<frank__>
hey all, how do you get all the migrate tasks to depend on one of your tasks? Say I need to setup a connection to MongoDB before most migrations run for example
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<Testor>
sup
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<ramfjord>
frank__: If you make that task a dependency, it will get run first
<ramfjord>
that's how rails loads its environment
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<ramfjord>
if you're familiar with task blah: :environment
<frank__>
ramfjord, but a dependency on what? theres like 5 tasks under the migrate namespace
<ramfjord>
so you would do task blah: [:environment, :mongo_connection]
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<frank__>
so I want db:migrate to depend mongo cool. How do I redeclare db:migrate so that it still runs the original but w/ the added dependency?
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<ramfjord>
namespace db
<frank__>
I was thinking of overriding the :environment task to depened on the :mongo task...but then couldn't figure out how to get the original :environment task to still run
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<frank__>
anybody else any ideas? Seems like something that would have been asked a bunch of times by now but I can't find the answer. Being able to run a user task that all the existing migration tasks run first
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<frank__>
ramfjord, yeah with one task its simple, I just want to avoid wrapping db:migrate, db:migrate:up, db:migrate:down, db:migrate:redo, etc.
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<zenspider>
frank__: declaring a new task dependency doesn't overwrite any existing tasks, ever.
<frank__>
hm how does a task know which one to use?
<zenspider>
a task is just a collection of dependencies to be followed by a collection of procs
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<zenspider>
you're not understanding what rake is. it uses ALL of them
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<zenspider>
frank__: you have to get down and dirty with rake to actually remove actions
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<zenspider>
task :a do ... thing 1 end; task :a do ... thing 2 end; task :a do ... thing 3 end
<zenspider>
(whether thing 1-3 are tasks or dependencies) declares 3 things to run for that task
<zenspider>
they'll all run, deps first, then bodies
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<frank__>
zenspider, I see. So if I declare a hundred tasks w/ the same name in the same namespace rake will run them all?
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<zenspider>
yup
<frank__>
because whats happening is that when I define an :environment task I get an ActiveRecord not connected exception. I thought that meant the other environment task that sets it up wasn't running
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<proq>
how does one implement a def foo!(x) method? stackoverflow doesn't seem to know how to change x
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<mozzarella>
proq: you need to call methods on it
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<mozzarella>
>> def foo!(x); x << 'test'; end; x = 'wut'; foo!(x); x
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<proq>
aha, thank
<proq>
thanks
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<Hanmac>
proq there is also replace
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<benlieb>
is there a shorter way to write this: additional_attribs = opts[:attribs] ? opts[:attribs] : {}
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<benlieb>
is additional_attribs = opts[:attribs] || {} good practice?
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<ryannielson>
A few days back I came across a repo on GitHub that contained a .md file with lots of Ruby or Rails resources. It has a lot of stars, so maybe someone here knows what it is?
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<robscormack>
rails? :X
<robscormack>
haha
<robscormack>
not sure, sorry
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<lazarus477>
Question: RubyGems: How can I search for an available package X using the shell command "gem search"? It appears to only work on exsisting/installed packages.
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<Robbo`>
doing gem install rmagick works, compiles fine
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<Robbo`>
doing bundle install fails with
<Robbo`>
*** ERROR: missing required library to compile this module
<Robbo`>
*** extconf.rb failed ***
<Robbo`>
makes no sense
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<sevenseacat>
the full error is...?
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<sevenseacat>
!gist it
<helpa>
http://gist.github.com - Put your codes online with pretty syntax highlighting and the ability to embed it into other pages.
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<Robbo`>
actually I just realiozed I am a moron
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<Robbo`>
so thanks :D
<sevenseacat>
np :P
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<joe_____>
Why does it keep warning string literal, what does that mean?
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<j_mcnally>
since when does helpa troll #Ruby ?
<sevenseacat>
for a while now
<sevenseacat>
i try to keep its use to a minimum though
<joe_____>
sevenseacat: why does ruby keep telling me string literal?
<joe_____>
sevenseacat: what does that mean?
<sevenseacat>
joe_____: what?
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<sevenseacat>
what are you doing?
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<joe_____>
sevenseacat: sorry it says warning: string literal in condition
<sevenseacat>
!code
<helpa>
We cannot help you with your problem if you don't show us your code. Please put it on http://gist.github.com and give us the URL so we can see it.
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<filipesaraiva>
Hello, please can anyone help me? I am trying to iterate in a variable from a YAML file but I can not know how to do it. The YAML is in http://paste.kde.org/plhsbth2d and the code to load the YAML is 'proceeding = YAML.load_stream("file")'.
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<benzrf>
joe_____: the problem is that ruby syntax doesnt quite mean the same thing as english words
<benzrf>
filipesaraiva: what's your code?
<benzrf>
joe_____: look carefully at the codeurge
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<benzrf>
*code
<benzrf>
imagine you don't know english
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<benzrf>
how would you parse that statement?
<joe_____>
benzrf: what does parse mean
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<filipesaraiva>
benzrf: " I am trying to iterate in a variable from a YAML file but I can not know how to do it. The YAML is in http://paste.kde.org/plhsbth2d and the code to load the YAML is 'proceeding = YAML.load_stream("file")'."
<benzrf>
filipesaraiva: ok, so you're parsing the string "file"
<benzrf>
there is nothing called papers in that string
<benzrf>
joe_____: sorry
<benzrf>
joe_____: what i mean is, try looking at that code without reading it as english
<benzrf>
pretend it's a mathematical statement or something
<benzrf>
filipesaraiva: can i see the actual code then
<filipesaraiva>
Putz.
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<benzrf>
filipesaraiva: no need for name calling
<benzrf>
joe_____: look at 'userInput != "Yes" || "No"'
<benzrf>
joe_____: != and || don't change their meaning by being put next to each other
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<benzrf>
what is the meaning of !=, and what is the meaning of ||?
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<joe_____>
1= nt and || is or
<joe_____>
!=*
<benzrf>
joe_____: ok.
<joe_____>
sorry
<benzrf>
joe_____: so what does 'userInput != "Yes" || "No"' mean?
<benzrf>
don't read it as english
<benzrf>
parenthesize it if you need to
<benzrf>
evaluate it mathematically, like a computer
<filipesaraiva>
I have a file with content is http://paste.kde.org/plhsbth2d/tjlluh/raw. I load this content in an variable. In the content I have a variable named papers (first line). I just want iterate in this variable, but I don't know how access it. The code to load this YAML file is proceeding = YAML.load_stream("file"), where "file" is a file in my computer where the content is http://paste.kde.org/plhsbth2d/tjlluh/raw
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<benzrf>
filipesaraiva: is the code literally `YAML.load_stream("file")'?
<benzrf>
like, that's the exact text?
<filipesaraiva>
YES
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<benzrf>
ok
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<benzrf>
so you're parsing the string "file"
<benzrf>
the string "file" doesn't contain any data labelled 'papers'
<benzrf>
like i said
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<filipesaraiva>
Oh, ok. Thanks, but the code is YAML.load_stream(file).
<filipesaraiva>
I am loading the file, it is ok, I can put it in the interpreter.
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<benzrf>
ok
<filipesaraiva>
But I don't know how iterate in papers variable from it.
<sevenseacat>
lmao
<joe_____>
Im confused
<sevenseacat>
'is this the exact code?' 'yes' 'ok heres why it doesnt work' 'ok but thats not what the code is'
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<benzrf>
joe_____: depending on order of operations, that could be:
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<mallu>
hi, I'm studying ruby and I have a doubt. 'Fear is the path to the dark side'.split(' ').each do |a| In this case is 'a' a variable? shouldn't I be able to puts #{a} ?
<sevenseacat>
`puts a`, yes
<nonnatus>
you mean `puts a`
<sevenseacat>
#{} is string interpolation
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<sevenseacat>
so has to be inside a string
<sevenseacat>
(double-quoted string)
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<mallu>
ok thanks
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<wingedsnake>
is json a part of stdlib ?
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<sarkis>
hey all, i contructed a hash that i'd like to email, trying to figure out the best way to send it through.. i am using the mail gem
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<sarkis>
i tried body #{PP.pp(hash)}
<sarkis>
i get an object though :(
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<Lewix>
yo
<sarkis>
like this : #<IO:0x007feb918dab88>
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<existensil>
sarkis: I prefer to use JSON for that kind of thing. #{JSON.pretty_generate(hash)}
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<sarkis>
isn't there any other way i can generate a nice string from the hash
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<existensil>
sarkis: yes, but you'd have to use PP.pp(hash, io), where io is maybe a StringIO instance that you rewind after the pp and then read from to build your mail body.
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<j416>
I'll just use self.class, if someone redefines that they deserve to get an error
<j416>
problem solved
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<apeiros>
j416: if name is overridden, it doesn't matter how you call it. it's still the overridden method
<apeiros>
j416: unless you borked up your initial question and didn't mean Module#name but YourClass#name, in which case you were messing up as those don't collide
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<apeiros>
there's no Object#name method
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<j416>
apeiros: what I meant initially was that someone defined: module Foo; class << self; def name; 'foo'; end; end; end
<j416>
apeiros: and I wanted 'Foo'
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<j416>
but your solution seems to work in this case
<j416>
use case is I'm building a logger that will use the name of its class by default as a prefi
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<gauravagarwalr>
@j416 just joined in.. what are you exactly trying to achieve?
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<j416>
gauravagarwalr: I made a logger and I have a Kernel.log method that returns it; now I want to give the logger the name of the class/module/object that invoked it
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<j416>
gauravagarwalr: problem is, one module defines a class method .name on itself, so I can't rely on 'self.name' being what I want
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<j416>
gauravagarwalr: I want to use the original implementation of .name but in the context of the current module/class
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<j416>
I thought this fixed it but there's still something not right, trying to figure it out
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<j416>
gauravagarwalr: what part of it?
<j416>
gauravagarwalr: sorry, not sure what you are referencing exactly
<heftig-z>
how do you register GAsyncReadyCallbacks in ruby-gir-ffi?
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<warti>
Hi all. I am getting this error on running autotest loading autotest/rspec_rspec2 Autotest style autotest/rspec_rspec2 doesn't seem to exist. Aborting; my autotest version is 4.2.1 and version of rails is 3.2.15 Can ayone please tell me what am I doing wrong?
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<warti>
I think it's problem with ZenTest but I don't know which version of ZenTest to use
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<apeiros>
j416: yes, if he does that, then self.class.name still gives you that redefined method
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<jds>
Hi
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<jds>
What does ruby use to determine equality on hash keys?
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<apeiros>
jds: straight from the docs:
<apeiros>
Two objects refer to the same hash key when their hash value is identical and
<apeiros>
the two objects are eql? to each other.
<apeiros>
"the hash value" -> key.hash
<jds>
Hmph. So I've got a hash with a number keys that are identical, both from the hash value and if I compare them via eql?
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<apeiros>
you could also leave it undefined. I prefer to have it defined and thus documented
<j416>
yeah
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<j416>
I think I'll just say nil here though
<j416>
it's not up to the logger to catch this
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<j416>
but in practice, unless we've done something very wrong, that else will never be triggered, right
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<apeiros>
up to you of course. IMO that just leads to undetected bugs.
<j416>
true
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<apeiros>
but I'm not yet consistent in doing it myself. mainly because it has that dependency.
<j416>
ah, yes..
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<j416>
but it's a nice name
<j416>
I'll use that error class but not the convenience method
<j416>
else raise Unreachable, 'self is not an Object'
<j416>
and do that
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<Scorchin>
What are the options for creating a class that has default attributes (and a similar constructor) as well as having the requisite marshalling methods in place to allow easy serialization to JSON?
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<wolester>
centrx: If either player's strategy is something other than "R", "P" or "S" (case-SENSITIVE), the method should raise a 'RockPaperScissors::NoSuchStrategyError' exception and provide the message: "Strategy must be one of R,P,S"
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<wolester>
so it can be only "R", "P" or "S" only
<centrx>
wolester, Okay, put that at the beginning of the method then
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<Macaveli>
Hello!
<Macaveli>
screen irssi
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<elaptics>
wolester: I had a little play with your code - here's my first quick attempt to clean up the winner method and start to feel a little more object-y https://gist.github.com/andyh/b70654fd64571422a6ba
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<wolester>
elaptics: trying to understand it :p
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<wolester>
it's beyond my level I guess
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<elaptics>
wolester: which bit/s?
<wolester>
elaptics: don't understnd this part nless [player1, player2].map(&:playing).all? {|p| %w(R P S).include?(p)
<wolester>
also going to look up fetch method
<elaptics>
wolester: that's just making sure both players have played a valid move. It's just checking that the player objects playing method is one of those values
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<elaptics>
wolester: next thing I'd probably do is move that code into a method with a better name so it's clear what its intent is
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<elaptics>
just wanted to post the code as-is since my lunchtime is over :)
<wolester>
elaptics: but when do we use & before the symbol?
<wolester>
also %w
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<wolester>
map(&:playing).all?
<elaptics>
wolester: %w is a shortcut method for creating an array of strings
<wolester>
boo, that is over my head
<elaptics>
wolester: try it in an irb console and you'll see
<wolester>
aha
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<apeiros>
wolester: .all?(&:playing)
<apeiros>
no need for a temporary array
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<elaptics>
wolester: the &:symbol is another shortcut for converting a symbol to a proc - google it :)
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<wolester>
elaptics: i know what proc is :)
<elaptics>
apeiros: oh yeah, I knew I could clean that up as I was writing it but my brain didn't want to tell me :)
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<wolester>
but I still really don't understand this part [player1, player2].map(&:playing).all? {|p| %w(R P S).include?(p)}
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<apeiros>
and with the & in `foo(&expression)` you tell ruby to treat `expression` as the block passed to the method foo. if `expression` does not evaluate to a Proc, it'll call to_proc on it (and then convert the Proc to a block)
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<apeiros>
"this part" is rather large. what in it do you not understand?
<wolester>
just that much now [player1, player2].map(&:playing)
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<Guest52913>
hi all
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<ALVAN>
hi all .. i ahve a foodcritic vilation error "Consider extracting long ruby_block to library" does anyone knows what it means ?
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<centrx>
ALVAN, You probably have a really long block that could be shortened in various ways
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<gauravagarwalr>
ALVAN: Its just like it says.. there seems to be some code within an each/map/reduce or any other variant of it, which according to Foodcritic is very long..
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<gauravagarwalr>
likely there are about 20+ lines!
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<ALVAN>
gauravagarwalr: ok thanks . .. i read about it buit dont know how to break it into libraries
<wolester>
centrx: it has got no voice :p
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<centrx>
?
<matrixdevuk>
Hola
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<matrixdevuk>
How's it going?
<wolester>
centrx: pm
<centrx>
I saw links to Youtube video and tuned out
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<gauravagarwalr>
ALVAN: you can break it into method calls.. refactor the code to where it belongs.. move it inside other Class(es) or perhaps methods in the current class itself..
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<wolester>
centrx: yeah, there is no voice to understand what they are doing :(
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<MartynKeigher>
hey all. i'm having issues with passing SQL variables (MySQL) in a ruby job file. - anyone have experience with this?
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<Karunamon>
So here's a random question, not about solving a problem for a change: MatchData quacks like an array but lacks a .each method. Why is that?
<Karunamon>
You can call to_a on it and get the same effect, I just wonder if there is a reason for that decision
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<centrx>
Having a #to_a method does not mean it quacks like an array
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<Karunamon>
I mean you can do to_a if you really want to iterate through matches
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<centrx>
Yes, I usually use #captures
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<centrx>
Karunamon, You could add a method to Object so that any object with a #to_a method will also respond to #each
<Karunamon>
I know, I know, there are multiple ways around it, this was more just a "Huh, interesting, wonder why" type question :)
<centrx>
Karunamon, What would be the reason for using #each on what #to_a returns?
<centrx>
I would have use for it with #captures
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<MartynKeigher>
Can someone please shed some light onto WHY this is pulling the variable through to the SQL query? http://pastebin.com/3TyRUwsc Thanks.
<centrx>
But that would be confusing if #each does not get the same results as #to_a
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<centrx>
MartynKeigher, Sure, but how have you determined why that count is not appearing?
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<centrx>
MartynKeigher, e.g. this send_event thing looks pretty wacky. That's much more likely to be where the problem resides than "double-quoted string failing to interpolate variable!!!"
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<MartynKeigher>
im actually using another file that does pass the variables through.. and the send event is send_event(server[:name], result: result)
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<crazed>
interesting.. faraday is stripping some important data from my query string
<crazed>
basically i have multiple &target=one&target=two
<crazed>
heh except when the url you're calling supports multiple
<crazed>
going from ruby -> python app for example
<crazed>
less strict about that stuff
<sevenseacat>
fairly sure the behaviour of HTTP is undefined when you do that
<sevenseacat>
if you want an array of values, use array notation
<crazed>
i'd believe it
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<crazed>
just need to hack around to make ruby not strip query parameters
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<a46>
how do I get the obj.methods list that doesn't include all the inherited ones?
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<a46>
what's a more useful version of obj.methods?
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<benzrf>
a46: obj.methods(false)
<gregf_>
well += is overloaded
<gregf_>
sorry wrong chat :/
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<a46>
that gives me an empty list
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<mordof_work>
Is there a channel to ask questions for Prawn? or should I just ask it here?
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<apeiros>
a46: obj.methods - <methods you don't want>
<apeiros>
e.g. obj.methods - Object.instance_methods
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<a46>
I guess it's because my obj is a class not an instance
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<mordof_work>
Currently working with prawn - I'm trying to make a table that has all columns align: center, but then every other row a colspan: (full width), align: left cell.. i can't seem to find how to do this though
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<shevy>
sounds like an advanced question mordof
<mordof_work>
shevy: hey :)
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<mordof_work>
bah.. lunch meeting. afk
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<__julien>
hello , is there a correct syntax to do : hash["#{variable}"]
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<terrellt>
__julien: hash[variable]
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<terrellt>
Assuming hash is a variable that's a hash..
<terrellt>
And variable is a variable that's a string.
<terrellt>
Or symbol
<terrellt>
Or key.
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<seph429>
what if its a taco
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<shevy>
taco works as well
<shevy>
a hash is very flexible
<shevy>
as long as the taco is an object
<__julien>
in fact it's a chef node attribute that is a hash
<seph429>
taco.eat
<seph429>
its not an object anymore :)
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<banister>
__julien i hate chef more than i hate hell and all montagues
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<seph429>
chef is pretty annoying
<m-r-r>
Hello
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<m-r-r>
What does 'binding' means in Ruby ?
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<shevy>
he creates electron transmission microscopic datasets, captured into .tif format, which eventually have to be reconstructed into 3D objects. I still don't understand half of it
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<shevy>
arup_r stackoverflow - I tried to look if anyone has ruby questions, and saw you answered like all there are
<shevy>
I noticed "hey, I saw that name on IRC didn't I ..."
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<arup_r>
ohh! Yes..I always there.. But started to love this irc too... :-)
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<shevy>
IRC is older than stackoverflow!
<shevy>
but stackoverflow kinda beats IRC :(
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<shevy>
you get karma for helping people on stackoverflow
<shevy>
and no karma on IRC
<shevy>
:P
<arup_r>
Humm .. But I was not aware of.. JEGII sent me here by saying, I will learn more from here..
<shevy>
dunno it depends
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<shevy>
when apeiros is there then yes
<shevy>
on weekends it is very quiet here
<shevy>
especially Sunday
<arup_r>
So I came... But one people is here who didn't like me or welcome me as I joined.. :(
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<shevy>
so what, it's not as if you depend on everyone liking you :P
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<arup_r>
shevy: What do you mean by "hey, I saw that name on IRC didn't I ..."
<arup_r>
:-)
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<apeiros>
whot?
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<shevy>
yeah
<shevy>
arup_r on stackoverflow, you use the same nicks
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<arup_r>
ohh!!
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<arup_r>
shevy: Mohit is Indian name.
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<shevy>
hehe
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<armenb>
hello
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<armenb>
is there an easy way in ruby to get a time object of 10 minutes ago?
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<armenb>
i'm looking for the equivalent of timedelta in python
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<vifino>
Any way I can communicate between forks?
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<elaptics>
armenb: Time.now - (x*60) # x is the number of minutes :)
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<armenb>
elaptics: thanks!
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<davidcelis>
i was gonna suggest that they look at the code behind ActiveSupport::Duration
<davidcelis>
then i realized what a terrible idea that would be
<elaptics>
:)
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<elaptics>
davidcelis: ultimately it pretty much does what I just suggested :)
<shevy>
:P
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<davidcelis>
yeah
<davidcelis>
it just takes a lot more code to do it :(
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<chamblin>
it's slightly functionally different, i don't think you need to check if your strings include the string before subbing. this solution also goes down multiple arrays if needed, which might not be intended
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<sjouke>
I know this isn't a ruby on rails support channel, but I do have a question that I think is relevant to rubyists. in project_root/config/environment.rb there exists a [line? statement? not sure what you call it]:
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<jottr>
Could someone be so kind and explain the following: hsh = Hash.new([]) hsh[:one] << "foo" hsh[:two] << "bar" . Strangely hsh => {}, but hsh[:one] => ["foo", "bar"]
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<jottr>
toretore: hm. it seems I don't really grok the shovel operator...I couldn't find anything about << in the rdoc of Array and Hash
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<eam>
jottr: << is just push()
<chamblin>
jottr: i think it's the default initialization, not the <<, that causes the behavior you see
<eam>
it's a method on Array -- not a method on hash
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<chamblin>
because the hash creates the array when it's instantiated. and then when you call hsh[:missing], it sets hsh[:missing] to that array for you. but since arrays are reference types, they all end up pointing to the same array.
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<chamblin>
but if you give it a proc, as in Hash.new{[]}, the result of each proc run is a unique and new array.
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<eam>
in jottr's example, why is #keys empty?
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<eam>
oh I see
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<jottr>
^^ thats what actually tripped me too
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<jottr>
s/tripped/trips
<chamblin>
:\
<eam>
that's interesting behavior that the default is actually returned from each hash get instead of just being a default value used for set
<jottr>
chamblin: sorry didn't see your last post.
<eam>
I wouldn't expect that to be the case
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<toretore>
Hash.new(v) just sets Hash#default
<chamblin>
oh i see.
<toretore>
block -> default_proc
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<toretore>
default = returned on failed get; default_proc = executed on failed get
<toretore>
nothing more, nothing less
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<jimbow>
how do we search for special characters on the search
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<jimbow>
i specifially want to know the difference between #{} and %{}
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<jimbow>
i still don't know anything toretore
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<toretore>
you know that {foo: 'bar'} and {:foo => 'bar'} are the same
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<toretore>
you should avoid using {foo: 'bar'} for now
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<jimbow>
what is foo and what is bar?
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<toretore>
same with all the %w{} stuff
<havenwood>
FUBAR
<toretore>
:foo is a symbol
<toretore>
'bar' is a string
<wahben>
Hello Rubyists, so I have a UTF-8 encoded string with an invalid UTF-8 byte sequence, I'd like to remove the invalid byte sequence from the string without having to convert to UTF-16 which may have side effect, and which is a useless operation anyways. But it seems that the only possible solution is to convert to and from UTF-16: "\xed\xa0\xbd\xe2\x98\xba".encode('UTF-16', 'UTF-8', invalid: :replace, replace: '').encode('UTF-8',
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<jottr>
Is it somehow possible to cd to the directory of the currently opened buffer? I.e. I edit /tmp/foodir/myfile.txt but launched vim from ~. Can I drop straight to that directory when exiting/backgrounding vim?
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<apeiros>
jottr: you can't modify the env of the parent process
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<jottr>
apeiros: ok.
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<apeiros>
at least not in any sane OS
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<pipework>
Why is that better than %w|bundle exec rake assets:precompile| ?
<apeiros>
pipework: well, just use that and splat it if you prefer that
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<pipework>
apeiros: Well, why not just use a string?
<apeiros>
because that's dangerous
<pipework>
How is it?
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<apeiros>
sh.execute "bundle #{untrusted_input}"
<pipework>
In what way is yours less dangerous?
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<apeiros>
untrusted_input = "foo; rm -rf /"
<pipework>
And how does yours prevent someone from doing that?
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<apeiros>
with mine, "foo; rm -rf /" is one argument
<pipework>
So?
<apeiros>
see rubys low level shell commands
<apeiros>
so it won't run rm -rf
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<apeiros>
you haven't used shell commands like that before?
<pipework>
Hm, I don't really buy it, but if you're expecting to take untrustable input, I guess.
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<apeiros>
see e.g. system
<pipework>
Typically I don't have the problem where I have to santize input before running commands. I don't recall ever needing to.
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<apeiros>
system 'ls -la; rm -rf /' # deletes your stuff
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<pipework>
While I can understand the benefit, I think it makes it uglier.
<apeiros>
system 'ls', '-la; rm -rf /' # tells you that '-la; rm -rf /' is not a valid argument to ls
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<apeiros>
I agree. but providing the non-ugly option has proven over time to let people do stupid shit :)
<pipework>
apeiros: Do you expect the user of the code to be handling untrusted input before passing it to the system?
<apeiros>
this is generic code. there's no reasonable expection
<pipework>
They can still do stupid things, they're extraordinarily crafty at finding ways to be stupid.
<apeiros>
*expectation
<pipework>
Anyways, +1 for the safety, -1 for the DSL.
<apeiros>
yes. but they less easily can do it accidentally.
<pipework>
I'm probably just a bit too apathetic towards protecting users from themselves in this way.
<apeiros>
I don't use any of rubys shell commands with a string unless it's an uninterpolated one
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<apeiros>
pipework: you're the kind of guy who doesn't use bind variables in sql queries too? :)
<pipework>
I usually just use Open3.
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<apeiros>
pipework: open3 doesn't magically protect you either
<pipework>
apeiros: I don't do SQL, there's a millionty other people who can.
<apeiros>
you have to use it in array form too
<pipework>
apeiros: I know it doesn't.
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<pipework>
I just don't fuck up, and don't let users fuck up on my behalf. :D
<apeiros>
how much do you want to bet that you never fucked up wrt user input? :)
<pipework>
I also admittedly don't have situations where I'd benefit greatly from this.
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<pipework>
apeiros: How often do you run shell commands that use user input directly?
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<pipework>
apeiros is making exec-as-a-service clearly
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<apeiros>
pipework: everybody thinks "oh this code is perfectly save because it doesn't have user input" until they notice they have and that their variables could be manipulated in unexpected ways
<pipework>
apeiros: Well, that's not really something that has ever come up for me.
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<apeiros>
pipework: if you write a custom shell script sure.
<pipework>
I am lucky enough to not have user input directly involved with shelling out. The poor sod that does though, I can see the necessity.
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<apeiros>
pipework: if you write a library, the situation is a tad different, wouldn't you think?
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<pipework>
apeiros: No, why would it?
<apeiros>
pipework: "lets not add bind variables to sql libs because people should just write proper code"
<pipework>
There's only so much work I will invest in protecting developers from being the fuckwits they are.
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<apeiros>
sorry if I find that line of argument silly.
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<pipework>
apeiros: I'm just saying I've never come across a case in my experience where I needed the amount of protection you're allowing.
<pipework>
Not that you could just write good code.
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<apeiros>
in other words you're saying "because I never came across, it should not be added"
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<pipework>
No, but I think we're done here because you clearly have some kind of skew you're adding to things I say.
<pipework>
Good luck with the library, I'm sure someone will use it and benefit from the protection.
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<pipework>
apeiros: To answer your other attempt to put words into my mouth, I just wouldn't use your library, because it solves a problem I do not have.
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<apeiros>
pipework: said every coder who didn't use bind variables or passed input to the shell. sorry, but I consider your attitude rather short-sighted.
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<apeiros>
it may very well be that you personally don't have crossed a use case
<pipework>
apeiros: So I'm short-sighted because I don't make stupid mistakes? Brilliant.
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<pipework>
Spot on you are with this one.
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<apeiros>
pipework: no, you're short-sighted because you prefer to rely on writing always perfect code instead of using safe constructs.
<apeiros>
and because you expect every other coder to write similarly high quality code
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<pipework>
apeiros: Oh, no I'm not short-sighted for that. I just don't find a lot of value in it given that I don't use user input in shell commands directly. :)
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<pipework>
Seems like the safest approach. A library to encourage a developer to use user input in a shell commands sounds like an abominable waste of time, no matter what safety precautions it puts in place. :)
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<apeiros>
pipework: in that case you're short-sighted because you use your limited personal use-case to argue how it should be done in general.
<pipework>
apeiros: I actually haven't argued that way, you're still inventing false arguments.
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<pipework>
Perhaps take 5 seconds to read what I say without trying to infer anything, it'd probably help with future discourse.
<apeiros>
there's a scrollback which says you did
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<pipework>
Then I can't really help you if you've decided that you know what I was arguing better than me. Seems like you know everything, and I'm just damned to be short-sighted because of your ineffable wisdom.
<pipework>
Your DSL still looks like shit though, can't fix that.
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<apeiros>
lets take a step back. you say a plain string argument to pass to sh.execute would be nicer/less ugly. right?
<toretore>
ur mom looks like shit
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<pipework>
apeiros: I'm disinterested in discussing anything of technical merit with you at this time. I can't be expected to deal with your level of combativeness.
<apeiros>
ok
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<pipework>
toretore: She's a nice lady though!
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<shevy>
pics
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<apeiros>
oh, pipework is spaceghost…
<apeiros>
that explains things
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<shevy>
are you stalking him
<shevy>
kissy kissy kissy? :>
<pipework>
My near perfection is explained by my identity.
<shevy>
all I know is that pipework likes documentation
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<apeiros>
shevy: ugh. stalking sounds like far too much work.
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<shevy>
perhaps I could stalk pipework for you!
<apeiros>
pipework: yeah. sure.
<shevy>
pipework what is your favourite colour?
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<shevy>
and are you allergic to cats
<Starless>
shevy: yes, pipework; what is your favorite color?
<pipework>
shevy: Probably the color of apeiros' face when he realizes that his library is silly.
<apeiros>
sounds like somebody is butthurt
<pipework>
Nawbruv, just trollin'
<shevy>
oh man :P
<pipework>
Ain't got the buttHz. I let shevy.
<pipework>
apeiros: For what it's worth, while I find the DSL to be uglier with the safer method, I wasn't arguing against it being present, I was just saying that the use case for it isn't one I've ever come in contact with.
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<shevy>
you hated it with all your guts pipework
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<pipework>
To be clear, I would either not use the library, or ask that I could pass a configuration option in to allow the use of a single string.
<shevy>
actually, I came way too late to the party :(
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<apeiros>
could rewrite that code to: total -= 10*arr.count("A") if total > 21 # now
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<apeiros>
meh. I think it's getting late. somehow didn't notice that it's subtracting from the same variable as it compares to… but could still be written shorter
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<dopiee>
so if A == 11 it would set A to 1
<dopiee>
?
<dopiee>
"A"
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<dopiee>
what des the 10*arr mean
<dopiee>
sorry
<dopiee>
just analyzing your code
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<apeiros>
`10*arr.count("A")` is executed in this order: `10*(arr.count("A"))`
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<apeiros>
arr.count("A") returns how many times "A" occurs in arr
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<dopiee>
so its multiplying by 10 how ever many times A occurs?
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<apeiros>
yes. but it doesn't properly limit it as the iterating code does
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<shevy>
is there a simple but effective way to disable specific warnings?
<shevy>
/usr/lib/ruby/gems/2.1.0/gems/syck-1.0.1/lib/yaml/engine_manager.rb:18: warning: method redefined; discarding old yamler
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<shevy>
something like "show me warnings as usual, but not from gem XYZ"
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<shevy>
huh weird... I thought $VERBOSE would have valuesl ike 0, 1 or 2
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<shevy>
ok, seems to work when changing $VERBOSE and then restoring the old default again. it is not pretty but it seems to work
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<rails_flix>
Hi how to convert doc files to text in ruby on a linux machine?
<rails_flix>
win32ole gem only works on windows
<centrx>
There may be a Linux program that does that on the command-line
<centrx>
or an online service that will do it
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<toretore>
i'd look at openoffice
<rails_flix>
hmm there is no ruby gem?
<pipework>
What kinds of doc files? Like the doc format or docx?
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<rails_flix>
pipework, both
<rails_flix>
resumes
<pipework>
rails_flix: Ah, do you have a list of acceptable formats?
<rails_flix>
pdf, doc, docx and rtf
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<shevy>
unfortunately I think there is no trivial way to do that
<shevy>
perhaps libreoffice would offer some commandline switch, then you could use system() from ruby
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<apeiros>
there was a headless openoffice. I'd assume that still exists for libreoffice
<pipework>
There is a headless version of abiword and openoffice.
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<atmosx>
headless openoffice?
<atmosx>
how exactly does this work?
<pipework>
atmosx: you tell me.
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Djinni
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<shevy>
I think pipework was dreaming of Barbara Eden
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<mspah_>
Hey guys, are there any must have rails books? I'm looking for something as good as Eloquent Ruby and Practical Object-Oriented Design in Ruby
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<Mon_Ouie>
You should ask that question in #rubyonrails
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<mspah_>
thanks Mon
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