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<alexandrite> havenwood, 2.0.14
<havenwood> alexandrite: does it work after updating RubyGems?: gem update --system
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<alexandrite> havenwood, I've installed mime-types, gonna try to install rails again, if that doesn't work I'll update gem
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<foobarbaz> Is it possible to provide a getter method for a property in ruby with a custom lookup?
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<benzrf> foobarbaz: huh?
<benzrf> a property?
<benzrf> do you mean an ivar?
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<foobarbaz> benzrf: http://pastebin.com/sWbDey8F
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<foobarbaz> Yes the props property is an array, but i want additional functionality when foo.props['a'] is called
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<ixti> apeiros: might be interesting for you too :D
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<ixti> although imho ruby should have somethig like this built in
<ixti> e.g. it can be a const called __DATA__
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<ixti> same as DATA but of __FILE__ :D
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<eam> does ruby not have __DATA__ ?
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<ixti> no
<eam> bummer
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<eam> in perl, __DATA__ does exactly what you want
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<foobarbaz> Anyone know if what i want is possible? :)
<eam> weird that didn't get copied over with __END__
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<ixti> eam: yup
<alexandrite> perl is crazy
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<alexandrite> ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN ANYTIME ANYWHERE ANYHOW
<eam> about as crazy as ruby :)
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<alexandrite> ruby is a little bit more jealous of perl tho cause she knows how to please a man's desire to regex everything da F*F*F*F* up
<ixti> alexandrite: so you think it's not crazy to copy something but in a half-unpredictable-way?
<ixti> foobarbaz: you will need a delegator
<alexandrite> im srry ruby i love ya girl but perl is undeniably more powerful but we can still hangout and email each other every now n then
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<wallerdev> more powerful lol
<eam> more reliable imo
<eam> powerful is too vague to form an opinion on
<alexandrite> shes got a nicer butt
<ixti> foobarbaz: or custom class entirely
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<ixti> something like this
<ixti> also, i think you are missing arrays with hashes
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<ixti> If you need analogue of "array with keys" (from PHP), you need Hash in ruby:
<ixti> foo = {}
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<ixti> Array in it's turn is an "inedexed array" in terms of PHP (`array("foo", "bar")`)
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<ixti> foobarbaz: PHP { array("a", "b", "c") } => RUBY { ["a", "b", "c"] }
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<ixti> foobarbaz: PHP { array("a" => "b") } => RUBY { {"a" => "b"} }
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<alexandrite> actually.. as of 5.4/5.5 you can do ["a" => "b"] in PHP
<ixti> alexandrite: that doesn't make lots of difference actually :D
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<foobarbaz> ixti: thanks, went for the second class approach
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<foobarbaz> my class actually already had def [](name) already you see :P
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<ixti> yeah
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<ixti> might interest you for inspiration :))
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<foobarbaz> class << self
<foobarbaz> o.O
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<ixti> executes block on class singleton
<ixti> in other words it defined Headers.coerce method and it's alias: Headers[]
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<foobarbaz> ah, cool
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<alexandrite> how do i update gem again
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<sevenseacat> as in, update rubygems itself? `gem update --system`
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<alexandrite> thanks!
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<Creeves> posted this os RoR but no replies for a while: https://gist.github.com/Creeves/0c0b4b9a91db96acc338
<Creeves> if anyone can help
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<Creeves> on*
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<jxf> is there a way to convert a method to a block? I have a method `foo` whose *contents* I would like to run inside another block, e.g. "bar.instance_eval { foo }", but `foo` is a method on the enclosing object, not a method on bar
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<jxf> (basically, I want it to work as if I had copy-pasted the definition of foo in lieu of the word "foo" in "bar.instance_eval { foo }")
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<yakko> hey guys, you recommend any PM podecast?
<yakko> podcasts*
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<rkazak> Hmm, maybe there is somethng in iTunes U ?
<Steve21> pm?
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<Steve21> like proj mgmt?
<yakko> yup, project management
<Steve21> What specially are you trying to learn about?
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<yakko> Steve21: just trying to see PMs speaking their mind
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<Steve21> Agile?
<yakko> yes
<Steve21> Type of industry?
<yakko> ours, ruby if possibl
<Steve21> using ruby for what
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<Steve21> Application/product, service/consulting, internal IT, etc?
<alexandrite> do u guys know of any nice/cool gui framework thingies for ruby?
<rkazak> Agile works for certain types of develpment, I don’t think I am a fan...
<Steve21> shoes is easy: https://github.com/shoes/shoes
<yakko> Steve21: I'm down for anything
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<Steve21> For PM, honesty the best way to start is watch some short Youtube videos: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=project+management+basics
<yakko> Steve21: if you have such a list it would be awesome, really appreciate your taking the time
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<chris349> After I run bundle install I still get errors about missing gems. When I comment out the erroring module in Gemfile that parcicular error goes away. How can I force Gemfile to see the installed modules?
<Steve21> These are also good little videos to get the principles: https://www.youtube.com/user/AgileAcademyAus/videos
<yakko> Steve21: seen that one, like, I just really want to see PMs getting together and talking about their problems, like coders do
<Steve21> So your best bet there is pick conference videos to look up
<yakko> Steve21: looking for real world people, not puritans and unrealistic propaganda
<Steve21> like Railscon
<Steve21> or DrupalCon
<Steve21> Rubycon etc
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<yakko> I just can't really figure out what to google for in order to get that kind of stuff =P
<Steve21> go to the conf site and then look up the videos from there
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<yakko> Steve21: thanks, that's actually pretty good avise :)
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<alexandrite> poignant is a genius ;_;
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<seitensei> poignant?
<seitensei> Are you referring to why?
<yakko> :)
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<Steve21> What do people use for their Issue Queues / PM tools?
<sevenseacat> we use pivotal tracker
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<rkazak> Jira/Confluamce
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<alexandrite> Please update your PATH to include build tools or download the DevKit
<alexandrite> Does DevKit come with Ruby?
<sevenseacat> smells like windows... i dont think so
<Steve21> Why Jira, pivotal tracker instead of say “GitHub”
<rkazak> Steve21: Jira / Confluence
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<Steve21> What is the “missing Features” typically
<rkazak> work demands…
<Steve21> Why Jira/Confulence.
<Steve21> :)
<Steve21> okay, ypu know the reasons why?
<Steve21> like do you have Time Tracking?
<rkazak> nope.
<alexandrite> sevenseacat rlly :(
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<Steve21> Gants?
<alexandrite> how big are the kits?
<rkazak> I think it’s the agile support in there.
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<alexandrite> 42mb ;(
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<Steve21> Agile support like a Kanban board?
<alexandrite> i think i made the mistake of getting ruby 2
<sevenseacat> i dont know. i didnt make the decision to use PT.
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<rkazak> alexandrite: ???
<sevenseacat> thats not a mistake
<sevenseacat> ruby 2 is good
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<alexandrite> "Ruby 2.0.0, specially the 64bits version, are relatively new on the Windows area and not all the packages have been updated to be compatible with it. To use this version you will require some knowledge about compilers and solving dependency issues, which might be too complicated if you just want to play with the language."
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<yakko> what is this Windows thing people keep talking about?
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<Steve21> Here is a screenshot: http://toastytech.com/guis/win31progman2.png
<Steve21> fairly advanced
<sevenseacat> im not familiar with ruby on windows, but ruby 1.9.3 (the last version before 2) is in maintenance mode and only getting security patches... i guess if you only want to play with the language it would be okay, but if you want to develop with it, no
<yakko> Steve21: ohh, I used that when I was learning tech, are they still developing it? :)
<Steve21> a little
<Steve21> small, but growing community
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<yakko> cool, wish them luck
<yakko> I miss that sky game they have
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<Steve21> I miss the brick maze game
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<Nameo0> Hello, just wondering if 'retry' and 'redo' are seen as bad coding in ruby?
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<yakko> Nameo0: because it can lead to an infinite loop!??
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<Nameo0> Well my question is if they are seen as bad programming. I know that they can easily do infinite loops.
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<yakko> it's like using for over while is just better
<yakko> and like using each over for is just better too :)
<yakko> and like using goto isn't good, ever
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<diegoviola> so my client is asking me how long it would take me to fix their code, how do you respond to something like this when you don't know their code yet?
<diegoviola> this is annoying
<agent_white> Nameo0: I think they are largely used for catching exceptions. Don't use them as a replacement for looping over something.
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<diegoviola> i don't want to say a week and it takes me longer
<agent_white> diegoviola: Tell them exactly what you just said?
<agent_white> "I won't know until I see your code."
<agent_white> :D
<agent_white> diegoviola: And overestimate everything!
<rkazak> and what do they mean by fix ?
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<diegoviola> agent_white: well i have their codebase here, but i never worked with it before, i started working with them last Friday
<rkazak> bugs? features? refactor? performance?
<Nameo0> agent_white: Thank you. any advice on how to loop over something effiicently-ish?
<diegoviola> rkazak: they have some stupid bugs i have to fix
<akerl> diegoviola: Oh... so you just haven't looked yet
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<akerl> so... look?
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<akerl> Nameo0: You just want to loop forever?
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<agent_white> Nameo0: There are a bazillion in Ruby! http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.2/Enumerable.html
<Nameo0> agent_white: Thank you, I will look at that right now.
<agent_white> Nameo0: Play around with them! You'll find something that fancies you.
<Nameo0> aker1: I have a for loop and I want the for loop to restart if a variable change is detected.
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<agent_white> x = 0; unless x > 5; x += 1; end;
<agent_white> Something like that?
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<akerl> Nameo0: It sounds like what you want is a function
<Nameo0> I am trying to import a file into a folder. The code checks for possible duplication of file names and if a duplicate is detected, I want the for loop to restart after the file name for the importing file is updated.
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<Nameo0> I hope the last part of the sentence makes sense.
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<agent_white> Nameo0: Loop-> move file, check if matching filename already exists, handle if there is, move onto the next file.
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<agent_white> rather, first check for filename conflicts, then move it :P
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<Nameo0> Yes, that is what the code is doing.
<Nameo0> The issue is sometimes the new updated name is the same name of a file that was checked earlier before the duplicate.
<agent_white> Nameo0: Post your code!
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<agent_white> wat
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<diegoviola> raw_data = call('ws_full_uni', {codigo_torre: "%03d" % tower_code})
<diegoviola> i wonder what %03d in that line is?
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<diegoviola> ty
<agent_white> >> print ('%03d' % 2)
<eval-in> agent_white => 002nil (https://eval.in/163597)
<agent_white> >> print ('%03d' % 8)
<eval-in> agent_white => 008nil (https://eval.in/163598)
<agent_white> etc
<Nameo0> agent_white: Can't I jsut inclose the for loop, that checks for duplicates, inside of a while loop that runs until there are no changes made?
<agent_white> Nameo0: Yeah I'm looking at that... you gots LOTS of loops goin on in there.
<Nameo0> I have lots, but I have not coded for a while. This is me breaking in.
<agent_white> So what I'm seeing, is you're trying to move/resize/rename a image file?
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<Nameo0> move and rename, no resize. The sizes are to put the image file into a folder with its resolution.
<agent_white> Nameo0: If there is a conflict, how do you rename the file?
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<Nameo0> First time conflict rename from 1.png to 1 - copy(0).png
<Nameo0> Additional conflicts will just chage cop(0) to copy(1), and etc.
<agent_white> "copy"... so you're assuming it is a copy?
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<agent_white> and not a completeing different image, just with the same name?
<rkazak> just like OSX file copying ;)
<Nameo0> Yes, I don't care about the name.
<agent_white> Okey doke
<Nameo0> I have yet to add in duplicate image checking.
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<agent_white> rkazak: Ah I'm not familiar with that :P
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<agent_white> Nameo0: If you don't care about the name, why not just rand() the name?
<Nameo0> Well there is still the chance that two randoms can cause a conflict.
<agent_white> Or hash/salt the filename before moving?
<rkazak> why not gegenrate the md5 and call it that…. if you get an md5 conflict use SHA1
<agent_white> If you hash+salt, no way in hell will you get a conflict :P
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<agent_white> ^^^ listen to rkazak
<rkazak> :)
<Nameo0> I get these wallpapers from various sites that give the files to me with a hashed name already.
<agent_white> Nameo0: That's ok, rehash 'em.
<agent_white> :)
<Nameo0> Okay, I will do my best.
<Nameo0> Thank you everyone for your help! =)
<agent_white> Nameo0: Listen to rkazak! Just md5 it, and move it.
<agent_white> No way will you have conflicts, so no need to re-check the names.
<agent_white> :)
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<Nameo0> Last question, is there a way to limit the hash length?
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<agent_white> Nameo0: Just toss a index around the string... like
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<agent_white> >> "hello"[0..2]
<eval-in> agent_white => "hel" (https://eval.in/163604)
<Nameo0> Okay, thank you. =)
<agent_white> :D
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<rkazak> Hm, you can get a duplicate md5 if the contents are identical… but then reject….
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<shevy> what's new in ruby land
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<agent_white> Mmm trying to figure out how to clean up my code for my httpd
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<certainty> shevy: we're packing up and prepare to move to python land soonish. Go grab your lembas bread and hurry up
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<Ainieco> hello
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<greenarrow> ?
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<Ainieco> is it possible in new ruby >=2.1 to split string into lines lazily?
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<csmrfx> define lines
<csmrfx> did you mean 'split by line separator'
<greenarrow> \n
<Ainieco> I mean I want to split large string into lines and then find something withing these lines without actually aplitting *everything* in lines
<Ainieco> yep - \n
<csmrfx> Ainieco: do you use ri?
<apeiros> Ainieco: are you sure you're not prematurely optimizing?
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<apeiros> Ainieco: you can use scan for this purpose
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<Ainieco> csmrfx: no, I'm writing my own ruby application
<csmrfx> Ainieco: you need to use ri
<csmrfx> install ri, and then
<Ainieco> apeiros: no, it's premature. thanks for scan I'll check it out
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<csmrfx> $ ri String
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<Hanmac> Ainieco: did you see each_line ?
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<apeiros> Ainieco: also, you might also consider just searching in the whole string instead of splitting and then searching
<apeiros> Ainieco: and just to have it reiterated - given that you already have the full string loaded, it really sounds like premature optimization. a split would only double memory consumption.
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<Ainieco> apeiros: hm, you're probably right, basically my goal is to parse protocol very similar to HTTP or email in 'field-name ":" [ field-body ] CRLF' BNF sense
<Hanmac> Ainieco: are you reading a file or a IO? if yes look at io.each_line
<Ainieco> and I'm really cautious about memroy consupmtion because I've already failed at this once and now it's my second attempt to rewrite my app to use less memory
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<Ainieco> Hanmac: is reading a file is an IO?
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<Ainieco> isn't*
<apeiros> (given that ruby substrings have COW semantics, it might even be *far* less than double - not sure split uses those shared substring semantics, though)
<certainty> apeiros: i'd argue that rather then a premature optimization it is a reasonable thing to not load all data into memory that some possibly untrusted source sends you. What do you think?
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<Hanmac> Ainieco: i mean there is File.foreach(name) as a class method and io.each_line as a instance method
<Ainieco> generally for protocol parsing i would use some parser generator but not exactly sure if there is memory efficient one for ruby
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<Ainieco> Hanmac: all input I have is a String
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<Hanmac> then like i said String has each_line too
<apeiros> certainty: I think you've already lost then, because he already has the data loaded
<apeiros> certainty: i.e. if you only consider this at the moment you're splitting, you're too late
<apeiros> certainty: but yes, part of "don't trust user input" is that when you read it, you define a reasonable max size
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<apeiros> certainty: and if you can afford it, that you verify chunks before proceeding
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<apeiros> ok, a short test with ruby 2.1.2 - doesn't seem to use COW substrings with split :(
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<certainty> apeiros: alright
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<Ainieco> apeiros: does it mean that split or each_line is really memory expensive?
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<apeiros> Ainieco: it means split will indeed double memory consumption. with shared substrings it could have gone far lower.
<Hanmac> apeiros: i think such a feature is in ruby trunk as far as i saw
<apeiros> Hanmac: for slicing, it's used since 1.8 afaik
<apeiros> same for array
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<apeiros> curious why it's not used for split. it'd IMO make sense. non-mutating processing of strings after split is quite common. so common use cases with large input would benefit a lot from it.
<apeiros> but I guess the question is, how big of a penalty it imposes
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<Ainieco> ugh, having 100MB of data, splitting will eat 200MB of RAM, it was so conmvenient to split that string and parse it...
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<Ainieco> not that I'm having one 100MB String but lots and lots of small ones which typically sums up into 100MBs :)
<Ainieco> and having in mind that ruby does not give allocated memory back it often resulted in OOM
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<Hanmac> Ainieco & apeiros if i am right than each_line might not be as much memory expensive as split ...
<Ainieco> Hanmac: yeah, I'll try it, thank you
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<Ainieco> "ruby does not gives allocated memory back" really sound ridiculous(to me at least) but that what i've read in lots of place in internet like https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18978396/sidekiq-not-deallocating-memory-after-workers-have-finished/20424368#20424368
<Ainieco> i wonder how ruby GC works then if it doesn't gives memory back...
<Xeago> Ainieco: as long as a program is running, it is bound to consume memory
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<Xeago> what has been allocated to ruby, will not be returned to the OS
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<Xeago> if memory is unused by ruby, ruby will us that before requesting new memory from the OS
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<Ainieco> Xeago: does that ruby owned memory is shared between threads? because i had an impression(probably wrong) that each new thread requests more memory even if old threads are finished their job
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<apeiros> Ainieco: it's important to understand the difference between real and virtual memory
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<apeiros> in any modern OS, not giving back memory doesn't matter the least
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<Ainieco> apeiros: does it means that when i'm running sidekiq workers one at the time and memory rises consuption rises once one wroker has finished his job and new worker started to work it means that each worker needs more memore than previous one?
<apeiros> o0
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<apeiros> I'm sorry, I can't make sense of that question
* apeiros back at work too :-|
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<Ainieco> i have a memory issue with sidekiq, it just eventually runs out of memory no matter if i have only one worker or in which order tasks are executed
<Xeago> define out of memory
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<Xeago> Sidekiq requires workers to be threadsafe and not pollute the global namespace
<Ainieco> Xeago: sidekiq being killed by OS, it just eats all free memory and dies
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<Xeago> looks like you have a leaking issue
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<Xeago> Do you experience ethe same problem with a worker that does nothing?
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<Ainieco> Xeago: do you mean with worker which doesn't work(idle) or worker which hase "sleep" inside?
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<Ainieco> Xeago: as long as worker count is constant and they're do nothing sidekiq behaves fine in RAM sense
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<olivier_bK> how can i use gsub on hash ?
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<Nilium> What do you mean?
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<csmrfx> olivier_bK: do you use ri?
<olivier_bK> ri ??
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<csmrfx> install ri, and try $ ri Hash.gsub
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<csmrfx> what do you see?
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<olivier_bK> i try something and if it doesn't work i install ri
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<Xeago> why can't gem-1.3.6 find facter-1.7.6, but gem-2.0.14 can?
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<Hanmac> Xeago: different rubyversion?
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<Xeago> yes
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<Xeago> but what is the difference from a fetch perspective
<Hanmac> Xeago: gems can say which ruby version they want
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<Xeago> the gem doesn't even get found, it used to get found 2 months ago
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<Hanmac> Gem::Specification has required_ruby_version, required_rubygems_version maybe thats the problem?
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<Xeago> but it used to work 2 months ago :\
<Xeago> so I fail to see how it can be tied to a rubyversion
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<Hanmac> Xeago: there is "rubygems_version: 1.8.23" and "specification_version: 3" maybe one of it does conflict with "gem-1.3.6"
<Xeago> for facter?
<Hanmac> yes did you try to download http://rubygems.org/gems/facter/versions/1.7.6 manually?
<Xeago> I have the .gem locally, I'm comparing my ruby version support
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<Hanmac> facter 2.0.2 has "rubygems_version: 2.0.3" "specification_version: 4" .. just saying that your spec version does not work with your gem version ... why not update?
<Xeago> because this runs on a bare install to facilitate such upgrades :\
<Xeago> chicken egg problem :\
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<Xeago> think I'll just have to upgrade my libs to be compatible with the newer versions that /do/ get found
<Hanmac> hm let me quess, your ruby version is outdated too?
<Xeago> 2.0.2 does get found by the old gem
<Xeago> on about 10k machines it has 1.8.7
<Hanmac> that doesnt make it better
<Xeago> this is run on boot, sets up a normalized environment
<sevenseacat> mmm 1.8.7
<Xeago> and from then it has 2.1
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<Xeago> so why does 2.0.2 get found by gem, but not 1.7.6 or 1.7.5 :\
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<Hanmac> i dont know and i dont care
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<Xeago> different question, how can I enforce a dual constraint?
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<Xeago> ['> 1.6', '< 3'] is in the Gemfile
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<Mon_Ouie> gem 'foo', '>= x', '< 3'? That's the notation Kernel#gem uses anyway
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<Xeago> yea, but what is the notation for `gem fetch foo --version '…'
<Xeago> I've tried all possible incantations I can think of
<Xeago> but am resorting to just take the upper bound of it
<Xeago> and trusting my provider to always give the highest matching
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<Xeago> on every run of this i am fetching those again, I don't have to deal with 'underbounds'
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<matti> Xeago: underbounds?
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<Xeago> < 3, > 1.6
<matti> Xeago: Is that a name of a God from Cthulhu ethos?
<matti> ;d
<Xeago> the 1.6 in that case
<matti> 1.6 the Harbinger of Semantic Conflict
<matti> Got ya.
<matti> ;D
<matti> Xeago: Its annoying indeed.
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<rune1> If i have an array of elements like this: [1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7]. How would i go about equalizing it ? with the end result like this [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7] ?
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<matti> rune1: Sort, get min/max and get nice enumerator from a Range. Dunno ;p
<rune1> matti: Ah, an range wouldn't be supid..
<rune1> stupid*
<matti> rune1: There isn't []#fill_the_gaps sadly.
<workmad3> matti: class Array; def fill_the_gaps; #magic; end; end
<matti> Haha
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<matti> Cheeky
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<matti> >> 1+1
<eval-in> matti => 2 (https://eval.in/163746)
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<matti> >> f = [1,5,2,3] ; Array(f.min .. f.max)
<eval-in> matti => [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] (https://eval.in/163747)
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<matti> rune1: Does that work?
<Mon_Ouie> always check that 1+1 = 2 before using a calculator
<matti> Mon_Ouie: Of course.
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<matti> Mon_Ouie: Haven't you seen the reviews?
<rune1> matti: Ah nice, thank you!
<workmad3> Mon_Ouie: the calculator could be running with a pentium chip...
<matti> workmad3: It could have f00f bug.
<matti> workmad3: Ya never know.
<workmad3> 1 + 1 = 3 for very large values of 1...
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<matti> Mon_Ouie: Root of 2 is an essential test!
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<matti> rune1: But, there is a bonus for getting an Enumerator there instead of an Array ;p
<matti> rune1: It was just for illustration purposes ;s
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<matti> rune1: Your heap memory is important to us.
<matti> ;D
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<rune1> matti: Is an Enumerator more memory heavy than an Array?
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<matti> No.
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<Mon_Ouie> An array has to store all its elements in memory, a range only needs to remember its bounds
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<Ainieco> not sure if right place to ask but should email headers and and body be sperated by blank line?
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<Ainieco> it looks like so but not sure if it's standard
<matti> Ainieco: Lazy lazy
<matti> Ainieco: See RFC fore more reading :S
<matti> ;]
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<jds> I quite often have a bunch of numbers in irb that I want to visual somehow. I end up dumping it to a csv, scping it to my local machine, going to google docs, creating a document, and importing the csv. Is there a better way for quick & dirty visualization?
<jds> * want to visualize somehow
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<Ainieco> matti: thanks!
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<matti> Ainieco: :)
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<krz> whats a good way to flatten a nested ruby hash?
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<Ainieco> sorry for unrelated questionss but what is the point in supporting multiple email addresses in "From" field of email, what is actual use case?
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<Ainieco> krz: i doubt that there is a good way to do it because of key collisions
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<workmad3> Ainieco: well, you can always compose the keys together so {foo: {bar: {buzz: "hi"} } } becomes {foo_bar_buzz: "hi"}
<workmad3> Ainieco: could still risk key collisions, but less likely
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<Ainieco> workmad3: i wouldn't call this a "good way" but "good" is undefined so far so it's IMO
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<krz> well the thing is, i dont really care about parent keys
<krz> errr actually nvm
<krz> yea actually dont care about parent keys
<krz> so {foo: {bar: {buzz: "hi"} } } would be {buzz: 'hi'}
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<shevy> hehe
<shevy> krz I often want a .flatten on hash
<shevy> that would cascade the whole hash down one level
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<ruby423> any help on using guard with rails?
<ruby423> I am struck badly
<ruby423> from last 5 hours
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<sara2010> any one there
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<sara2010> i m getting this error on Centos,
<sara2010> . /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:31:in `gem_original_require': no such file to load -- zlib (LoadError)
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<apeiros> sounds like you have not installed zlib
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<apeiros> belongs to stdlib and should install along with ruby. but some package managers think they know better what a standard ruby installation consists of…
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<sara2010> apeiros .. i m trying to install . zlib
<matti> sara2010: Which distribution?
<apeiros> centos
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<matti> Ah, right.
<sara2010> matti . Centos
<matti> sara2010: sudo yum install -y zlib-devel
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<sara2010> :(
<sara2010> now getting this one !
<sara2010> [root@30 src]# gem install -v=2.3.5 rails
<sara2010> ERROR: http://rubygems.org/ does not appear to be a repository
<sara2010> ERROR: could not find gem rails locally or in a repository
<matti> And as root.
<matti> Splendid.
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<Edelwin> :D
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<sara2010> matti . yes with root . .. now how should i install rails
<sara2010> i think i should change the version
<matti> I am not entirely sure what are you doing.
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<matti> But I'd recommend getting rvm and/or rbenv and install Rails as yourself (your user).
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<Ainieco> ruby question, how to split this string correctly? Correctly: '"Foo Bar, staff" <foo@example.com>, bar@example.com' => ['"Foo Bar, staff" <foo@example.com>', 'bar@example.com']
<Ainieco> so basically split by "," but trick is to ignore comma inside quotes.
<sara2010> Matti .. i m confugring , fedena
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<lkjkljlkjlk> Hi all. Can anyone please point me to ruby's inject method's blog which explains it quite clearly?
<VinDoKi> here
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<sara2010> matti .. any suggestion !
<matti> sara2010: This? http://www.fedena.com/
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<lkjkljlkjlk> matti: can you please suggest me as well?
<matti> ?
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<matti> lkjkljlkjlk: You can Google this in 5 s :)
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<lkjkljlkjlk> I did it but I still couldn't understand it well :s
<sara2010> matti . see this
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<sara2010> gem update --system
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<sara2010> Updating RubyGems
<sara2010> ERROR: http://rubygems.org/ does not appear to be a repository
<sara2010> ERROR: While executing gem ... (Gem::RemoteFetcher::FetchError)
<sara2010> SocketError: getaddrinfo: Temporary failure in name resolution (http://rubygems.org/yaml)
<matti> sara2010: host rubygems.org?
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<matti> sara2010: Don't paste into the channel, use pastebin.com or something like it :)
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<matti> lkjkljlkjlk: Try "Ruby inject examples" in Google.
<sara2010> matti .. okay sorry ! now i will use pastebin
<apeiros> matti: gah!
<apeiros> please suggest something sane like gist
<apeiros> (gist.github.com)
<matti> apeiros: Oh, OK.
<apeiros> now I know where all those pastebin.com'ers come from! *blames matti for all that is evil* ;-)
<matti> Aww...
<matti> :(
<sara2010> matti .. this one .. http://www.projectfedena.org
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<matti> apeiros: I will suffer for it for the whole eternity in the flames of the 7th hells.
<matti> apeiros: Or something ;p
<matti> apeiros: Everything is better than Wrath of Apeiros :)
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<matti> sara2010: It does not look that scary.
<matti> sara2010: What did you do so far?
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<matti> sara2010: There is an INSTALL section there.
<lkjkljlkjlk> matti: ah, so inject is like send method
<lkjkljlkjlk> I see
<sara2010> matti .. yes i m doing with that !
<lkjkljlkjlk> We send {} for hash, + for addition etc
<sara2010> matti .. but facing these error !
<matti> lkjkljlkjlk: Not quite like send.
<sara2010> when i m installing rails with gem !
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<lkjkljlkjlk> sara2010: but by calling send method we send a operator and argument to the reciever, that's what is happening here? We are sending {}, + etc
<lkjkljlkjlk> ?
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<lkjkljlkjlk> s/sara2010/matti
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<matti> lkjkljlkjlk: All the magic internall tidbits.
<matti> ;]
<matti> lkjkljlkjlk: In enum.c
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<sara2010> matti .. i m here !
<lkjkljlkjlk> thanks matti, to much to fathom
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<matti> sara2010: First things first. Sort out solid Ruby installation.
<matti> sara2010: Make sure you can connect to Rubygems.
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<sara2010> matti , everything working , fine when im installing somthing with gem it give me error which i have sent you !
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<apeiros> matti: :D (sorry, was getting additional lunch)
<sara2010> oh additional lunch
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<apeiros> yeah, had an apéro for lunch, thought it would be enough. I was wrong :(
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<sara2010> apeiros .. gd now read my post
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<lkjkljlkjlk> matti: Can you please read some methods I wrote as homework to edx course if they are alright?
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<lkjkljlkjlk> or anyone who is around
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<pothibo> Is there a way to revert back a module to an previous state? I have a singleton that I want to test and I would like to unitialize it
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<pothibo> Module.remove_const() didn't work as expected :/
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<MrDoctor> Has anyone here used the ruby rest API for desk.com?
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<workmad3> pothibo: you'd need to alias the current version before loading the new version, then to 'revert', you'd re-assign the constant... but that wouldn't have an effect on things that had included the module
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<pothibo> workmad3 yeah, it's a good idea, but Rails::Application has too many implication for that to work, unfortunately ;(
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<pothibo> workmad3 I was hoping for something like Transaction in SQL
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<olivier_bK> i dont understand something
<olivier_bK> in my directory i have a lot file like that licence_ruby.rails.net.php
<olivier_bK> i creat a function for only have ruby.rails.net
<olivier_bK> but i get licence_ruby.rails.net.php
<olivier_bK> when i display it
<olivier_bK> but in my hash when i display it i have ruby.rails.net
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<canton7> olivier_bK, those don't need to be globals
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<canton7> $list_filename.each {|f| $array_list << f.gsub(/(licence_|.php)?/,'')} <-- that stripts off the license_ bit
<canton7> a, misread you
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<olivier_bK> canton7, sorry but i dont really understand what do you mean by misread
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<canton7> misread what your problem was
<olivier_bK> my problem is when i call the function i get licence_ruby.rails.net.php
<canton7> wait, I still don't understand
<olivier_bK> what i want is ruby.rails.net at the output
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<canton7> I honestly have no idea what half of that program does
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<canton7> and neither do you, I suspect
<canton7> Hash[$array_list.map {|key,value| [key]}] <-- why |key,value|? that's an array, not a hash?
<canton7> also, why the hell are you creating a hash like that? you're making arbitrary pairs of files, from what I can see
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<parzo> This is an insanely basic question I am sure but I am kind of stuck on it and am not sure what to Google but I have a string "word1\nword2" and I want it to place the new line where the \n occurs
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<canton7> parzo, give us a bit more context
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<canton7> parzo, \n is, of course, an unprintable character. 'puts' and 'p' will display it in different ways (puts shows an actualy newline, p shows it as \n
<canton7> *an actual
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<parzo> I am an idiot. I was just typing the variable name in irb rather than puts variablename
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<parzo> I'll crawl back into my little hole ;)
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<canton7> just typing it in is the same as invoking 'p'
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<canton7> ;)
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<al> hi, is there any way to serialize a hash *with* default values?
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<apeiros> al: no standard way. but you can do a custom dump/load
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<al> meh…
<al> apeiros, ok, thanks :)
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<Hanmac> apeiros: did you see Unicode7 already ? ;P
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<Hanmac> shevy unicode has everything!!!: "1F595  REVERSED HAND WITH MIDDLE FINGEREXTENDED" ;D
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<Hanmac> it even has the vulcan greeding: "1F596  RAISED HAND WITH PART BETWEEN MIDDLE AND RING FINGERS"
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<apeiros> Hanmac: yopp. assuming you mean unicode 7
<Hanmac> jop
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<DefV> aaa/3
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<hfp> Hey guys, I'm starting my first Ruby on Rails job tomorrow, I'm pretty excited. Thanks to all of you who answered my stupid questions!
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<shevy> lol Hanmac1
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<matti> hfp: Welcome.
<benzrf> hfp: hows it goin dube
<matti> hfp: We'll send you an invoice later ;]
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<shevy> hfp what will you be writing there?
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<hfp> shevy: I'll be doing integration mainly with a bit a Rails. But yes it's mostly about writing views in haml
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<ericwood> nice, open-uri accepts any SSL cert by default
<ericwood> is this recent?
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<ericwood> (this actually makes me happy)
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<norm> can anyone explain the difference between "require 'path/to/library'" and "require './path/to/library'"
<norm> shouldn't '.' be on my load path by default?
<ericwood> norm: if you're doing ./ in the require path you might as well do require_relative
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<norm> ericwood: i'm actually using autoload, i wish there were an autoload_relative
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<ericwood> not familiar with it
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<shevy> norm autoload will be deprecated
<shevy> norm here matz spoke: https://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/3036681
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<shevy> norm as for leading '.' in normal gem-structured projects that are installed into the site dir of your ruby path, the '.' is not needed
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<shevy> so for such use cases require_relative() is unnecessary
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<norm> shevy: interesting
<norm> but, outside a gem, why does it not work without the ./ ?
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<norm> checking $:, i don't see '.' listed. i thought it was there by default
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<apeiros> norm: not since 1.9 anymore
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<apeiros> relying on *working* directory for loading files is error prone. a bad idea.
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<shevy> norm some security-related fear triggered that removal
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<shevy> btw you are four years late norm! ;)
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<shevy> have you been a loving 1.8.x user for a long time? :D
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<apeiros> shevy: not just security. it leads to broken code. current working directory can be anything.
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<apeiros> second answer in that link nails it
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<apeiros> remember, "." is NOT relative to the current file. it is the working directory.
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<ilmari> in an erb template, is there a way to define a function that when called renders some templated content?
<ilmari> https://gist.github.com/ilmari/e3222a23df268fdd7ae7 # the simple obvious way doesn't work
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<shevy> ilmari because the variables are not shared? just try to rename it to a $ var
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<shevy> man
<shevy> those erb templates are so ugly
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<ilmari> shevy: rename what to $var? _erbout? that's generated by erb
<ilmari> generated.erb is the output of 'erb -T - -x template.erb'
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<shevy> I see; so that is not even your own code
<ilmari> template.erb is my code
<ilmari> I want that to output "text: wibble"
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<shevy> I was just looking at generated.rb and wondered how you could be so bad :)
<shevy> I still don't get the intent of your code
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<shevy> where do you need generated.rb ?
<shevy> all you seem to want to do is to simply output input you give to a method you wrote
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<ilmari> I don't need generated.rb, that's just debugging
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<ilmari> my intent to have a parameterised block of template that I call with different parameters
<ilmari> to get repeated blocks of output with slight variations
<ilmari> I could write it all as a ruby function that returns a bit interpolated string, but I'd rather not use two different syntaxes in the same file
<ilmari> *a big
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<shevy> sorry I am completely lost
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<apeiros> ilmari: uh, just return a string
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<apeiros> <%- def output(text) "text: #{text}" end -%><%= output('wibble') %>
<ilmari> apeiros: yes, but then that string would be full of #{foo} interpolation thus mixing two different syntaxes in the same file
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<ilmari> apeiros: my actual string is 10 lines long
<apeiros> it's a bad idea to define a method *within* a template anyway…
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<apeiros> separation of concerns
<ilmari> but the entire body of the method is templated content
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<ilmari> actually, I can restructure things so I'd only be using that inside one loop
<ilmari> which I can just wrap around the block, instead of calling a method
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<rdark> is rubyforge.org dead?
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<Georg3> hey anyone use Github Atom?
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<havenwood> Georg3: yup
<Senjai> Georg3: lots do. I would recommend vim though
<Senjai> Georg3: Also, there's likely a atom channel. Not to be confused with xml atom
<Georg3> You guys ever have weird issues? I was using x as an parameter for a method and now it's messed up the syntax highlighting for the method cause I used the letter "x" inside an array
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<shevy> rdark I think rubyforge died a while ago
<Georg3> oh good idea Senjai
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<havenwood> rdark: yup retired
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* shevy sheds some tears ...
<shevy> it feels like having lost a good old friend
<shevy> sure, he was ugly
<shevy> sure, he was annoying to cope with
* rdark offers a crusty hanky
<shevy> lol
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<rdark> that's a shame. I guess it's good in a way to keep things moving forward, don't want another perlmonks.org on our hands
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> what happened with perlmonks.org ?
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<shevy> but fear not, rubyforge's use case is well covered with rubygems.org and github
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<rdark> shevy: like a lot of the perl community sites it's stuck in 2001
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<centrx> I heard Perl 6 will be out soon
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<yo61> I'm using erb to generate yaml files. Can I get the binding to fail if any of the included variables are not set?
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<gregf_> its been said for the last > 10 years i guess
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<hoelzro> perlmonks has been stagnating for a while
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<hoelzro> I think because SO's more popular
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> SO also made the ruby mailing list less popular
<shevy> and IRC too!
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<Morrolan> Not to mention that mailing lists aren't all too convenient. :o
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<ver> why not?
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<JeffU> So.. I'm using a gem that monkeypatches some Core Methods (like Hash) it is breaking some things. Is there a way to only monkeypatch it in the context of the gem?
<Georg3> hey someone mind taking a quick look at this? The two if statements work if I take out the split and each but obviously I'm missing something - http://pastebin.com/U3JVf0ak
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<Hanmac> jeffu there is redefinements but i didnt used it myself
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<jhass> Georg3: .split without arguments splits at whitespace
<Georg3> jhass: correct
<jhass> >> %w(a e i o u).include? 'foo'
<eval-in> jhass => false (https://eval.in/163979)
<jhass> >> %w(a e i o u).include? 'o'
<eval-in> jhass => true (https://eval.in/163981)
<Xeago_> Cam someone `gem fetch rgen --version '~> 0.6.5'` It stopped working for me
<Georg3> oh
<JeffU> Hanmac: that's only in ruby 2 right? We're stuck on 1.9.3
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<jhass> oh, nvm you fetch the first char
<Xeago_> I'm using gem-2.0.14
<Georg3> yeah word[0]
<Hanmac> JeffU yes
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<jhass> Georg3: reassigning to word doesn't change the array you're iterating over, you probably want map
<Georg3> the two if statements work but when I added the each iteration so when there are multiple words, I missed something cause it just returns the array with 0 modifications
<Georg3> ah
<Georg3> thats the problem.
<Hanmac> jhass & Georg3
<Hanmac> >> !!'foo' =~ Regexp.union( %w(a e i o u) )
<eval-in> Hanmac => /tmp/execpad-baf046f24273/source-baf046f24273:2: warning: string literal in condition ... (https://eval.in/163986)
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<Hanmac> !!('foo' =~ Regexp.union( %w(a e i o u) ))
<Hanmac> >> !!('foo' =~ Regexp.union( %w(a e i o u) ))
<eval-in> Hanmac => true (https://eval.in/163988)
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<jhass> Georg3: okay, most important #ruby lession: avoid Hanmac code in production code as long as possible ;)
<shevy> YES
<Georg3> lol you referring to the code Hanmac the user posts?
<shevy> YES
<Georg3> lol okie dok
<shevy> would you really want to use !!(something)
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<Hanmac> shevy depends if he really needs true and not 1
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<shevy> lol
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<Morrolan> Maybe he's coming from Perl, then it wouldn't make a difference to him. :D
<Morrolan> (Horrible design decision)
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<Georg3> jhass: why wouldn't just replacing .each with .map work? doesn't map just return the block results back in an array rather than each returning the original array back?
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<jhass> Georg3: map returns a new array with the blocks return value
<Georg3> oh it doesn't replace the array you iterate over
<shevy> well you could use .map!
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<Georg3> shevy: ah, correct.
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<Georg3> Thanks fellas, returned an empty array so I'm messed up somewhere =P bbiab!
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<jhass> do you still have the next calls?
<Georg3> indeed.
<jhass> get rid of them and use an if/elsif instead
<Georg3> return the word vs next?
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<Georg3> sorry I'm confused, how would you use an if/elsif instead of next?
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<Georg3> ah
<jhass> if vowels.include? word[0]; do_vowel_stuff_that_returns_word; elsif consonants.include? word[0]; do_consants_stuff_that_returns_word; end
<Georg3> I think I gotchya, brb.
<Georg3> ya
<Georg3> exactly.
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<enape_101> I know this is rails related, but the #rubyonrails guys sent me here because they couldnt solve it.. any ideas? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24269300/rails-4-becomes-issue?noredirect=1#comment37495701_24269300
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<enape_101> thanks jhass, let me check this out
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<ViperChief> Hello. I am trying to learn Ruby and one piece of code I came across included (//) after a to_s.split and I have not had any luck finding out what that does. I see the difference without it, but could not figure out what it does exactly. Any help would be appreciated.
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<ViperChief> If anyone is around or has time to explain it to me. :)
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<jhass> ViperChief: literally // ?
<jhass> or something like /\w+/ ?
<shevy> ViperChief should mean to split on each char
<ViperChief> Ah okay! Here it is: 100.factorial.to_s.split(//) \
<ViperChief> .map {|n| n.to_i}
<jhass> so that's an empty regex literal
<shevy> >> "abc".split //
<eval-in> shevy => ["a", "b", "c"] (https://eval.in/164009)
<ViperChief> That's where I could see the difference (noticing that the sum of numbers didn't happen without the (//) but could not figure out why.
<shevy> hmm
<jhass> you can write that as 100.factorial.to_s.chars.map(&:to_i)
<Mon_Ouie> And, hum, there are betters ways of doing that… each_char e.g.
<shevy> I've never seen factorial I think
<shevy> >> 100.factorial
<eval-in> shevy => undefined method `factorial' for 100:Fixnum (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/164010)
<shevy> wicked black magic
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<jhass> probably just a core ext
<ViperChief> It was a self-defined function.
<shevy> wicked black core magic
<ViperChief> Thank you so much for your help!
<shevy> wicked black user-defined magic
<ViperChief> Pretty much. :)
<banisterfiend> Mon_Ouie 'hum' is a very french thing to say…………………..are you a native french speaker by chance?
<Mon_Ouie> Why yes I am! I wonder how you could possible know that, you must be a very astute observer
<Hanmac> shevy: you are right "factorial" smells after activesupport black magic
<jhass> it's not even AS
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<Hanmac> havenwood: huhu did you watch doctorwho or AT recently?
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<Hanmac> ViperChief: what does "factorial" return and why d you need to_s.split for it?
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<Mon_Ouie> Hanmac: He wants to calculate the sum of the digits of a number's factorial from what he explained
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<Hanmac> hm i wonder if Prime.prime_division(100) can help him
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<Hanmac> >> require "prime"; Prime.prime_division(100).to_s
<eval-in> Hanmac => "[[2, 2], [5, 2]]" (https://eval.in/164016)
<Hanmac> 20>> require "prime"; Prime.prime_division(100).to_s
<eval-in> Hanmac => "[[2, 2], [5, 2]]" (https://eval.in/164017)
<Hanmac> 19>> require "prime"; Prime.prime_division(100).to_s
<eval-in> Hanmac => "[[2, 2], [5, 2]]" (https://eval.in/164018)
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<Hanmac> 18>> require "prime"; Prime.prime_division(100).to_s
<eval-in> Hanmac => (https://eval.in/164019)
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<Mon_Ouie> It was in mathn before that
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<Hanmac> ahhh good to know
<Mon_Ouie> But I don't see how prime division helps with summing digits
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<ziggles> hey guys... i was wondering if someone could critique/comment on a simple class i put together? http://pastie.org/private/vyip0cnnfa0jlbyfsno3cq I'd love to hear opinions on how i could protect my methods from "bad data" or erroneous conditions
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<apeiros_> plerp. refactors can sometimes feel depressing.
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<apeiros> but that's done now. moving on to build queues on planets! :D
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<xybre> ziggles: You'll want to test it with your internet turned off. You'll end up getting Exceptions raised, you'll want to rescue from them and do something useful instead.
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<ziggles> xybre: what about the methods setup? For example #ip_data depends on #request_json to return a hash w/ a specific key... this seems wrong but i'm not sure what i can do about it
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<xybre> ziggles: Why wouldn't "request_json" return the key you want?
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<ziggles> xybre: i was just thinking in case something goes wrong. For example say RestClient throws some exception and i catch it in request_json... the caller of request_json still expects to get something back
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<ziggles> xybre: i could return a bogus hash with the structure callers expect... or i could return nil and do a check in those methods... both seem wrong to me for some reason
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<xybre> ziggles: Thats your rescue clauses' job to give back a useful response.
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<xybre> ziggles: If you're looking to be properly OOP, then you'll want ot create a response object.
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<xybre> ziggles: That response object can have a "success?" method, and if it returns false, you know something went wrong and not to expect the JSON you wanted.
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<ziggles> xybre: thanks, that makes sense.
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<xybre> ziggles: It'll also give you the opportunity to put all of your request-specific logic into once place.
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<ziggles> xybre: thanks for the help
<xybre> np :)
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<enape_101> for those who have worked wtih cloudfront on amazon aws before pls help clear this up for me: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24271137/how-to-properly-config-setup-cloudfront-amazon-on-rails
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<norm> i've used a pattern where methods of a User class are divided into modules, User::Naming, User::Serialization, etc. in my User class, I just include each module
<norm> this works well if I do "autoload :Naming, 'user/naming'"
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<norm> but with autoload being deprecated, I can't require "user/naming" because the User class hasn't been defined yet
<norm> i could just create a dummy (empty) class, but that seems hackish
<norm> is there a better way?
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<apeiros> norm: class User; module Serialization
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<apeiros> instead of module User::Serialization
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<norm> apeiros: mmm duh thanks
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<HardFu> I have a hash: {2014-06-01 00:00:00 UTC=>1, 2014-05-01 00:00:00 UTC=>2}
<HardFu> how can I access second key's value
<Hanmac> with the right key?
<HardFu> yes
<apeiros> HardFu: hashes are not meant for positional access
<apeiros> you can convert a hash into an array, using Hash#to_a
<Hanmac> it looks like key => value is mixed ?
<jhass> I think his question is how to use Time.new
<apeiros> jhass: might be any of at least 4 classes actually
<HardFu> apeiros: it'll do, I just need it to assert in in unit test
<apeiros> Time, Date, DateTime, Time::WithTimeZone (or whatever that railsthingy is called)
<HardFu> to verify the second date is indeed 2
<apeiros> HardFu: relying on position in a nonpositional datastructure sounds like a very bad idea.
<jhass> apeiros: their inspect look different
<jhass> (okay, not sure about the rails one)
<HardFu> apeiros: what would you recommend for the unit test then
<HardFu> just for the assetion part
<apeiros> HardFu: and you assume I magically know what your test is all about?
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<HardFu> ah, nvm
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<HardFu> I'll just assert the whole hash
<HardFu> I think that'll be the easies way :)
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<HardFu> thanks
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<apeiros> fuck. player now no longer knows how to build any building. fail :(
<xybre> You could also jsut verify the values of the hash.
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<pipework> HardFu: my_hash.invert[2]
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<pipework> That'll confuse someone though.
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<apeiros> I'm amazed how you guys manage to suggest something without even knowing what he actually wants to test
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<apeiros> hurray for broken, bad tests?
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<ehlovader> I had a question for you guys... should I be having so much trouble getting ruby updated from 1.8.7 to 1.9.2? I am on ubuntu 12.04 precise
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<Sigma00> no. Use rbenv or rvm
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<ehlovader> ok
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<jhass> there are packages, even for that old version
<AntelopeSalad> whenever i upgrade ruby versions it's more like "install the new version, bundle install in my app's directory, delete the old version"
<jhass> (of ubuntu)
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<ehlovader> hmm,interesting
<ehlovader> I am unfamiliar with ruby, it looks interesting
<ehlovader> is it most useful to manage ruby with rvm and maintain multiple versions specific to individual projects?
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<ehlovader> I am running into this problem with mailcatcher... most dependencies and probably even itself have dropped 1.8 support
<AntelopeSalad> rvm, rbenv and chruby are all decent enough choices to manage multiple versions
<Sigma00> ehlovader: rbenv is nicer imo
<ehlovader> I am looking to update an old ansible script in fact
<Sigma00> but yes it's better to manage it that way
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<ehlovader> do you know of any examples of the newer use of rvm in ansible, puppet or chef?
<ehlovader> something I could refer to
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<AntelopeSalad> for ansible you can goto https://galaxy.ansible.com/list#/roles and then search for ruby
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<benzrf> i thot ansible was python-based
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<ehlovader> it is
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<ehlovader> I am using the ansible script for provisioning
<ehlovader> and i am not yet using galaxy roles
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<ehlovader> but that may be a good source for reference
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<AntelopeSalad> benzrf: most boxes have python installed and 99.999% of the time you won't need to write python since configuration is done with yaml generally
<ehlovader> I forgot about that, thanks AntelopeSalad
<AntelopeSalad> np
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<ehlovader> so rvm is old in the package manager huh
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<end_guy> yeah i think chruby or something is the new hotness
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<end_guy> i wouldn't know...i just work on legacy apps
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<AntelopeSalad> my opinion is if you're going to use rbenv you might as well just use chruby
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<ehlovader> Ijust wanted to install mailcatcher for php
<ehlovader> lol
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<ehlovader> may seem silly, but that is my current need
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<ehlovader> it is ror afaict, so i get to play with ruby a bit
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<end_guy> what's php?
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<AntelopeSalad> if you're deploying to ubuntu then rvm has most modern versions of ruby precompiled
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<ehlovader> ok
<AntelopeSalad> so that'll save like 10min of your server's CPU being pegged
<ehlovader> that may be best
<ehlovader> it is a virtualbox setup
<ehlovader> something based on http://getprotobox.com/
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<ehlovader> it uses vagrant and gems and a few other things... so learning ruby would be worthwhile if I continue to use this tool/contribute
<ehlovader> if there are multiple version and it is best to install using rvm, I am sure this whole section needs to be redone http://getprotobox.com/#section-languages-ruby
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<AntelopeSalad> that link just points to the home page
<ehlovader> is it common to need a specific version of ruby? I see the list of ruby distros is long
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<ehlovader> it does?
<ehlovader> it should take you to the build, then to the languages, then ruby
<ehlovader> sorry about that
<AntelopeSalad> they don't even list ruby on http://getprotobox.com/docs/modules
<shevy> ehlovader people should just grab the latest and be happy
<ehlovader> I need to get a dev site for that setup to contribute, I have a few strong opinions about that website myself
<AntelopeSalad> 1.8x is also a million years old
<ehlovader> will that always work shevy?
<ehlovader> it is what it has afaik
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<AntelopeSalad> i've had no problems so far with 2.1.x
<ehlovader> because of the reliance on apt
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<ehlovader> is that ruby-head?
<shevy> ehlovader what do you mean with "always work", languages change as time passes by :)
<AntelopeSalad> 2.1.2 is stable
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<ehlovader> shevy: I mean backwards compat
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<ehlovader> I don't mean will it always work if you pick the latest now and stick with it
<ehlovader> I mean will it always work to choose the latest, for any project
<shevy> ruby past 1.9.x is not backwards compatible with 1.8.x
<ehlovader> i.e. can you be "happy with it" as you put it
<ehlovader> and 2.1.2? with 1.9x?
<AntelopeSalad> i would use 2.1.x for any project and upgrade to 2.2.x when it's available
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<shevy> ehlovader yeah should be for the most part
<ehlovader> ok
<ehlovader> just checking
<AntelopeSalad> google says ruby 1.8 is from 2003
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<shevy> old and venerable
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<ehlovader> oh yeah, I see 2.1.1
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<ehlovader> the old broken rvm listed a shorter list
<ehlovader> thanks for the help, this should get me on my way
<AntelopeSalad> you can type... rvm get stable
<AntelopeSalad> to get the latest rvm i think
<ehlovader> hmm
<ehlovader> ok
<ehlovader> I had the broken one
<ehlovader> it sent me to a differnt link
<AntelopeSalad> oh
<ehlovader> this was required
<shevy> wget ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/2.1/ruby-2.1.2.tar.bz2
<AntelopeSalad> that curl command gets the latest stable version
<AntelopeSalad> then just rvm reload when it's done and you can install whatever version you want
<ehlovader> yup
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<ehlovader> that should work for me
<ehlovader> problem was having installed rvm with apt-get
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<ehlovader> then when i ran that it said you must be one of those people with an old broken version see this SO post
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<shevy> hehe
<shevy> that's what you get when noobs take over the world
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<shevy> noobuntu for the masses
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<a13x212> i'm trying to do <% @mem_servers.each do |server,port| -%> <% if server == @mem_servers.last -%>
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<a13x212> but getting the error, Undefined method or attribute `last'
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<shevy> that means that your object does not have the method last
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<a13x212> i'm trying to find the last item in @mem_servers.
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<shevy> you should verify what you have there
<shevy> p @mem_servers.class
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<a13x212> Chef::Node::ImmutableMash
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<shevy> good; now the question is why you tried to invoke #last method on it when it does not have it
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<a13x212> because i thought it was a hash, i have used something similiar in the past
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<toretore> there is no such thing as a "last item" in a hash
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<Sou|cutter> you could get the keys or something
<Sou|cutter> but hashes don't guarantee ordering or anything
<timgauthier> shevy you here?
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<shevy> yea
<shevy> but sleepy
<timgauthier> in english you say 2nd and 3rd and 5th
<timgauthier> what is the german version? 20ter 22ter 3ter?
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<toretore> a13x212: @mem_servers.each.each_with_index{|(server,port),index| if index == @mem_servers.size-1 ... end }
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<bhaak> timgauthier: usually just a point after the number: 1., 2., 3., ..., 20.
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<subone> I hope one of you guys can help me with this, because I have no idea what I'm doing here. I'm simply trying to get sass installed so that I can compile scss files as needed by the web server, but I'm getting this error: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/b7b2f45cc52b3cf9a1ab
<timgauthier> bhaak
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<timgauthier> yeah, thats what my fiancée said, and then explained how you would say it
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<timgauthier> however i'm doing a design and the english version had a th, and that was a design element, so trying to figure out how to do something similar to the german one.
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<subone> Previously I was getting the error "/usr/bin/env: ruby_executable_hooks: No such file or directory" before I added "source /usr/local/rvm/environments/ruby-1.9.3-p545" to '/etc/sysconfig/httpd'. IDK if that was the right thing to do
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<bhaak> timgauthier: so the suffix is the only indication that it is an ordinal number? no bigger context?
<timgauthier> its a date
<timgauthier> sec
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<tenseiten> hmm
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<shevy> timgauthier english is better than german
<bhaak> timgauthier: ah, I see. I would recommend to move the date upwards and just put the point below. anything else would look really weird. and congratulations :)
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<timgauthier> ahh sweet good idea bhaak :)
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<shevy> timgauthier there probably is no simple 1:1 mapping for that into the german language
<timgauthier> yea thats what the fiancée and I where trying to figure out :P
<shevy> the german equivalent would possibly be "9ter" but I have never seen that written anywhere
<timgauthier> thanks #ruby for being my cultural helper :P
<timgauthier> yea thats what we first thought of doing
<shevy> well make a test case
<shevy> with 9ter
<shevy> and send it to someone
<shevy> but it really sounds weird, just me reading what I type there... :þ
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<bhaak> my guess would be that it would hurt readability quite a bit.
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<timgauthier> yea
<timgauthier> the punkt would be oky
<timgauthier> okay*
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<subone> I don't understand why if I do `rvm gemdir` or `rvm current` I get the same directory and version on both my command line and through my apache, but `gem list` is different
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<bhaak> subone: I'm not sure I can help but at least check what command "gem" it is executing with "which gem". this should give a file in the same directory as the rvm ruby
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<jle`> /b 3
<jle`> sorry
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<subone> bhaak: looks like I am using two different versions of ruby because of some puppet confusion, I'm gonna have my IT guy fix it and see later. ty
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<banisterfiend> apeiros ping
<ViperChief> Would someone be wiling to look at something for me and tell me if I understand it correctly?
<ViperChief> I'm pretty new to Ruby
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<banisterfiend> ViperChief gist it
<ViperChief> banisterfiend: I'm sorry. I don't know what that means.
<ViperChief> It's a one line thing
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<yetanotherdave> ViperChief: https://gist.github.com
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<ViperChief> Thank you
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