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<ra4king> shim*
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<ra4king> PATH is setup fine
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<Wolland> ok then it should work fine
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<ra4king> typing "ruby" gives me rbenv: ruby: command not found though
<ra4king> saying it's available in 2.1.2
<ra4king> typing 'rbenv versions' gives me 2.1.2 installed
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<Wolland> do you have to "switch" to use that version?
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<ra4king> no it's the only version installed
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<Wolland> still
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<omosoj> hey guys i want to work with a sql database in a *sql file. should i use the mysql2 gem?
<omosoj> *.sql file
<Wolland> some OSs come with system ruby or you still have to switch to select ruby with rbenv so it sets all the paths correctly
<ra4king> Wolland: no system ruby is installed
<ra4king> Wolland: huh... doing "rbenv version" gives me system
<ra4king> there is no system, which makes sense
<ra4king> how do I set a version?
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<Wolland> you have to set 2.1.2 to be your "default" or system ruby
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<ra4king> Wolland: when I installed rbenv, it appears that it set the ruby version to "system"
<ra4king> I just ran "rbenv shell 2.1.2"
<ra4king> now ruby and gem commands work
<Wolland> cool
<ra4king> "rbenv version" now reports "2.1.2" not "system"
<ra4king> that was weird
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<Wolland> you can also set it as your default ruby using "global"
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<ra4king> how so?
<Wolland> $ rbenv global 1.8.7-p352
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<Wolland> Sets the global version of Ruby to be used in all shells by writing the version name to the ~/.rbenv/version file. This version can be overridden by an application-specific .ruby-version file, or by setting the RBENV_VERSION environment variable.
<happytux_> shevy: ah
<ra4king> thanks
<Wolland> np
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<ra4king> alright so 'gem install rails' completed successfully
<Wolland> :)
<ra4king> typing 'rails' gives me command not found of course
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<ra4king> Wolland: how do you add a shim to rbenv?
<ra4king> 'rails' exists in the versions/2.1.2/bin folder
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<Wolland> i am not sure, I don't use rbenv :( https://github.com/sstephenson/rbenv#understanding-shims
<ra4king> huh
<ra4king> all the shims are identical
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* ra4king copies one of the shims and renames it to 'rails'
<ra4king> Wolland: hell yeah that worked
<Wolland> :)
<ra4king> I have smarts
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<ra4king> hell yeah, rails new <path> worked
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<vikfroberg> TDD: I’m testing a class which reads a file, finds strings and return an array of the strings. Should I create the file in a before block, use a string to mock the file or create a file manually and comitting it to the repository?
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<ra4king> wow building therubyracer is taking quite a while
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<ra4king> oh wow that was v8 taking forever to build
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<ra4king> no surprise
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<shevy> dumdedum
<wallerdev> LA LA LA
<ponga> yayaya
<oddalot> *fart*
<oddalot> wasn't me
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<shevy> lol
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<ra4king> #ruby everybody
<ra4king> that was a typical conversation
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<shevy> now now now
<ponga> shevy
<shevy> typically people have a question
<shevy> ponga are you into bboying?
<ponga> does ruby have library for empty window, a button, text field, etc
<shevy> well, ruby stdlib has bindings to tk
<shevy> matz wrote them years ago
<shevy> I never used them
<ponga> sorry what's tk
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<shevy> there are also bindings/wrappers to the crappy (n)curses
<shevy> it's a toolkit over tcl
<ponga> i don't bboy but i see bboys a lot
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<shevy> ponga cool
<shevy> sorry
<The_NetZ> so... ./configure can't find sys/time. :/
<shevy> the second link was wrong
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<timgauthier> hey what was that command that is like present? but it prints out the value if it exsists?
<shevy> ponga, to use tk + ruby, you need to have tcl/tk available on your system; then in the ruby directory, in ext/tk you can compile the bindings, or you simply download binaries from your distribution
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<shevy> I personally use ruby-gnome; it is much nicer, better, and it is actively maintained by a few japanese coders \o/
<timgauthier> shevy
<shevy> timgauthier I never heard of present?
<shevy> what does it do?
<shevy> pp value if defined?(value) ?
<timgauthier> <%= data.email.barb.present? %>
<shevy> omg my eyes
<timgauthier> ;)
<shevy> I still don't know what this does
<timgauthier> i included the erb tags for you ;)
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<timgauthier> it says true thats the current output
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<shevy> btw timgauthier wasn't there a canadian amok guy lately, he made it into news here
<timgauthier> yeah guy killed three cops
<shevy> I am not quite understanding that...
<timgauthier> but they still arrested him instead of killing him
<shevy> how can we determine what the "current output" is?
<pipework> shevy: #present? Is from activesupport.
<shevy> hmm
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<shevy> pipework knows more than I do
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<timgauthier> presence
<pipework> I know how to put my pants on two legs at a time.
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<timgauthier> I KNOW HOW TO TAKE OFF MY PANTS WITHOUT ANY ADULTS!
<shevy> The_NetZ, I have /usr/include/sys/time.h
<wallerdev> my pants are too tight to put them on two legs at a time
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<wallerdev> need loose ones to do that
<shevy> pipework hah, do you know Damien Walters?
<pipework> shevy: Object has #present? which is just `!blank?`
<pipework> #blank? is defined on many objects.
<shevy> in his highlight reel he tumbles over some stuff and while tumbling takes off his pants and shirt
<benzrf> yo
<wallerdev> isnt blank a rails thing
<centrx> timgauthier, #presence
<benzrf> im trying out camping
<timgauthier> hey benzrf
<timgauthier> thanks centrx :)
<The_NetZ> shevy: yep, and I have it in a few places
<benzrf> when i attempt to run the sample blog it says no such table
<benzrf> do i got to manually make a DB
<timgauthier> oh man, i think i get to go camping this summer, so excite
<timgauthier> ew, why a db for a blog? :(
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<shevy> timgauthier camping in canada? with the polar bears?
<The_NetZ> shevy: the msys (light cygwin) version, and one each for 32 and 64 bit mingw-w64
<timgauthier> shevy no no the polar bears are not out it is summer
<timgauthier> its the black and brown bears (for real)
<ponga> ?
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<ponga> timgauthier, lies
<ponga> polar bear is WHITE
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<shevy> ponga I think he means that the brown bears are closer to where he lives now in canada
<shevy> but I am sure if headed north-northeast the polar bears may eventually take over
<ponga> ah hah
<The_NetZ> ponga: but if a polar bear shags a black bear we get pandas :>
<shevy> a few were even swimming to iceland
<shevy> and got shot :(
<ponga> The_NetZ: really?
<ponga> that's awesome!
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<shevy> The_NetZ and how do we get a donkey?
<timgauthier> when a js programmer opens his mouth
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<benzrf> :=D
<The_NetZ> shevy: from donkeys. I think you're thinking mule XD
<shevy> oh sorry... seems as if in english they are called "mules" and "hinnies"
<shevy> yeah The_NetZ
<The_NetZ> horse + donkey = mule
<ponga> i don't get timgauthier's joke
<ponga> but still funny
<timgauthier> ;) donkeys are also called ass's
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<The_NetZ> so... about my sys/time.h
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<shevy> poor windows man
<shevy> come to linux
<wallerdev> or mac os x
<shevy> let the pain and suffering behind you
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<ponga> 842 in #ruby and more than 90% seem inactive
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<The_NetZ> shevy: I'm a linuxer. I just have to support windows :/
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<The_NetZ> program compiles fine on arch linux, windows is just being a bitch
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<shevy> ponga yeah but that is often on many other channels as well
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<shevy> I am doing ruby stuff every now and then! today I continued porting some old code mostly
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<The_NetZ> shevy: though I did pimp my windows pretty nice
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<The_NetZ> ponga: yeah, alotta folks have bouncers. I appear to be online at all times in esper/#minecraftforge XD
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<shevy> oh man
<shevy> you poor windows soul
<ponga> do you know shoes4 gem for shevy
<shevy> ponga not really. all I know is that it requires java
<ponga> so is shoes4 more ruby-way of using swt ?
<shevy> and since I don't use java I can not use it
<shevy> no idea
<shevy> shoes was started by _why
<shevy> and not based on java
<shevy> shoes4 is no longer really shoes IMHO
<ponga> me too
<The_NetZ> shevy: stop calling me that XD
<shevy> ruby-gnome is ok if you need a GUI
<shevy> I use it and RubyPanther uses it
<shevy> that is 2 more than any other toolkit here on #ruby
<shevy> hahahahahaaha
<shevy> the www killed the GUIs :(
<The_NetZ> I wrote a simple gui with jruby and swing once
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<pipework> I once had to pee in a cup. I passed, but felt like I was losing out. Have a good weekend!
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<shevy> lol
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<ponga> shevy does #ruby always involve fart , pee conversation
<shevy> ponga nope
<shevy> ponga only when people are bored, or going to bed; right now not much is happening
<The_NetZ> sometimes it involves puking XD
<shevy> I think the channel usually has two peaks
<shevy> one is at noon/night in central european time
<shevy> the other is from the people in the USA
<shevy> time zone
<shevy> that's when I usually sleep
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<The_NetZ> goddammit
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<ponga> shevy is always here
<ponga> i thought you never sleep
<shevy> haha
<shevy> nah I do sleep
<shevy> my eyes are already tired
<ponga> she-vin'ci
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<ponga> you know how amazon Kindle has electronic paper for less stress on eyes
<ponga> would it be good to use electronic paper for computer screen
<shevy> dunno
<The_NetZ> ponga: too dynamic
<shevy> I love old school books
<ponga> The_NetZ secondary monitor
<The_NetZ> I suppose that could work.
<ponga> screen just for irc and txt files ,etc
<The_NetZ> Hanmac: I summoneth thou!
<ponga> they really gotta sell electronic paper monitor
<The_NetZ> kommen sie hier!
<ponga> German?
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<The_NetZ> ponga: I'd like to see a keyboard with electronic paper showing the letters, that'd change when you change your input method
<shevy> almost
<shevy> in proper german it would have been: "Kommen Sie her!"
<The_NetZ> or usb sticks with it showing the capacity :P
<shevy> "hier" in german is "here" in english
<The_NetZ> yep.
<ponga> The_NetZ, n of keys differs between languages
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<The_NetZ> ponga: querty/colemac/etc
<ponga> The_NetZ, no it really is different
<ponga> korean standard keyboard has 101 keys
<ponga> with shorter space bar
<The_NetZ> yep, I'm just talking about ones that can be used on a standard qwerty
<ponga> i guess The_NetZ is too western to have thought of this!
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<ponga> hm
<The_NetZ> iie
<ponga> well but if the keys showed symbols on them .. it'd be nice
<ponga> still a good idea
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<The_NetZ> hrm.
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<ponga> what is []=
<The_NetZ> an array
<ponga> i can't google []= , apparantly [] is reserved
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<The_NetZ> ?g ruby array methods
<The_NetZ> damn, wrong channel XD
<ponga> The_NetZ
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<ponga> []= showed up explaining string mutation
<shevy> ponga it's a method call
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<ponga> 'the []= operator allows you to alter characters of a string or to insert,delete, and replace substrings.'
<shevy> >> class Foo; def []=(i); puts 'setting to '+i.to_s; end; end; foo = Foo.new; foo[] = 3
<eval-in> shevy => setting to 3 ... (https://eval.in/159611)
<ponga> really?
<shevy> no, there is no "[]= operator"
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* The_NetZ thinks if he's gonna get really involved in ruby he'll need to brush up on his japanese
<shevy> it should be parsed as foo.[]=(3) I think
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<ponga> The_NetZ
<ponga> im 100% fluent in japanese, does it give me a cookie
<shevy> The_NetZ yes; you have these choices... become a ninja... or a samurai... or a bboy ... or an anime fan
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* The_NetZ gives ponga a cookie
<shevy> ponga do you know the actor Hiroyuki Sanada?
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<ponga> i never felt speaking japanese helps with ruby
<The_NetZ> shevy: already one of those
<ponga> shevy: i never watch tv
<shevy> oh I see
<The_NetZ> ponga: some of the bug reports are in japanese :/
<ponga> ah hah
<ponga> don't worry japanese is easy
<shevy> the spoken language perhaps
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<shevy> but the written kanji or whatever the name is is not easy
<The_NetZ> oh I can type it too :P
<shevy> I once knew the word "tabemasu"... and I could draw it too
<shevy> it's "to eat" right?
<The_NetZ> yep
<The_NetZ> polite
<ponga> (´∀`)クッキーを手に入れたぞ!
<The_NetZ> comes from taberu
<shevy> and counting is also easy... ichi ... ni ... san? yon? go... chich... well something like that
<shevy> I can count in korean because of taekwondo
<ponga> shevy, its declarative-honorifics
<ponga> i can count in korean too
<ponga> because im korean
<The_NetZ> ichi ni san shi/yon go roku shichi hachi kyu ju or sommat
* ponga thinks he really earned his cookie
<shevy> we had to do pushups and shout counting
<The_NetZ> problem is I forget how to setup input modes on windows XD
<shevy> I always sucked in training but in competition it was different, because it was so dangerous that I had to concentrate, lest I'd get injured
<The_NetZ> I already have ibus-anthy on arch
<ponga> poor windows soul.....
<The_NetZ> godammit XD
<ponga> adding Japanese in OSX was always easy
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<The_NetZ> ponga: note, this machine is a triple boot
<shevy> The_NetZ hana dul set net dasot yosot ilgob yodul ahub yol
<The_NetZ> bless you
<ponga> 둘 셋 넷 다섯 여섯 일곱 여덞 아홉 열
<shevy> I didn't learn it in cantonese or mandarin :(
<ponga> yay
<ponga> do i get a cookie?
<shevy> no
<shevy> you must know
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<ponga> *uck
<shevy> because of your heritage
<ponga> but i could also do that in japanese
<shevy> now if you could count in russian, that would be different
<The_NetZ> ponga: what language was that? I'm getting unicode blocks XD
<ponga> The_NetZ korean you poor windows
<shevy> ponga you get a cookie if you can do it in mandarin main chinese haha
* The_NetZ never had use for korean, so has not installed the language pack
<The_NetZ> nihao
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<ponga> 一 二 三 四 五 六 七 八 九 十
<shevy> actually, the written korean language seemed a lot easier than written japanese
<ponga> earned?
<The_NetZ> ponga: nah, we want phonetics. the kanji is the same :P
<ponga> well it must be
<shevy> you earned a gangnam style cookie
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<ponga> kanji is same among korea,japan,china
<The_NetZ> op!
<ponga> haha
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<The_NetZ> ponga: korean is semi-phonetic, yes?
<ponga> i don't kno what semi-phonetic means
<The_NetZ> just letter strokes jammed together in a kanji-esque look
<ponga> but im gonna tell shevy that writing system in korean is easy only because it was invented/developed by government
<ponga> over 300 years
<shevy> my favourite dish when I was in seoul was bulgogi in sesame sauce (wrapped in some kind ... of peppermint plants or something)
<The_NetZ> like if the english word for ruby was the letters r u b y jammed together
<ponga> it was in control by scholars
<shevy> back in vienna, I ordered the same, but the korean cook used plain salad plants, that was awful :(
<ponga> The_NetZ: its more complex than that
<ponga> consonant/vowel combine to form another alphabet
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<ponga> ㄹ = r ㅜ = u 루 = ru
<ponga> do you get it The_NetZ
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<shevy> ponga I love languages, but the written languages I rather dislike, it seems needlessly complicated
<ponga> it makes more sense shevy
<katlogic> Hangul is linguistic porn for many though
<ponga> alphabets combine to become syllable
<katlogic> yup
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<shevy> well that is better than those strange chinese symbols
<The_NetZ> ponga: no, because I just get unicode blocks for korean :P
<ponga> it wasn't even naturally invented nor developed
<ponga> The_NetZ, vowels and consonants can be combined to form one alphabet form that represents single syllable
<shevy> arabic font I hate too... it's all snake-like and I think from right-to-left rather than left-to-right
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<The_NetZ> but I assume the third is the second and first one jammed together
<ponga> so its written in syllable-status
<ponga> yes
<The_NetZ> I knew a girl that instead of being an otaku for manga was into... mangwha?
<The_NetZ> the korean eqivalent
<ponga> The_NetZ: both are 漫画
<katlogic> manghwa
<ponga> just different reading
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<ponga> its man-hwa actually
<ponga> no g sound
<ponga> i mean no ng
<katlogic> ah
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<ponga> writing man-hwa is two syllable-alphabets in korean
<ponga> 만화
<katlogic> Either way, japan fad seems to be pretty pase. Korean fad and k-pop is all the rage now among teens.
<ponga> deconstructed as ㅁ ㅏ ㄴ ㅎ ㅗ ㅏ
<katlogic> animu and mango is thing for old people now
<katlogic> how depressing
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<ponga> mango?
<ponga> a fruit?
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<ponga> time for lunch
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<The_NetZ> mango is tasty
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<chris349> I need to run the command bundle install as a particular user, but my bundle is in /root/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.1.1/bin/bundle How can I install this in the correct location that is not user-specific (e.g. /usr/local/bin)
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<Sigma00> reinstall rvm as that other user
<diegoviola> chruby ftw
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<chris349> I think I got it to work with the Multi-User install. But now when I run bundle it says dont run as root, but when I do sudo -u apache /usr/local/rvm/gems/ruby-2.1.1@global/bin/bundle install then I get an error message: /usr/bin/env: ruby_executable_hooks: No such file or directory
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<The_NetZ> chris349: you can do a global rvm install
<RubyPanther> lol those are not mangos
<chris349> So what would be the correct way to run bundle install as not-root?
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<RubyPanther> chris349: Normally with apache you have per-project users that own the ruby install, and that is the user it runs the web app as. That way the web app has less/different permissions than the web server
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<chris349> RubyPanther, I really dont want to get into complicating things. I am just trying to get this running through apache in the simplest manner possible.
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<poka> rvm probably has some way to setup the env properly for stuff it installed. or bundle exec
<poka> i haven't RTFM'd any of that stuff though. export GEM_HOME=$HOME/.gem && bundle install then the normal require works
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<poka> you're also goign to want to add $HOME/.gem/bin to PATH or so
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<chris349> The commands all work as root but not as user apache. Is there a better way to run the code through apache other than rvm + passenger?
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<abstrakt> chris349, yes there is a better way than using apache, it's called nginx :P
<poka> nginx behaves kidn of oddly wrt more obscure corners of rFC2616
<Sigma00> http://rvm.io/integration/passenger literally first result
<poka> eg the 304/etags stuff seems kind of wonky still. it'll 200 the backend every time and other weirdness
<poka> runnign thin/unicorn/whatever on port 3000 and a 1-line .htaccess file is an easy way to do it with apache
<Sigma00> poka: did you do a multi-user rvm install?
<Sigma00> what you've shown makes me believe you did a single-user install under the root user
<poka> no idea. but i run my webserver as a normal user with eveyrthing in ~/ behind apache or nginx
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<abstrakt> poka, not sure how that matters if you're just using the proxy of nginx
<poka> no i exported GEM_HOME to $HOME/.gem and that's all you need to do
<abstrakt> which incidentally is 10x > than apache's proxy module
<poka> 'gem install', 'bundle install' etc will put everything in ~/
<chris349> Sigma00, Does that pass the HTTP header REMOTE_USER?
<Sigma00> did you mis-tab?
<pipework> Well they didn't miss-stab!
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<Sigma00> DO YOU MISS MISS TAB?
<RubyPanther> chris349: IMO the simplest manner is whatever is the normal way the locals run it
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<chris349> I follow the instructions to install rvm ruby for all users, but when I do gem install bundle it is placing it in: /root/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.1.1/bin/bundle
<chris349> for e.g. the gem binary is in /usr/local/rvm/rubies/ruby-2.1.1/bin/gem
<RubyPanther> then you can even paste from howtos
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<poka> ruby -e "puts RbConfig::CONFIG['sitelibdir']"
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<chris349> RubyPanther, How can I find out what is the "normal way"
<Sigma00> look at rvm website
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<chris349> rvm is installed as system-wide. However, it is not installing the gem for system-wide usage.
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<Sigma00> maybe you didn't do a multi-user install, but a mixed mode install
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<Sigma00> anyhow, I prefer rbenv over rvm
<Sigma00> bundler is what should deal with gemsets, not the ruby manager
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<chris349> What is the correct way to install bundler for system-wide usage? I have /usr/local/rvm/rubies/ruby-2.1.1/bin/gem but when I invoke it to install bundler it installs bundler in /root/
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<chris349> So gem install bundler is not needed?
<poka> gem env
<poka> even stock debian/arch rubies lately seem to install in user-specifcic dirs now (Even as root)
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<poka> probbaly due to all this rbenv/chruby/rvm/bundler stuff managing paths and exceedingly-rare you'd want a "global" install
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<chris349> Would it be recommended instead to manage the paths manually?
<shevy> real men are superusers
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<shevy> only noobs need bundler
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<poka> time to go down LXC/Docker/Container rabbithole, via Chef/Puppet/Ansible via RVM/Bundler/CHRuby
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<poka> involve as many meta-wrapping layers as possible
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<poka> chris349: do you see /root/.gem/ruby/2.1.0 in 'gem env' ? if so, gem install is probably going to put stuff there
<poka> so, even as root, you're going to have to RTFM/google your way out of this cute little issue that root no longer affects the entire systems' gem paths
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<Sigma00> or read up on how to use rvm rubies with phusion
<Sigma00> which I've already linked
<chris349> The only thing I have with root is: SPEC CACHE DIRECTORY: /root/.gem/specs
<poka> ok, and 'bundle install' didn't put stuff in : /usr/lib/ruby/gems/2.1.0 ?
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<poka> or /var/lib or whateber path gem env is reporting
<chris349> poka, Bundle install gives the error: Don't run Bundler as root. Bundler can ask for sudo if it is needed, and installing your bundle as root will break this application for all non-root users on this machine.
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<chris349> I consider this the problem because the web server does not run under root.
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<poka> hrm. bundler 1.5.3 lets me run 'bundle install' as root
<poka> and puts stuff in the systemwide paths
<chris349> Yes it lets me run it but then says: installing your bundle as root will break this application for all non-root users on this machine
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<poka> considering you'll likely one day want multiple versions of either ruby or a gem, you might as well sit down now and read up on rvm
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<poka> honeslty , i have no clue. i install my ruby code with a 2 line shellscript
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<poka> the reason being gems was/is often broken on weird stuff like NEtBSD-MIPS old/random ruby version etc
<poka> it seems to finally be maturing though. one of these days i'll try to see what all these configuration managers are all about
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<chris349> Im using the standard x86_64 platform. What changes would need to be made to rvm to permit code to run through a webserver?
<Sigma00> probably not using rvm
<Sigma00> or following RVM's guide on using it with phusion...
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<The_NetZ> so... still having issue with ./configure "checking for sys/time.h... (cached) no"
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<RubyPanther> The_NetZ: That means you don't have the glibc dev files installed
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<The_NetZ> RubyPanther: thought I did, I'll have another look though.
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<The_NetZ> no, seems I have them as mingw-w64-{i686,x86_64}-glib2
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<poka> autohell gets more hellish inside mingw/on-win32
<poka> but maybe try INCLUDE_DIR= type overrides
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<The_NetZ> poka: hrm. I tried passing -I/path/to/sys and no joy, but I'll see about that. should that go in the configure step or the make step?
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<The_NetZ> this is driving me bonkers :/
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<poka> ive compiled ruby on MinGW, but it was 2001
<poka> ./configure --help | grep -i include
<RubyPanther> The_NetZ: glib is part of gtk, you need glibc
<poka> also don't add path/to/sys if it's looking for sys/time.h. shulold be -I/c/usr/include or so
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<RubyPanther> for example on fedora it is part of the package glibc-headers
<poka> also it makes things a lot easier if you insgtall mingw + msys right to /c or /c/usr and then add that to $PATH in start->Controlpanel->system->advanced->environment, so that start->run rxvt works right and finds bash, etc. then the environment's closer to sane
<The_NetZ> hrm. poka yeah I know.
<poka> worst case i guess you can manually add to INCLUDE= or whatever in the Makefile
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<The_NetZ> poka: I've got my msys2 root at C:\msys64; I don't change variables in windows itself, my startup script sets most of it.
<The_NetZ> RubyPanther: glibc, rhm.
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<poka> also pkg-config tended to not always exist. or PKG_CONFIG_PATH. so make sure those both work
<The_NetZ> oh they work fine
<The_NetZ> RubyPanther: exactly why does one need glibc in this case? sys/time.h does exist on my system.
<RubyPanther> The_NetZ: That is where it comes from, it is a header from glibc
<poka> is /usr/include/sys/time.h doesn't exist, that's bad
<poka> unless you're on NixOS and it's in /nix/09298374928739q38475394875394857345/usr/include/sys/time.h
<The_NetZ> that's ugly :/
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<poka> wait, can you run nixos inside mingw?
<poka> it's really a lot simpler to get off MinGW, but you know that too. im just throwing out obvious ideas
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<The_NetZ> sys/time.h exists in /mingw64/x86_64-w64-mingw32/include (and the 32bit version too) and belongs to the mingw-w64-$ARCH-headers-git package
<poka> ok
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<poka> so something like ./confiugure --include-dir=/mingw64/x86_64-w64-mingw32/include should hopefully work
<The_NetZ> RubyPanther: I don't suppose you could throw up time.h somewhere so I can diff it?
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<The_NetZ> poka: ok, gimme a sec
<poka> sometimes configure launches subscripts that don't thread thru vars, so an environment variable would be preferabe
<poka> s/vars/args
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<poka> eg, ruby builds miniruby or something, then reruns configure for each thing in ext/ or something
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<The_NetZ> yeah, I was wondering about the miniruby googled it up
<The_NetZ> another thing, the irb I produce on mingw has absolutely no prompt
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<The_NetZ> https://clbin.com/b5dFgE.png << but at least windows is bearable with msys2 & sharpenviro
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<The_NetZ> dammit, still can't use sys/time.h
<The_NetZ> I tried it as both --includedir=path and in the CFLAGS variable
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<Hanmac1> The_NetZ: because its arch depending ... i for my self has 5 different sys/time.h installed ...
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<The_NetZ> Hanmac1: I know of at least three on my machine, but I pointed it at the proper one for the archetecture
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<Hanmac1> hm yeah crosscompiling is a difficult task ... i for my self didnt mananged it fully yet
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<The_NetZ> I'm not cross-compiling.
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<poka> maybe https://github.com/postmodern/ruby-install is magic on minGW ?
<The_NetZ> windows/mingw for windows/mingw
<The_NetZ> I dunno. I couldn't get 2.1.2 working with that; I have 2.1.2, just not as full featured as I like.
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<poka> msys is cool in general though.
<poka> it's a noble attempt at header-macro hacks around microsoft hating POSIX
<The_NetZ> msys2*
<poka> vs giving up and going emulator, ala cygwin/virtualbox
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<The_NetZ> yeah, fuck M$'s posix hatred
<The_NetZ> I tried sua, and its sucky
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<Hanmac> poka & The_NetZ: appropo emulator ... look its a virtual Gameboy emulator ;P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wby8pMrYYaM
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<The_NetZ> Hanmac: I'll stick to retroarch
<The_NetZ> also, info on fiddle please? I'm getting irked at having gem install foo bitch about it XD
<abstrakt> because there's so much similarity between cygwin and virtualbox that they're worth comparing?
<abstrakt> oh right, they're not
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<abstrakt> The_NetZ, get off of windows if you want to do ruby dev
<abstrakt> it's the only sane thing to do
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<abstrakt> osx or *nix are the only rational options for ruby dev
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<abstrakt> The_NetZ, run a VM if need be
<poka> stop being an ass. let him try!
<abstrakt> i'm not being an ass, I'm speaking the truth
<poka> he'll get frusted enough to go full-on ARchLinux/Gentoo within hours anyways
<abstrakt> oh, gotcha, ok mum's the word then
<The_NetZ> abstrakt: you were not here earlier, so I'll restate. I'm primarily an arch user, I just have to support windows
<poka> so cygwin emulates syscalls, and virtualbox emulates a CPU? theyre both on the spectrum of emulation
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<abstrakt> The_NetZ, ahh, then I'm truly sorry and please accept my condolences
<The_NetZ> hehe
<abstrakt> poka, not even close to the same spectrum
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<poka> SFU is hilarious. aka INTERIX
<ntzrmtthihu777> wrong nick anyways, gotta fiddle with hexchat a bit more
<ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, its kinda cool but kinda sucky
<poka> it's so oldschool and broken that it's insane MSFT could suggest anyone use it
<poka> uh. maybe your AIX app from 1987 compiles on it after tons of fixesa?
<abstrakt> I thought SFU was dead long ago
<ntzrmtthihu777> which is why they killed it in win8
<abstrakt> who from microsoft is suggesting it?
<ntzrmtthihu777> abstrakt: nah, you can use it on win7 ultimate
<abstrakt> ntzrmtthihu777, well lots of projects long ago since abandoned still run
<abstrakt> that's not the point
<ntzrmtthihu777> though the community site that did all the porting is long dead.
<abstrakt> yeh that's more what I'm getting at
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<ntzrmtthihu777> yeah.
<ntzrmtthihu777> msys2, though, I feel could become incredibly useful for *nix stuff on windows
<abstrakt> except that it's literally just a stripped down cygwin
<abstrakt> so, not really
<abstrakt> or at least not likely
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<ntzrmtthihu777> abstrakt: its a bit more than that. I'm talking msys2, not msys. they're a similar codebase, yes, but there are differences.
<abstrakt> not enough to make either one a realistic or major contender for "usable *nix emulation" on windows
<ntzrmtthihu777> one, has a ported pacman from arch, and the accompanying makepkg program. you can compile msys packages, or native windows binaries via makepkg-mingw
<abstrakt> I mean if you're satisfied with ls and cd, then maybe they make the grade
<ntzrmtthihu777> I mean for making stuff that can be released to non-msys/cygwin'd machines for use.
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<poka> and it's so scrubar it's messing up basic /usr/include issues, which does't bode well for more complex scenarios
<poka> did you try --include not --include-dir to see if it helped?
<poka> and did you get a dry-run of ruby fully building w/o that make-pkg wrapper thing?
* poka kinda wants to install Win8.1 to mess with it
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<abstrakt> poka, what's there to mess with? it's windows, it sucks a little more than the last version but not as bad as everyone says
<ntzrmtthihu777> poka: I can dry run it, if you like. and I ran configure --help and just grepped for include, and all I saw was the cflags bit and the --includedir flag
<abstrakt> what else would you like to know?
<ntzrmtthihu777> when the fuck will M$ get posix?!
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<momomomomo> anyone on the west coast around to time a response for me?
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<comma8> momomomomo, what can I do?
<momomomomo> I'll send you a message
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<roelof_> Is there a way I can convert "one" to the number 1 so I can use it to add numbers
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<roelof_> Im trying to understand currying
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<abstrakt> roelof_, I believe you want #haskell
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<ntzrmtthihu777> hrm
<ntzrmtthihu777> so anyone else really dislike this cmake thing?
<roelof_> abstrakt: why ?? this is a exercise I found on a ruby site
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<abstrakt> roelof_, most notably because that's where the term for this originates
<roelof_> oke
<abstrakt> learning haskell is like eating your spinach, it's good for you
<abstrakt> even if you never use haskell again
<roelof_> but its really a ruby problem that is why I asked here
<abstrakt> it's really a general problem, you happen to be using ruby
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<abstrakt> roelof_, http://learnyouahaskell.com/
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<roelof_> abstrakt: thanks
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<ntzrmtthihu777> rar
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<ntzrmtthihu777> so question; after one runs ./configure, should one use the Makefile or the GNUMakefile ?
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<abstrakt> ntzrmtthihu777, one should use RVM and not worry about it
<abstrakt> or rbenv if that's your brand of vodka
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<ntzrmtthihu777> abstrakt: prolly, but rvm is a *nix thing
<ntzrmtthihu777> on arch I just use the repo package, its almost always the latest.
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<abstrakt> er, how is arch not *nix?
<ntzrmtthihu777> I'm not on *nix atm.
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<abstrakt> ntzrmtthihu777, rvm works fine on OSX as well
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<abstrakt> on windows there's pik
<ntzrmtthihu777> this entire problem I'm having results from some fucky includes in win32.h
<abstrakt> and if you're on windows, well, then god help you
<abstrakt> which isn't likely since god doesn't exist, so you're pretty much fucked
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<ntzrmtthihu777> fuck you M$ ):
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<ph88> hey guys, can someone give me some help with running rake? http://pastebin.com/cXvRn2tJ
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<lewix> ph88: what are you trying to do exactly
<ph88> Lewix: run the tests of library tamper
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<lewix> ph88: rake test filename
<ph88> Lewix: what if i want to run them all at once ?
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<ph88> Lewix: this is what i got http://pastebin.com/hz5UeJZ5
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<lewix> ph88: rake test
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<ph88> x-men lewis
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<Marfo> hello
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<Marfo> How property put variable into C extension?
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<Marfo> I have extension, but I need create a variable when create a obiect and destroy when destroy it
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<Mon_Ouie> What do you mean by a variable? Do you want to attach a C resource (a malloced struct or whatever) to a Ruby objects you create?
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<Marfo> Mon_Ouie, my extension return pointer
<The_NetZ> so, I've determined strange things are afoot
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<Marfo> to struct I need store
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<Marfo> struct into object
<Marfo> Mon_Ouie, yes/meybe
<Mon_Ouie> So yes, use Data_Wrap_Struct to create an object that will contain your structure
<Marfo> create obiect create struct { int a}
<Mon_Ouie> Then Data_Get_Struct to retrieve it
<Marfo> hm... but when I can store it?
<Marfo> any code?
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<Marfo> hmm no
<The_NetZ> so... when ruby is compiled with mingw, things get funky when you compile source that includes time.h and sys/time.h
<Marfo> my variable must live exactly this same time to object
<Marfo> static VALUE t_init(VALUE self)
<Mon_Ouie> That's what this does
<Mon_Ouie> The allocate function is used to create the object itself
<Marfo> in this func put initialisation and how destroy it
<Marfo> ....
<Mon_Ouie> The initialize method is then called upon that object (in most situations)
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<Mon_Ouie> See the example, you can pass a function pointer to the function that will destroy it
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<Marfo> Mon_Ouie, where is destroyer?>
<Marfo> my destroy is not simple
<Marfo> I have fuction to create (allocate) struct and destroy it
<Mon_Ouie> 3rd argument of Data_Wrap_Struct is that function
<Marfo> this is not simple struct
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<Mon_Ouie> You also should read the README.EXT, this is explained in there in more details
<Marfo> Mon_Ouie, can You change code?
<Mon_Ouie> What do you mean?
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<Marfo> please wait
<The_NetZ> sweet... I think I may have figured out a minimal test code needed to expose an issue in mingw+ruby :D
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<Marfo> Mon_Ouie, hmm. where I can store pointer
<Marfo> in aaa
<Marfo> I good change name of functions?
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<Marfo> Mon_Ouie, this is a good
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<Marfo> Mon_Ouie, hello
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<kushal3> why not zoidberg, indeed :D
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<anon___2> hi
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<Marfo> ok I correct my code
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<Marfo> anybody can see why I get error? request for member ‘cosik’ in something not a structure or union
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<Marfo> MyTest.c:25:22: warning: dereferencing ‘void *’ pointer [enabled by default]
<Marfo> free((struct Fajne*)p->cosik);
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<Marfo> hallo, anybody know what create a variable in obiect? extension in C
<The_NetZ> question. how does the ruby configure scripts determine whether or not sys/time.h is useable?
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<ph88> what's a good small editor with good syntax highlighting for ruby ?? (not IDE)
<centrx> vim
<ph88> needs to be free
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<ph88> i'm on windows
<centrx> I am sorry
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<canton7> I'd still recommend vim :P
<canton7> sublime text, notepad++, textmate, etc
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<ph88> notepad++ doesn't have good highlighting
<Mon_Ouie> The_NetZ: It uses a macro from autoconf. I believe it tries to compile a program that uses it.
<ph88> i'm using it atm
<canton7> or you could hop on the atom bandwagon :P
<ph88> textmate is for mac
<ph88> atom is for mac
<centrx> All the good software is for Mac and Uni
<centrx> x
<canton7> have they not released it for windows yet? boo
<canton7> sublime text, then
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<centrx> Unless you are playing a 3D game that requires editing Ruby files, I would switch to a better system
<The_NetZ> Mon_Ouie: mhmm... where would I find that bit...
<ph88> sublime not free
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<The_NetZ> yep, ruby on windows is a bitch
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<canton7> ph88, the demo has almost no restrictions. I used it free for over a year
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<ph88> i will try vim for windows
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<ph88> omg it looks awful :/
<ph88> well the highlighter is good, so i will go with it anyway
<ph88> but the font is like msdos
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<canton7> use a better font, then ;)
<ph88> oh it also doesn't have tabs for multiple files
<in7rude> use plugins
<ph88> yes ok i agree, ruby under windows kind of sucks :P
<banisterone> Hey guys
<ph88> hey
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<banisterone> What's up
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<centrx> ph88, You can open windows inside vim and switch between them
<canton7> nah, you're just failing to find any windows text editor which suits your needs, without you having to do any work at all to customise them :P
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<canton7> nothing to do with ruby
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<The_NetZ> centrx: msys2 will get you a good *nix system including vim :P
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<canton7> if you're using git, you get all of that for free :)
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<ph88> SciTE is nicer
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* ph88 uninstalling vim
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<The_NetZ> yeah, but msys2 has an excellent package manager and build system
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<ph88> guys, komodo edit on windows is also really good ..
<ph88> just a bit heavy on the download, but that's ok
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<centrx> The_NetZ, big improvement over cygwin?
<mordof> o/ hola peoples
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<mordof> ph88: i prefer sublime text over anything else
<The_NetZ> centrx: I like to think so :P
* mordof does development on windows
<The_NetZ> centrx: its ported from arch linux, pacman and makepkg
<The_NetZ> writing buildscripts for makepkg is very simple compared to other distro's packaging systems.
<centrx> I see
<centrx> and I thought Arch Linux was only good for its wiki!
<shevy> lol
<shevy> hey mordof
<shevy> what happened the last 2 weeks
<The_NetZ> centrx: writing a PKGBUILD is very easy, just a few functions wrapping the normal ./configure make make install steps
<jheg> o/
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<jheg> I'm just doing some basic tutorials that ask you to write a program that takes a number from the user and puts if its 0-50, 51-100 or above 100
<jheg> I wrote it as a method and then puts the_method(gets.chomp.to_i)
<shevy> ok did you already find out how you can get user input jheg
<shevy> well
<shevy> you should assign to a variable
<jheg> it worked no problem but the solution suggested just running a conditional on the variable
<The_NetZ> it works with other build systems as well, such as cmake and so on. its just a glorified bash script
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<shevy> the_method(i = gets.chomp.to_i)
<shevy> jheg did you solve the problem? if so then it does not matter if you use other solutions right?
<centrx> shevy, That is some funky code
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<shevy> not my code!
<jheg> yeah it solved the problem shevy but it left me confused when to use a method and when to just run a conditional
<shevy> simple
<shevy> use methods
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<shevy> solved
<jheg> is it a case of if I need to reuse the code stick it in a method?
<shevy> no
<shevy> always use a method
<jheg> ok thanks
<shevy> you get more options when you have a method as opposed to when you don't
<centrx> >> flog(shevy)
<eval-in> centrx => undefined local variable or method `shevy' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/159695)
<shevy> because you can load the file without having to run the method
<jheg> i'll post up my answer and the tutorials answer just to check I got that right
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<shevy> but if you write code into a .rb file without any method, then it is run the moment you require it
<shevy> centrx writing too much php code as of late, aren't ya
<jheg> whats the name of the site where I can share code snippets?
<centrx> In PHP, everything can be a string
<centrx> gist.github.com
<shevy> pastie.org
<jheg> ta
<shevy> the saddest thing about php is
<shevy> that ruby can not be more popular than php
<ponga> can i ask sth shevy
<shevy> ponga only if you did 5 pushups before
<ponga> sorry
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<shevy> haha :D
<shevy> it's a fitness program...
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<shevy> make programmers strong as steel
<ponga> if i had to pushup everytime i ask question on ruby, i'd be a health trainer
<banisterone> Ponga and a very beautiful woman.
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<shevy> live a healthy live
<shevy> and of course I myself don't do anything like that
<ponga> that's just your personal desire banisterone
* centrx thought ponga was a very beautiful man
<ponga> i am a beautiful man
<centrx> hah
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<shevy> ponga what was your question btw?
<centrx> jheg, Generally we put everything inside a class or at least a method when programming
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<ponga> shevy is the purpose of rails to use ruby as serverside lang like PHP
<shevy> hmm
<centrx> jheg, Ruby is certainly useful for straight procedural scripts that just run some code in a file without object-oriented classes, so that is the use case
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<shevy> ponga might be better to ask a rails guru on #rubyonrails - I think rails back then made MVC pattern popular; I don't think ruby and php 1:1 are fully on equal levels as to when someone wants to write we-related stuff, and rails enforces a certain paradigm that you don't have 1:1 with plain php alone
<shevy> *web-related
<ponga> actually that was perfect answer to my question shevy
<movedx_> Hello. In Rails (sorry, I can't seem to find a dedicated channel), how do I manage multiple migration files? So with 'rails g scaffold ...' I get TIMESTAMP_file.rb migration files. If I then change the models, say add associations, what's the best method of me then changing the migration files so 'rake db:migrate' works on the new changes?
<ponga> i didn't want guru-answer anyway
<movedx_> A rubyonrails OK
<Nowaker> think shell script, write ruby script
<movedx_> I'll ask in there.
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<shevy> what I do know is that the technical university of vienna uses rails for the student pages, and it is actually a website with great usability once you can login
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<shevy> (they use different software packages sadly; they have an older perl site which is just awful to use)
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<ponga> shevy i know rails kinda introduced new way of doing web app development
<ponga> and your answer was quite good enough
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<shevy> rails and then as rack combination also seemed to kill some smaller webframeworks
<shevy> like ramaze
<csmrfx> I guess ultimately the point of rails is to provide orm
<shevy> people seem more likely to use sinatra rather than ramaze for lightweight stuff
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<csmrfx> or, provide ORMed web framework with scaffolding and all the plugins you can throw at the web with bells and whistles
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<jheg> centrx: thanks I'm at very early stages of learning :)
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<ponga> shevy i only learnt ruby but is rails capable of creating web game with javascript?
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<ponga> i always thought it was server-side thingi..
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<ponga> my question is kinda silly, maybe im not sobber now
<csmrfx> rails is a web framework
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<csmrfx> while it may include some plugins with javascript capability
<shevy> ponga in theory yes
<csmrfx> it is aimed at server side developement
<csmrfx> but then suddenly, you realize you wanted #rubyonrails or similar
<ponga> i know it could do something like twitter
<ponga> can i develop html5 game on it
<csmrfx> unless you know intimately its structure and components, you are just making generalizations
<ponga> yeah.. shoulda start learning rails
<ponga> to get to know what rails is
<csmrfx> I would start with something simpler
<ponga> like?
<csmrfx> well, sinatra, padrino, jekyll...
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<shevy> ponga you probably will always need javascript
<ponga> ok
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<shevy> for an interactive web game at least
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> how does debian determine whether a program is installed or not?
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<Morrolan> shevy: Whether it can be found by looking in directories which are part of the PATH, I presume.
<Morrolan> Or are you talking about searching via the package manager? That one obviously keeps an index of its own.
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<shevy> so they don't have any idea about the real file situation at hand but must rely on the package manager providing this information to them?
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<Morrolan> I feel like I'm lacking some context. :D
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<shevy> so if a file is removed by a user, the package manager won't notice that
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<shevy> Morrolan well for instance
<Morrolan> It probably will show a warning, if it tries to modify the package, and some files aren't present anymore.
<shevy> Morrolan say you wish to compile program A, but program A has many dependencies
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<Morrolan> Uhu.
<shevy> now obviously you may wish to install or compile these dependences but not the dependencies that are already available on the system
<shevy> I face the latter as a problem right now
<omosoj> hey guys, i have a sql database and i want to create a class that i can use to query the database (like Info.number.color returns the color of a number)
<Morrolan> omosoj: Try out the various Ruby ORMs.
<Morrolan> omosoj: e.g. DataMapper and ActiveRecord
<Morrolan> shevy: Right, I'm with you, so far.
<omosoj> Morrolan, thanks. i was planning to use activerecord. is it a difficult task?
<Morrolan> Can you create the database from scratch, or do you have to work with a predefined schema?
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<shevy> one script I have does something like this: "compile htop --with-missing-dependencies"
<omosoj> predefined schema
<shevy> so questions that should be answered are: "is ncurses installed: if yes, continue with htop, if no, install ncurses first"
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<Morrolan> Then I recommend DataMapper - it has some great features which make it very easy to work with legacy schemas.
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<Morrolan> ActiveRecord might have those, too, but I've never used them.
<omosoj> thank you. are there any recognized tutorials on this?
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<Morrolan> I'd just play with DataMapper a bit, for a day. After that, its docs on working with legacy schemas should make for a reasonable starting point: http://datamapper.org/docs/legacy.html
<omosoj> k, thank you.
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<Morrolan> They have an IRC channel of their own as well, I think.
<Morrolan> #datamapper, probably.
<omosoj> awesome, thanks
<Morrolan> shevy: Rather than attempting to find out which dependencies are installed already, how about installing as many dependencies as possible via the package manager, then installing the others manually?
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<Morrolan> I.e. have your script issue a few `aptitude install` commands first.
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<shevy> nono
<shevy> you misunderstand me
<shevy> I was giving debian just as example
<shevy> I more mean the general strategy
<shevy> so `aptitude` or any other distribution specific ways are not possible
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<shevy> I think if all these strategies rely on packages that registered themselves via a package manager somewhere, then this is a very simple solution, though not a very intelligent one
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<shevy> I guess I will have to write some scripts to determine automatically what is available and installed and what is not, regardless of any package manager
<Morrolan> There's probably no Linux-wide way to find out whether a certain dependency is installed. Most will follow FHS, but there's bound to be some who don't. Then you've got naming differences, and god knows what else. ^^
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> well the naming differences should apply only for packages, not for installed libraries or? libX11.so will always be called libX11.so
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<Morrolan> Oh, yea.
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<DefV> /3
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<omosoj> is there a way to access information within a class without instantiating the class?
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<ari-_-e> omosoj: like what?
<omosoj> i'm writing a class to query a database. i want to be able to get a list of all the names of the entries of a table so that the user knows what to instantiate.
<omosoj> (does that make sense?)
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<ari-_-e> not really :-/
<Morrolan> Instance variables belong the the instance. No instance, no class.
<Morrolan> Err, no instance, no instance variable*
<Morrolan> But ORMs often use class methods + variables.
<omosoj> so it's impossible to call a class method without instantiating it?
<omosoj> gah, not sure i used 'class method' correctly.
<Morrolan> Calling class methods is possible without an instance of the class.
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<Morrolan> >> class Foo; def self.bar; puts "Hello!"; end; end; Foo.bar
<eval-in> Morrolan => Hello! ... (https://eval.in/159717)
<ari-_-e> in fact, you can't call a class method on an instance directly
<ari-_-e> you need to do obj.class.method
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<omosoj> whoa, awesome
<omosoj> :))
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<omosoj> thanks guys
<Morrolan> :)
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<shevy> yeah that is what class methods are for
<shevy> PoleDancer.dance!
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<shevy> Nuke.nuke :mars
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<shevy> actually, I don't like methods with "!"
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<csmrfx> strange, whats not to like!
<shevy> take optparse
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<shevy> not only that you have to type 'optparse' to require it, and the class name is OptionParser
<shevy> now, you also have constructs like:
<shevy> end.parse! ARGV
<shevy> what
<shevy> the
<shevy> fuck
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<csmrfx> erm, ok
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<shevy> if I have a huge case when menu
<shevy> should we rather check on 'strings' or against :symbols inside?
<shevy> case i
<shevy> when 'foo','faa','ble'
<shevy> vs
<shevy> case i
<shevy> when :foo,:faa,:ble
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<ari-_-e> shevy: what type is i?
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<shevy> any
<shevy> :-)
<shevy> I need to convert it into either string or symbol before checking anyway
<ari-_-e> I'd say use whatever type i is
<shevy> well I need to decide inside the case menu
<shevy> I couldn't quite have:
<shevy> when 'foo',:foo
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<shevy> perhaps I should benchmark it
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<ari-_-e> shevy: it can be the same thing as a string or symbol?
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<shevy> yeah, it can be used in any way; it's basically a main loop for user input, but can also be used programmatically from code via :symbols as input
<banisterone> ari-_-e: shevy is an unusual dude
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<ari-_-e> shevy: I'd advise that you separate out the user input handling
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<ari-_-e> is there a reason these operations can't be methods?
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<shevy> hmm?
<shevy> of course methods are called
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<shevy> anyway, I benchmarked, symbols are significantly faster so that has decided it
<ari-_-e> why do you need to programmatically use your input handling then? can't you just call the methods?
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<shevy> how do you mean?
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<ari-_-e> can you paste the code?
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<shevy> ari-_-e for instance like that: http://pastie.org/9268649
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<ari-_-e> shevy: so if you wanted to display contacts in your code, you would call handle_input('display_contacts') ?
<ari-_-e> or
<ari-_-e> handle_input(:display_contacts)
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<shevy> ari-_-e no, of course I would just call the method display_contacts
<shevy> that is all part of the user input menu
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<shevy> the main question is whether one should use strings or symbols in such a situation
<ari-_-e> I'm confused why you'd want to use the user input handling programmatically then
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<omosoj> is there a preferred ordering of methods within a class? should initialize always go first? should class methods go first?
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<shevy> it already is used and it's all working fine
<shevy> omosoj yeah I think initialize should usually be the first method
<shevy> omosoj I group class methods after initialize methods
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<omosoj> shevy, cool that's what i just did.
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<shevy> I think it is time for me to revamp my old ruby-gnome collection
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<shevy> several hundred .rb files :(
<csmrfx> which ruby
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<ari-_-e> /usr/bin/ruby
<ari-_-e> /usr/bin/ruby
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<csmrfx> hehe
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<csmrfx> I mean: shevy, which ruby version were those developed on?
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<shevy> 1.8.7
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<shevy> many things have been removed from ruby-gnome too
<pipework> shevy is all about ancient ruby.
<shevy> :(
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<shevy> well, at least the new examples in ruby-gnome work
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<omosoj> does string interpolation not work with instance variables?
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<ari-_-e> omosoj: it does
<ari-_-e> of course
<ari-_-e> you can interpolate any expression
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<omosoj> ok, that's what i thought. hmm
<Morrolan> I write my whole program in an internpoalted string, and eval it. :)
<Morrolan> s/np/p/
<ari-_-e> omosoj: what have you tried?
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<omosoj> @client.query("select value from factbook_values where countryid = #{@id} and fieldid = #{@fields["population"]}")
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<omosoj> You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '' at line 1 (Mysql2::Error)
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<Morrolan> What's the query it's trying to execute?
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<ari-_-e> omosoj: ooh, well you have another problem them
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<ari-_-e> omosoj: don't directly substitute things into sql queries
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<shevy> omosoj I would recommend you build the whole string before you pass it into .query()
<Morrolan> Also, if those values are untrusted, you might want to use SQL escaping.
<Morrolan> Bah, I'm slow.
<ari-_-e> omosoj: that's how you expose yourself to sql injections
<shevy> omosoj most likely it is a wrongful ' character
<omosoj> whoa, interesting
<rkrdo> yeah, it should be @fields['population']
<omosoj> rkrdo, still doesn't work.
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<ari-_-e> omosoj: can you check what the actual query winds up being?
<atmosx> anyone has experience with sinatra and translations? that are in savedin yml saves?
<ari-_-e> it'll probably be obvious once you see it
<rkrdo> omosoj: and what does "select value from factbook_values where countryid = #{@id} and fieldid = #{@fields["population"]}" evaluate to?
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<omosoj> good call ari. heh. here's the problem
<omosoj> elect value from factbook_values where countryid = #<Mysql2::Result:0x8430a28> and fieldid = 29
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<omosoj> i'll fix that. how do i avoid sql injections? should i build the string before hand or use escaping?
<ari-_-e> omosoj: use a parameterized query or a query builder
<ari-_-e> those will both do the escaping for you
<omosoj> ok, thanks. thanks everyone!
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<shevy> dumdedum
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<sdegutis> What's a reasonable way to interpret command line arguments as a command with its own arguments (some optional) in such a way that if you skip some, you don't just see raw exceptions?
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<ari-_-e> sdegutis: perhaps this: https://github.com/erikhuda/thor ?
<sdegutis> So far, I've just been requiring that subclasses implement :call, and I use instance_method(:call).parameters to get the params to print.
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<sdegutis> ari-_-e: Hmm, looks interesting, I'll take a look, thanks.
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<sdegutis> For the record, this is the ugly hack I've been using so far: https://github.com/sdegutis/billow/blob/master/lib/billow/interpreter.rb
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<benzrf> sdegutis: whats billow
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<benzrf> sdegutis: hmm this looks kinda like ansible
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<sdegutis> benzrf: it's much more similar to http://fuckingshellscripts.org/
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<sdegutis> benzrf|offline: except billow is simpler for me to understand
<sdegutis> whereas FSS has more implicit rules that are hard to guess
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<shevy> do you guys have any tips for rewrites?
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<atmosx> hello
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<atmosx> shevy: what rewrites? nginx rewrites?
<shevy> atmosx nono I mean
<ari-_-e> shevy: you should rewrite everything at least once a week
<shevy> like you have a codebase that's like 8 years old
<shevy> ari-_-e I don't have the time, that's the problem
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<shevy> and rewrites take a lot of time away :(
<ari-_-e> farm it out to India then
<shevy> nah
<atmosx> shevy: if it works, don't touch it lolol
<shevy> they don't have beautiful minds over there
<shevy> we don't want mass production of code, we want beautiful, elegant ideas
<ari-_-e> such a hipster
<atmosx> Just the idea that people were writing ruby code 8 years ago is scary to me
<shevy> atmosx yeah but what if it is a mess? what if adding features is very hard and annoying?
<shevy> I mean I could let it stay as it is
<shevy> but it's ugly!
<shevy> atmosx hey I have code like that :)
<atmosx> shevy: rewrite i then
<shevy> small scripts I can easily delete
<atmosx> who cares if it's ugly?
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<atmosx> refactore it when you have time
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<atmosx> if it works IMHO, there's no need to think about it, since time is an issue
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<ari-_-e> shevy: I bet 8 years ago you were all like "nye heh heh, I'm going to make this ugly and horrible so that my future self will HATE ME"
<shevy> but the larger codebases that actually do something useful, that's much harder to want to delete
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<atmosx> I receive 26 spam messages per day on average
<shevy> ari-_-e well it's hard to predict the future
<atmosx> I think it's good, 97.8% spam accuracy for my filters
<shevy> atmosx noone writes me emails :(
<atmosx> shevy: I will if it makes you feel better
<atmosx> hahaha
<shevy> don't spam me man!
<atmosx> I receive more than 10-15 per week
<shevy> :P
<atmosx> lol
<shevy> actually you are right
<shevy> I also get spam, but it lands in the spam folder
<atmosx> yeap
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<omosoj> is there a way to interpolate the name of a the method you're calling into a string?
<ari-_-e> omosoj: could you give an example?
<ari-_-e> or what you want to do?
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<omosoj> ugh, i'm new so i'm probably doing it all wrong... but i'll explain
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<atmosx> "hello #{world.to_s.my_custom_method}"?
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<omosoj> i'm defining a method named, for example, population. inside the method i want to create the string "this is the name of the method: #{blah}"
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<ari-_-e> alright, that makes sense
<omosoj> atomsx, what is world there?
<ari-_-e> why do you want to do that?
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<omosoj> i'm creating a class to query a database and i'm creating a method for each attribute
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<omosoj> but i'm using shortcut names instead of names of columns in the database, so i created a hash that maps the shortcut names to the database
<omosoj> the shortcut names are the names of the methods too
<omosoj> (does this make sense? it's probably poor architecture)
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<omosoj> atmosx, i don't understand that.
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<ari-_-e> omosoj: can you paste your code?
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<omosoj> whoa, ROFL, it exists
<omosoj> __method__
<atmosx> omosoj: can you show us the code?
<atmosx> omosoj: gist or something?
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<banisterone> Omosoj __callee__ too
<omosoj> def lol; puts "the name of this method is: #{__method__}; end
<omosoj> >> def lol; puts "the name of this method is: #{__method__}; end
<eval-in> omosoj => /tmp/execpad-471c3b271c23/source-471c3b271c23:7: syntax error, unexpected end-of-input, expecting keyword_end (https://eval.in/159729)
<omosoj> >> lol
<eval-in> omosoj => undefined local variable or method `lol' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/159730)
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<omosoj> >> def lol; puts "the name of this method is: #{__method__}"; end; lol
<eval-in> omosoj => the name of this method is: lol ... (https://eval.in/159731)
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<omosoj> thanks ari-_-e and atmosx
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<benzrf> >> __method__
<eval-in> benzrf => nil (https://eval.in/159733)
<benzrf> o-o
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<benzrf> >> def foo; __method__; end;
<eval-in> benzrf => :foo (https://eval.in/159734)
<benzrf> >> def foo; __method__; end; foo
<eval-in> benzrf => :foo (https://eval.in/159735)
<benzrf> >> def foo; __method__; end; foo.class
<eval-in> benzrf => Symbol (https://eval.in/159736)
<benzrf> eenteresting
<atmosx> >> __callee__
<eval-in> atmosx => nil (https://eval.in/159737)
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<atmosx> >> def interesting; puts "method is #{__callee__}";end;interesting
<eval-in> atmosx => method is interesting ... (https://eval.in/159738)
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<shevy> omosoj you can also always try to use .send on any object
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<ari-_-e> omosoj: are you unable to share the code?
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<omosoj> art-_-e, no i can share it but i think i figured it out
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<omosoj> but if you're curious i'll gist it
<ari-_-e> using __method__ is probably not the best solution
<ari-_-e> yeah
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<omosoj> is __callee__ better?
<ari-_-e> no
<omosoj> def test; puts __callee__.class; end
<omosoj> >>def test; puts __callee__.class; end
<eval-in> omosoj => :test (https://eval.in/159741)
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<ari-_-e> omosoj: def returns a symbol with the name of the function
<benzrf> >>def test; puts __callee__.class; end; test
<eval-in> benzrf => Symbol ... (https://eval.in/159742)
<benzrf> omosoj: ftfy
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<centrx> >> __callee__
<eval-in> centrx => nil (https://eval.in/159743)
<centrx> My work is done here
<benzrf>
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<omosoj> hold on let me reformat it
<centrx> two 8-space tabs for indentation. Impressive
<Hanmac> look:
<Hanmac> >> def abc; [__method__,__callee__];end; alias xyz abc; xyz
<eval-in> Hanmac => [:abc, :xyz] (https://eval.in/159744)
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<centrx> omosoj, You only need one method for all those similar SQL strings. That method can take a parameter for the @fields key
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<centrx> omosoj, Also it's cleaner to use a SQL library or ORM
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<ari-_-e> omosoj: ah yes, I suspected you might be doing something like this
<omosoj> centrx, i had an idea that that was possible but didn't know how to do it
<ari-_-e> omosoj: there's a LOT of duplication here
<omosoj> yes
<omosoj> there are about 200 methods i want to be available
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<ari-_-e> omosoj: you can write one method that takes an argument
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<ari-_-e> the field to get
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<omosoj> should i be using activerecord to do what i'm trying to do?
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<centrx> ActiveRecord is a good ORM. Sequel is another one.
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<ari-_-e> omosoj: do you know how to add an argument to a function?
<omosoj> ari-_-e, yeah
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<ari-_-e> omosoj: so could you change all of these into one method which takes an argument?
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<omosoj> something like this, right? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/3a88848b04eea4eb9ada
<stevesmename> I want to monitor file changes on a linux system (crud). I see Listen.to() function might be able to do this, https://github.com/guard/listen. In the usage example I am curious how to update the Listen.to('directory/path', 'other/directory')? Is there a way to make the directories a variable and not lose changes while file changes are being made?
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<omosoj> lol. ok, got it working.
<centrx> stevesmename, It looks like rb-inotify is another one with active development
<ari-_-e> omosoj: yup, looks good
<centrx> stevesmename, If performance is a concern, using the built-in Linux inotify system should be significantly faster.
<centrx> (through rb-inotify or something else)
<centrx> stevesmename, Listen looks like it may have a lot more features
<ari-_-e> omosoj: you can use an ORM or a query builder or something like that - it's up to you
<ari-_-e> you should at least do a parameterized query though
<stevesmename> centrx, thanks inotify has been something I have been reading a lot on today. just hesitant on which program language to write within (ruby, python, Go)
<centrx> stevesmename, It looks like Listen may actually use rb-inotify internally if it is on a Linux system
<ari-_-e> ugh, does mysql2 only have that escape function?
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<centrx> stevesmename, Those are all good languages. Ruby is of course the best.
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<gruz0[russia]> centrx, +1
<gruz0[russia]> :-)
<stevesmename> :)
<omosoj> don't know
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<omosoj> how would active record improve the script?
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<centrx> omosoj, An ORM will handle escaping for you. On the other hand, it might be a detour if your program is mostly finished or is just an experiment.
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<centrx> omosoj, Your gists seem to have disappeared or something...
<ari-_-e> mysql2 claims to be a "modern" mysql library
<ari-_-e> what a joke
<omosoj> centrx, yes i deleted it. can repost if you want
<ari-_-e> I guess it's just a binding
<centrx> omosoj, But from what I remember, your query would turn into something like this: Facebook.where(potato: potato).where(other_thing: that_thing)
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<omosoj> k
<centrx> "select value from factbook_values where countryid = #{@id} and fieldid = #{fields[field]}" would become:
<centrx> FacebookValue.where(country: my_country).where(field: fields[field])
<centrx> and you can chain on further things onto the query
<centrx> So it makes for a more concise style that is similar to the object-oriented style of the programming, instead of basically inserting a completely different programming language.
<omosoj> ok, cool.
<centrx> It has a lot more features as well depending on what you are doing.
<centrx> Your current code is a huge security vulnerability if either @id or fields comes from user input
<omosoj> ok. would AR take care of that?
<centrx> Yes
<centrx> The advantage of using Sequel over ActiveRecord is it is more lightweight and is not Railsy
<omosoj> ok, i'll switch it over at some point. any other comments on the overall structure?
<omosoj> i see
<ari-_-e> omosoj: any sql library which lets you pass in parameters in a special way will escape them for you
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<ari-_-e> avoiding sql injections is really important
<omosoj> k. this isn't for public (yet) but i should probably learn how to do it most securely.
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<centrx> omosoj, structure looks good. A lot of these methods become unnecessary for you to implement with an ORM
<atmosx> guys you use the 'Date' format in SQL databases or just string?
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<centrx> omosoj, @fields should be a constant in the class, FIELDS, not an instance variable
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<omosoj> should i push the content of fields into the database?
<centrx> That's another option yes
<omosoj> so i can search by the method calls instead of correlating them to numbers then searching the database with numbers
<centrx> omosoj, Why do you have this fields mapping in the first place? Do these names/numbers come from somewhere else?
<omosoj> but not a huge deal?
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<omosoj> yeah... i don't own the database so it will be updated by someone else and i'll be able to download it.
<omosoj> eerr... for example. population, in the database is "Population"
<omosoj> internet_users is Total Internet Users, or something
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<centrx> omosoj, Here is how it might look with an ORM and a few stylistic changes: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/b1c9b7f83a0e4d3c8bc8
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<centrx> omosoj, Putting the fields in the database allows fields changes to be made without changing the code
<Nilium> Oh neat, mruby is a register machine
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<ari-_-e> [0..-1] is just all of them, isn't it?
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<markalanevans> Hey guys, how do i check to see if an instance of an object has an attribute?
<n_blownapart> hi your favorite math algorithem paste . still seeking help on this thanks: http://pastie.org/9262589
<Nilium> Must read more mruby source code..
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<ari-_-e> markalanevans: respond_to?
<markalanevans> checking
<ari-_-e> markalanevans: attributes are just methods
<Nilium> n_blownapart: Doing Project Euler?
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<n_blownapart> yes sir/maam
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<Nilium> I'd say I prefer madam but then people might get the wrong idea when they find out I'm a guy.
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<n_blownapart> Nilium: how about wench?
<ari-_-e> on the internet you can be whatever you want
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<n_blownapart> ari-_-e: !!
<ari-_-e> uh oh
<ari-_-e> I've been spotted
<Nilium> No, I'd definitely prefer madam.
<n_blownapart> ari-_-e: that's right youre in trouble.
<ari-_-e> have I been a very bad boy?
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<n_blownapart> ari-_-e: hey I knew that to change the puts statement would change the output, but I still don't why the inject/ each_with_object hashes wouldn't 'finish'. no you're nice.
<n_blownapart> know *
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<n_blownapart> ari-_-e: i.e. why those methods return the hash built up and then just stopped at the last k/v pair.
<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: you couldn't tell what they were returning
<ari-_-e> you weren't capturing the return value
<n_blownapart> ari-_-e: is the return value actually the last (complete) hash, or the last k/v pair?
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<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: paste the code again
<n_blownapart> ok
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<centrx> coooodddddeeee
<omosoj> centrx, thank you.
<n_blownapart> http://pastie.org/9269123 I kept the puts statement on the same incorrect line for our purposes. ari-_-e
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<markalanevans> tnd ari-_-e that worked perfectly!
<n_blownapart> so in terms of program flow ... the hash populates and suddenly jumps to the puts statement before nearly complete. this is the trouble.
<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: you changed the indentation
<n_blownapart> sorry want a repost?
<ari-_-e> ok
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<ari-_-e> you can check what these methods pretty easily
<ari-_-e> just assign them to something
<ari-_-e> *what these methods return
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<n_blownapart> sorry not sure I know how. ...so the actual return value in the second example is the last k/v pair or is it the entire hash?
<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: well, how are you getting the return values of the other methods you are calling?
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<ari-_-e> you're doing it in a couple places in this file already
<centrx> actual return value of second example is "this is ignored"
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<n_blownapart> using puts, but in this case puts statement is , in my view, causing the hash to be populated incompletely.
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<ari-_-e> the puts is just printing stuff to the screen
<ari-_-e> it's not doing anything besides that
<centrx> n_blownapart, The return value of a method comes out of the complete method, not from inside the block
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<n_blownapart> centrx: that is interesting...hold on well this is the problem in my understanding.
<centrx> n_blownapart, the puts in the second example is simply putsing transformed before you add the last word to it
<n_blownapart> centrx: ari-_-e why on earth would it go to line 17, do the operation, and skip out on the last pair?
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<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: why do you think it's skipping anything?
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<n_blownapart> because the capitalization of yesterday, "yesterday" => "Yesterday" is missing.
<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: missing from where?
<ari-_-e> how do you know it's missing?
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<n_blownapart> at some point ari-_-e the puts statement takes precedence over the completion of the hash.
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<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: no, it does not
<ari-_-e> answer the question
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<n_blownapart> well, it's missing from what puts returns.
<ari-_-e> what are you looking at that is telling you that something was skipped
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<centrx> n_blownapart, line 15 gets executed before line 16, so the puts does not see the result of line 16 in the final iteration
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<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: puts does not return anything
<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: it prints things
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<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: is puts printing the return values of your inject and each_with_object calls?
<n_blownapart> ari-_-e: right, the return in nil. centrx line 15? that's blank.
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<n_blownapart> ari-_-e: sorry I must be missing your point.
<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: you keep talking about return values
<ari-_-e> but you're not doing anything with the return values
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<centrx> n_blownapart, Sorry I meant 16 and 17 instead of 15 and 16
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<n_blownapart> centrx: ari-_-e thanks pondering ...
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<n_blownapart> ok centrx I understand that code. And I understand that having the puts statement prior to line 17 *could* cause a problem. but why doesn't the last k/v print along with the rest of those incrementing hashes?
<n_blownapart> ari-_-e: ^
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<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: i = 0; puts i; i = 5;
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<ari-_-e> what does that code print?
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<n_blownapart> 0
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<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: x = {}; puts x; x['abc'] = 'Abc'
<ari-_-e> what does that code print?
<n_blownapart> but line 17 is busily working on the hashes, and the control suddenly moves back to print. it seems abitrary...why not on the second hash ?
<n_blownapart> ari-_-e: one sec
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<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: you're not just running these in irb or whatever are you?
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<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: I don't know what you mean
<ari-_-e> control suddenly moves back?
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<n_blownapart> sorry I would really like to continue but I need 5 mins.
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<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: in "i = 0; puts i; i = 5;" does i get set to 5?
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<n_blownapart> ari-_-e: yes zero is overwritten and is 5
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<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: but how do you know?
<ari-_-e> 0 is printed
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<ari-_-e> so maybe the puts stopped the program
<n_blownapart> I know because I could puts i again.
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<n_blownapart> ari-_-e: well yeah, I can tell the puts stopped the program. but I would like to know why *then* and why *there*
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<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: does i get set to 5?
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<ari-_-e> you already said yes, but doesn't that imply that the program does NOT stop?
<ari-_-e> not at the puts, anyway?
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<Sigma00> what are you guys arguing about?
<n_blownapart> ari-_-e: ok the program doesn't stop, so the last pair is not printed along with the other 6 incrementing hashes. why does ruby not 'finish' building the hash. ie. why can't the puts statement be put anywhere in the block?
<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: it can
<ari-_-e> you can put the puts wherever you want
<n_blownapart> but the results differ.
<ari-_-e> yes
<ari-_-e> because things happen in order
<ari-_-e> the interpreter reads your program
<ari-_-e> it sees the first expression
<ari-_-e> it executes it
<ari-_-e> it sees the second expression
<ari-_-e> it executes it
<ari-_-e> etc
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<ari-_-e> you CHANGE transformed in that block
<ari-_-e> so it is DIFFERENT in different places in the block
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<ari-_-e> Sigma00: I'm really not sure
<n_blownapart> Sigma00: not an argument this guy is like boddhisattva
<Sigma00> is it the pastebin? the thing that ends with "this is ignored" ?
<n_blownapart> yeah
<Sigma00> it's not ignored, each doesn't return anything
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<Sigma00> you create a string and do nothing with it
<Sigma00> each_with_object returns the object
<ari-_-e> each_with_object does return something
<Sigma00> it doesn't care what you do in the block, it will return the object
<n_blownapart> Sigma00: I think for illustration the author wrote 'this is ignored'
<ari-_-e> but the return value of the blocks are ignored
<Sigma00> n_blownapart: what's your argument?
<n_blownapart> Sigma00: I'm a noob asking a question that seems valid to me.
<Sigma00> on your pastie, removing line 9 would do nothing, because each_with_object returns the object. YOu need to explicitly manipulate the object
<Sigma00> oh wait that's inject
<Sigma00> whoops
<n_blownapart> line 17 builds 7 incrementing hashes if the puts statement is in the right place....
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<n_blownapart> but put the puts statement on line 16, and the hashes printed out number 6
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<n_blownapart> ari-_-e: has been very patient, but I don't see why the last k/v pair is not printed...since the method iterates through the first 6 words and capitalizes them.
<Sigma00> so you're confused as to why changing the place 'puts transformed' is changes the output?
<Sigma00> it's not printed because you're printing before you add it to the hash
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<Sigma00> if you'll notice, the first time puts happens it prints an EMPTY hash
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<n_blownapart> ok, thanks I see that, but why does it trail off on the last word, and not on the first? Empty? yeah why is that?
<Sigma00> because at first, the hash is empty
<Sigma00> you start with {}
<Sigma00> you call puts on that which prints
<Sigma00> "{}"
<Sigma00> then you do transformed[word] = "four".capitalize
<Sigma00> which adds "four" => "Four" to the hash, giving you {"four" => "Four"}
<Sigma00> and you print that
<Sigma00> on the next run
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<Sigma00> you're completely new to programming, right?
<Sigma00> I suggest you manually follow the program and write down the outputs for each command
<Sigma00> it should help you understand
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<ari-_-e> I suggested that
<Sigma00> on each run, you first print the object as it is currently, then you add a new object to the array. This happens for all objects. Naturally this means the last object added won't get printed
<Sigma00> s/array/hash/
<Sigma00> I have arrays on my mind
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<n_blownapart> Sigma00: so you're referring to the second example, not the 'four score and..' one.
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<Sigma00> yes, the second
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<Sigma00> mama died today...
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<Sigma00> did you read the docs for inject and each_with_object?
<n_blownapart> yeah I do understand the block arguments get reversed and the need of transform to be last with inject .. after the puts statement.
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* Sigma00 nods
<n_blownapart> there are other distinctions between the two that I don't have a full grip of.
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<Sigma00> inject literally injects the return of the block into the object
<Sigma00> each_with_object just makes an object available in the block and returns it in the end
<Sigma00> the thing that worries me is that you don't understand why the last object doesn't print when puts is before the assignment
<Sigma00> and I don't know how to explain it differently
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<ari-_-e> let's simplify this a little
<Sigma00> to take something ari-_-e was saying earlier, if you write i = 4; puts i; i = 5; i will equal 5 in the end, but what you'll print is '4' because that was the value when you called the command
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<ari-_-e> >> i = 0; 10.times { puts i; i += 1}
<eval-in> ari-_-e => 0 ... (https://eval.in/159745)
<ari-_-e> did I mess that up
<toertore> n_blownapart: you are confusing return values with what you're actually seeing in your terminal
<Sigma00> should have used print
<havenwood> ari-_-e: just: 10.times { |i| puts i }
<ari-_-e> havenwood: no, that's not what I want
<Sigma00> ari-_-e: you did it right, but eval-in won't print more than one line
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<toertore> n_blownapart: puts does not tell you anything about what inject or each_with_object actually returns
<Sigma00> and puts adds a newline
<Sigma00> use print
<havenwood> ari-_-e: how's what you wrote different?
<Sigma00> havenwood: the logic is completely different
<Sigma00> results are exactly the smae
<Sigma00> same
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<ari-_-e> >> i = 0; 10.times { print i; i += 1}
<eval-in> ari-_-e => 012345678910 (https://eval.in/159746)
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<ari-_-e> it looks like eval-in very helpfully prints the return of the entire thing
<Sigma00> i = 0; 10.times { print i,' '; i += 1}
<havenwood> >> 10.times { |i| print i }
<eval-in> havenwood => 012345678910 (https://eval.in/159747)
<toertore> n_blownapart: http://pastie.org/9269253
<ari-_-e> that's why the 10 is at the end
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<Sigma00> just like the console
<n_blownapart> toertore: ok well if puts doesn't 'reflect' what is returned then I am screwed. Sigma00
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<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: ^
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<toertore> n_blownapart: it does
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<Sigma00> n_blownapart: the console shows the returned value so you can DEBUG
<havenwood> Sigma00: what's different? maybe i just need to read back in the log?
<Sigma00> it is not SOP
<Hanmac> >> 10.times(&:display)
<eval-in> Hanmac => 012345678910 (https://eval.in/159749)
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<toertore> n_blownapart: as i said, you are confusing what you see with what is actually happening
<Hanmac> havenwood: learn the #display method ;P
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<Sigma00> n_blownapart: why are you screwed?
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<Sigma00> just gotta remember that the console is special and gives you the returned value so you can make sure things work
<havenwood> Hanmac: mmmhmm
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<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: with what is returned from WHAT?
<Sigma00> things won't be printed unless you specifically ask them to be
<Sigma00> ari-_-e: he wants an implicit puts on the return of the block
<Sigma00> which is bonkers
<toertore> n_blownapart: it is simply because you puts it before the change has been made, nothing more
<ari-_-e> there does seem to be some confusion between returning and printing, yes
<toertore> n_blownapart: in your example, the actual *return value* gets lost because you are not saving it
<n_blownapart> Sigma00: not bonkers. I just thought that ruby would finish the populating, then print, since puts does 'work to an extent' there.
<ari-_-e> argh
<Sigma00> the console uses => VALUE to let you understand that this won't be normal in an actual program
<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: https://eval.in/159752
<Sigma00> it's for debugging
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<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: write down everything that happens in that little snippet of code, in order
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<n_blownapart> ok, I just need to relearn something I thought was true.
<ari-_-e> in case you don't know, that block will be executed 10 times with the values 0 to 9
<Sigma00> n_blownapart: https://eval.in/159757
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<Sigma00> that's how you would do it if you want the whole thing without changing anything in the block
<toertore> n_blownapart: http://pastie.org/9269263
<toertore> this is what is happening
<Sigma00> see how I save it to an object and EXPLICITLY put it?
<n_blownapart> ari-_-e: really , with an empty {} returned first, why not 8 times?
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<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: huh?
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<toertore> n_blownapart: i suggest you take a step back and find something less complicated to work on until you understand this
<n_blownapart> ari-_-e: you talking to haven*wood?
<ari-_-e> no?
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<ari-_-e> this shows the same behavior that you're seeing, but with fewer distractions
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<ari-_-e> write down everything that happens, in order
<ari-_-e> in fact, here
<ari-_-e> let me make this easier for you
<Hanmac> n_blownapart: why should it retrun {} 8 times? it isnt that the hash is emptied each time
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<ari-_-e> n_blownapart: https://eval.in/159763
<ari-_-e> now the block will be executed once with the value 0
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<n_blownapart> toertore: ari-_-e Sigma00 look. I deeply appreciate it. Between the code examples and the comment about debugging I will get it. thank you ! Hanmac because is one empty hash returned plus 7 words to be capitalized. but thanks very much !
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<n_blownapart> one empty hash is * ^
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<Sigma00> n_blownapart: http://pastie.org/9269268
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<n_blownapart> Sigma00: many thanks all !
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<Sigma00> by the way, one of the pasties I gave you was code to do exactly what you want
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<Sigma00> in a proper way
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<Sigma00> that is, actually print all 7 words with the empty hash at the beginning
<Sigma00> n_blownapart: https://eval.in/159757
<Sigma00> anyhow I'm gone, later
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<n_blownapart> Sigma00: cool I think I'll get this when I calm down.. later
<pasties> Sigma00: You're the first one to actually ping me on IRC accidentally that way... Surprised it hasn't happened more often given the context
<Sigma00> pasties: your nick makes me think of nipple pasties
<Sigma00> also I guess that's because usually people use gist
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<pasties> Sigma00: hahah and that's how I got the handle
<ari-_-e> pasties: just don't join any channels about burlesque
<Hanmac> https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8213523200/h7D09913B/ "Space and Time Invaders"
<n_blownapart> did someone say nipple
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<havenwood> Hanmac: what's the plural of Tardis?
<katlogic> Tarden
<mozzarella> holyshit I just discovered divmod
<Hanmac> havenwood: Tardisis ... said in S6E4 or similar
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<mozzarella> >> 5.divmod(2)
<eval-in> mozzarella => [2, 1] (https://eval.in/159764)
<Hanmac> havenwood: whats your DoctorWho episode?
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<havenwood> same
<Hanmac> havenwood: comment to this? https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8212392448/h96CA79E5/
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<havenwood> ActiveSupport says: 'tardis'.pluralize #=> "tardis"
<havenwood> katlogic: yeah, i like Tarden
<havenwood> hem, i guess we should pull request to Rails
<ari-_-e> hah
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<omosoj> in activerecord, there is one class per model per table, right?
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<Morrolan> Uhu.
<Morrolan> Well, not necessarily - mapping tables don't get their own class.
<ari-_-e> sometimes one table holds objects of multiple models
<ari-_-e> in single table inheritance, for example
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<omosoj> hmm. sheesh, when is this all gonna start making sense?
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<omosoj> do models exist outside of rails?
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<ari-_-e> "models" are a pretty general concept, yes
<Morrolan> Just start playing with ActiveRecord. Work on a small project, you should get the basics quite quickly.
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<Morrolan> Then you can start worrying about terminology. :P
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<omosoj> k
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<guilund> hey guys
<guilund> im having an issue
<guilund> i want to copy a directory from one place to another
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<guilund> im using cp_r, it works fine if i use '/src/.', 'dest/'
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<guilund> it mantains the directory structure inside the dest
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<guilund> but i need to remove some files, so i tried Dir[src/**/*], 'dest/'
<guilund> it worked, but it didnt mantained the directory structure
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<guilund> and i need to create an array of files, to remove another array from the src file list
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<guilund> someone have an idea how can i solve it?
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<guilund> :/
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<guilund> its a trivial task, i dont know why ruby makes it so difficult
<benzrf> guilund: hmm?
<benzrf> what do you need to do?
<guilund> hey benzrf
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<guilund> i need to copy a directory from one src to dest
<guilund> using Fileutils.cp_r 'src/.', 'dest/'
<dorei> any good books on tdd you'd suggest me?
<guilund> it works fine
<guilund> but i need to remove a list of files
<guilund> from the src
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<guilund> i can remove the files, after copy, but im looking if theres a solution
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<guilund> to remove the files before copy
<guilund> so i tried Dir['src/**/*'] to create an array of files
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<guilund> and removed the array of the files i dont want to copy
<guilund> but when im copying it, it doesnt keep the dir structure
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<guilund> it copy the files to dest/
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<guilund> without the dir structure from src
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<guilund> benzrf: you know how can i solve it?
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<benzrf> guilund: eh?
<benzrf> guilund: oic
<benzrf> guilund: interesting question :-)
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<benzrf> honestly i am not so sure of the answer!
<benzrf> you could try rolling your own solution :u
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<guilund> my solution is copying all the files, then remove the files i dont want :P
<benzrf> ick!
<guilund> but it seems a little messy
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<benzrf> guilund: that's poor practice!
<guilund> yeah... i know
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<sdegutis> Really satisfied with how this project turned out.
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