shevy> timgauthier I was communicating with benzrf
<benzrf> timgauthier: ie ##design or ##programming
<shevy> <benzrf> shevy u r entirely 2 nsfw <--
<timgauthier> ah neat
<benzrf> timgauthier: actually it might be better to think of a single hash as meaning official and double as being the default
<benzrf> timgauthier: this is largely a freenode distinction fwiw
<shevy> timgauthier freenode loves the #, galaxynet has a much saner policy in regards to channels
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<workmad3> shevy: I bet #ruby on galaxynet has much less interesting people in it though ;)
<timgauthier> but we are not ON galaxy net are we shevy, EXACTLY :P
<timgauthier> yah i don't even
<shevy> workmad3 yeah, galaxynet is mostly a chat server really
<benzrf> freenode is best net <- tru fax
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<shevy> freenode is for real learning
<workmad3> 90% of my friends are on freenode...
<timgauthier> it is funny to go to ##design, because designers don't usually understand the IRC's :P
<timgauthier> soooo its not really going to have anything going on.
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<shevy> they got you now timgauthier
<workmad3> timgauthier: could be code design
<shevy> so there will be something going on
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<timgauthier> uh oh
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<workmad3> timgauthier: I only joined #design to see if it would bump over to ##design like I suspected... and I'll probably just lurk there now to see if there's anything interesting happening :)
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<timgauthier> indeed
<shevy> god
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<shevy> workmad3 channel creeping is scaring the shit outta me
<timgauthier> well today an app got released for us designer peeps, so that is exciting
<shevy> what does the app do?
<workmad3> shevy: it's an app for designers... it probably doesn't *do* anything, it's just shiney
<certainty> good call
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<certainty> just like me
<workmad3> certainty: dome wax?
<shevy> lol
<certainty> :)
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<shevy> glossy hair (grease)
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<certainty> workmad3: i'm bold
<workmad3> shevy: are you suggesting that certainty eats a diet high in marrowbone jelly for a thick, glossy coat?
<certainty> bald
<certainty> that's what i use my wax for :p
<workmad3> certainty: that's what dome wax is :P
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<timgauthier> wow, i wasn't really being a bad influence on this channel at all, neat.
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<workmad3> timgauthier: pfft, this is a step above our normal monday convos :)
<certainty> workmad3: damn foreign languages
<timgauthier> where is the file to edit terminal alias etc again?
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<certainty> gtg
* certainty &
<timgauthier> certainty cya
<workmad3> timgauthier: ~/.bashrc ?
<workmad3> certainty: cya
<timgauthier> thanks
<workmad3> timgauthier: or do you use zsh? if so, ~/.zshrc
<timgauthier> yes that was the file i meant
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<workmad3> timgauthier: potentially (depending on distro and setup) could also be looking at ~/.bash_profile, ~/.profile, /etc/bashrc, /etc/bash_profile and /etc/profile...
<timgauthier> i keep it simple so i use bash, and by simple i mean i try not to do too much installed stuff. Infact I should systemize my deft environment into some sort of installer so that I can easily install when i get to a new mac, and i should symbolize my bashrc file to dropbox too
<shevy> shoulda coulda woulda
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<timgauthier> well actually i need to figure out how, and it was .bash_profile
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<shevy> just gather your personal stuff into another file, and then source that file from .bash* files
<timgauthier> i don't even.. what?
<workmad3> shevy: I've got a ~/.zshrc.d and a ~/.profile.d directory for my zsh specific and bash/zsh profile stuff :)
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<workmad3> and then just source them in .zshrc and .bashrc
<timgauthier> too many /'s and stuff, i don't even know what i'm reading
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<crome> wut
<shevy> I went the simpler route
<shevy> and don't use zsh at all
<shevy> :D
<timgauthier> how do you restart bash to use your new alias?
<crome> you dont
<workmad3> timgauthier: source ~/.bashrc
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<workmad3> timgauthier: or source ~/.bash_profile
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<crome> or you can just open a new termianl window if you dont like all those "/'s and stuff"
<shevy> timgauthier make a file with your aliases and just source that file again
<workmad3> crome: :D
<timgauthier> what does source do?
<shevy> it's like load() in ruby!
<workmad3> timgauthier: sources a file... ;)
<workmad3> timgauthier: man source
<timgauthier> ah.. so you just put the file in dropbox, and then all you have to do on a new device is load the source
<workmad3> drats, it's a builtin...
<workmad3> so useless man page...
<timgauthier> and that file could source a bunch of others.. ok
<workmad3> timgauthier: well, I don't put these in dropbox personally... but you could do that
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<timgauthier> thats what i use dropbox for really. to sync that kind of unimportant stuff.
<timgauthier> unimportant as in "Don't care if NSA reads it"
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<workmad3> timgauthier: you may as well just relegate everything to that level of unimportance...
<workmad3> timgauthier: chances are the NSA has already read it ;)
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<timgauthier> boxen is a neat idea, but it looks like its more for companies that use github
<timgauthier> workmad3 well thats true too. unless y'know i just don't put stuff like that anywhere
<workmad3> boxen is just a general framework for setting up macs
<workmad3> it was created by github
<workmad3> timgauthier: well, as long as you're not one of the crazies with a tinfoil hat ;)
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<timgauthier> yeah but it looks like it uses github as the source, though i guess i could use a public repo of that. Why did github remove the 1 private repo from free accounts :(
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<crome> because they like money
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<timgauthier> naw no tinfoil workmad3, that makes you an antenna and makes it easier to track you
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<timgauthier> crome true, but a single private repo is basically a "user store". I mean i'm not going to pay you to store stuff i could git store other places privately for free, but a single private repo makes it easy and convenient for a single use space. Then i'd be paying for anything above that.
<shevy> workmad3 haha "boxen" is german for the sport "boxing"
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<workmad3> timgauthier: you could always use bitbucket
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<timgauthier> workmad3 thats what i mean. I mean and if they like money why do free github pages, a single private repo sort of "locks" you in via convenience. "oh I already have a private repo here, might as well use the publics, oh and lets do this client project via a paid private"
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<Hanmac> workmad3 & shevy (Sound-)Boxen also are a german name for (PC-)Speakers ..
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<Cope> what's the best way to serialise a struct? I want to be able to take a struct which I get in an interactive session, and write it out so I can reuse it else where (actually as canned data)
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<j416> I'm looking for a PDF of O'Reilly Ruby Best Practises by Gregory Brown; This seems broken and I'm not succeeding in compiling it either. Does anyone know where I can get a PDF? https://github.com/sandal/rbp-book/
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<antoinelyset> who
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<Cope> to clarify... it's easy to serialise.. with YAML::dump for example, but when I YAML.parse it, I get a Psych::Nodes::Document... not a Struct
<Devanon> j416: it-ebooks.info check there
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<j416> Devanon: there it is! awesome, thanks
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<Devanon> j416: np :)
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<antoinelyset> Hi all, I want to test the kind_of an object in a gem but I don't want to have the tested classes required, is it possible ? Is object.class.to_s == "MyUnRequiredClass" a really bad practice ?
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<antoinelyset> any help ?
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<crome> antoinelyset: what you really want to do is maybe testing for respond_to?
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<antoinelyset> Yeah I thought about this, duck typing is great. Thanks !
<antoinelyset> I will go with that*.
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<timgauthier> does anyone know if there is a room for the middleman app?
<shevy> perhaps ask in #rack
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<shevy> there are some clever idlers there
<shevy> I mean, people!
<timgauthier> ok ;)
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<timgauthier> would it be a helper to make something that every time i put an image to have a url append/prepend ?
<timgauthier> i don't even really know what i just asked :P
<antoinelyset> Me neither.
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<shevy> haha
<timgauthier> instead of putting <%= config[:active_class_default] %> in front of every image url y'think i could make that more DRY?
<shevy> the answer is 42 timgauthier
<timgauthier> ok thnx!
<shevy> omg
<shevy> you are still with those awful tags
<timgauthier> of course! IT IS MY LIFE1
<timgauthier> but now they bend to my will!
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<timgauthier> mostly
<shevy> so what does config[:active_class_default] give you back
<shevy> a string?
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<timgauthier> well, if i'm in the dev environment '' (empty string) if i'm running build or the dev environment it returns whatever i assign, which in this case is /middleman/ but would change depending where or how i am deploying
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<shevy> hmm
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<timgauthier> I mean, i don't MIND putting the variable thing in every time, it just would be neat to not have too. It has to also be on any other links within this site. So like linking to another page. I can do relative links for some things and that works, but if i need to go to the about page, /about/ works if you are on a root level page y'know. but middleman doesn't seem to understand if it is under a folder to make the link do the right
<timgauthier> things for assets.
<timgauthier> i mean, basically, middleman is doing EXACTLY what i expect it to do.
<timgauthier> but if i could make it less typing/copypasta
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<antoinelyset> Can't you change the base url ?
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<timgauthier> yes
<timgauthier> wait what do you mean?
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<timgauthier> config.baseurl is something i've added/configured
<antoinelyset> You need to prepend something on each of you url ?
<timgauthier> i need to prepend something to most of my urls
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<antoinelyset> Hmmm. Ok so you need an helper or some context/wrapper.
<timgauthier> wait. i'm just thinking may be i can just put it on all of them.
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<timgauthier> yeah i was thinking that, i just don't know understand helpers enough yet :D lol
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<antoinelyset> If you can add it to all of them. Just modify the base_url and you're done.
<antoinelyset> (I've never done a middleman app but I imagine you could)
<timgauthier> yeah, i still need to be able to have relative links sometimes, for things like "Next" and "Previous" to be simple but all nav/ most image links need to be relative but from the base directory
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<timgauthier> well the base_url isn't something defined in middleman
<timgauthier> i defined that
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<timgauthier> eh, don't worry about it :)
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<timgauthier> oi, its so windy out in germany.. I'm glad i'm in these big stone houses, not sure how well the little stick houses back in canada would feel in this.
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<shevy> yeah
<shevy> windy
<shevy> nothing good ever comes out of germany
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<timgauthier> where you live shevy? We'll just Anchlüss it
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<shevy> timgauthier austria
<timgauthier> you, then you already did that
<shevy> timgauthier well we sent him over to germany!
<timgauthier> :P
<timgauthier> ok enough
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<timgauthier> going into dangerous territory there
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<bhertach> anybody here who knows about the rack-ssl-enforcer gem? having a strange problem...
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<timgauthier> I understand my question better.. I want my absolute URLs to have the config.baseurl appended to them, but not relative or fully qualified urls
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<timgauthier> aka root relative urls
<workmad3> timgauthier: a 'fully qualified url' is an absolute url
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<workmad3> timgauthier: what you mean is a relative url with an absolute path ;)
<timgauthier> sorry, i mean http://example.com as a fully qualified vs /subpage/after/root as a root relative/absolute
<timgauthier> yes
<codezomb> has anyone seen issues like this in bundler? Basically, I'm specifying a gem in my gemfile, and that gem has a dependency on another gem. They both get installed, but bundler blows up saying it can't find one of them. The error, plus the two gemspecs are included in this gist https://gist.github.com/codezomb/cee319dde3484ac55156#file-gistfile1-rb
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<workmad3> timgauthier: not that I'm able to help much with solving your problem... I'm only chiming in with clarifications of your jargon :)
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<timgauthier> thats still ok :)
<codezomb> it also only blows up on bundle install, or rbenv rehash... Running `bundle` by itself works fine.
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<benzrf> codezomb: have u tried deleting ur lockfile
<codezomb> benzrf: yep, and my entire bundle dir
<timgauthier> apparently i could be using the asset tags from rails, that would solve the image issues, but not my urls for pages
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<jhass> codezomb: huh, `bundle` should be an alias to `bundle install`
<jhass> codezomb: please append the .lock to the gist
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<workmad3> codezomb: do you mean when you 'bundle exec' something?
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<codezomb> workmad3: no, bundle... works.... bundle install... throws that error.
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<workmad3> codezomb: also, that looks like the sort of issue that happens when GEM_HOME isn't in your GEM_PATH...
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<codezomb> jhass: lock attached
<codezomb> workmad3: looks like neither of those are set in my shell env
<jhass> okay, I join GEM_HOME/_PATH issues then
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<jhass> attach gem env and bundle exec gem env
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<codezomb> jhass: updated
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<jhass> okay, is trying to install without the --path option an option for you? if so dump vendor/bundle and .bundle/config and try again
<atmosx> guys enctype="multipart/form-data" is need only when binary files are uploaded?
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<atmosx> in HTML forms
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<atmosx> never mind
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<codezomb> jhass: that blows up with some different errors now. /Users/mike/.rbenv/versions/2.0.0-p451/lib/ruby/gems/2.0.0/gems/bundler-1.6.2/lib/bundler/resolver.rb:228:in `resolve_for_conflict': Bundler could not find compatible versions for gem "activesupport": (Bundler::VersionConflict)
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<codezomb> even with blowing out the Gemfile.lock
<timgauthier> shevy wanna see some convoluted link_to erg action? :P
<timgauthier> erb*
<shevy> no
<shevy> erb must die
<timgauthier> its actually rails
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<timgauthier> you'll love it man!
<timgauthier> <%= link_to 'Projects with Active', '/projects.html', {:relative => 'false'}, { :class => ("active" if current_page.data[:active].presence == 'projects')} %>
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<shevy> omg
<timgauthier> haha
<shevy> why is there <%=
<timgauthier> because render to html babe
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<benzrf> that is an abomination and you should feel bad omg
<timgauthier> its beautiful
<shevy> render, ok
<shevy> you can use ruby code to render any result you want to, too
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<timgauthier> i put the relative in there just to make you cry
<shevy> I could not go past the <%= sorry
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<shevy> I came from php in the hope to abandon it
<timgauthier> is there a better way to skip the options to go to the second {} then just an empty {} ? -- link_to 'Projects with Active', '/projects.html', {}, { :class => ("active" if current_page.data[:active].presence == 'projects')} --
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<jhass> codezomb: I can only guess but I'd say rbenv is to blame or maybe bundler itself. Reach out there (there's #bundler for example)
<codezomb> jhass: thanks, I thought so but I wanted to start here to make sure I didn't miss anything.
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<atmosx> shevy: you know PHP?
<atmosx> shevy: oh that's awful :-(
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<gaussblurinc1> atmosx: why so? PHP is just a big platform with good/bad styled libs. knowledge means knowledge and experience.
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<timgauthier> PHP IS BEST
<timgauthier> shevy KNOWS!
<shevy> atmosx, yeah I was writing php code for about 2 years
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<shevy> it was easier to work with than perl for me
<atmosx> shevy: I see
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<atmosx> gaussblurinc1: I'm kidding but I don't like how it looks like
<shevy> timgauthier php is truly awful, it can not even be called a programming language, it is more like a melting pot with different cooks
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<estaban> 1
<shevy> 2
<estaban> TRUE
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<shevy> hehe
<timgauthier> workmad3, you still watching ##design...
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<shevy> atmosx, I am trying to learn R... dat = as.data.frame(matrix(1:12, ncol = 4))
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<shevy> that does a matrix
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<shevy> from 1 to 12
<shevy> with 4 columns
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<benzrf> 1:12?
<benzrf> isnt that a syntax error o=
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<benzrf> oh thats R
<benzrf> lol
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<banister> shevy isn't it dat <- ?
<banister> iirc R uses <- and -> for assignment
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<banister> 5 -> x (assign 5 to x) or x <- 5 (assign 5 to x)
<benzrf> foo <- bar is sugar for bar >>= \foo ->
<atmosx> I study matrices in Milan when I was studying economics, I don't remember nothing
<atmosx> I do remember that some operations were counter-intuitive to me at the beginning
<benzrf> matrices are just 2d arrays with certain special kinds of ops
<benzrf> i.e. dot product
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<benzrf> dot product aka matrix mult is kinda weird
<benzrf> basically u take the cartesian product of rows from the first and columns from the second
<gaussblurinc1> where can I read about bundle, gems and module distribution?
* atmosx stops his Sinatra thesis and opens his Rails book
<benzrf> then you multiply each pair and take the sumark
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<benzrf> *sum
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<benzrf> you then assemble a new matrix where each sum is positioned at the column and row of its source
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<gaussblurinc1> atmosx: which book?
<benzrf> this is useful in grafix cuz you can represent a set of n points as a 3×n matrix
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<atmosx> Agile Web Dev with Rails 4
<atmosx> gaussblurinc1: why are you asking? :-)
<benzrf> then dot product will transform each col of coords based on the values of each of em
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<benzrf> if your other matrix is n×n
<benzrf> *3×3
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<benzrf> the 3's here assume 3d points
<gaussblurinc1> atmosx: because you know good one, I am sure, I think I am sure
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<atmosx> gaussblurinc1: there's this and the one made by Michael Hartl used by newbes mostly
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<olivier_bK> i authenticate all of my user with ldap is mutch to write the ldap_connect_script with class or like a module ?
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<codezomb> jhass: yeah, decided to just blow out rbenv, and reinstall. That seemed to clear it up.//
<LadyRainicorn> Does it have state?
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<tobiasvl> argh my ruby env is borked. gems are installed globally and locally willy-nilly
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<tobiasvl> rake is local which is a PITA when I want to rake install a gem globally :P
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<Senjai> tobiasvl: You never want to install a gem globally, except for bundle
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<tobiasvl> well I know that NOW
<tobiasvl> :P
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<tobiasvl> I have 56 local gems, 12 in /usr/share and 14 in /usr/local/share ...
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<timgauthier> why is the ruby convention to put src after class with the asset_helpers ?
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<apeiros> timgauthier: ruby is not rails
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<timgauthier> my bad sorry
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<apeiros> and ruby doesn't know jack about asset_helpers :)
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<jhass> Senjai: why not?
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<Senjai> jhass: Why not install a gem globally?
<jhass> yes
<Senjai> jhass: Because, if you have two projects with two sets of dependencies, both might include the same gem but different versions
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<Senjai> Essentially, you clobber gems for some projects when you bundle install
<jhass> that's what bundler / bundle exec is for
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<Senjai> Our company has a policy of bundle install --path vendor/bundle
<Senjai> jhass: Okay, what about rails and rails new?
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<jhass> what about them?
<Senjai> Ideally, all of your applications ruby dependencies should be stored in a subdirectory in the root of the application
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<jhass> if you're creating a new project you don't have a Gemfile or a vendor directory
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<jhass> if you have an application bundle exec rails works well
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<Senjai> That, and you can package your folder for deployment and if you have no native dependencies a bundle check should pass
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<jhass> you shouldn't use --path vendor to package gems
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<jhass> bundler has bundle package exactly for that purpose
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<shevy> ewwww
<shevy> bundler
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<shevy> tobiasvl I have 304 local gems so far!
<shevy> tobiasvl why do you have gems in /usr/share and /usr/local/share
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<timgauthier> well, that was a dumb choice for me to do
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<shevy> timgauthier erb?
<shevy> yesss
<timgauthier> no
<timgauthier> go to the design irc room
<timgauthier> i forgot, other designers think their job ends when they email the .psd to someone
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<timgauthier> i'll never fit in with the cool kids now! I use ERB so shevy won't have me, and i understand the implications of my design so the designers won't have me!
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<shevy> don't see it that difficult
<shevy> abandon your wicked path and all is fine
<shevy> stop using erb :>
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<timgauthier> what is the shorthand to pm someone in irc?
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<shevy> /kick
<timgauthier> :P
<timgauthier> i wish
<shevy> I too
<shevy> you do a query
<timgauthier> global ops would be a dangerous thing for me
<shevy> so the command is /query
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<shevy> timgauthier I now believe you that you are new to IRC
<shevy> real idlers know the IRC commands very well
<timgauthier> it has been a decade since i idled on IRC in any serious fashion
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<shevy> well
<shevy> I recall on 9/11 2001 I was told on galaxynet about the attack on the WTC
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<shevy> on mIRC!
<shevy> it's curious how one is able to recall such days
<LadyRainicorn> wow
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<shevy> timgauthier ten years ago, you must have been a mIRCer as well right?
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<timgauthier> yes
<timgauthier> i was in grade 9
<shevy> I have no idea what is grade 9
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<shevy> unlike it is like in gattaca movie
<shevy> then you must be crippled
<timgauthier> and i was about to go to school, and my social studies teacher had no care about what was going on in the world that day, rather tell us about something in history
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<timgauthier> so i used a wind up radio in class to listen
<shevy> haha cool
<timgauthier> 9th grade = 9th year of school
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<shevy> that's actually better than my story
<timgauthier> :P
<timgauthier> I feel old
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<timgauthier> thanks shevy
<LadyRainicorn> What age is that?
<shevy> because you got new information through a radio whereas your old, crappy teacher could only releais old outdated and biased information
<shevy> perhaps 18-3 ?
<timgauthier> 14 or 15 LadyRainicorn ? i'm 28 this year.
<shevy> :)
<shevy> I calculcated correctly!
<timgauthier> yes
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<timgauthier> I do that to my german fiancée too, forget to translate for her :P
<shevy> if one assumed 12grade was final, so 18 (usually; I dont know how long it guys overseas takes you to finish learning :P)
<LadyRainicorn> 18-3?
<shevy> yeah, age 18 final year, 9th grade vs. 12th grade, -3 difference
<LadyRainicorn> ah
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* shevy wins. \o/
<shevy> give me my present, a pink ponicorn!
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<shevy> timgauthier how did you end up NOT in canada?
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<timgauthier> well shevy thats a sort of answer that might just offend some people
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<shevy> good
<shevy> now you made me extra curious
<timgauthier> I am a Missionary* who works with a non-profit movement. I took a school in Hawaii and did the practicum in Germany. While here I met my fiancée and felt like this is where I was supposed to stay.
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<timgauthier> short answer, God told me, long answer ^
<shevy> omg hawaii
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<shevy> you are like moving around
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<timgauthier> now the * means i don't go door to door knocking, or even asking anyone if they wanna know my flavour of religious blieve
<timgauthier> belief*
<shevy> let's see how long you'll manage to stay in germany :D
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<timgauthier> I do communications and *design* (unless you ask the real designers then they say i don't design i do programming)
<sungai_keruh> hi all :)
<shevy> well the story was fine
* LadyRainicorn gives shevy a pink ponicorn plushie.
<shevy> except that you ended in germany, that's something to improve still!
<timgauthier> and I am wanting to make films about social justice issues that don't suck!
<shevy> bavaria is exempt from this btw, it's cool
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<timgauthier> shevy :p well I don't have a permanent visa here yet, so you are right about ending in germany
<shevy> uh
<timgauthier> bavaria stinks ;)
<shevy> I thought you are a designer, now you are into movies?
<timgauthier> i am into a lot of things.
<shevy> !!!
<shevy> tobiasvl will agree with me that bavaria has some decent beer
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<timgauthier> no, the Czech has some decent beer ;)
<shevy> ok well that depends, some designers like when they use blender to make 3D movies
<timgauthier> bavaria has some funny pants
<shevy> like toy story, which rocked!
<timgauthier> haha
<timgauthier> Do you know who charity water is?
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<shevy> yeah, the Czech also have some good beer
<shevy> yeah
<shevy> it's water
<timgauthier> I'm not affiliated with charity water
<shevy> right?
<timgauthier> :P ok nm
<shevy> hehehe
<timgauthier> we should PM and not bug everyone
<shevy> no!
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<shevy> we should bug everyone!
<LadyRainicorn> Charity water?
<LadyRainicorn> Yes.
<LadyRainicorn> #runt
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<shevy> now he PMs me :(
<timgauthier> yes LadyRainicorn
<shevy> why did I tell him how to do queries... WHY ...
<LadyRainicorn> haha
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<timgauthier> if you've ever seen anything they do, they do these awesome promo videos that explain things and communicate very well
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<LadyRainicorn> #ruby should be ##social
<timgauthier> ps shevy i know how to query with textual, i double click your name, the /command was just for someone in a room i'm not in anymore ;)
<timgauthier> yeah srsly LadyRainicorn
<shevy> reason I dislike PMs is not because I hate people (I do, but it's not the reason); I have to click 2x, first onto the PM, then back to a channel
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<shevy> or I have to hit keyboard twice, but I am a mouse person
<timgauthier> anyhow, i see those sweet things they do to tell you about their projects and stuff. I want to make films about social justice issues that are like that
<timgauthier> queries should be inline :| #designproblemhashtag
<shevy> timgauthier I dont even know what is textual... is that some mac thing?
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<timgauthier> yes
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<timgauthier> wow Rainicorn
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<timgauthier> that jerk of a peer
<shevy> hey
<shevy> what happened to LadyRainicorn
<timgauthier> Radar is /lifeofradar right?
<timgauthier> statechange shevy
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<shevy> dunno... I think Radar is either a sinatra dude or a rails dude
<LadyRainicorn> My wiri
<timgauthier> yah, its my buddy
<LadyRainicorn> wifi went out
<timgauthier> i queried him :P
<shevy> he helped me on one of those channels
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<timgauthier> yeah
<shevy> welcome back LadyRainicorn! may you never again leave here
<timgauthier> Ryan Bigg
<shevy> -hotel california
<shevy> -hotel #ruby
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<shevy> timgauthier I wouldn't be able to remember the real names, I only remember your nicks!
<timgauthier> well thats why i made it easy!
<shevy> you made it very clever with your nick timgauthier :P
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<shevy> I'll just call you Tim
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<timstarke> i could use my fiancées madien name too
<timstarke> :D
<shevy> like in the movie the holy grail
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<tstarke> and now...
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<shevy> no don't do that
<tstarke> I COULD PRETEND I AM TONY!
<shevy> let me screenshot why not
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<tstarke> whaaa?
<shevy> moment
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<shevy> uploading
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<shevy> xchat assigns you different colours!
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<shevy> it confuses the hell outta me
<tstarke> weird
<shevy> go back to timgauthier!
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<shevy> most excellent
<timgauthier> MOST EXCELLENT ADVENTURE
<timgauthier> ALL CAPS CRUISE CONTROL TO FUN!
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<timgauthier> that wifi
<shevy> that reveals too much excitement
<shevy> IRC is all about lazy idling to power, knowledge and success
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<LadyR> I think someone is fucking with the router.
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<shevy> lol LadyR
<timgauthier> don't do that.
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<shevy> timgauthier I forgot to ask
<shevy> do you do any 3D modelling?
<timgauthier> i did 10 years ago
<shevy> man
<timgauthier> i still CAN and do sometimes
<timgauthier> but it isn't my thing
<shevy> you keep on saying all the cool stuff that has happened 10 years ago...
<timgauthier> lol
<shevy> I can't model for crap
<shevy> although I finished the wings3d tutorial and manage to built that 3D house
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<shevy> but I'd rather want to programmatically create 3D objects through ruby
<shevy> Mon_Ouie has some cool stuff going... let me try to remember the name...
<shevy> ah yes
<shevy> timgauthier, have a look here http://mon-ouie.github.io/projects/ray.html
<shevy> I love the idea
<timgauthier> wings3d is neat, but it got really complicated to use. I bought something for mac called cheetah3d
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<timgauthier> its similar to cinema4d
<timgauthier> it can be tough to programmatically think of how a 3d model might need to be
<timgauthier> heck, it can be hard to sculpt sometimes
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<timgauthier> chipotle left, but... so tastey!
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<timgauthier> ohh, i wonder how middleman handles errors
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<timgauthier> it doesn't.. i'll have to make my own solution
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<shevy> well
<timgauthier> i'm going away for a few minutes, you be ok shevy ?
<shevy> hopefully
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<shevy> one never knows when the heart attack will strike
<timgauthier> haha
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<shevy> I don't necessarily mean to say that I would want to programmatically create a 3D object in all detail with ruby
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<timgauthier> yea
<shevy> but to like combine basic blocks to get started with something, that could be lateron improved
<shevy> you know more like a skeleton
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<shevy> but it should visually indicate the further direction
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<timgauthier> why not use R?
<timgauthier> they use that to generate medical 3d images
<shevy> I do have to learn R right now for my next job :(
<shevy> I am not that far yet hehe
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<timgauthier> what is your next jorb?
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<shevy> related to pharmacy (but also math, which I hate)
<shevy> I have to go afk for some minutes
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<timgauthier> yeah, the medical field loves R
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<workmad3> not that surprising.
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<workmad3> evidence-based medicine needs stats behind it... R is good for stats
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<peta_> hi guys
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<timgauthier> howdy
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<peta_> some days passed since my last ruby adventure … question: is there a shorter/more elegant way to do: [1,2,3].each {|e| my_func(el) }
<peta_> something like e.g. [1,2,3].each(&my_func)
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<jhass> peta_: not really. You could define my_func as def Fixnum.my_func and do .each(&:my_func) or do .each(&method(:my_func)) but I wouldn't recommend either for production code
<jhass> btw ruby doesn't have functions, only methods
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<peta_> okay .. just thought that ruby also has some syntactic sugar for this
<peta_> thx
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<LadyRainicorn> .times, but that starts at 0
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<canton7> peta_, 1.upto(3) as well
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<xybre> Also (1..3).each.
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<xybre> jhass: Ruby also has functions in the form of procs and lambdas.
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<jhass> those are more objects wrapping code though
<jhass> which you can see by the fact that you use a method to invoke them (.call / .())
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<LadyRainicorn> That has always been one of my least favourite Ruby features.
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<horrorvacui> What is wrong with it?
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<LadyRainicorn> It's inconsistent and it makes passing functions weird.
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<LadyRainicorn> And the syntax isn't great either.
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<tobiasvl> 18:33:49 shevy | tobiasvl why do you have gems in /usr/share and /usr/local/share
<tobiasvl> shevy: very good question
<LadyRainicorn> Passing a symbol instead of a function just wasn't a good design choice imo.
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<mary5030> hello smart people :) i had a question regarding why my second check doesn't get trigred
<mary5030> {|ip| ip.is_public? && !ip.is_drac?}
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<reppard> i would guess that the first is evaluating false
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<mary5030> here is_public? check on an ip works but the second statment doesn't work is that syntax corect
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<bricker> mary5030: the syntax is fine
<mary5030> no :( i wanted to get ips that has public but it is not drac, in this case it returned the drac
<shevy> well
<shevy> >> puts 'hi' if true && true
<eval-in> shevy => hi ... (https://eval.in/136386)
<shevy> >> puts 'hi' if true && false
<eval-in> shevy => nil (https://eval.in/136387)
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<shevy> >> puts 'hi' if true && !true
<eval-in> shevy => nil (https://eval.in/136388)
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<shevy> mary5030 there must be something with your methods
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<shevy> insert 'wrong' somewhere in that sentence above :P
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<timgauthier> where do we insert it?
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<horrorvacui> the front.
<mary5030> ip_addresses.any? {|ip| ip.is_public? && !ip.is_drac?}
<mary5030> that is a bet more to the cored
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<shevy> ack
<shevy> horrorvacui, you are back!
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<shevy> horrorvacui you will be pleased to hear that benzrf ran a statistic check on the #ruby channel, and determined that you were in top ten contributors to #ruby in the last week
<shevy> or in other words... you are a damn noisy chatterbox!
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<shevy> oh right now that timgauthier is here...
<timgauthier> not really
<shevy> benzrf, can you run the check again for this week? pretty please?
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<shevy> yeah I thought you are afk timgauthier
<shevy> I just came back!
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<horrorvacui> Really? Thats strange because I spent a very short amount of time on here last week.
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<reppard> mary5030: are you looking for a boolean return or a collection?
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<shevy> horrorvacui well I think the channel tends to be rather low activity, unfortunately, given there ought to be 938 folks in here :(
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<mary5030> no i basically want device that has public ips that are not drac
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<mary5030> @environment.network_devices.select do |d|
<mary5030> d.ip_addresses.any? {|ip| ip.is_public? && !ip.is_drac?}
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<shevy> lots of checks in one line
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<shevy> that this does not confuse you is impressive
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<mary5030> basically return devices that has public ip but that the public ip is not drac
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<reppard> so for better or worse that looks like it should work
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<jhass> mary5030: that returns the devices where any ip is public and not drac. Is that exactly what you want? Or do you want the devices where _none_ of the ips is public and not drac?
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<mary5030> i want devices that has public ips excluding those public that are drac
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<jhass> okay, you do know that select does not change @environment.network_devices but instead returns a new array of items matching the condition? and you do operate on that return value?
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<mary5030> yes
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<jhass> then ip.is_public? or ip.is_drac? is returning the wrong value
<mary5030> so every ip has a flag true/false that is public , drac ...
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<mary5030> i am getting devices that has drac on them
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<mary5030> i was expecting to only get device that has public but no drac, when run this in console i still get the ones with drac
<bricker> mary5030: install pry, place `binding.pry` somewhere in the block, figure out the problem in <10 seconds
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<jhass> ^ or your input data is simply wrong
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<jhass> or you don't parse it correctly
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<shevy> mary5030 if your own code confuses you, split it out over several lines and make the checks one after the other
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<mary5030> thanks guys
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<omosoj> Why doesn't this code work? I want it to change the non-prime elements of an array to zero. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/10674787
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<tobiasvl> owww the indenting hurts my eyes
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<omosoj> How do I improve that?
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<omosoj> Oops didn't indent enough..
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<tobiasvl> omosoj: 1. change {} to do..end when it's multiline 2. use an editor that indents correctly
* crome is sipping some good single malt
<tobiasvl> omosoj: I forked it: https://gist.github.com/tobiasvl/10674883 (now you have syntax highlighting too)
<tobiasvl> now LET'S LOOK at the actual code here hmmmmmmmm
<LadyRainicorn> a.map{|e| Prime.prime?(e) ? e : 0}
<omosoj> tobiasvl, thank you! The code is probably ugly. I have a lot of ideas but don't know how to convert it to code
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<omosoj> I was trying to not use the Prime function. Not sure if it's a good use of time though...
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<omosoj> This is for project euler problem 3, btw. https://projecteuler.net/problem=3
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<LadyRainicorn> Then write your own primality test and use that in lieu of prime?.
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<tobiasvl> omosoj: the problem is that you use x as an index
<LadyRainicorn> Your method is very un-Rubyesque.
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<jhass> tobiasvl: omosoj: there are essentially two conventions for do/end vs {/}: 1) as tobiasvl multiline vs single line 2) use {/} if you care about the return value and do/end if you care about the side effects
<LadyRainicorn> Are you coming from a C background?
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<tobiasvl> jhass: yep, that's worth mentioning. this one is multiline (which I used as the reason) and also we don't care about the return value.
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<omosoj> LadyRainicorn, I'm trying! ... How so? ... No, this is my first earnest effort to learn a prog language in depth.
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<omosoj> jhass, thank you.
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<LadyRainicorn> Basically the Ruby way is like what I showed. Your code works very differently from how Ruby usually does.
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<LadyRainicorn> I'm kind of surprised you're not coming from C, as that's verysimilar to what is correcr there.
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<omosoj> So the Ruby way is to use all the functions and resources available to create a simple solution?
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<tobiasvl> omosoj: if you put the line `puts "#{x}, #{y}"` above your while loop you'll see your problem
<tobiasvl> x is nil on the last run
<omosoj> Heh, I'm a little hyper logical so I suppose I tried to break it down into subparts, which I'm guessing is the style of a more low level language like C?
<tobiasvl> I'm guessing it's because you're changing the array inside the each block
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<tobiasvl> either your array[x] assignment is supposed to be something else or you'll have to find another way to do that
<LadyRainicorn> The Ruby Way typically values readability, conciseness, and development time.
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<LadyRainicorn> Sometimes at the expense of performance, though I suspectnot in this instance.
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<LadyRainicorn> Also the generality of solutions is valued.
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<omosoj> tobiasvl, I see what you're saying. Weird, ok.
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<omosoj> I'm having a hell of a time solving this problem, lol. But I need to learn the fundamentals anyway so banging my head against my desk is just a part of the process :)
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<tobiasvl> omosoj: hehe, no worries. are you sure you want to set array[x] to 0, and not the actual value you're currently at?
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<tobiasvl> I won't claim to know this algorithm
<timgauthier> shevy i'm totally still skyping my Fiancée :O!
<tobiasvl> omosoj: but if you actually want to do the latter, then use each_with_key instead of each
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<omosoj> No, setting it to 0 isn't a great idea but it's just what I came up with. Essentially is the problem is to find the greatest prime factor of a number. I started by creating an array with all the factors, and now I want to remove the factors that aren't primes.
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<omosoj> I suspect the delete_if function would be helpful here, but I couldn't figure it out.
<jhass> yep sounds like a job for reject/delete_if or even keep_if/select (select the numbers that are prime)
<tobiasvl> yeah, but regardless of the removal method: now you're looking at the number x in the array, and if the factor.length of x is not 0, then you set the xth number in the array (not x!) to 0
<kinginky> anyone have any ideas on "overriding" class methods. i need to extend the behavior of the last() method in Sequel::Model. all of my models inherit from a Base model which inherits from Sequel::Model.. i want to override Sequel::Model's last() behavior in my Base model class
<tobiasvl> is that the intended behavior y/n
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<LadyRainicorn> kinginky: prepend
<kinginky> ty Lady
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<jhass> kinginky: class methods are just normal methods defined on the class object. You can simply override them with def self.last
<timgauthier> can you make a link_to asset helper have a variable (if statement) for the actual url?
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<kinginky> jhass: that doesn't seem to be working though. since my Base model is "virtual" (has no table) Sequel gets mad with me. ill check out prepend
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<timgauthier> jhass howdy
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<havenwood> >> require 'prime'; Prime.prime_division(600851475143).max.first
<eval-in> havenwood => 6857 (https://eval.in/136420)
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<omosoj> tobiasvl, ok, so array[x] = 0 in that context would set the index number to 0, not the value?
<kinginky> and, perhaps i should be more clear. i dont want to replace the behavior, just to extend it. all i want to is "last || new", essentially
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<tobiasvl> omosoj: no it sets the value, I'm just wondering if it sets the value _you_ want it to set
<tobiasvl> but maybe it does, I'm just guessing here
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<jhass> kinginky: why do you need to change the behavior? I'd just add a new method, last_or_initialize, to not confuse new devs to my project that know sequel already
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<kinginky> jhass: ill just go that route. not worth the trouble anyway
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<tobiasvl> omosoj: after running your code the array is modified thus: run #1: [2, 2]; run #2: [4, 2]; run #3: [5, 2]; run #4: [7, 2]; run #5: [0, 2]; run #6: [0, 2]; run #7: [nil, 2]
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<timgauthier> why isn't it letting me join #rubyonrails ... what is up with my irc
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<jhass> timgauthier: /msg NickServ help
<tobiasvl> timgauthier: /msg nickserv register PASSWORD
<timgauthier> you need to have a registered username ?
<tobiasvl> yes
<timgauthier> ahhh
<omosoj> tobiasvl, yeah something is screwy there.
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<tobiasvl> omosoj: so do you want to set x to 0? or the xth number to 0?
<tobiasvl> the latter is what you're doing now
<tobiasvl> the former can be done with each_with_index, so you know your current index
<timgauthier> what does nickserv mean by key?
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<omosoj> tobiasvl, the xth number, but I'm thinking that this isn't the best approach.
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<evenix> hi all
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<evenix> is there a trick to 'require' a remote file from github or an url?
<evenix> without having to bundle install it or add it to the gem list?
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<Hanmac1> not possible as far as i know
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<Hanmac1> without downloading the file manualy
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<evenix> thx for the quick answer Hanmac1
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<shevy> you could download and eval() it!
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<tobiasvl> evenix: if your project is a git repo you could add the remote project as a submodule
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<benzrf> yelo
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<timgauthier> shevy muahaha, bricker just helped me on #ror to produce a monster evil erb string!
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<bricker> timgauthier: I did no such thing
<timgauthier> :P
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<timgauthier> "no logic in the view" muahahaha <%= link_to 'Journal', (current_page.data[:active].present? ? "/journal/2/index.html" : "/journal/index.html"), {}, { :class => ("active" if current_page.data[:active].presence == 'journal')} %>
<timgauthier> except technically this is a controller, since it produces a static HTML view
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<shevy> timgauthier omg
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<timgauthier> hahaha
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<timgauthier> muahahahaha!
<bricker> timgauthier: woa man don't blame that shit on me!
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<newton> bricker's street cred is on the line now
<timgauthier> well, you helped me figure out the logic.... I made the evil. Its like a dictator thanking a country for helping him do something evil, when they did something in good faith.
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<timgauthier> and now... i eat food
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<Hanmac1> timgauthier: didnt you mean #RubyOnRails ?
<timgauthier> ywes
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<shevy> wow
<shevy> OpenSSL has 6_740 goto statements
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<tobiasvl> :D
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<crome> okay, everyone stop using it!
<crome> oh, wait
<Mon_Ouie> Well, how would you handle errors in C? It doesn't have an exception mechanism.
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<Hanmac1> shevy you need to read it different ... it has "only" 6_740 goto statements ;P
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<DouweM> exceptions are a lot like goto
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<benzrf> Mon_Ouie: using return codes
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<benzrf> too bad C doesnt have monads to automate passing-upward of return codes :I
<benzrf> Either monad ftw
<DouweM> benzrf: can't jump to error handlers without goto/exceptions
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<Mon_Ouie> benzrf: That doesn't solve the problem. They use both gotos and return codes.
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<Mon_Ouie> The problem is when you need to create resources in a function, then an error occurs. You need to stop the execution but still free the resources you've already created (and only those)
<benzrf> bbl I:
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<centrex> I need some help, I need to write a ruby script that takes certain system logs and directories, and creates a .tgz in a specific structure with all the logs, including any rotated logs. Does anyone have a working example script or suggestions on where to start looking?
<jhass> centrex: I'd just build the target structure i /tmp and then shell out to tar
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<beanHolez> I have an array of objects, from which I need to select some elements matching a criterion, and move them to the front of the array. What is the cleanest way to do this?
<jhass> beanHolez: .sort_by or .sort with a block
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<beanHolez> jhass: Can't do that in this case, the rest of the array MUST remain in the order it is in
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<beanHolez> I suppose I could map over the array, deleting the element from within the block, then just unshift + flatten back to the array
<jhass> >> [3, 1, 2].sort {|a, b| 0 }
<eval-in> jhass => [3, 1, 2] (https://eval.in/136460)
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<beanHolez> Ahhh, thanks jhass
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<timgauthier> whaaa!
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<timgauthier> what is a return code?
<apeiros> a code which is returned
<jhass> usually with an assigned meaning
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<apeiros> well, that's what the word "code" means
<jhass> like success, couldn't open this file, why are you calling me like that etc
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<apeiros> if it doesn't have a meaning, it's not code
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<jhass> people tend to forget that
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<shevy> timgauthier methods will always return something even if you do not use the keyword "return"
<timgauthier> ah ok
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<timgauthier> so thats how present and presence work
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<timgauthier> you're tell it to return so it does nil or true, or you can ask for it to return nil or "value"
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<jhass> hmm
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<jhass> presence is just value if value.present?
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<jhass> (self if present? to be precise)
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<jhass> also note that present? and presence aren't ruby core methods, activesupport adds them
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<timgauthier> ah ok
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<centrex> I want to copy a file with ruby, using Fileutils.cp but I'm not sure what the best way is to check to see if the file exists first, so it doesn't throw an error
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<centrex> any suggestions?
<jhass> if the source exists?
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<centrex> correct
<timgauthier> jhass i was going to actually come and say that, since i now know it sort of :P
<centrex> is that an option to FileUtils.cp or should I just check if the file exists first?
<timgauthier> if file.exsists? or something?
<jhass> File.exists?
<timgauthier> agh i see your question, i'm too new
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<Mon_Ouie> The exception can still happen, as it won't stop anyone from removing the file between your check and you copying it.
<banister> Mon_Ouie hello frenchman
<Mon_Ouie> banister: 'alut
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<timgauthier> the guys in Rubyonrails seem way more serious then european day time guys in ruby..
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<shevy> hehe
<shevy> you notice a culture shock already, don't you?
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<timgauthier> yes
<timgauthier> i like this place better
<DouweM> timgauthier: #rubyonrails gets a lot more noobs, so there's always people to help. here, half the time it's just a couple of regulars shooting the shit
<shevy> now here comes the best part
<shevy> there are quite plenty of japanese ruby users, but almost none of them actively uses IRC!
<timgauthier> wow
<timgauthier> yah, ruby comes from Japan right?
<popl> DouweM: I don't know. There seems to be a good share of newbies here.
<shevy> yea
<popl> Nothing like ##php though.
<timgauthier> but I've never seen anything in the ruby community that was japanese
<DouweM> popl: I haven't been in #rubyonrails for a while, but I remember a lot more fresh faces there
<timgauthier> other then white people using japanese refrences
<DouweM> popl: in the sense of one-time-help-seekers
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<shevy> haha
<popl> otaku
<shevy> I code like a ninja
<DouweM> this chan has a larger ratio of regular/newbie I think
<timgauthier> heroku
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<popl> DouweM: perhaps
<shevy> that means I stab others in the back, then take their code and assimilate it
<timgauthier> hahaha
<timgauthier> sweet
<popl> poorly
<popl> ;P
<timgauthier> you add one gem to your file and suddenly you have tripled your bundle install time
<timgauthier> wait, there are new users in ##PHP? why would new people wanna use it :|
<timgauthier> i thought PHP was supposed to be dying, that is why i'm here
<horrorvacui> PHP is like a large planet, it has a huge gravitational pull.
<popl> No language that people say is dying is dying.
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<popl> That's just their way of saying they think the language sucks.
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<timgauthier> ugh, the clang error again... back to stack overflow to my self answer to copy that stupid line
<popl> Some people have valid reasons, others just believe the FUD.
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<shevy> timgauthier does bundler make you happy?
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<timgauthier> no
<shevy> timgauthier php is not dying, but it should. it deserves it
<timgauthier> not always
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<timgauthier> bundler is neat, does some cool things
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<timgauthier> actually yeah i like bundler, i dislike clang
<timgauthier> is there anyway to make the gem file include the extra big to tell CLANG to shush and work anyhow?
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<popl> shevy: The IRC channel is fucking mental.
<popl> I don't go there if I can help it.
<havenwood> i've never been, what's it like?
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<timgauthier> the php channel?
<popl> havenwood: whores and wookiees
<havenwood> hmm, sounds pretty good actually
<timgauthier> i jusut joined
<timgauthier> not sure what to do with a wookie whore
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<havenwood> i guess with facebook switching from php to hack, the php folk lost their most famous user
<shevy> a spooky whore?
<jhass> timgauthier: my fix to clang errors usually is export CC=gcc
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<shevy> so much clang hate here
<jhass> I like clang
<timgauthier> i don't mind clang, i just want it to work
<jhass> it's actually my default compiler
<timgauthier> well thats like twitter switching from ruby/rails
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<timgauthier> what is hack
<jhass> I just don't bother fixing projects that depend on gcc to work on clang
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<shevy> hack is social php
<timgauthier> this was nokigri
<timgauthier> what is social php, and how is that different then normal php
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<havenwood> timgauthier: Except Twitter still uses Rails, they just stopped doing janky backend stuff with Ruby.
<timgauthier> !g hack language
<havenwood> timgauthier: http://hacklang.org/
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<timgauthier> ugh page so slow
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<timgauthier> i still don't know what makes it social but ok
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<havenwood> just a fugly facebook language, doubt anyone else will use it
<havenwood> dunno
<timgauthier> its just php
<timgauthier> with a fancy interface
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<timgauthier> and harder for me to read
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<shevy> haha
<gre-> hello
<timgauthier> gre- aloha
<gre-> aloha :)
<shevy> timgauthier it's social because facebook is a social app!
<Mon_Ouie> It's social because it uses Facebook as a SCM system! You share and discuss your code with your coworkers right on Facebook!
<timgauthier> shevy i just had an urge to write a macro ... its coming back, the old mIRC days
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<timgauthier> Mon_Ouie ugh
<timgauthier> i wonder what internal Facebook looks like
<timgauthier> and how long until they market that as a service
<shevy> please don't
<shevy> you should not wonder about everything
<timgauthier> when i eventually have kids, they'll be issued a login and password based on their birth certificate
<slash_nick> timgauthier: pirch rules, mirc drools
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<shevy> see that is a responsibility for future generations
<shevy> ugly languages must die
<timgauthier> when you get a job, you add that workplace as "working at" on FB, and they accept, and then you suddenly have access to the intrabook
<timgauthier> no i didn't mean php part shevy i meant the using Facebook internally at work part
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<gre-> i think i invented a new code: http://pastebin.com/ZU7DYwtk don't laugh please... i just read an article on ruby, i need to learn more, if some of you could help me to correct this code (if its understandable) it would be very helpful, thank you.
<shevy> hey guys, any of you knows if I can install ruby on windows in harddisc d?
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<slash_nick> timgauthier: Pirch98's PILs, events, remotes, aliases provided my first exposure to scripting.. used mIRC sometimes, but it was way too ugly of a GUI
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<shevy> mIRC was ugly but very simplistic
<timgauthier> i was a kid, and i used mIRC to communicate with my gaming friends, and the mod i worked on as a 3d modelling attemptee... i didn't actually care about scripting that much
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<havenwood> gre-: You're currently leaving the file open. Rather than explicitly closing a file it is nice to use a File.open block so it self-closes.
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<slash_nick> those days were fun... /runscript [MASSGREET]
<gre-> havenwood: actually i didn't close it coz server.log is changing every second
<shevy> so you were that spammer
<gre-> i have to interact with this file
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<shevy> gre- with a block it gets very easy File.new { }
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<slash_nick> shevy: haha... I was an operator in several channels on DALnet.. I could've gotten away with ascii murder.
<shevy> lol
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<shevy> ascii murder
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<shevy> what a way to die
<timgauthier> where the heck is this nm
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<timgauthier> sometimes it is easier to write nm and hit return then backspace
<gre-> but.. is my little program is understandable for you?
* slash_nick ( ・_・)σ '````'-.,_,.-.,_,.©¤ shevy
<gre-> i mean... can it work?
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<havenwood> shevy: File#new doesn't take block like File#open
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<timgauthier> shevy do you guys have to put impressiums on everything over there?
<shevy> timgauthier over where?
<timgauthier> in austria
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<shevy> timgauthier impressiums?
<gre-> shevy: can you correct me this code pls?
<slash_nick> Impressum - An Impressum is a legally mandated statement of the ownership and authorship of a document, which must be included in books, newspapers, magazines and websites published in Germany and certain other German-speaking countries, such as Austria and Switzerland.
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<shevy> wtf
<timgauthier> oh, look at that slash
<shevy> how can he name his file impressium.html
<shevy> yet in the body he writes "Impressum:"
<havenwood> gre-: i think you mean `line =~ //`, right? better to: File.open('...') do |file|
<timgauthier> hahaha he can because you only link it from the footer but yeah
<timgauthier> look at that picture
<timgauthier> LOOK AT DEM
<gre-> havenwood: yes sorry, i forgot this
<shevy> timgauthier yeah, some jurisdiction ruled that you must "identify" your contact data when you run a website
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<timgauthier> yeah, what do you do for that in english? do you generate a big legal "we are not liable" type thing, or just put the contact info?
<shevy> usually you put the full legalese in there just to assume that you are covered against idiots being idiots
<shevy> there are actually lawyers living off on being parasites like that
<shevy> like "copyright infringement" trolls
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<timgauthier> yea, i heard there are troll lawyers who will send you a notice saying you are missing your impressum and then send you a bill.
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<timgauthier> in canada that would not be legal, and they would be disbarred, but i don't know how europe works with that type of thing
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<shevy> europe adopts a lot of US-centric world views, and on top of that added a lot of further bureaucracy
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<timgauthier> sad really
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<timgauthier> i don't want to talk about that, it would make me depressed
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<shevy> yeah
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<shevy> ruby is better than politics and laws
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<mac_cosmo> never heard “impressium” is that a typo?
<shevy> yeah
<shevy> he wanted to write "impressum"
<mac_cosmo> :D
<timgauthier> yea
<shevy> I dont know why timgauthier copied that error!
<timgauthier> english is my first language, and i suck at it
<mac_cosmo> tought, maybe a austrian thing..
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<shevy> hey
<mac_cosmo> *an
<shevy> I'm gonna send the Terminator to you
<timgauthier> lol
<shevy> with his styrian accent
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<timgauthier> don't make me speak saschen
<timgauthier> did i spell it right this time?
<mac_cosmo> sächsisch?
<timgauthier> ja
<shevy> god
<timgauthier> hahaha
<shevy> sächsisch is so awful
<timgauthier> better then baviarian
<timgauthier> or austiran
<mac_cosmo> better?! :D
<timgauthier> austrian
<timgauthier> sounds like you are messing up the middles of words
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<timgauthier> MDR had a programme with an austrian reading something, it was fun to listen too because it sounded complete gibberish. Even my German Fiancée couldn't understand most of it.
<mac_cosmo> the bavarian dialect is the best of all german dialects
<timgauthier> nein
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<mac_cosmo> doch!
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<timgauthier> Bavarian ist seltsam
<timgauthier> :P
<timgauthier> I am living near Zwickau, its all saxony for me
<mac_cosmo> everytime i leave my bavarian environment, its like going to foreign countries ..
<shevy> timgauthier bavarian and the austrian dialects are quite close phonetically, much much closer than what is spoken in north germany
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<timgauthier> the documentation for middleman's blogging part is good, except for this one part that isn't working out well, but that is because they want you to just use their scaffold, which i am refusing
<timgauthier> yes
<timgauthier> and north germany is... weird, I mean you have Hannover and Hamburg which think they are the centre of Germany, but then you get to the northern Boweren (is that the plural bower?) and wow...
<slash_nick> mac_cosmo: I wonder if you've read Candide... the Baron's castle is the most magnificent of castles.. his lady the best of all possible Baronesses
<timgauthier> I hear saschish and i imagine them hanging out with the romans
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<mac_cosmo> to be honest, i had to look up, what candide is :D
<timgauthier> ugh i may have to just make a quick side folder to scaffold this crap into :| so glad i can just copy gemfiles!
<slash_nick> mac_cosmo: it's just got a lot of "this X is the best of all possible Y"... starts off in Westphalia
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<shevy> timgauthier Hamburg has a lot of green areas, i liked that, Hannover had that huge strange design with like the subway underground but right atop of it is this huge connected space that makes the center seem like a big shopping place
<mac_cosmo> “… der die beste aller möglichen Welten postulierte …”
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<shevy> it feels like you leave the train and enter a big half-open shopping center
<mac_cosmo> but they don’t have mac_cosmo.
<timgauthier> I haven't ever been to hannover, I know people from there though. Hamburg is neat, but I much prefer Dresdin
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<shevy> ya, Dresden is cool
<shevy> except for the damaged buildings :P
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<timgauthier> Dresden is my favourite city
<timgauthier> Which shevy, they've finished Frauen Kirche
<timgauthier> and I actually didn't see any bombed out ruins, just black everything *shakes fist at spiteful british*
<mac_cosmo> ever been to nuremberg/nürnberg?
<shevy> nah, I mean buildings away from there, it seemed as if post wolrd war II damage did not recieve a lot of funding for many many years there
<shevy> in Dresden
<shevy> nuremburg is awesome
<timgauthier> yeah shevy thats because they only started getting money to fix things 20 years ago
<timgauthier> and no i haven't been to nuremburg yet
<shevy> I tried to run up the castle non stop and ended up panting like an idiot
<timgauthier> or berlin :S
<shevy> yeah timgauthier
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<shevy> no money for eastern germany!
<timgauthier> the villages in east germany are better off then a lot of the big cities
<shevy> or they repaired leipzig and had no money for dresden left ;P
<timgauthier> naw, it isn't that they don't have money, they get west money now, its the whole being under communism and them wanting to destroy everything german
<shevy> my cousin lives and works there now btw, at a physicist institute (space agencay bla)
<shevy> *agency
<timgauthier> leipzig still has some broken stuff too, saw more there then in dresdin
<timgauthier> cool, in liepzig?
<shevy> for me it was the other way
<shevy> leipzig looked to be in better health than dresden
<timgauthier> yea
<timgauthier> thats true
<timgauthier> i think it is an uglier stat though
<shevy> but dresden is much more beautiful than leipzig
<shevy> despite its ruins!
<timgauthier> yup
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<timgauthier> went into the court yard in the museum, first time i've felt like i was in europe!
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<shevy> timgauthier what I loved in nuremburg were those small canals
<timgauthier> it was stereo typically european, and quite awe inspiring, considering it was a damn courtyard
<timgauthier> oh?
<shevy> I thought nuremburg was the coolest town, until I saw similar canals in another town, and I've been there, which since then was my favourite town - treviso http://www.caflorian.it/immagini/treviso5.jpg
<mac_cosmo> dont forget the castle
<timgauthier> oh those "canals" are just the river
<timgauthier> the other city I live in, Erfurt, has those too
<mac_cosmo> and lebkuchen, and bratwurst
<timgauthier> its river control to help stop flooding
<timgauthier> mmm lebkuchen
<shevy> timgauthier nuremburg is also cool though, look at this, it's like castle built next or even atop of a river! http://goo.gl/FpCJej
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<shevy> never been to Erfurt
<shevy> but the name alone inspires fear
<shevy> fear of going there to watch at a "furt"
<shevy> haha
<timgauthier> you call that a castle, i call it a manor, or a schloss
<timgauthier> what does furt mean?
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<shevy> a Furt is a passage btw, usually over a river, smaller than a bridge usually
<shevy> a very boring thing
<timgauthier> I was under the impression it means similar to english "Fjord"
<timgauthier> yeah, then thats exactly efurt, it was a bridge for trade carts over a small river
<slash_nick> hmm... ford?
<shevy> hmm fjord... fjord is something else or? like when ice melts and creates something, then goes away again?
<mac_cosmo> @timgauthier http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Nürnberg_Burg_DSCF2858.jpg
<slash_nick> fjord is icelandic, i believe
<mac_cosmo> thats just a part of it
<timgauthier> a long narrow inlet with steep sides of cliffs
<shevy> timgauthier at least now you know why Erfurt is an awful name for a town to have haha
<timgauthier> so yeah a ford? a water crossing
<shevy> aha
<timgauthier> yes shevy, well thats what the town was ;)
<slash_nick> timgauthier: ford is what you likely mean... a river ford is a place where you can cross without a bridge... and fording a river is crossing without a bridge
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<mac_cosmo> just take a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Castle
* slash_nick 's name is Hosford
<shevy> I actually liked nuremburg more than munich too
<shevy> Regensburg is also ok, a bit too small though and gets boring soon
<mac_cosmo> < born and raised in nuremberg, now living in munich
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<timgauthier> yeah, they had a furt, then a bridge, then they put market carts on that bridge, and then the bridge burned down, then they built a stone bridge, then the stone bridge got buildings on it, and now its a stone bridge with houses on it and a fury next too it that everyone plays in during the summer
<shevy> see that's the thing with bavarians, they all flock towards munich in the end ;P
<timgauthier> also the first mention was from a monk in 700 something
<shevy> chris2 on #ruby-lang is also in munich I think
<shevy> lol timgauthier
<shevy> what a story
<slash_nick> timgauthier: where is that?
<shevy> just like monty python holy grail
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<timgauthier> Erfurt is the capital of Thüringia
<shevy> "King of Swamp Castle: When I first came here, this was all swamp."
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<timgauthier> hahaha shevy
<shevy> "Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp."
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<mac_cosmo> rofl :D
<slash_nick> reminds me of the "The Bridge on the Drina", but you guys are talking about Germany
<shevy> "So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp."
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<shevy> "So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp."
<shevy> "But the fourth one stayed up."
<shevy> hehe
<mac_cosmo> laughing my ass off :D
<timgauthier> haha the delivery of those was better in the film
<shevy> a bit hard to cover a movie into IRC
<timgauthier> also your mother smells like elderberries
<shevy> just imagine an awesome british accent
<shevy> and your mother was a hamster!
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<shevy> shame they didn't make more movies
<timgauthier> fudge, you guys got me so distracted i forgot to paste the command in bash and i have to go back to stackoverflow
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<benzrf> timgauthier: >not using glipper
<benzrf> what is this, the 90s?
<timgauthier> why does azure have an icon on SO!?
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<benzrf> hmm
<benzrf> if i update a value from one thread
<benzrf> how can i have another thread wait until it is updated to a specific one
<timgauthier> is there a watch command?
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<shevy> benzrf via mutex perhaps?
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<timgauthier> i've never seen an icon on a tag in SO before
<benzrf> does rubinius have any significant downsides over yarv
<timgauthier> yarv is shorter to type
<benzrf> kek
<mac_cosmo> lol :D
<timgauthier> to me that is a big downside
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<benzrf> from what im looking at rubinius seems to be generally better o-o
<benzrf> is it just the plan 9 eff-wait i typed this before
<timgauthier> what?
<benzrf> plan 9 effect
<timgauthier> ok.
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<timgauthier> when it is midnight your office chair automatically gets louder and squeakier... especially when everyone else in the house is asleep.
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<DouweM> benzrf: rubinius is cool, but slower I guess? because most if not all of the stdlib is ruby as opposed to yarv's C
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<benzrf> wha?
<benzrf> i thought it was faster on avg o-o
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<DouweM> yeah I'm just guessing here, I just know C wins when it's Ruby vs C
<shevy> hmm
<DouweM> I have no idea of benchmarks
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<timgauthier> is glipper something i can use on mac?
<timgauthier> !g glipper
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<timgauthier> ok yeah not at all a mac thing
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<mac_cosmo> couldn't find a thing for mac os
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<timgauthier> yea
<mac_cosmo> but i’m fine with textmate’s copy/paste history
<timgauthier> me either
<timgauthier> text mate does copy paste history?
<timgauthier> textmate2?
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<shevy> dunno
<mac_cosmo> ctrl + cmd + option + v
<shevy> come to linux man
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<mac_cosmo> textmate 1
<timgauthier> i'm on unix, close enough :D
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<shevy> come closer
<shevy> :D
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<shevy> matz uses linux!
<timgauthier> that... opens evernote :P
<shevy> though debian
<shevy> which you should not
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<timgauthier> os x is like debian
<timgauthier> WOAH! japanse!
<shevy> nah
<shevy> osx is probably saner than debian
<shevy> it doesn't split up packages all over the place, does it?
<timgauthier> packages being apps?
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<shevy> well
<shevy> components of the apps
<shevy> for instancel, -devel usually means header files
<shevy> or "development files"
<shevy> or just -dev
<timgauthier> an app is a container evernote.app is a folder with all of the app's resources, binaries, etc inside
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<shevy> I don't even know how osx works
<mac_cosmo> you dont mess around with packages
<shevy> what is .app, an archive?
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<mac_cosmo> you have osx and your binaries from 3rd party vendors
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<shevy> huh
<timgauthier> but it may create a ~/library/application \support entry that contains configs and user preferences sometimes in a .plist, it also uses that location to cache
<mac_cosmo> or brew (3rd party package manager)
<timgauthier> shevy yeah, you just don't touch that stuff really :P
<mac_cosmo> .app is an directory
<timgauthier> its very sanitary and clean ;)
<mac_cosmo> *a directory
<timgauthier> yup
<shevy> at least brew is written in ruby
<mac_cosmo> but transparent for the gui user
<timgauthier> ruby is included in os x
<shevy> debian's apt-get/aptitude/dpkg is in perl, perhaps some other language too
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<timgauthier> mac honestly, i love the fact that the gui covers all the ugly bits in mac, but if you want you can dig into stuff
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<mac_cosmo> when they click on an *.app directory (app), os x will start the main binary file
<timgauthier> its more complicated then that mac_cosmo
<timgauthier> but yea
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<timgauthier> it loads an index .plist file that contains launch information that then opens the binary and mounts the dir
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<DouweM> mounts it?
<timgauthier> I KNOW LOTS ABOUT THIS, why? not a freaked clue...
<timgauthier> into memory
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<timgauthier> not really "mount" but it connects all of the resources, within the dir and any dependancies in the system and library folders
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<timgauthier> it has done that since like os 9
<DouweM> ah right
<timgauthier> though, it may have changed with sandboxing, there is likely an api now in there
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<DouweM> I must say I've never thought about how that actually works. Even though I've done quite a lot of Mac development, the .app has mostly been a black box to em
<DouweM> *me
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<timgauthier> and i know that the entire process happens in a way where if you feed a .zip to the system and try to pretend it is a .png and make the system load an image + virus the system says, this image doesn't work and halts the load, stopping the file from executing
<mac_cosmo> @timgauthier i’m not sure if you need the info.plist
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<timgauthier> yeah, I was apple product certified, but i still don't know why i know that
<shevy> timgauthier ok say you want to uninstall something, how do you do that?
<shevy> for instance, ruby
<timgauthier> mac_cosmo probably not, it likely does a best guess
<mac_cosmo> name.app/MacOS/name will do, i think
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<timgauthier> you drag that .app folder into the trash
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<shevy> what about the gems that might have been installed?
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<timgauthier> and if you want to clean up you go to ~/library/application \support/application-name and delete that
<shevy> i.e. if you install ruby again
<timgauthier> gems are just folders in there too, so you can delete em
<mac_cosmo> think like ruby behave a little bit different
<shevy> ah ok so they reside inside of that ruby.app or whatever the name is
<mac_cosmo> *think == know
<timgauthier> command line apps are a bit more difficult, gems you could just clear out their folder etc
<shevy> I kinda jumped from windows right into linux :\
<timgauthier> ruby/gems/command line crap are smattered all over the place. they don't change system files, but they do populate your ~/ folder
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<shevy> I tried to befriend the BSDs but somehow I never felt they really gave me a serious advantage over linux anywhere
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<timgauthier> i'd have to delete the user version of ruby that i have installed, then i'd have to go into the gem folder and the bundle folders and delete those
<mac_cosmo> you have to separate user-friendly-gui things -> *.app
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<timgauthier> yah for ruby stuff shevy linux is identical to mac
<timgauthier> because once you enter the terminal on os x you are just running unix
<mac_cosmo> almost yep
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<timgauthier> with a wicked awesome window manager
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<mac_cosmo> have you ever tried to jailbreak an iphone/ipad? its almost the same
<Rylee> Can anyone see anything wrong with the following line?
<Rylee> JSON.load HTTParty.get @base_url + path, opts.merge @myauth
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<timgauthier> best thing I ever did was have a customer ask if I could run R on an apple to do some statistical analysis things, and i just loaded up google for the command and just ran it in terminal.
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<mac_cosmo> the ipad has a nice gui with apps and shit. and then you have ssh and the world of commandline :D
<timgauthier> He was like a windows user or something, it blew his mind when a window popped up to render out the result for him
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<benzrf> idk im not the biggest fan of osx's wm I:
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<benzrf> no true maximizing??
<benzrf> im sorry wut
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<benzrf> also, closing all windows != quit?!
<mac_cosmo> thats one of the best things in mac os
<benzrf> also, lack of good wm shortcuts
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<DouweM> benzrf: yeah, app != window
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<DouweM> benzrf: and I rarely want to "true maximize" anyway. although that was definitely hard to get used to when switching from windows
<mac_cosmo> there’s fullscreen support, but i dont know why you would surf the web in fullscreen
<DouweM> me neither. I've a 27" inch display, you'd be crazy to run anything full screen on that
<DouweM> except for movies obvs
<shevy> kiosk users!
<mac_cosmo> lol :D
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<timgauthier> benzrf it IS true maximizing, it maximizes to the content, what is with people and this obsession of having a window fill a screen?
<DouweM> I do use Divvy though for tiling
<benzrf> bahar:
<benzrf> *bah
<DouweM> timgauthier: +1
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<benzrf> w-well
<timgauthier> also why would i want safari to quit when i close the last tab?
<benzrf> it's
<benzrf> it's not floss!
<timgauthier> how hard is cmd Q if you wanna close your app?
<DouweM> why would I want Mail to stop fetching mail when I close its window
<DouweM> Why would I want Chrome to stop downloading files when I close the last tab
<timgauthier> how does filling your window make it floss?
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<DouweM> why would I want iTunes to stop playing when I close its window
<DouweM> etc etc etc
<DouweM> the app/window distinction makes perfect sense to me
<timgauthier> i actually loved the not filling my screen maximize when i switched. blew my mind
<shevy> you done it guys
<DouweM> apps can of course self destruct when their last window closes, if staying alive doesn't make sense
<mac_cosmo> yep
<shevy> you spoiled benzrf now
<mac_cosmo> lol :D
<timgauthier> honestly, imagine safari filling your window full width on a 27-inch iMac.. so much empty space!
<DouweM> ew
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<shevy> benzrf got overwhelmed with the enthusiasm
<benzrf> still not FLOSS ;-;
<timgauthier> but cmd f does what benzrf wants on some apps ;)
<shevy> see?
<timgauthier> yes you are correct benzrf
<shevy> IT IS STILL NOT FLOSS!!!
<timgauthier> IT IS NOT FLOSS
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<timgauthier> THATS FOR YOUR TEETH SILLY
<shevy> haha
* TTilus is gonna apply dental floss
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<TTilus> and then Zzzz
<shevy> wow
<shevy> dental floss
<shevy> open source for your teeth?
<timgauthier> its not floss, so it actually got finished, all the features work as advertise, and it only does what they felt was valuable to spend time on
<benzrf> >:(
<timgauthier> 3d print new teeth
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<timgauthier> after they fall out from how jaw droopingly awesome the 3 lines of code i've managed to write in the last hour are!
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<timgauthier> blog.year_link
<timgauthier> yup, thats what i wrote
<timgauthier> actually i copy pasted it
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<timgauthier> and i am not sure the syntax for what i am putting after it even!
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<timgauthier> it worked so who cares!
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<mac_cosmo> holy crap it’s 12:36am
<timgauthier> yea
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<timgauthier> and i'm still not done one thing from today
<mac_cosmo> i went home early to get things done
<timgauthier> hahaha
<timgauthier> GTD fail?
<mac_cosmo> not even one line.
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<timgauthier> its a shame irc doesn't tell you how many lines you typed in a session
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<shevy> textmate is written in C++?
<timgauthier> whynot
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<shevy> std::vector<entry_ptr> entry_t::kNoChildren(1, entry_ptr());
<shevy> that makes erb look pleasent
<shevy> std::multimap<std::string, entry_ptr, text::less_t> directories, files;
<shevy> wow
<shevy> those <> are the worst part
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<timgauthier> yes
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<timgauthier> why do you hate <% so much?
<timgauthier> is that a shared hate, is that why people made handlebars?
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<shevy> < is pretty ugly
<timgauthier> {{ is better?
<shevy> but < in combination with special notations is worse
<shevy> oh do you see {php? anything?
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<centrx> <?php
<mac_cosmo> < < less to type
<timgauthier> << is what?
<mac_cosmo> which is a good thing
<shevy> << in ruby is usually append to
<mac_cosmo> no one said <<
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<timgauthier> ah mybad ok
<shevy> timgauthier said it :-)
<mac_cosmo> < == arrow :D
<shevy> <?ruby
<shevy> def foo; puts 'hi!'; end; foo
<shevy> ?>
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<timgauthier> yeah <% and <%= is much better
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<shevy> ack
<timgauthier> plus no needing to print crap out (php)
<shevy> ack
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<timgauthier> if i could write erb and type {{ i'd be ok
<crome> I genuinely hate <%=
<shevy> ack ack
<shevy> crome! my brother!
<timgauthier> really? wow
<timgauthier> interesting
<timgauthier> what do you use instead?
<mac_cosmo> lol
<shevy> what I hate in the typical erb code I see is
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<timgauthier> how do you make views
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<shevy> that it isn't just one use of <%=
<crome> timgauthier: usually haml
<shevy> literally every line has it
<timgauthier> shevy that yeah is dumb
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<timgauthier> but sadly .erb does want blocks to be like that
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<timgauthier> crome thats cool, HAML is too dense and odd for me
<mac_cosmo> switched from haml back to erb in the last 2 years :|
<timgauthier> concise though
<shevy> :D
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<shevy> mac_cosmo are you at least happy now?
<crome> it can be odd indeed but I find the strict whitespace based syntax pretty good for markup and layout
<timgauthier> i'm trying to figure out how to make a link that automatically takes me to the latest blog post...
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<timgauthier> i wonder what happens if i append .last too something
<mac_cosmo> i miss the the automatic indention of haml
<timgauthier> crome i have my own whitespace considerations i use, lots of it in my editor, gets me into trouble though, so i can't even use sass, has to be scss
<shevy> timgauthier cant you just pipe it through your custom method
<timgauthier> what do you mean shevy ?
<shevy> that method will return a pointer to whatever is the last blog entry
<shevy> link_to last_blog_entry()
<timgauthier> yeah i don't really know how, i'm trying to understand how middleman would know
<shevy> I dont know myself either
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<shevy> I actually find rack insanely complicated
<shevy> .cgi is so much simpler!
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<shevy> unfortunately it is also very limited
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<timgauthier> i usually figure this functionality out from the pagination, but in middleman that seems to be a very different beast
<crome> rack is actually not that complicated
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<timgauthier> no latest in the helpers
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<shevy> crome crome do you know all these? http://pastie.org/9080840
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<crome> shevy: *of course* I dont know all of these but the reason why rack is not that complicated is because all that crap are in nice layered modules
<shevy> I like that you used the word crap :D
<timgauthier> closest i get is "A list of all blog articles, sorted by descending date" i guess i could somehow pick from there..
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<timgauthier> i guess i could do the same hack i did with jekyll at first... just pageant show the first article in full then offset by one and do the rest.
<shevy> somehow you are back to jekyll again
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<timgauthier> naw, remember, i am translateing jekyll into erb
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<timgauthier> aha! so rubyrific!
<crome> why would you do such a thing
<timgauthier> blog.articles.first.url
<timgauthier> because i'm leaving jekyll to go to middle... i'm not going to explain this again...
<timgauthier> :P
<shevy> do you guys ever have this problem:
<crome> fair enough
<crome> have fun
<timgauthier> where a noob comes and asks rails/app specific questions in a room that isn't for those? :P
<shevy> from $FOO/bla.rb to /Users/foo/bla.rb
<shevy> ?
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<timgauthier> crome i like jekyll a lot, it just doesn't do some things i need, so i'm using middleman now
<timgauthier> but yeah, i feel so pumped that i figured this out "blog.articles.first.url"
<shevy> does it not have any docu
<crome> I was just about to ask
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<shevy> I mean it could be
<shevy> blog.cats.mice.dogs
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<shevy> timgauthier be lucky that you work with ruby, I have to read stupid R tutorials and write R code :(
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<timgauthier> haha yeah
<shevy> and re-learn math, god... I was so happy to forget all of higher math years ago, now I have to relearn it...
<timgauthier> the amount of excited I am by the fact that this thing does exactly what I expect is ... well its childish
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<timgauthier> haha, what type of project is it again? pharma? you doing a web thing or an app thing?
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<shevy> dunno really
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<timgauthier> whenever people in #php ask questions i feel so tempted to say use ruby
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<timgauthier> i'm at that stage of my conversion
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<shevy> it will probably be some boring data mining through terabytes of boring genomes and proteomes datasets
<timgauthier> i'm still a zealot, but not yet wise enough to know how to use my new found tools only when needed
<timgauthier> sweet, infomatics!
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<shevy> in february I had to load up a postgresql database with boring data and then wonder how these are all interconnected
<shevy> from different formats too
<shevy> but at least I did not have to give statistical analysis or display the shit in any graph
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<mg^> sounds like my honors thesis
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<mg^> had to load up a months worth of network samples and analyze various stats about them
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<mg^> unfortunately I did have to display grapsh
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<mg^> and write a 50-page paper about them
<shevy> hehe
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<timgauthier> what was the data?
<timgauthier> network samples?
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<mg^> specifically BGP updates from various network providers
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<shevy> ewww
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<timgauthier> my friend here did his bachelors in business, his thesis was about increasing ridership on public transit. He got metric craptons of data from various cities in germany, and then made this huge .xls file with it and then copied and pasted stuff into word... They updated all of the data 3 weeks before his paper was due, after no updates for 2 years before that
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<timgauthier> it made me sad to watch him going through his thesis changing all of the information.
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<timgauthier> I have never used the ability to link numbers data into pages on mac, but i suspect this is why it exsists
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<crome> xls!
<timgauthier> but even then, having such a huge file full of data (like 2 gigs) seems insane...
<benzrf> bye
<mg^> I also basically wrote a simulator for the CAM portion of a BGP router that recorded metrics on a per-prefix basis
<timgauthier> yes, excel
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<timgauthier> cya benz
<timgauthier> benzrf != benz
<mg^> hah. You and your fancy spreadsheet programs and word processors. I had to use LaTeX and gnuplot :)
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<timgauthier> mg^ honestly, i think you did it a better way
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<timgauthier> it may be harder, but when all of your data changes it theoretically could be easier to update the output
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<mg^> true
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<timgauthier> i've never used laTeX but the idea of it sounds cool
<mg^> I'd almost kind of like to do it again... I've thought of new metrics I could explore. And I wrote the simulator in *cough* Perl... I'd totally do it in Ruby if I did it again.
<timgauthier> i'd probably want Markdown with Data Variables though
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<timgauthier> do it in ruby, then use ruby to dump most of it into your report ;)
<timgauthier> make that shit write itself
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<mg^> I'll tell you one thing about building the paper in LaTeX and gnuplot... it was fun to edit the paper and execute make pdf to make it into the final output.
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<shevy> hmmm
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<shevy> this all does not sound like a lot of fun
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<timgauthier> yes
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<timgauthier> what does LaTeX syntax LOOK like?
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<mg^> well, for me it was a lot of work, and I got a published paper out of it and an B.S. degree with Honors... and then started a career where I pretty already knew everything I needed to know *before* I went to school.
<centrx> \pagestyle{empty}
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<mg^> But I got a fancy piece of paper.
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<timgauthier> yeah... i never went to post secondary because everyone I know who went said it was a waste of money
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<timgauthier> actually, i didn't go because i couldn't decide what I wanted to be when I grew up
<mg^> GI Bill paid for it for me, so it was worth doing.
<timgauthier> but it was easier to not push myself when everyone else was discouraging it
<timgauthier> yeah thats true mg^
<shevy> mg^ you didn't want to continue in academia?
<mg^> the fancy piece of paper also did open doors for a first job. After that it's pretty much been my work product and who I've met since then that have affected my career.
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<mg^> shevy: well, I might have if I didn't have any job prospects... I don't mind academia. But I had a synner internship between my junior and senior years, which they turned into a part-time job while I finished out my senior year. Then they offered me a full-time position at a pay rate I could not refuse.
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<timgauthier> synner?
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<mg^> dunno what that came from
<mg^> summer
<mg^> one-key off when my attention was turned away :)
<benzrf> hmmmmmm ive thought i might want to go into academia
<benzrf> mg^: tell me whats it like
<mg^> ahh but I've only touched on it. I'm not qualified to convey more than the little I've participated in.
<mg^> But my experience was that it was a lot of work, but it's rewarding to see your name come out in a journal. Even more rewarding the first time someone else cites your work in theirs.
<benzrf> the question is: should i get a phd
<timgauthier> should you get a phd or should you get paid
<mg^> If you can get your PhD paid for, then you should consider it
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<mg^> if you have to take out loans for it, and you're not going into a field where you will pay them off quick... then I wouldn't do it
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<benzrf> kk
<benzrf> i probably enjoy actual programming too much to go into academia
<benzrf> :y
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<mg^> Well, programming is more fun than writing and editing papers for publishing, I can say that.
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<benzrf> shit yeah
<mg^> oddly enough I got a CS degree and didn't end up doing primarily programming
<mg^> I like programming to make my job better, not programming as the job.
<timgauthier> oh, deep
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<timgauthier> thanks guys for teaching me present? and presence
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<timgauthier> i can get rid of stupid ifblocks
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<timgauthier> wait maybe not, link_to doesn't really have a way to do a presence check inside itself so i'll have to wrap that in an if
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<shevy> hehe
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<timgauthier> if journal/* matches folder and children, how do you match only the children but not the folder?
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<timgauthier> never mind, i'll just overwrite with frontmatter
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<shevy> wat
<shevy> do you use Dir[] yet?
<shevy> p Dir['/*']
<shevy> try that
<shevy> then compare to
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<shevy> p Dir['/**/**']
<shevy> or something
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<timgauthier> mmm irc in bed
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<shevy> lol
<timgauthier> that... prints out a lot of dirs
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<timgauthier> and /**/** is causing a very slow page load, i suspect that was a lot of children in those folders i opened..
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<timgauthier> considering it loaded all of my root folders
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<timgauthier> is p print in ruby?
<timgauthier> or setting a drive to load?
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<wallerdev_> p is puts with inspect
<timgauthier> ah ok
<benzrf> timgauthier: also
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<benzrf> timgauthier: it returns the argument
<benzrf> so you can stick it in the middle of an expr
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<benzrf> tmyk
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<benzrf> foo.bar * baz not working?
<benzrf> foo.bar * p(baz)!
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<timgauthier> what would you return?
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<timgauthier> the value of (baz)
<wallerdev_> thats an odd way to do things benzrf lol
<timgauthier> hello wallerdev_
<wallerdev_> what if foo is undefined and thats why its not working
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<Devanon> benzrf: that is quite interesting :)
<wallerdev_> just write p baz above haha
<timgauthier> yup i crashed whatever server middleman is running on :|
<benzrf> wallerdev_: then youll find out
<timgauthier> crap... how would i find the process ID for that to go in and kill?
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<benzrf> the point is u dont have to do something like
<benzrf> tmp = baz
<benzrf> p tmp
<benzrf> foo.bar * tmp
<benzrf> instead just stick in the p (y)
<benzrf> >tfw phrasing
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<timgauthier> whats the terminal command to kill a process
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<timgauthier> google is loading dead pages
<timgauthier> sudo kill