#ruby on 2014-07-31 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2014-05-09 04:44 apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby to: Ruby 2.1.2; 2.0.0-p481; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || this channel is logged at http://irclog.whitequark.org, other public logging is prohibited

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00:33 <omosoj> hey guys i have a question... is there a way to search audio file A for a sound clip (audio file B) and return the time the clip is played? does ruby have a library that does that?

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00:35 <wallerdev> it wouldnt be a ruby library

00:35 <wallerdev> itd be a c library or something, and it might have ruby bindings

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00:36 <omosoj> wallerdev, i see. interesting

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00:49 <omosoj> wallerdev, how did you know that it would need to be c to do it?

00:51 <wallerdev> because a library like that would require specific things like data processing of sound files and sound searching algorithms

00:51 <wallerdev> so its likely that kind of thing would just be written once, and then reused in any language that needs it

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00:51 <wallerdev> if someone wrote it in ruby, only ruby users could do that, python users couldnt, c users couldnt, php users couldnt

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00:52 <wallerdev> but if you write a library like that in C, every other language can just write a wrapper for the library

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00:52 <wallerdev> and use it

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00:53 <wallerdev> its the same reason we dont have video processing libraries in ruby, thats very complicated so we just reuse the work people have done w/ ffmpeg etc

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00:53 <wallerdev> and its much faster that way too

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01:06 <omosoj> i see

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01:25 <Cheezebox> hello

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02:44 <babykosh> ruby gods simple question…I want to see the text of my passing rspec test not just the dot ….how do I accomplish this feat?

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02:46 <sevenseacat> change the rspec formatter

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02:48 <babykosh> I got it

02:48 <Pizza> got what? milk?

02:48 <Pizza> just joined in

02:48 <benzrf> got peteza

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02:49 <Pizza> since the creator of ruby is an emacs junky, are all of you on emacs?

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02:50 <sevenseacat> no

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02:50 <mozzarella> vim masterrace

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02:50 <Pizza> i'm on emacs.

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02:51 <sevenseacat> sublime text.

02:51 <Pizza> mozzarella. why are you using vim? emacs has already swallowed vim whole

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02:53 <Pizza> sublime text is so bandwagon. You need to make a fashion statement.

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02:53 <sevenseacat> trollolol

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02:56 <Starless> sublime text is for kings

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02:57 <mozzarella> you know sublime text is proprietary software, right?

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02:59 <benzrf> ST is for people who need to believe that theyre kings in order to not feel inferior

02:59 <benzrf> ;)

02:59 <benzrf> vim 5 lyfe

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03:12 <ericwood> VIM POWER

03:12 <ericwood> love too vim

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03:13 <raul7821> hi guys, how can I solve this issue

03:13 <raul7821> https://gist.github.com/raul782/b2c9641af10881ea6dda

03:14 <sevenseacat> raul7821: i think you're in the wrong channel

03:14 <raul7821> is this related to ruby or chef?

03:14 <raul7821> this error invalid byte sequence in US-ASCII

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05:39 <hakunin> i'm wonder if there's a way to reference an object in a Set…

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05:43 <apeiros_> zenspider: heh, somehow nice to see that there's times when we agree :)

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05:45 <apeiros_> hakunin: reference it by what?

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05:45 <apeiros_> x = obj; set << x; # still have the object referenced using x

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05:46 <apeiros_> hakunin: please, if you cross post, say that you cross post in those channels.

05:46 <hakunin> apeiros_: i was looking for the exact object in the set, not its copy. as in - if you add object that eql x a second time, set won't add it, and i'd want the exact one in the set, so 2nd one could be GC'd

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05:47 <hakunin> apeiros_: btw hey there

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05:48 <apeiros> use a hash with the key being its value

05:48 <apeiros> Hash is what Set uses underneath anyway

05:48 <hakunin> apeiros: that's pretty much what set is afaik,

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05:49 <hakunin> apeiros: but how do you reference a key of a hash, same issue

05:49 <s2013> can you use ruby to replace bash scripting?

05:49 <s2013> or atleast emulate it

05:49 <apeiros> hakunin: you don't. as I said, keep key == value

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05:50 <apeiros> then you just do: canonical = hash[obj]

05:50 <hakunin> apeiros: ah i see what you mean, interesting

05:50 <aagdbl> s2013, depends on what functionality of bash you want to replace

05:50 <s2013> so i want to automate conversion and importing of something

05:50 <hakunin> apeiros: (i usually note the x-post but seemed so dead today)

05:50 <s2013> basically go through all the files in a directory.. convert it using a program.. and then import it

05:51 <apeiros> s2013: you can. but be aware that for a good bit, bash is quite good in its domain

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05:51 <s2013> yeah i always meant to do some bash scripting. figured might as weel

05:51 <s2013> well*

05:51 <s2013> is it hard to pick up?

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05:54 <apeiros> s2013: ruby? no. but I thought I had seen you in the channel for at least over a year?

05:54 <OffTheRails> hey I have a question about programming in general. I've only ever worked with dynamic languages (php, python, ruby) and wanted to expose myself to other languages (static, functional, etc)

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05:54 <s2013> not ruby man

05:54 <s2013> bashcripting

05:55 <OffTheRails> if I went back to C/C++ would it be worth learning one over the other?

05:55 <apeiros> oh

05:55 <s2013> and ive been here for couple of years atleast

05:55 <apeiros> probably not

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05:55 <apeiros> I find it horrible, though, and never went too deep

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05:55 <s2013> yeah i need to get better at devops stuff

05:55 <apeiros> I don't think that's true

05:55 <s2013> whats not true?

05:56 <apeiros> IMO lots of devops use bash scripts for the lack of knowing languages better suited for programming

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05:56 <robscormack> there is a book: "Ruby for System Administration"

05:56 <robscormack> it's the best thing you can give to a devops

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05:57 <apeiros> s2013: that you need bash scripting to be better at devops

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05:58 <s2013> im not a devops i use ruby mainly for rails

05:58 <s2013> but i know chef/puppet uses ruby. we use that at work

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05:59 <hakunin> heh, maybe i shouldn't have tried building 100mil item set to test if lookup is O(1)… currently 5GB of RAM in ruby process

06:00 <s2013> look up for what

06:00 <apeiros> uh, set is O(1) lookup. could have told you that :-p

06:00 * apeiros off for commute

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06:00 <s2013> for a set?

06:00 <hakunin> i was almost sure of that :)

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06:01 <s2013> set/hashes etc are all O(1)

06:01 <hakunin> apeiros: s2013: yeah that's the whole point of hash/set structure

06:01 <s2013> yeah

06:01 <hakunin> it's 2am here, my bases aren't fully saturated

06:01 <s2013> where are you?

06:02 <hakunin> new york

06:02 <s2013> ah a magical place

06:02 <s2013> city?

06:02 <hakunin> yes, well, i'm in brooklyn specifically

06:02 <s2013> omg. arent you like ever shot at?

06:02 <s2013> or robbed?

06:02 <hakunin> have you ever been here?

06:02 <s2013> no. im scared

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06:03 <s2013> jk.. i am a native new yorker. but whenever i travel and people here im from nyc.. well back in the days anyways people would ask me if i ever got robbed or shot

06:03 <hakunin> you better be, it's scary here, the hipsters with their fancy cafes and farmer markets, i can't find a place to hide

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06:04 <s2013> took my first steps in coney island.

06:04 <sevenseacat> i'd love to visit new york

06:04 <hakunin> s2013: heh, i'm living in coney island

06:04 <s2013> do it

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06:04 <s2013> hakunin, hipsters havent gotten that far yet have they

06:04 <hakunin> ocean out of my window

06:04 <sevenseacat> i've read so much about the place

06:04 <hakunin> s2013: actually hoping they would

06:04 <s2013> i spent most of my life in queens though. brooklyn is where i lived until i learned to walk and talk

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06:04 <s2013> sevenseacat, its the greatest city in the world

06:05 <s2013> although my high school was in bk

06:05 <hakunin> s2013: which high school

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06:05 <sevenseacat> its gotta be better than perth, perth is just like a really big small town

06:05 <s2013> bklyn tech

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06:05 <hakunin> s2013: ah, i have a friend that went there, not myself

06:05 <s2013> perth is the most isolated city in the world

06:05 <sevenseacat> indeed

06:06 <hakunin> sevenseacat: i always wondered what Perth is like

06:06 <s2013> yeah it was a good school but our principal was a jack ass. we learned more about our school through NY Times than being there

06:06 <sevenseacat> in many ways, not just distance

06:06 <hakunin> looked on street view and stuff

06:06 <sevenseacat> hakunin: a really big small town where everyone knows everyone

06:06 <hakunin> looks different, in an interesting way

06:06 <s2013> next time I am in Aussieland im going to visit Perth

06:06 <sevenseacat> even though there's 2 million people here

06:06 <hakunin> sevenseacat: that sounds magical in some way

06:07 <s2013> melbourne is nice. i miss sydney though

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06:07 <sevenseacat> ive only been to sydney once, for rubyconf au this year

06:07 <hakunin> i've been to Champaign-Urbana recently (a town in Illinois) and became friends with everyone at programmer meetup on day one

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06:08 <hakunin> in New York almost 15 yrs, not a single friend from meetups

06:08 <s2013> UIUC is an amazing school for CS hakunin

06:08 <s2013> hakunin, which meetups are you part of?

06:08 <jeaye> NY, Perth, etc etc. I spent a large portion of my life in towns with ~2K population.

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06:08 <sevenseacat> jeaye: i would have gone insane lol

06:08 <s2013> jeaye, part of me wishes i grew up in a small town

06:09 <s2013> it would be nice to actually know your neighbors

06:09 <jeaye> It can be. Not always.

06:09 <hakunin> s2013: i was going to random ones, etsy, digital ocean, the js ones, flatiron ones, some more i can't remember

06:09 <s2013> i think we spoke to our next door neighbors about 3 times in the past 15 years

06:09 <sevenseacat> i know my neighbours

06:10 <sevenseacat> they give us eggs and chase my cats over the fence when they go exploring

06:10 <s2013> yeah i wish i had that

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06:11 <hakunin> i said hi to one neighbor while he was wearing a towel and saying bye to a woman, and "is everything ok" to another neighbor, who's a lady mother that yelled "help" because she was afraid of her drug-addict son

06:11 <hakunin> that's the extent of my interaction

06:11 <hakunin> both awkward

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06:11 <jeaye> Also, 95% Caucasian.

06:11 <jeaye> Rather, 96%

06:12 <s2013> mmm caucasians

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06:12 <s2013> im half caucasian..

06:12 <s2013> in the sense that im asian

06:12 <s2013> just not the cauc part

06:12 <jeaye> I'm one and a half Caucasian.

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06:12 <jeaye> s2013 has no cauc.

06:13 <s2013> i love driving to and stopping in small towns though

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06:14 <hakunin> there are probably 30 nationalities per block in coney island

06:14 <s2013> in the end we are all american!

06:14 <hakunin> my high school had 200

06:14 <s2013> wherd you go to hs

06:15 <hakunin> lincoln

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06:15 <s2013> cool

06:15 <hakunin> then poly uni

06:15 <s2013> no way

06:15 <s2013> what year

06:15 <hakunin> 2004-[redacted]

06:15 <s2013> oh snap me tooish

06:15 <s2013> well i was there for 3 semesters

06:16 <hakunin> oh i was for 2 years

06:16 <hakunin> 2.smth

06:16 <s2013> this was before NYU bought them and merged with them right

06:16 <hakunin> yes, i was leaving while they were merging

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06:16 <s2013> yeah with NYU's money.. they are much better now

06:16 <hakunin> i took a leave of absence, then just kinda wandered off

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06:17 <Hanmac> http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-north-carolina-republicans-put-ideology-above-lives/2014/07/28/724081cc-169e-11e4-85b6-c1451e622637_story.html?tid=rssfeed << "ideology-above-lives" oO

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06:17 <s2013> yeah it happens.

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06:18 <zenspider> hell... I have friends from NYC meetups. maybe you should talk to people

06:19 <zenspider> (and I live in seattle)

06:19 <hakunin> zenspider: you have friends from everywhere

06:19 <zenspider> don't make assumptions

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06:19 <zenspider> UIUC is a fantastic school. I'd love to study under johnson

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06:20 <s2013> yeah UIUC is at the top of their game

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06:20 <s2013> as far as public school goes imo its UIUC/GT/UCB/UCLA/UT

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06:21 <hakunin> perhaps one day i'll transfer, finish cs there…

06:21 <s2013> hows your gpa

06:21 <s2013> youd need atleast a 3.8 i reckon to get into any of those cs programs

06:21 <zenspider> NEU & indiana... but I'm biased towards the schemer schools atm

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06:21 <s2013> NEU has madea lot of strides though. im surprised

06:22 <Hanmac> Bolivia declares Israel as terrorist state ;P https://news.yahoo.com/bolivia-declares-israel-terrorist-state-184920411.html

06:22 <zenspider> UIUC & PSU for oo schools

06:23 <s2013> buddy goes to PSU

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06:24 <hakunin> s2013: probably not going to work with my left-over gpa from poly, wonder if it could still be possible after such a long time

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06:24 <s2013> some places have a 10 year forgiveness thig

06:25 <s2013> i know UT does.. and we have an amazing cs program

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06:27 <zenspider> right. UT for schemer too... just... that U is a tough one

06:27 <zenspider> (the location, not the fact that it is a university)

06:27 <zenspider> I'd love to study under flatt... but not at that cost

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06:29 <s2013> what do you mean zenspider

06:29 <s2013> do you mean schneems zenspider ?

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06:30 <zenspider> sorry. I was referring to university of utah

06:30 <zenspider> matt flatt is one of the core contributors to racket scheme

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06:31 <s2013> oh ok

06:32 <hakunin> i love utah for nature, but long term, not so much…

06:32 <s2013> i was talking about University of Texas

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06:33 <zenspider> then my point still stands, but s/U/T/

06:33 <zenspider> because... fuck texas. *shudder*

06:33 <s2013> ehhhhhhh

06:33 <sedeki> i get redirected to ##namespace when i try to join #rails why?

06:33 <zenspider> so many many things wrong with that state

06:33 <s2013> its #rubyonrails sedeki

06:33 <sedeki> thanks

06:34 <s2013> texas is awesome but thank you for staying away :)

06:34 <zenspider> no and you're welcome. :P

06:34 <s2013> way too many people (including me) moving in as it is

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06:34 <zenspider> maybe I can send you all the ppl from cali moving here. :)

06:34 <s2013> please no.

06:34 <hakunin> austin was great, but state politics is pretty sad

06:34 <zenspider> the only texas school I know anything about is rice, and they've lost several of their principal movers

06:34 <s2013> texas is being overrun by californians

06:35 <zenspider> so is washington... maybe we should send them to utah

06:35 <s2013> eh i dont wanna get into politics.

06:35 <s2013> i live between ny and texas.. i enjoy both.

06:35 <zenspider> heh. that's some culture shock

06:35 <s2013> it was but i got used to it

06:35 <jeaye> I've gone from small-town Maine, to Florida, to San Francisco, and now to Singapore.

06:35 <s2013> how you like singapore? i didnt enjoy it much there

06:36 <s2013> felt like a gigantic mall

06:36 <jeaye> So many malls.

06:36 <zenspider> tenderlove loved it

06:36 <s2013> but i stayed at marina bay sands so that was worth it

06:36 <zenspider> esp the food vendor bazaars

06:36 <jeaye> s2013: It's not so bad. I feel like I've lost many freedoms.

06:36 <zenspider> don't remember the name for them

06:36 <s2013> hawks?

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06:36 <s2013> or whatever

06:36 <jeaye> But I'm only here for a couple of years, then I'll be back in the states.

06:36 <zenspider> yeah

06:36 <s2013> hawker centers

06:36 <jeaye> hawker centers

06:37 <s2013> jinx

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06:37 <s2013> lol we paid $200 for steak for 2 .. worst steak ever

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06:37 <s2013> of course that wasnt at the hawker center

06:37 <hakunin> speaking of freedoms, doing business in russia is really fun nowadays…

06:38 <s2013> us is the best place to do business and texas is the best place for business in the us

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06:38 <jeaye> I really liked SF.

06:38 <s2013> sf is ok

06:39 <hakunin> on one hand in less developed country you get tons of chances to try something that already worked elsewhere, on the other hand oppressive government, abysmal infrastructure, smaller market…

06:41 <s2013> yup

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07:49 <zenspider> finally: https://github.com/seattlerb/minitest-bisect

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07:51 <pepijndevos> I installed ruby using homebrew, but none of my native extensions work.

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07:51 <zenspider> pepijndevos: you RE-installed?

07:51 <pepijndevos> ??

07:52 <zenspider> you make it sound like you already had native extensions. what are you referring to?

07:52 <pipework> pepijndevos: Did you try using `gem pristine --extensions`? http://guides.rubygems.org/command-reference/#gem-pristine

07:52 <pepijndevos> pipework, yes

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07:53 <pepijndevos> and it's not one gem, but all of them can't locate libruby.

07:53 <pipework> pepijndevos: Then we'll likely need a better description of the issue.

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07:54 <pepijndevos> hold on... I just messed with brew a bit more, and at least jekyll works now. I hope nokogiri will too.

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07:54 <pepijndevos> apparently brew link failed because of some exisiting file

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07:57 <Hanmac> last time i did use macports and it worked better

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07:57 <zenspider> I really should add you to /fools

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07:58 <ddv> macports sucks

07:58 <ddv> homebrew <3

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08:00 <Hanmac> most of that time i did use rvm because otherwise it did make it more complicated with my tests ... i did test if my extension did work the same if ruby (and my ext) where both compiled with GCC or with CLANG

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08:00 <zenspider> that's better

08:01 <zenspider> anyone have test order dependency bugs?

08:01 <Hanmac> because there where problems that my lib does work with GCC but not with CLANG ... (l mean newest clang from macports, shipped clang is way to old)

08:01 <apeiros> I still don't really trust homebrow. chowining /usr/local to a specific user --

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08:03 <zenspider> apeiros: eh. works fine as root

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08:04 <pipework> These days I just use ruby-install and chruby for my development.

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08:06 <apeiros> zenspider: hah

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08:07 <zenspider> really... I ignore their bs about opening it up.

08:07 <zenspider> every recipe I've used works fine with sudo brew

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08:08 <zenspider> Hanmac: shipped clang is newer than what clang has officially released. your fud is getting old

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08:08 <pipework> I thought the caustic rubyist attitude fell out of fashion. Such retro.

08:09 <Hanmac> zenspider: the shipped clang was only compatible with gcc4.2 ... means no c11 features i did need ... thats why i needed an newer one

08:09 <zenspider> % clang --version

08:09 <zenspider> Apple LLVM version 6.0 (clang-600.0.34.4) (based on LLVM 3.5svn)

08:09 <sevenseacat> pipework: nah we're still elitist jerks.

08:09 <zenspider> 3.5 isn't even released yet. nice try

08:10 <zenspider> latest official release: 19 Jun 20143.4.2

08:10 <zenspider> http://llvm.org/releases/

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08:10 <pipework> sevenseacat: I was quite excited for it to be the style again. Now I can sport my pretentious PDX attitude as an accessory!

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08:10 <sevenseacat> pipework: you hippie.

08:10 <zenspider> hipster... please

08:10 <pipework> My favorite PDX bumper sticker: "Keep Portland passive-aggressive"

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08:10 <zenspider> haha

08:10 <pipework> zenspider: +1 on the great response.

08:11 <zenspider> I'm gonna be in pdx shortly

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08:11 <pipework> zenspider: What for?

08:11 <pipework> We should be assholes to each other in the same space for a time. That sounds like fun.

08:11 <zenspider> aja is speaking at cascadia ruby. I'm not actually going to the conf

08:11 <zenspider> just hanging at powells and eating pastrami and the like

08:12 <zenspider> I may sit _outside_ the conf

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08:12 <pipework> zenspider: Restraining order preventing your attendance?

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08:12 <zenspider> pipework: not wanting to spend 2 days in a faraday cage is one reason

08:12 <zenspider> it really is

08:12 <zenspider> ZERO cell reception

08:12 <zenspider> I bet doctors hate that place

08:13 <zenspider> and other first responders

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08:14 <zenspider> http://clang.llvm.org/cxx_status.html FUD again

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08:15 <pipework> zenspider: I'm excited for tenderlove to tell us all why we should work on making rails suck less, but with more puns than ever before.

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08:16 <zenspider> heh... I'm done with the puns by the time I'm done with lunch.

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08:16 <pipework> zenspider: I hear you can't handle the twitter puns and consequently ignored him.

08:17 <zenspider> yup. I've also removed all retweets from everyone I follow, partially because of him

08:17 <zenspider> tho as a social experiment... it's totally made twitter much nicer

08:17 <pipework> that's pretty funny. I remember someone came up with a plan to get everyone you folllow to retweet his puns.

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08:18 <zenspider> yeah...

08:18 <pipework> zenspider: I figure that twitter is just any other self-absorbed social network, so you're on the winning track with your current gameplan.

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08:19 <zenspider> I hate it, but it's good for marketing/branding/hunting-down-passive-aggressive-douchebags-who-don't-file-issues

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08:20 <pipework> zenspider: It's also a great resource for the more pun inclined if you know who to follow.

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08:22 <pipework> I hate twitter because it's like any George R.R. Martin book, it says so very little with so many words. The one consolation is that the extent of the loquaciousness is dwarfed to sets of 140 characters at a time.

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08:23 <sevenseacat> the first few books were good. the last few were horribly horribly long.

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08:23 <pipework> sevenseacat: The first few books were horribly long too, even if they were more entertaining.

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08:24 <sevenseacat> true, but i wasnt referring to actual physical length

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08:29 <lolmaus> I need a hash-like object A so that when a value for a non-existent key is requested it returns not nil but instantiates a new object B, saves it with that key and returns it.

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08:30 <zenspider> so you need a hash

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08:30 <zenspider> ri Hash.new

08:30 <lolmaus> zenspider: thx. ^_^

08:30 <sevenseacat> heh

08:30 <pipework> I believe this is the second time in two weeks that you've wanted something like a hash for some reason, and it turned out that you needed a hash.

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08:31 <sevenseacat> well, hashes are indeed hash-like.

08:31 <pipework> I'm not mathematician, but proof by induction, right?

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08:31 <sevenseacat> though with ruby, it would be easy to make them so they're not

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08:32 <lolmaus> zenspider: thx, the third form of Hash.new is exactly what i wanted.

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08:33 <pipework> I rather wish the PDX Ruby Brigade was more like Seattle's ruby group, but with different faces. I feel like starting another group would be fruitless and a waste of everyones time though. :(

08:34 <zenspider> I want to talk to some of the pdx folk

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08:34 <zenspider> I'd like to get some friendly games and competition going

08:34 <pipework> I'm sure you could find them.

08:34 <pipework> Though I'm not sure how many would subject themselves to that. Maybe Markus?

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08:35 <zenspider> I'd like to do some cross group devious ping-pong pairing

08:35 <zenspider> and I'm (slowly) working on a new tank game thing that we could do live cross-group

08:36 <zenspider> I guess LA.rb is defunct

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08:39 <pipework> I'd be interested in observing the exchange and watching a mailing list thread devolve into the usual reddit-style critique of other poster's English while others try desperately to get back on topic.

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08:47 <Ainieco> hello

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08:47 <Ainieco> what's the difference between string.unpack("M*") and string.unpack("M")?

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09:07 <mikecmpbll> hmpf

09:07 <mikecmpbll> if I have a class which includes two modules

09:08 <mikecmpbll> B and C for example, and module C uses methods from module B, i don't have to include module B in module C if they're both included in class A

09:08 <mikecmpbll> that probably made no sense, reading it back.

09:08 <mikecmpbll> but it seems slightly wrong to have module C calling methods from B with no reference in the source file to it.

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09:13 <shevy> wat

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09:14 <shevy> well, if you include a module it will become part of the ancestor chain of a class

09:14 <shevy> module Foo; end; class Bar; include Foo; end

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09:14 <shevy> Bar.ancestors # => [Bar, Foo,

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09:16 <daharon> Hey guys, I'm trying to figure out the shortest method for extracting the hostname given an FQDN. I'm not really a Ruby expert and so far my searches are just returning regexes.

09:16 <workmad3> daharon: URI.parse(fqdn).host

09:16 <workmad3> >> require 'uri'; URI.parse("google.com").host

09:17 <Mon_Robot> workmad3: => nil (https://eval.in/173599)

09:17 <daharon> workmad3: I tried that one in irb.

09:17 <daharon> All I have is FQDN

09:17 <workmad3> >> require 'uri'; URI.parse("http://google.com").host

09:17 <Mon_Robot> workmad3: => "google.com" (https://eval.in/173600)

09:17 <workmad3> daharon: hmm... isn't the fqdn the hostname?

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09:17 <daharon> workmad3: including domain.

09:17 <workmad3> daharon: or do you mean the domain?

09:18 <daharon> fqdn = hostname.domain

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09:18 <workmad3> daharon: ah, ok

09:18 <txdv> >> URI.parse("http://www.google.com").host

09:18 <Mon_Robot> txdv: => NameError: uninitialized constant URI (https://eval.in/173601)

09:18 <txdv> >> require 'uri'; URI.parse("http://www.google.com").host

09:18 <Mon_Robot> txdv: => "www.google.com" (https://eval.in/173602)

09:18 <mikecmpbll> :D

09:19 <txdv> returns www.google.com

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09:19 <workmad3> txdv: yeah... he just wants the www bit

09:19 <ruisantos> ?

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09:20 <txdv> we.are.awesome.hostname.domain works too

09:20 <txdv> so which one does he want/

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09:20 <shevy> ruby.is.sexy

09:20 <daharon> txdv: in the above, it would be 'we'

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09:20 <workmad3> daharon: hmm, I'd have said in the above it should be 'we.are.awesome.hostname'

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09:20 <txdv> >> "www.google.com".split(".").first

09:20 <Mon_Robot> txdv: => "www" (https://eval.in/173603)

09:21 <daharon> txdv: yeah, that's probably best.

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09:22 <daharon> txdv: yeah, I don't know what I was thinking. I'll just use that.

09:22 <txdv> >> require 'uri'; class URI; def bla; self.host.split(".").first; end; URI.parse("http://www.google.com").bla

09:22 <Mon_Robot> txdv: => SyntaxError: (eval):1: syntax error, unexpected end-of-input, expecting keyword_... (https://eval.in/173604)

09:22 <txdv> You wanted it to be in the library

09:22 <daharon> yeah

09:22 <txdv> but ruby libraries are created by hackers who dont think about every corner case

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09:22 <txdv> either you do a an issue/pull request or you just go with split

09:23 <workmad3> txdv: heh :) or in the case of URI, it was created to parse URIs which treat the domain as opaque ;)

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09:23 <workmad3> s/domain/host

09:23 <mikecmpbll> why do http libraries always cause me so much grief

09:23 <daharon> The split is easy enought to read.

09:23 <workmad3> mikecmpbll: because HTTP

09:23 <mikecmpbll> SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read server certificate B: certificate verify failed

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09:23 <daharon> I'm just concerned about readability.

09:23 <mikecmpbll> works fine with curl -_-

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09:24 <shevy> :(

09:24 <shevy> ruby only solutions!

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09:24 <workmad3> mikecmpbll: your ruby and your curl are using different CA stores?

09:24 <shevy> california stores

09:24 <mikecmpbll> no clue. i know so little about SSL it's unbelievable.

09:24 <mikecmpbll> i did the oft-suggested RVM certifcate refresh thing

09:24 <mikecmpbll> to no avail.

09:25 <workmad3> mikecmpbll: certificate verify failed == the certificate couldn't be traced back to a trusted root certificate

09:25 <mikecmpbll> hmpf. k

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09:25 <workmad3> mikecmpbll: if it worked with curl (and you didn't use the -k option for insecure) then the problem is that curl and ruby have different collections of trusted root certificates

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09:26 <workmad3> mikecmpbll: at least, assuming you've left the SSL setup alone in your app anyway :) if you've messed around with it, then it could be something else

09:26 <mikecmpbll> not touched anything SSL related

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09:27 <mikecmpbll> i'll debug on that basis, cheers!

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09:30 <workmad3> mikecmpbll: take a look at OpenSSL::X509::DEFAULT_CERT_FILE and OpenSSL::X509::DEFAULT_CERT_DIR in your ruby

09:31 <workmad3> mikecmpbll: also, http://mislav.uniqpath.com/2013/07/ruby-openssl/ has more info, and a doctor script at the end

09:32 <mikecmpbll> interestingly returns different cert paths from that which RVM updated, which explains why that didn't do anything, i guess.

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09:59 <mikecmpbll> eafegagearaew.

09:59 <mikecmpbll> it actually works fine with https://github.com

09:59 <mikecmpbll> just not the endpoint i was trying.

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10:00 <workmad3> mikecmpbll: did you try the ssl tools linked to in that mislav article?

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10:01 <mikecmpbll> not yet, i tried running the doctor script but that errored with EOFError which seemed like a red herring

10:01 <mikecmpbll> reading more now (y)

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10:16 <mikecmpbll> it's literally just this host, everthing else works -_-

10:17 <mikecmpbll> but i can use curl on it fine

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10:25 <workmad3> mikecmpbll: care to gist a run of 'curl -v <host>'?

10:25 <workmad3> mikecmpbll: might be able to spot something

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10:28 <mikecmpbll> workmad3: certainly! https://gist.github.com/mikecmpbll/d231524a1fab5d4199a0

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10:31 <workmad3> mikecmpbll: hmm... so using that doctor script with system ruby verifies it, but with my ruby-install 2.1, it fails...

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10:31 <workmad3> mikecmpbll: any idea if the cert on that server is older than the heartbeat bug? could be that the rapidssl root or intermediate cert was rolled

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10:32 <mikecmpbll> not sure

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10:41 <mikecmpbll> workmad3: i get "The server presented a certificate that could not be verified:" with the doctor script.

10:41 <mikecmpbll> error code 20: unable to get local issuer certificate

10:42 <workmad3> mikecmpbll: aha... your server isn't serving the intermediate RapidSSL certificate

10:42 <workmad3> mikecmpbll: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=old-trafford.uk.arbor.sc&s=54.76.63.212&hideResults=on

10:43 <mikecmpbll>

10:43 <workmad3> mikecmpbll: so most likely, your ruby store only has the geotrust cert

10:43 <mikecmpbll> gotcha. wonder why it works for curl

10:43 <workmad3> mikecmpbll: the os x store has the intermediate store (I'm guessing you're on a mac? :) )

10:44 <mikecmpbll> yes i am

10:44 <workmad3> *intermediate cert

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10:45 <workmad3> hence it works with stuff that uses the system SSL (system ruby, curl, etc) but something that uses a more modern openssl (e.g. ruby 2.1) with a ca bundle that doesn't include intermediate certs, you get a verification error

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10:46 <mikecmpbll> ahh.. is that normal behaviour, not to send intermediate certs?

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10:46 <workmad3> it's recommended to send intermediate certs but not the root cert

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10:47 <workmad3> but the 'normal behaviour' is to just send the cert file that's been given to nginx :)

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10:48 <workmad3> you just need to concat the intermediate cert to the end of the server cert though

10:48 <mikecmpbll> right. damn them. so I should use my system cert store?

10:48 <mikecmpbll> right okay

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10:49 <workmad3> do you have the ability to change the server config? :)

10:49 <mikecmpbll> this is a third party api btw,

10:49 <mikecmpbll> nope.

10:49 <workmad3> ah, bugger

10:49 <workmad3> I'd suggest adding the intermediate cert to your cert store then

10:49 <mikecmpbll> but i'll certainly let them know :D not letting half a day of achieving nothing go without atleast a snarky email.

10:49 <workmad3> heh

10:50 <workmad3> point them to that ssl labs test ;)

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10:52 <mikecmpbll> will do! i appreciate the help as always ❤️

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11:04 <shevy> hmm

11:04 <shevy> Object.send :include, Exams

11:04 <shevy> I wonder why I have this

11:05 <shevy> is this what autoload() does?

11:05 <workmad3> not quite

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11:05 <workmad3> autoload will delay loading code until Exams is accessed

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11:06 <shevy> huh

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11:42 <derek> Hi

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11:44 <derek> I'm new in ruby and I have a problem with my code :<

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11:44 <derek> https://gist.github.com/wolfedale/8c16bbe4975e9e079464

11:45 <derek> I'm trying to not execute that, when It's already executed (when there is already the pid).

11:45 <derek> And I have no idea how I can do this :(

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11:47 <robscormack> derek, why not writing a pidfile if there is not one?

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11:48 <derek> robscormack: but writing where?

11:48 <robscormack> if the pidfile exists then your code is exec'ing. once you exit, you delete the pid file

11:48 <robscormack> r u on mac or linux?

11:48 <robscormack> or win?

11:48 <derek> you mean in the local drive?

11:48 <robscormack> yes sir

11:48 <robscormack> pidfiles are often found in /var/pid

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11:49 <derek> I thought that there is a "more" ruby way to do this than just create a file

11:49 <robscormack> or /var/run

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11:49 <robscormack> Derek, even Apache does that

11:49 <robscormack> and MySQL

11:50 <apeiros> derek: that's a problem outside the domain of a programming language

11:50 <apeiros> that's an OS level issue

11:50 <apeiros> and sadly, todays OSes still suck in that regard. so pidfile it usually is.

11:50 <robscormack> since there is no reliable way to check if the program is being executed twice

11:50 <derek> hmm, ok :-)

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11:51 <derek> pidfile seems resonable and more easy I guess.

11:51 <derek> :)

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11:51 <robscormack> it is

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13:05 <Hanmac> charliesome: did you fixed the problem with requireing C-compiled std stuff like "bigdecimal"?

13:05 <charliesome> Hanmac: yup

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13:05 <charliesome> Hanmac: also, I was meaning to bring this up with you

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13:06 <charliesome> I have the official bot back up and running, do you mind if we switch over to that?

13:06 <Hanmac> i dont have control over bots ask Mon_Ouie

13:06 <apeiros> charliesome: I don't mind. coordinate it with Mon_Ouie? The bot is at least in #ruby, #ruby-lang and ##new2ruby

13:06 <charliesome> oh whoops

13:06 <charliesome> i got confused

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13:07 <apeiros> ^^

13:07 <charliesome> never mind me!

13:07 * apeiros never minds thee

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13:08 <Hanmac> but it should also work with the unoffical bot too

13:08 <Hanmac> >> require "bigdecimal"; BigDecimal.new("10e5")

13:08 <Mon_Robot> Hanmac: => #<BigDecimal:40872cfc,'0.1E7',9(18)> (https://eval.in/173705)

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13:09 * apeiros just registered "officialbot" :D

13:10 <Hanmac> xD

13:10 <Mon_Ouie> charliesome: I can stop Mon_Robot whenever you can start yours

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13:11 <apeiros> that will let me repurpose that DO instance to test server setup, deployment & maintenance :)

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13:11 <charliesome> Mon_Ouie: cool, thanks for running it in the interim :)

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13:12 <charliesome> Mon_Ouie: ^

13:12 <charliesome> >> "te" + "st"

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13:12 <eval-in> charliesome => "test" (https://eval.in/173709)

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13:13 <apeiros> >> puts "da bomb!" while sleep(0.01)

13:13 <eval-in> apeiros => (https://eval.in/173710)

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13:13 <charliesome> apeiros: that's weird

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13:14 <txdv> >> sleep 1000

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13:14 <txdv> >> puts 2

13:14 <apeiros> what did I do? now everybody will try :-(

13:14 <eval-in> txdv => 2 ... (https://eval.in/173711)

13:14 <txdv> >> sleep 1000

13:14 <eval-in> txdv => (https://eval.in/173712)

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13:14 <apeiros> so

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13:14 <apeiros> justice :)

13:14 <txdv> was funny to watch kicking yourself

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13:15 <txdv> you brought the wrath of zeus on this channel

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13:15 <charliesome> o:

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13:17 <apeiros> well, there's no other op to kick me :(

13:17 <apeiros> now I have to go into my pm and shout foul and how I'm a powertripping tyrant. brb.

13:17 <apeiros> shitsplit

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13:18 <apeiros> srsly, irc is such a b0rked protocoll…

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13:18 <charliesome> irc makes a lot more sense when you consider geographically-focused channels

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13:18 <charliesome> but otherwise not a whole lot of sense

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13:19 <mikecmpbll> workmad3_: FYI got it working on my app server (ubuntu) by adding CA cert to cert dir. can't get it working on osx for the life of me. /shrugs

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13:19 <centrx> It's all on the same planet

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13:20 <aedorn> IRC is allowed to be broken, since it's really the only thing around for mass groups of people to chat together in real(ish) time over the internet.

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14:00 <fmcgeough> I’m using Ruby 1.9.2 as a scripting language to generate some reports where I have to interact with a few datasources. I would like to get date-time returned to me by one datasource into a different timezone. The data coming in is in Pacific Time. I’d like to convert it to EDT. It appears this is straightforward if the machine itself is in EDT. I just do : t = Time.parse("2014-07-30T23:40:06-0700”) and Time very nicely returns 2014-07-31 02:40:06 -04

14:00 <fmcgeough> But what do I do if the machine isn’t in EDT? What I want is to tell Time.parse to convert the data based on a particular timezone.

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14:10 <LeShadow> I’ve got a simple question, if I put a value with a symbol like this: set :baseline, "basestuff"

14:10 <LeShadow> how can I read that value from the symbol again?

14:11 <Mon_Ouie> There's no "set" method ruby in Ruby

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14:13 <ruisantos> LeShadow: perhaps it would be best to ask that over at rubyonrails

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14:15 <mikecmpbll> ruisantos: why?

14:16 <ruisantos> mikecmpbll: maybe he's exactly where he should be, but probably asking the wrong question. LeShadow can you elaborate?

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14:16 <mikecmpbll> :)

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14:20 <LeShadow> ruisantos: it has to do with capistrano, the set function is from capistrano >.<

14:20 <LeShadow> so maybe I am in the wrong channel

14:20 <ruisantos> LeShadow: oh yes

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14:21 <W0rmDr1nk> hi

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14:22 <W0rmDr1nk> In C/C++ I can make a macro SHOW( X ) that writes "X = value of X" to say stderr

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14:22 <W0rmDr1nk> can I do this in ruby ?

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14:22 <W0rmDr1nk> I have done a hack for this in python - but it was nasty (read source file that was running and got the line number and printed that)

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14:23 <W0rmDr1nk> hmm nvm - can

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14:23 <ruisantos> LeShadow: try using it as a method, that is, baseline

14:24 <LeShadow> okay

14:24 <LeShadow> thanks for the tip

14:24 <Hanmac> W0rmDr1nk: for sample the #display method might be interesting, but how did you solv it?

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14:24 <W0rmDr1nk> Hanmac, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2603617/ruby-print-the-variable-name-and-then-its-value

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14:25 <Hanmac> i-git eval ... imo it might be more save ways to do that

14:26 <canton7> heh, that's horrible

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14:28 <W0rmDr1nk> Hanmac, display only gets you the value - not the name

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14:30 <Hanmac> >> def show(name,&block);"#{name} = #{block.binding.local_variable_get(name)}";end; y = 6; show(:y) {}

14:30 <eval-in> Hanmac => "y = 6" (https://eval.in/173731)

14:30 <Mon_Robot_> Hanmac: => "y = 6" (https://eval.in/173732)

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14:30 <Hanmac> Mon_Ouie: i think there is an echo

14:31 <W0rmDr1nk> Hanmac, cool

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14:32 <W0rmDr1nk> Hanmac, that is actually awesome

14:33 <momomomomo> there are lots of little methods that allow you to do things like that W0rmDr1nk

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14:35 <Mon_Ouie> Ah,I see :p

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14:35 <Mon_Ouie> >> 3

14:35 <eval-in> Mon_Ouie => 3 (https://eval.in/173733)

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14:38 <Mon_Ouie> I'd just do it like binding.show(:x) to avoid the weird block

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14:42 <Telmo> morning, I am having a weird issue with rspec 3.0.3 I am sure it is something stupid in my part. but when I do "expect (JSON.safe_parse(@bad_json)).to be_nil" I get a "undefined method `to' for nil:NilClass" . I've asked in the #rspec channel but I am afraid they are all idle sessions

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14:45 <LeShadow> is there anyone inhere with capistrano knowledge? because they don’t seem to answer in their channel >.<

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14:46 <pontiki> Telmo: it's the space after expect

14:46 <pontiki> LeShadow: 2 or 3?

14:46 <Telmo> pontiki: excellent thanks!

14:46 <LeShadow> 2

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14:47 <ruisantos> LeShadow: I've used it, but don't know much

14:47 <pontiki> ask away

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14:47 <pontiki> (no promises, tho)

14:47 <mikecmpbll> go for it.

14:47 <ruisantos> LeShadow: didn't the baseline thing work?

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14:48 <LeShadow> pontiki well, let me first say i’m trying to edit a script that my collegue made. It’s an extension for capistrano, specifically for deploying drupal websites (didi)

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14:48 <LeShadow> ruisantos: I found out how to get the values but this is a different question

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14:48 <LeShadow> now I want to read the configuration values from a deploy configuration file (not the Capfile but you know, the file(s) in the config directory)

14:48 <LeShadow> when do they get loaded?

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14:49 <LeShadow> that’s my actual question, because if I try to read them before the line “namespace “deploy” “ then they seem to be empty

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14:49 <Hanmac> Mon_Ouie & W0rmDr1nk

14:49 <Hanmac> >> class Binding; def show(name); "#{name} = #{local_variable_get(name)}"; end;end; y = 6; binding.show(:y)

14:49 <eval-in> Hanmac => "y = 6" (https://eval.in/173741)

14:49 <W0rmDr1nk> Hanmac, ?

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14:50 <W0rmDr1nk> I see cool

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14:52 <ruisantos> LeShadow: are you using ext/multistage?

14:52 <LeShadow> yes ruisantos

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14:53 <ruisantos> LeShadow: did you set the stages? (set :stages, [..])

14:53 <LeShadow> I did, only well, I can’t seem to read out those values for some reason

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14:53 <momomomomo> argh I got interupted but

14:54 <momomomomo> >> class Testing; def initialize; @test_var = "hello world"; end; def print_vars; self.instance_variables.each { |v| puts "#{v} is #{self.instance_variable_get(v)}" }; end; end; x = Testing.new && x.print_vars

14:54 <eval-in> momomomomo => undefined method `print_vars' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/173743)

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14:54 <momomomomo> wack

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14:54 <pontiki> LeShadow: could you paste up the files?

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14:55 <ruisantos> LeShadow: are you setting your stage configuration in deploy/stage_name.rb ?

14:55 <ruisantos> yes, that would be easier

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14:56 <LeShadow> yes ruisantos I did. the thing is, the extension I have to fix (redoing a little bit so it works on ruby 2.0) extends capistrano specifically for drupal. And I don’t know when it can read the values of capistrano configuraiton

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14:56 <LeShadow> *configuration

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14:56 <LeShadow> https://github.com/LeShadow/didi/blob/master/lib/didi/recipes/didi.rb

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15:01 <ruisantos> LeShadow: capistrano uses method_missing to see if there's a key with the same name on its configuration hash. If there is, it fetches it

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15:01 <ruisantos> you can't access the values you've set?

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15:03 <FloLeBlanc> hi all

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15:43 <FloLeBlanc> hi all - anyone who could help me out with a ruby -> vagrant question by chance?

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15:45 <apeiros> FloLeBlanc: not me. but chances are, you'll never know until you actually ask.

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15:46 <FloLeBlanc> I'm trying to use vagrant on windows 8.1 and what seem to be quite similar systems (laptop and main machine) - on the main machine I get the error "cannot load such file -- ffi_c" when trying "vagrant up" - a search suggested to use an "older version of ffi" - but those don't install (error abort) and I have the same ffi version on the laptop where it does work

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15:48 <FloLeBlanc> brb

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16:30 <pskrz> i can't find any docs on keyword arguments or named parameters in ruby 2.1, could someone please point me in the right direction

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16:35 <ptrrr> is there an Enumerable#any? but which returns the value from the block?

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16:35 <ptrrr> [1, 2, 3].XXX { |x| x * 2 } # => 2

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16:39 <ruisantos> ptrrr: you could try group_by

16:39 <Mon_Ouie> ptrrr: #find

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16:39 <ptrrr> Mon_Ouie: find returns the element

16:39 <Mon_Ouie> Oh, wait, no, it returns the elemnt

16:39 <ptrrr> kye

16:39 <ruisantos> you'd get a hash. Each key would be the result

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16:40 <Mon_Ouie> Right. Yeah, there isn't. Feel free to write it though.

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16:40 <ruisantos> why not group_by?

16:40 <Mon_Ouie> Using #lazy you can do lazy.map(&block).find { |x| x }

16:40 <ptrrr> it goes over all the elements

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16:42 <ptrrr> Mon_Ouie: oui, I need to check out #lazy

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16:43 <ptrrr> then I could just do map(…).compact.first

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16:44 <apeiros> that'd defeat the point of .lazy

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16:44 <ptrrr> compact won’t work with lazy?

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16:45 <apeiros> I doubt it. you can check whether it's adapted

16:45 <Mon_Ouie> There's no Enumerable#compact, it would crash

16:45 <ptrrr> oh no

16:45 <ptrrr> oh well

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16:45 <Mon_Ouie> You'd have to write it in term of select

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16:46 <Mon_Ouie> But #find as I wrote above should work, shouldn't it?

16:46 <Mon_Ouie> >> [1, 2, 3].lazy.map { |x| x*2 }.find { |x| x }

16:46 <eval-in> Mon_Ouie => 2 (https://eval.in/173754)

16:46 <ptrrr> I think so

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16:46 <apeiros> fuck flash. seriously :( stream in adobe flash gets stuck every couple of seconds requiring a reload. and in chrome it uses ~10x as much resources -> hot, loud, bad for battery

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16:47 <apeiros> module Enumerable; def blubber; each do |*args| result = yield(*args); return result if result end; nil; end; end

16:47 <jhass> apeiros: get the URL of the underlying .mp4 or .flv and vlc it ;P

16:47 <apeiros> no idea what you'd call blubber

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16:47 <Xeago> apeiros: what are you watching?

16:47 <shevy> blubber

16:47 <apeiros> http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en

16:47 <ptrrr> >> [1, 2, 3].lazy.map { |x| x > 1 && x*2 || nil }.find { |x| x }

16:47 <eval-in> ptrrr => 4 (https://eval.in/173755)

16:47 <apeiros> @ Xeago

16:47 <Mon_Ouie> Yeah, I always use youtube-dl for videos instead of watching them in my browser

16:48 <ptrrr> Mon_Ouie: yep. pretty sweet, thanks

16:48 <shevy> that's written in python!

16:48 <Xeago> apeiros: is it originating from twitch?

16:48 <apeiros> Xeago: yupp

16:48 <Xeago> try twitch.tv/broadcaster/hls

16:48 <Xeago> probably in safari

16:48 <apeiros> "This channel was not found"

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16:48 <Xeago> fill in the broadcaster…

16:49 <Xeago> sec

16:49 <Xeago> http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_europe2/hls

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16:49 <apeiros> ah, lol, ok

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16:49 <apeiros> didn't get that :)

16:50 <Xeago> http://usher.justin.tv/api/channel/hls/wcs_europe2.m3u8?token=%7B%22user_id%22:null,%22channel%22:%22wcs_europe2%22,%22expires%22:1406826564,%22chansub%22:%7B%22view_until%22:1924905600,%22restricted_bitrates%22:%5B%5D%7D,%22private%22:%7B%22allowed_to_view%22:true%7D,%22privileged%22:false%7D&sig=9b20b1e11f09da7e624e8f9135cf3e1d388555b9&allow_source=true

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16:50 <apeiros> how did you get at that?

16:50 <Xeago> view source :)

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16:50 <patchwork> Hmm... trying to use perftools-profiler and getting this error: http://pastebin.com/4H3UJ5y1

16:50 <Xeago> cat /Users/apeiros/Downloads/wcs_europe2.m3u8 | grep chunked | tail -n 1

16:51 <Xeago> then open that in vlc for example

16:51 <patchwork> It seems it is happening inside the perftools ruby file

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16:51 <patchwork> Anyone seen this before?

16:51 <Xeago> or actually, you can just open the initial m3u8 somewhere and select the proper stream

16:51 <apeiros> Xeago: interesting. I'll try to keep that in mind. I'll probably just prod you again, though, as I'm rather tired atm :)

16:51 <patchwork> Why would utf8 be an "unknown encoding"?

16:51 <apeiros> Xeago: thanks!

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16:52 <Xeago> this has been making my twitch streaming bearable!

16:52 <Xeago> and works on any platform basically

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16:52 <ptrrr> patchwork: shouldn’t it be “utf-8"?

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16:53 <ptrrr> >> IO.pipe(“utf8”)

16:53 <eval-in> ptrrr => undefined local variable or method `“utf8”' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/173756)

16:53 <Xeago> apeiros: basically I view the source on the /wcs_europ2/hls page, take the video src url, append &allow_source=true, and download that

16:53 <patchwork> ptrrr: potentially, I'm not sure where to change it though. I am not requesting an encoding, just following these instructions: https://github.com/bhb/rack-perftools_profiler

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16:57 <patrick99e99> hi ruby buddies... just curious, is there a fancy way to scope a method to a module? meaning, say I have class Foo; OMG='omg'; LOL='lol'; end; .... and then I have another class make use of those constants: class Bar; def rofl; Foo::OMG + Foo::LOL; end;

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16:57 <patrick99e99> is there a way I could make the rofl method automagically scoped to Foo, so that I could just do OMG + LOL ?

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16:58 <patrick99e99> I suppose i could do Foo.class_eval right ?

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16:58 <Mon_Ouie> You could nest it inside Bar inside Foo and define it as class ::Bar (to still define it as a toplevel constant)

16:59 <pangur> I have a file that has classes at the top and the main body of the script at the bottom. It works. I tried copying and pasting the classes into a file of their own, called people.rb. However, when I say require 'people', it throws up its hands in horror. What am I doing wrong, please?

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16:59 <apeiros> patrick99e99: afaik there are no constant lookup altering evals available in ruby

16:59 <apeiros> patrick99e99: you could (ab)use const_missing and redirect the lookup

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17:00 <Mon_Ouie> pangur: You haven't set up the LOAD_PATH properly

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17:00 <AlexRussia> someone know how to generate random hash?

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17:00 <apeiros> AlexRussia: look at SecureRandom

17:00 <Mon_Ouie> $LOAD_PATH needs to contain the directories you're requiring code from

17:00 <AlexRussia> apeiros: its part of standard library?

17:00 <apeiros> AlexRussia: as of 1.9, yes

17:00 * pangur asks Mon_Ouie where and how to do that?

17:01 * pangur is using LinuxMint

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17:01 <apeiros> pangur: `ruby -Ipath/to/add` for example. otherwise in the executable.

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17:01 <apeiros> note, that's an uppercase i, not a lowercase L (and if you can't see that, use a proper font :-p)

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17:01 <pangur> Thanks, apeiros :)

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17:02 <Mon_Ouie> >> Α = 3; A = 4; [Α, A]

17:02 <eval-in> Mon_Ouie => [3, 4] (https://eval.in/173757)

17:02 <pangur> My "I"s have serifs at the top and bottom, apeiros :)

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17:03 <apeiros> Mon_Ouie: unpack "U*" reveals your dirty little secret :)

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17:09 <popo> hi

17:09 <popo> whats the best forum software written in ruby

17:09 <popo> i just want something really simple

17:09 <popo> something i can theme easily

17:09 <popo> nothing fancy

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17:10 <Skipp_OSX> hello, does anybody know of a ruby gem to parse .qbo (quickbooks) files?

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17:12 <Cages> Hi

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17:12 <Cages> Anyone here in China?

17:12 <Skipp_OSX> isn't it like 1AM on the east coast of China right now?

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17:15 <pangur> I have opted for require_relative.

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17:16 <shevy> ack

17:16 <apeiros> by now I'm convinced that rubys require system is too complex.

17:16 <apeiros> people resort to bad solutions.

17:16 <shevy> require() works!

17:16 <shevy> I miss python import functionality to rename stuff that gets included

17:17 <shevy> import foo as bla

17:17 <apeiros> I find that far from the optimal solution too

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17:17 <apeiros> but I haven't used python much, so I might not properly understand how it works. i.e. ignore what I said :)

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17:17 <pangur> Is require() better, shevy?

17:18 <shevy> pangur it's shorter

17:18 <pangur> :)

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17:18 <shevy> and you don't need require_relative() if you write in a gem-like fashion

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17:18 <shevy> so like: require 'name_of_your_gem'

17:18 <popo> anyone? can you hear me?

17:18 <apeiros> pangur: tell me, when require e.g. csv, do you use any of `require_relative 'csv'` or `require '/absolute/path/to/csv'`? if not, why not?

17:18 <shevy> this will go to the ruby site directory, find the file name_of_your_gem.rb and then load up the other files that should be part of your gem

17:19 <shevy> (defined inside that .rb file)

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17:21 <pangur> I tried writing require 'people', which file was in the same directory as my proggie. It protested. I tried require "./people": that was OK. I tried require_relative "people" because it seemed the least exacting thing to do.

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17:21 <shevy> hehe

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17:21 <apeiros> require './people' is even worse than require_relative.

17:21 <apeiros> do. not. ever. depend on the current working directory when requiring.

17:22 <Tricon> ^ Truth.

17:22 <apeiros> if you do it, and your app works when you run it as bin/foo.rb, it'll stop working when you do cd bin; ruby foo.rb

17:22 <pangur> Would it be better practice to have classes in a different directory from the current one?

17:22 <shevy> that is irrelevant really

17:22 <pangur> ok

17:22 <shevy> layout your stuff in a gem like fashion

17:22 <apeiros> pangur: best practice is to use gem project layout and set up $LOAD_PATH properly if you use it without installing it as a gem

17:23 <pontiki> maybe someone should write a tutorial about ruby's require subsystem...

17:23 <shevy> you can install via gem, or via setup.rb

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17:23 <apeiros> pontiki: I'm always torn between writing how to use ruby properly and just continuing work on my own language :)

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17:24 <pangur> so, this $LOAD_PATH thing is found in setup.rb or by installing a gem. Which gem, please?

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17:24 <wallerdev> hi

17:24 <pontiki> apeiros: write the tutorial, free up time to work on own language :)

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17:26 <shevy> you have too many things to work on apeiros

17:26 <shevy> didn't you also start with a game too

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17:27 <pontiki> i'd rather have too many projects going than not enough to keep me from being bored

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17:27 <apeiros> pangur: for an installed gem, rubygems will set up $LOAD_PATH

17:28 <apeiros> pangur: for everything else, the application is responsible for setting it up.

17:28 <Hanmac> i am still secure when i use require_relative for all internal stuff and require for external stuff

17:28 <apeiros> the application being the thing the user executes, which usually is in the bin dir

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17:28 <apeiros> Hanmac: it's still bad coupling

17:29 <ELFrederich> hey guys... trying to get email working in GitLab. Don't know what all the options are for config.action_mailer.smtp_settings

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17:29 <ELFrederich> I have the name of a host inside my network that runs on port 25 that will mail things... no authentication. Do I don't know what to put for the authentication method

17:29 <apeiros> Hanmac: consider the question I asked pangur before: tell me, when you require e.g. csv, do you use any of `require_relative 'csv'` or `require '/absolute/path/to/csv'`? if not, why not?

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17:30 <shevy> I use require 'csv'

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17:30 <Hanmac> apeiros: depending if i want to require one of my files, then i use require_relative 'csv', if i use a gem or the stdlib stuff i use require 'csv' like shevy

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17:30 <apeiros> shevy: which would lead to "why not?"

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17:31 <Hanmac> shevy beware!! i am doing driving lessons ;P

17:31 <apeiros> Hanmac: so then answer the question why you don't require_relative or require absolute_path that

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17:32 <Hanmac> oO but i DO require_relative that ...

17:32 <shevy> apeiros why not require_relatve? because it is too long. and why not require '/'? because I don't need to leading '/'

17:32 <apeiros> Hanmac: no, you said "if i use a gem or the stdlib stuff i use require 'csv'"

17:32 <shevy> I even typoed - that is another reason not to use require_reltavie

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17:33 <shevy> actually, the worst type is this:

17:33 <shevy> def intialize

17:33 <shevy> *typo

17:33 <shevy> :(

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17:33 <shevy> today I can't write correctly

17:33 <shevy> right apieros?

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17:34 <Hanmac> i also do it for possible parser ... if using your schemata how can it detect if a require does use external and not internal stuff? your system is far more complicated ...

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17:34 <apeiros> parser cares literally not at all about that

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17:35 <pontiki> i was just thumbing through the tut section in PR 1.9-2.0 and it is littered with require_relative

17:35 <shevy> what is PR?

17:35 <apeiros> and I'd argue that a single system is less complicated than using 3 different systems for different use-cases, including the one claimed to be "more complicated".

17:35 <pontiki> Programming Ruby

17:35 <shevy> we need a new require way

17:36 <shevy> to solve the older ways

17:36 <pontiki> i don't think so

17:36 <shevy> pontiki is serious cat

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17:36 <pontiki> even though the language supplies several, i think that the gem way actually unifies thing pretty well

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17:37 <pontiki> it gives a nice framework to start out organizing your work

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17:45 <shevy> how about bundler pontiki

17:45 <apeiros> pontiki: agreed

17:46 <apeiros> pontiki: btw., this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Princess_Bride

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17:48 <Xeago> apeiros: can you explain >> Α = 3; A = 4; [Α, A] to me ?

17:48 <apeiros> Xeago: similar looking, but different characters

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17:48 <apeiros> probably an A character from a different script.

17:49 <apeiros> >> "\u0391"

17:49 <eval-in> apeiros => "Α" (https://eval.in/173788)

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17:50 <apeiros> >> "\u0391 != \u0041"

17:50 <eval-in> apeiros => "Α != A" (https://eval.in/173793)

17:50 <pontiki> apeiros: yes, that one :>

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17:52 <pontiki> shevy: what about bundler?

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17:53 <RichardLitt> Got a small performance question

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17:54 <RichardLitt> is it wrong to have two queries in one line, like here? https://gist.github.com/RichardLitt/0866a8cc6f4d9bc7fc33

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17:54 <apeiros> RichardLitt: it's not "wrong". but not optimal.

17:55 <apeiros> a) it's hard to read and b) you could probably do it in a single query

17:55 <apeiros> and you don't have two queries. you have N+1

17:55 <RichardLitt> hmm

17:55 <RichardLitt> Do you have any suggestions? New to Ruby, not sure about this

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17:55 <apeiros> since this is active record, I'd ask over in #rubyonrails

17:55 <RichardLitt> Ok, cool

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17:56 <RichardLitt> thanks

17:56 <RichardLitt> whoa, how do I identify with servies on here?

17:56 <pontiki> RichardLitt: /msg nickserv help

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18:01 <RichardLitt> pontiki: thanks

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18:05 <Mon_Ouie> Xeago: For the record, the first one is a capital alpha, the second one is a regular A ;)

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18:07 <RichardLitt> apeiros: doesn’t seem as active a channel :(

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18:07 <apeiros> I guess everybody is busy preparing for the swiss national day ;-)

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18:09 <sjouke> does it make sense to write a test to verify that a model has certain attributes when it's generated?

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18:09 <sjouke> s/generated/instantiated

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18:10 <RichardLitt> swiss holiday?

18:10 <RichardLitt> Oh yeah! I heard about that. … is ruby based in Switzerland? What? lol

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18:10 <apeiros> no, but swiss national day is so important, it causes people to lay down work world wide in preparation of it

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18:11 <RichardLitt> true.

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18:13 <certainty> evening folks

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18:14 <certainty> apeiros: i saw you tweeting about .netrc yesterday. Is it the same .netrc that ftp used to use? And if yes, what is it good for these days?

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18:14 <apeiros> certainty: keychain replacement for non-osx users

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18:15 <apeiros> I only came into contact with it because a coworker uses windows and it was the only way we found he didn't have to type username/pw all the time for github

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18:18 <certainty> apeiros: i see. nothing too useful for me then :) doesn't windows support ssh via public key?

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18:21 <apeiros> certainty: either it doesn't or we didn't get it to work. I try not to touch windows.

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18:25 <certainty> apeiros: smart move

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18:25 <apeiros> certainty: I value my sanity. I'm just not sure I still have any :)

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18:27 <shevy> pontiki you said that gem gives a nice framework to start out

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18:27 <shevy> pontiki do you use bundler?

18:27 <certainty> apeiros: i'm sure you do xD

18:28 <pontiki> i do, she

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18:28 <pontiki> shevy*

18:28 <pontiki> bundle gem NAME is how i start off most things

18:28 <pontiki> non-rails anyway

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18:29 <certainty> btw. does anybody in here have some deeper experiences with a microservice architecture? We're facing considerable operations overhead and only started out with a few services. The idea is appealing but the development/testing/qa effort seems to be higher than we anticipated. We did expect some overhead, but not that much.

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18:30 <ELFrederich> I need help testing ruby/rails ActionMailer. I know almost nothing about Ruby. I'm trying to run GitLab inside of Docker and I can't seem to get the configuration of SMTP correct. I'd like to test with a simple script, something I can run over and over again while I change the settings

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18:44 <dukedave> Can anyone think of a case where a class wouldn't inherit its super class's initialize?

18:44 <ELFrederich> how can I run this? http://hastebin.com/oraqiholig.coffee

18:44 <ELFrederich> /usr/lib/ruby/2.1.0/rubygems/core_ext/kernel_require.rb:55:in `require': cannot load such file -- action_mailer (LoadError)

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18:44 <dukedave> (I have this, and it's manifesting itself as a "wrong number of arguments(1 for 0)" when .new'ing the sub class)

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18:45 <dukedave> ELFrederich: well, you probably want .rb as the extension :)

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18:45 <ELFrederich> dukedave, I have it... it is ~/test.rb

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18:45 <shevy> does one of you happen to know

18:45 <shevy> if I display something in a ruby .cgi script

18:45 <shevy> and then use sleep 5

18:45 <shevy> and then want to display something else

18:45 <shevy> will it wait those 5 seconds?

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18:46 <dukedave> ELFrederich: can you require other gems?

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18:47 <pontiki> it should, shevy

18:47 <shevy> \o/

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18:48 <ELFrederich> dukedave, I've never ran something like this from the command line. I don't know ruby at all... I'm trying to debug an smtp problem I'm having with a GitLab Docker container. I want to see if I can simply send an email from Ruby

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18:50 <dukedave> ELFrederich: ah, okay, erm, can you try: '$ gem list actionmailer', in the dir where the .rb file lives (and as the same user)

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18:52 <ELFrederich> dukedave, doesn't seem to report anything back

18:52 <pontiki> can you send an email from the command line? (no ruby)

18:52 <ELFrederich> just "\n*** LOCAL GEMS ***\n\n\n"

18:52 <ELFrederich> pontiki, yes... using "telnet my-server smtp"

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18:53 <ELFrederich> pontiki, I have successfully sent email from the Docker container using telnet. I just can't seem to get it to work in GitLab. So now I want to try a minimalist Ruby script

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18:53 <dukedave> ELFrederich: okay, so there's you problem, there *should* be a file called 'Gemfile', you'll need to 'bundle install actionmailer'

18:53 <pontiki> don't use actionmailer -- that gets invovled with rails and so on

18:53 <pontiki> try just the mail gem

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18:53 <dukedave> Erk, sorry, 'gem install actionmailer'

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18:54 <ELFrederich> pontiki, well.. I'd like to use actionmailer since that is what GitLab is supposidly using

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18:54 <pontiki> you can get there, but it seems like you'd want to go in stages, no?

18:54 <pontiki> maybe not

18:54 <ELFrederich> there is this directory .... /home/git/gitlab/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.1.0/gems/actionmailer-4.1.1/lib/action_mailer

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18:55 <ELFrederich> can I just set some kind of path to get this working?

18:55 <certainty> also actionmailer uses mail internally afair, so going with pontiki's advice sounds about right

18:55 <pontiki> is the problem that you haven't got gitlab set up and configured correctly?

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18:56 * dukedave hasn't used gitlab

18:56 <pontiki> neither have i

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18:57 <ELFrederich> Ultimately I need to use actionmailer because I'm not going to re-write GitLab to use something else... I just need a scrip that I can quickly experiment with different settings

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19:13 <shevy> http://blog.circleci.com/critiquing-facebooks-new-php-spec/

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19:13 <shevy> this guy wrote his PhD about php

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19:15 <ptrrr> a php-phd?!

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19:17 <shevy> yes

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19:19 <arup_r> Hoa can I change :integer to Integer ?

19:20 <pontiki> php phd pfft

19:20 <ptrrr> arup_r: eval((:integer).to_s.capitalize)

19:20 <ptrrr> :D

19:21 <arup_r> No.. Don't kill me Please

19:21 <arup_r> ;)

19:21 <pontiki> with .constantize

19:21 <havenwood> >> Module.const_get(:integer.capitalize)

19:21 <eval-in> havenwood => Integer (https://eval.in/173932)

19:22 <havenwood> arup_r: ^

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19:22 <mechanicalduck_> Can I also ask ruby-windows related questions here?

19:22 <havenwood> mechanicalduck_: yup

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19:24 <arup_r> Any idea how can I clean this 1.is_a? User.columns_hash["id"].type

19:24 <arup_r> this is not working

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19:24 <arup_r> as #type is giving :integer

19:25 <arup_r> I want Integer

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19:25 <havenwood> >> 1.class

19:25 <eval-in> havenwood => Fixnum (https://eval.in/173933)

19:25 <havenwood> deja vu

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19:26 <arup_r> I am using is_a?

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19:26 <arup_r> I know that too

19:27 <havenwood> arup_r: 1.is_a? Module.const_get(User.columns_hash["id"].type.capitalize)

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19:27 <havenwood> arup_r: i just said above :P

19:27 <arup_r> But the think is how can I elegantly do this

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19:27 <arup_r> That's too much code ;)

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19:28 <havenwood> arup_r: Well, I can't account for the: User.columns_hash["id"].type

19:28 <havenwood> arup_r: why 1.class?

19:28 <havenwood> arup_r: Why not just use `Integer`?

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19:29 <havenwood> arup_r: you can drop `capitalize` if you have the symbol be capitalized to start with: Module.const_get :Integer #=> Integer

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19:29 <arup_r> Humm

19:29 <havenwood> arup_r: But extract method rather than complaining about code size. :P

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19:29 <havenwood> arup_r: Or simplify your design.

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19:29 <arup_r> My design is worst you know .. better ;)

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19:30 <arup_r> Where is shevy ? Why did he leave this channel ? :(

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19:31 <havenwood> arup_r: Integer == Module.const_get(:Integer)

19:31 <havenwood> arup_r: Why are you type checking?

19:32 <arup_r> I will use case when Damn I forgot it..

19:32 <arup_r> thanks

19:32 <arup_r> I forgot I am in *duck* language

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19:32 <ptrrr> quack quack

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19:34 <arup_r> ptrrr: Meow Mewo... also come in Ruby

19:34 <arup_r> :)

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19:45 <ELFrederich> is there a rails channel here on freenode?

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19:45 <havenwood> ELFrederich: #rubyonrails

19:45 <havenwood> ELFrederich: Nick reg req.

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19:46 <ELFrederich> thanks

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19:50 <ELFrederich> still can't find a way to execute that script. It might just need the environment set up correctly. The rails app runs fine from the web server, just need to figure out how to run that script from command line

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19:55 <Hanmac> ELFrederich: #rubyonrails

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20:41 <lolmaus_> I would like to ping a host and retrieve round trip time. How do i do that?

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20:42 <eam> lolmaus_: you need to shell out to `ping` and parse the output (or use a gem that does that for you)

20:42 <eam> it generally can't be done from ruby, unless you're willing to run ruby as root

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20:46 <lolmaus_> eam: i tried net/ping with root, but it does not return lag time. :(

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20:48 <theharshest> an unrelated question, is there is way to get mapping of schema.org fields to opengraph fields?

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20:56 <lolmaus_> theharshest: the amount of microformats is too damn high. :(

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20:57 <theharshest> lolmaus_: yes, but micro formats is different from schema.org (which is microdata) or opengraph

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20:58 <mark06> how can I compile ruby code native to windows/linux?

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20:59 <mark06> or maybe compile to c... web search didn't show anything useful

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20:59 <theharshest> lolmaus_: I'm trying to parse every site metadata in Ruby, started with "Mida" to parse schema.org which worked pretty well. Now moving onto OG, and others and planning to convert all of them to schema.org through some kind of mapping. Any suggestions for this?

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21:00 <Hanmac> mark06: you dont want to do that

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21:00 <mark06> Hanmac: I do

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21:00 <Hanmac> why?

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21:01 <Hanmac> mark06: let me quess ... you want do turn your ruby code into one exe file and to protect your code right?

21:01 <Hanmac> for exe file look at orca ..., for the other forget it because each protection can be broken

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21:02 <mark06> Hanmac: I'm sorry it has nothing to do with that

21:02 <mark06> orca doesn't compile, it just embeds

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21:02 <onewheelskyward> There used to be something for perl like that.

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21:02 <mark06> it's still ruby

21:02 <hoelzro> onewheelskyward: still is

21:02 <onewheelskyward> http://rubyonwindows.blogspot.com/2007/09/compiling-your-ruby-app-with.html

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21:03 <mark06> onewheelskyward: that's not compiling

21:03 <Hanmac> mark06: there are API functions where you can embed ruby into your C app

21:03 <mark06> onewheelskyward: that's creating a self-extracting exe

21:03 <Hanmac> but thats totally different

21:03 <mark06> onewheelskyward: it's still ruby

21:04 <lolmaus_> theharshest: no idea, sorry. :(

21:04 <hoelzro> mark06: could you tell us what it is that you need compilation for?

21:04 <Hanmac> mark06: compiling ruby litterally does not make much sense, if you want compilied stuff, use java

21:04 <onewheelskyward> what the heck are you attempting to do? Interpret to a compiled language that works on multiple platforms?

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21:04 <theharshest> lolmaus_ oh ok, np :)

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21:05 <mark06> Hanmac: as I said very clearly, I don't want to embed, integrate or whatever, I want to compile ruby code to native windows/linux binary.... or some intermediate static language such as C would be good already

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21:05 <mark06> Hanmac: then feel very free to /ignore me please, not much into chitchatting thanks

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21:05 <Hanmac> rubinius and jruby can make byte-code, thats the farest you can go with ruby

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21:06 <hoelzro> mark06: there may be different solutions based on *why* you need this

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21:06 * mark06 ignores some

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21:06 <onewheelskyward> I may be ignored for this, but by ignoring people who are trying to help, you're really limiting your options.

21:06 <Hanmac> and about native binary, you mean too different for windows and linux right because one does not work

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21:07 <mark06> hoelzro: I'm lazy to rewrite it all in c?

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21:07 <mark06> hoelzro: what you do in ruby with 5min/10 lines you do in c with 2 days / 300 lines :P

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21:08 <hoelzro> what's the incentive, though? because you need the speed, you don't want to mess with dependencies, you want the "security" of machine code?

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21:08 <Hanmac> mark06: then why does embeding not work, you can run ruby code from your C side?

21:08 <Mon_Ouie> Yes, and it still works without compiling it into C. Why is that a requirement?

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21:09 <apeiros> just for the record, mark06 cross posts this.

21:09 <mark06> onewheelskyward: not you man... I just can't take chitchatting for a so much simple question.... but that's how irc works... when you have nothing to say, you still say lots of stuff because you're really smart and amazing.... but don't worry it's not you, and I'm just being practical

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21:09 <mark06> apeiros: what should I do now

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21:10 <mark06> hoelzro: http://github.com/renatosilva/easyoptions

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21:10 <mark06> hoelzro: using it in bash is a one-lines, but it's ugly

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21:11 <mark06> hoelzro: except for requiring ruby.... so I realize it's just better to remove the bash version which is slow and replace 'ruby in bash' with a native program....

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21:12 <mark06> Mon_Ouie: hmm what do you mean?

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21:13 <mark06> *one-liner

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21:13 <apeiros> mark06: not now. before you ask your question. state/say that you are cross-posting.

21:13 <Mon_Ouie> Why is it a requirement to compile to C vs. just using a regular ruby implementation?

21:13 <mark06> s/except/not to mention

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21:15 <FenixFyreX> Hi, I've a problem wit a C extension I've written recently; it seems that when I alias my initialize method of my custom class and set the input filename to another string via #=, the variable isn't updated by the time the variable is sent to the C world and I am reading the old string? Not sure how to explain this...

21:15 <mark06> Mon_Ouie: as I said above... because it will be good if ruby is not required at all.... and because the usage could maybe be simpler than that ugly eval "$(from=....

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21:15 <FenixFyreX> How ever if I use String#replace, everything works...

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21:15 <mark06> Mon_Ouie: and because I want to eliminate the bash version, that's the main reason

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21:16 <Mon_Ouie> So why would the tools that produce a standalone executable that we mentioned before not work?

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21:17 <Mon_Ouie> The runtime gets statically linked so there's no extra dependency

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21:19 <mark06> Mon_Ouie: because it's not native code, it's still ruby

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21:19 <mark06> Mon_Ouie: and the executable will be fat, since it wil contain the ruby vm

21:19 <Mon_Ouie> and why would that matter? No one's going to open the binary and check…

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21:20 <mark06> because native code is faster

21:20 <mark06> and option aprsing should be fast

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21:21 <Mon_Ouie> Ruby gets compiled to bytecode, some implementation (e.g. Rubinius and JRuby through the JVM) have a JIT that eventually generates machine code

21:21 <mark06> what's the size of the final executable, Mon_Ouie?

21:21 <Mon_Ouie> Ruby is a managed language, you can't just compile away the need for a GC, etc.

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21:22 <mark06> so what, I require these vms to be installed in order to run bytecode?

21:22 <mark06> jit for option parsing?

21:22 <mark06> hmm no!

21:22 <Mon_Ouie> As I said you can link them statically…

21:23 <mark06> how fat will that be?

21:23 <Mon_Ouie> Just write a compiler that generates native code from Ruby and doesn't need a GC or any of the features the Ruby runtime provides then

21:24 <apeiros> I think he wants others to perform the magic, so he can only use it

21:24 <mark06> don't you know how fat will that be?

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21:25 <shevy> I like magic

21:25 <mark06> Mon_Ouie: it's easier to say "no we don't know anything like that"

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21:25 <shevy> I describe my code as magical

21:25 <mark06> but let's just chitchat!

21:25 <magic> shevy: Aw, thanks :)

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21:25 <shevy> if it works, it is true magic

21:25 <shevy> damn man

21:25 <shevy> you shocked me...

21:26 <apeiros> mark06: dude, you've been told *just that* at the very beginning

21:26 <shevy> I did not know there was someone with a nick called magic here :(

21:26 <apeiros> mark06: don't blame others for your fault to listen.

21:26 <apeiros> or rather your unwillingness to accept the answer.

21:26 <magic> Lol, it definitely says something that I get highlights a lot from the Ruby channel ;)

21:26 <magic> :p

21:26 <shevy> ruby is like magic after all

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21:26 <shevy> well actually

21:26 <shevy> ruby is more like poetry

21:26 <shevy> only magic when you use method_missing combined with eval()s

21:27 <eam> in that poetry is ambiguous and without fixed rules?

21:27 <shevy> use method_missing, magically define new methods, and pass them to other classes

21:27 <Hanmac> shevy wrong ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_%28programming_language%29 that is like poetry ;D

21:27 <shevy> the poetry is quite limited compared to real written poem grammar rules

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21:27 <shevy> that also follows rules

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21:28 <shevy> [Exeunt Romeo and Juliet]

21:28 <shevy> looks like crap

21:28 <shevy> is that like

21:28 <shevy> def foo

21:28 <shevy> endif foo

21:28 <shevy> nope sorry

21:28 <shevy> that should have been an if in the beginning

21:28 <FenixFyreX> it reminds me of lolcode, but with old english instead of leetspeak :/

21:28 <zenspider> just to cause some extra trouble... I have a ruby to c compiler.

21:29 <eam> a program which exclusively uses functions with pentamic arity

21:29 <zenspider> both a generic one and one specifically for ruby C

21:29 <shevy> lolcode had some moments of fun

21:29 <mark06> zenspider: ruby2c?

21:29 <apeiros> zenspider: does that cost $3k too? or only the obfuscator?

21:29 <zenspider> that's the generic one.

21:29 <zenspider> the ruby C one is zenobfuscator

21:29 <zenspider> used for protecting your IP!

21:30 <zenspider> and yes, it costs

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21:30 <mark06> tried ruby2c but it failed... it's BETA BETA BETA BETA anyway :)

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21:31 <FenixFyreX> mark06, do you know any languages other than Ruby?

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21:31 <mark06> zenspider: what's 'ruby c'? like converting ruby modules to native extensions?

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21:31 <mark06> FenixFyreX: c, python, java....

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21:32 <FenixFyreX> mark06: then why not just convert the ruby code over to c? If Ruby is that slow / bothersome?

21:32 <FenixFyreX> How many options and rules are you parsing that performance might be an issue?

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21:32 <zenspider> yup. it converts the ruby code to the equivalent ruby C extension

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21:33 <zenspider> but I used ruby2c + a call counting profiler + RubyInline to do automatic algorithmic optimization.

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21:34 <eam> is there a good tool for self-contained executables comprised of a ruby interpreter + gem bundle in one file?

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21:34 <FenixFyreX> Is ther anyone here that can help me with my issue above?

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21:34 <zenspider> made my demo run 5x faster w/ no human intervention

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21:35 <Mon_Ouie> FenixFyreX: You said #= like it's a method, it's not, it sets a local variable.

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21:35 <Mon_Ouie> or any kind of variable actually

21:35 <FenixFyreX> right, and then I pass that local variable to the previous definition of the method

21:35 <FenixFyreX> which calls the c function I defined in the extension

21:35 <Mon_Ouie> #replaces changes the content of the string, = will change the object reference by the variable

21:35 <Mon_Ouie> Can you show some code to make that clearer?

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21:36 <FenixFyreX> Yes, let me pastebin it

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21:37 <zenspider> eam: I thought there was a fairly popular one that's mostly used on windows

21:38 <zenspider> I forget the name tho... ruby-toolbox prolly has it

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21:39 <FenixFyreX> Mon_Ouie: http://pastebin.com/6gZVxGtf

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21:39 <eam> I haven't the slightest idea how to find it

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21:40 <zenspider> https://www.ruby-toolbox.com/categories/packaging_to_executables

21:40 <zenspider> boom

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21:40 <eam> amazing thx!

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21:40 <FenixFyreX> ocra still results in a relatively large executable

21:40 <Mon_Ouie> Hm, so with name.replace it prints the right result?

21:41 <FenixFyreX> Yes!

21:41 <FenixFyreX> It's like the variable doesn't get updated by the time it hits the c stack

21:41 <eam> I imagine all solutions would be pretty big - not too concerned

21:41 <FenixFyreX> I't puzzling...

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21:41 <eam> the real problem is avoiding approaches that unpack

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21:41 <usinganalias> Hello!

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21:42 <Mon_Ouie> Well I can tell you that's not how it works — changing a variable is never delayed :p

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21:42 <FenixFyreX> This is why I'm so confused, haha

21:42 <Mon_Ouie> What if you puts name after both assignment and right before your method call?

21:43 <FenixFyreX> I'll try that

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21:43 <usinganalias> Quick question: here's the first line of a method I've written, def calculate(*numbers, options = {}) - and ruby complains that the '=' was unexpected (in lieu of a ')' ) - can't I have a default value for an argument after an argument with a splat operator?

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21:44 <usinganalias> Never mind - figured it out. Thanks!

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21:46 <FenixFyreX> Mon_Ouie, that doesn't seem to help

21:46 <Mon_Ouie> What gets printed though?

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21:47 <FenixFyreX> Mon_Ouie: Hmm, , when I attempt a RSTRING_LEN(fname), it's correct. fputs(RSTRING_PTR(fname), stdout) is correct as well

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21:47 <mark06> FenixFyreX: ruby is not so slow.... bash version is

21:48 <FenixFyreX> however when I pass the variable to the creation of the class in C, it's like the variable reverts back

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21:48 <FenixFyreX> mark06: so it's a trade-off, speed or size?

21:48 <atmosx> anyoen worked with oauth2?

21:48 <Mon_Ouie> In what way?

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21:48 <mark06> FenixFyreX: I need something to replace bash impl with... if it could be a native binary right off the ruby version, then awesome but no.... looks like I'll need to replace bash impl with C one

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21:49 <FenixFyreX> Mon_Ouie: As in, the string reverts back from being <resolved_path>/filename

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21:49 <FenixFyreX> Mon_Ouie: to just filename

21:49 <mark06> FenixFyreX: we can use ruby impl in bash... but it requires ruby, native binary doesn't

21:49 <eam> mark06: are you saying you want to write a bourne shell in ruby?

21:49 <FenixFyreX> But I don't edit the var in ruby at all anymore

21:49 <Mon_Ouie> But where do you see that happening? How do you know it is happening?

21:50 <mark06> FenixFyreX: I also suspect I could make the one-liner prettier than it is with ruby: eval "$(from...

21:50 <mark06> eam: no! haha

21:50 <FenixFyreX> From the C side of things, I pass the C struct that talks to the audio device the filename of the file that is to be played, and it errors on a <No such file: basefilename>

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21:52 <Mon_Ouie> Also I think you're supposed to use StringValueCStr to get a proper cstring, but I don't think it should impact your program

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21:54 <FenixFyreX> Mon_Ouie: Alright, I'll try that and see how things turn out. It seems that in my C extension function, the filepath is corretly altered, but down the road in C world, only the basename is captured. Perhaps I'll check the source to see if it only errors with the basename being printed? That could be what is happening...and in that case the file -should- exist but apparently doesn't.

21:54 <FenixFyreX> Mon_Ouie: Thanks for your help, I appreciate it.

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21:54 <mark06> maybe I could make bash version into a very simple wrapper around ruby impl....

21:54 <mark06> so instead of : eval "$(from="$0" easyoptions.rb "$@" || echo exit 1)"

21:54 <mark06> we could do: source easyoptions "$@" || exit 1 --> more readable

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22:06 <zenspider> FenixFyreX: you want name to be changed in what way?

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22:07 <FenixFyreX> zenspider: All I'm doing is resolving the path to the audio file by aliasing the method in ruby and setting the local variable name passed in as the filename, to be prepended with a directory should the file passed in not exist

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22:08 <FenixFyreX> zenspider: however, it seems that my alias is ineffective down the road in C world

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22:08 <zenspider> does that answer my question?

22:08 <zenspider> I honestly can't tell if it is supposed to

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22:09 <FenixFyreX> zenspider: I'm setting the name variable to another string should the file not exist

22:09 <zenspider> "# When this ^^^^ is called, it seems that name is not changed at all?"

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22:09 <FenixFyreX> zenspider: it doesn't work unless I call replace on string, instead of just setting the variable to a different string

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22:12 <Eiam> hmm.. sanity check here

22:13 <Eiam> I have some configuration files that I need the author to be able to specify logic, in ruby, that will evaluate based on instance values I pass into it. Basically, they define a function that I promise will be given access to certain data, then ill run the function and it has to return true or false

22:13 <Eiam> is instance_eval what I want there?

22:13 <Eiam> (the code doesn't come from the outside)

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22:13 <zenspider> why not 'def'?

22:14 <Eiam> well, the conf is XML so

22:14 <Eiam> it would be just a string

22:14 <foobarbaz_> what was the RoR chaannel again?

22:14 <Eiam> foobarbaz_: #rubyonrails

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22:14 <zenspider> Eiam: but... it "doesn't come from the outside"?

22:14 <foobarbaz_> registered folk only? :(

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22:14 <zenspider> so register

22:15 <zenspider> it isn't hard, and it saves your nick from campers

22:15 <Eiam> zenspider: the file is committed to an internal repotory and loaded at runtime

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22:15 <merqlove> yeah

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22:15 <merqlove> 1 mail, 2 commands

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22:15 <shevy> foobarbaz_ yeah - we here on #ruby do not force you to register

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22:15 <shevy> man

22:15 <foobar___> which i like :)

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22:15 <shevy> changing your nick as I type :<

22:15 <Eiam> hmm

22:15 <foobar___> was trying to find an unregistered name haha

22:15 <shevy> can't you pick something more descriptive :P

22:15 <foobar___> silly RoR channel :(

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22:16 <foobar___> i'm sure 'needlehaystack' would've been taken too shevy ;)

22:16 <zenspider> Eiam: this seems like a bad idea... but regular eval or instance_eval should be ok...depending on what the code is supposed to do

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22:16 <Eiam> zenspider: the idea is "I will call whatever code you write here, and you can write it with the assumption that variable's "a" "b" "c" will exist when you are run

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22:17 <mechanicalduck> So I want to test a simple ruby script (rb) file.

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22:17 <zenspider> you can do that with a binding

22:17 <Eiam> zenspider: it would literally be myself or my co-workers sabotaging themselves if they did something malicious so

22:17 <mechanicalduck> How can I let it require a gem from vendor directory by bundler?

22:17 <zenspider> Eiam: I was referring to the XML

22:17 <zenspider> you already know eval is bad

22:17 <shevy> foobar___ learn ruby before you learn RoR anyway :P

22:17 <Eiam> zenspider: well, the xml is already there and heavily used so

22:18 <Eiam> zenspider: that certainly won't change =)

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22:18 <zenspider> great

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22:18 <foobar___> shevy: I'm a ruby pro

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22:18 <foobar___> Only jokes, i'm hopeless

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22:18 <godd2> "A king does not have to declare he is king"

22:18 <shevy> hey I would not have doubted you

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22:18 <shevy> ruby pro but unsure how to join #RoR :P

22:19 <shevy> godd2 the king wears no clothes!

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22:19 <godd2> Those royals are always so eccentric. Guess I'll never be one.

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22:20 <mechanicalduck> anyone?

22:20 <mechanicalduck> So I want to test a simple ruby script (rb) file.

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22:20 <mechanicalduck> How can I let it require a gem from vendor directory by bundler?

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22:23 <Eiam> zenspider: wouldn't I have to make a class then to use bindings?

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22:24 <Eiam> I was mentally thinking "I define a function with some parameters, and it executes the code you provided as the "body" "

22:24 <Eiam> but bindings don't seem to be quite for that

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22:24 <merqlove> )))

22:25 <Eiam> like https://gist.github.com/Eiam8821/b3ab098bb5a7ba231815

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22:25 <mallu> newbie question.. I'm assigning some values I got from a shell script to a varibale. but when I do variable.each do I'm getting "NoMethodError: undefined method `each' for "value":String"

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22:25 <Eiam> mallu: cause String doesn't define "each"

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22:25 <Eiam> >>[

22:25 <eval-in> Eiam => /tmp/execpad-f929877886c1/source-f929877886c1:3: syntax error, unexpected keyword_rescue, expecting ']' ... (https://eval.in/174237)

22:26 <Eiam> >> ["string"].each{|x| puts x}

22:26 <eval-in> Eiam => string ... (https://eval.in/174238)

22:26 <Eiam> mallu: http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.2/Array.html

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22:27 <Eiam> mallu: note each is missing from http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.2/String.html

22:27 <merqlove> or %w(string).each

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22:27 <Eiam> merqlove: we said the same thing here ;p

22:27 <merqlove> yeah :)))

22:27 <mechanicalduck> Is it possible to require a ruby gem by specifying an absolute path?

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22:28 <merqlove> via load?

22:28 <merqlove> try

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22:33 <mallu> sorry to be a ignorant .. how to do go through each value if the values you are getting is a string?

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22:33 <Eiam> mallu: split on something

22:33 <Eiam> mallu: you want to enumerate each character in a string?

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22:34 <Eiam> >>"string".split().each{|x| puts x}

22:34 <eval-in> Eiam => string ... (https://eval.in/174240)

22:34 <wallerdev> lol

22:34 <Eiam> =p

22:34 <wallerdev> >> "string".chars.to_a

22:34 <eval-in> wallerdev => ["s", "t", "r", "i", "n", "g"] (https://eval.in/174241)

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22:34 <Eiam> ^

22:34 <Eiam> i was being mean

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22:35 <Eiam> mallu: why don't you gist your input

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22:35 <Eiam> and your expected output and the code you are trying to use? =)

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22:38 <godd2> >> "string".split ""

22:38 <eval-in> godd2 => ["s", "t", "r", "i", "n", "g"] (https://eval.in/174242)

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22:41 <mallu> thank you guys.. that split fixed my issue

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22:47 <godd2> mallu if you want an enumerator use each_char and you can send it a block directly

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22:52 <macclearich__> anyone have an idea where I can find an analogue for the python 'networkx' library?

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22:55 <shevy> anyone can explain to me a simple way how I can remember what Array#pack really does

22:55 <shevy> quote from the docu

22:56 <shevy> "packs the contents of enum into a binary sequence according to the directives "

22:56 <shevy> so what does that even mean?

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22:56 <godd2> It means "hey, if the number 37 was a string, what string would it be?"

22:57 <shevy> hmm

22:57 <godd2> everything is bits after all

22:57 <shevy> "37"

22:57 <shevy> but I don't see bits with my eyes here! :(

22:57 <godd2> to be more precise, if the binary bits representing 37 were interpreted as a string instead, what would that string be?

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22:57 <godd2> >> [37].pack "C"

22:57 <eval-in> godd2 => "%" (https://eval.in/174243)

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22:58 <shevy> hmm so "%" is 37

22:58 <pontiki> >> 37.chr

22:58 <eval-in> pontiki => "%" (https://eval.in/174244)

22:58 <godd2> in a manner of speaking

22:58 <pontiki> ?

22:58 <shevy> but why is % 37?

22:58 <shevy> why not 93

22:58 <pontiki> >> 93.chr

22:58 <shevy> or 6890368

22:58 <eval-in> pontiki => "]" (https://eval.in/174245)

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22:59 <pontiki> ASCII codes

22:59 <shevy> aha

22:59 <shevy> ok

22:59 <shevy> hmm

22:59 <shevy> what if I wanna pack unicode stuff

22:59 <shevy> who remembers that snowman...

22:59 <godd2> >> 37.to_s(2).rjust(8, "0")

22:59 <shevy> 'SNOWMAN' (U+2603)

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22:59 <shevy> >> 37.to_s(2).rjust(8, "0")

22:59 <eval-in> shevy => "00100101" (https://eval.in/174246)

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23:00 <shevy> ohh cool

23:00 <godd2> okay so the literal bits 00100101 when interpreted as a string is "%"

23:00 <shevy> I did not use the second argument to rjust before

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23:00 <shevy> how to go back from 00100101?

23:00 <godd2> [0b00100101].pack "C"

23:00 <shevy> hmm

23:00 <godd2> >> 0b00100101

23:00 <eval-in> godd2 => 37 (https://eval.in/174247)

23:00 <shevy> cool

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23:00 <shevy> now I just need to memorize this

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23:02 <shevy> I think I can remember .rjust, the second argument would just be the fill token

23:02 <shevy> >> 'abcdef'.rjust(15,'_')

23:02 <eval-in> shevy => "_________abcdef" (https://eval.in/174248)

23:02 <shevy> \o/

23:02 <shevy> as to ... to_s(2) ... and .pack 'c' ... and leading 0b .... hmm

23:03 <godd2> lower case c and upper case C are two different directives

23:03 <shevy> I understand that the 'c' to .pack means bytes

23:03 <shevy> how did these directives derive?

23:03 <shevy> why is it not ... 'a' ... or 'b' ... for bytes

23:03 <godd2> yes and lower case is signed, upper case is unsigned

23:03 <banister> Mon_Ouie 'alut

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23:04 <godd2> oh, historical reasons

23:04 <shevy> hmm ok

23:04 <godd2> L is 32-bit because of the "long" integer

23:04 <godd2> Q is 64 because Quad

23:04 <godd2> etc

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23:06 <shevy> hmm

23:06 <shevy> I'm gonna find out those historical reasons

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23:06 <godd2> If it makes you feel any better, I don't have them memorized

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23:07 <godd2> I have the chart open right now, and any other time I'm doing pack/unpack

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23:07 <shevy> well the biggest problem is trying to understand why this means that in that chart

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23:08 <shevy> I'm gonna tap into the human resources

23:08 <godd2> c == char, s == short, l == long, q == quad, i == int

23:08 <shevy> eam, does perl have something like Array#pack ?

23:08 <shevy> hmm that sounds like a C table

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23:08 <shevy> did C have something like Array#pack?

23:08 <godd2> well ruby is written in C.

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23:08 <wallerdev> i only use C*

23:09 <wallerdev> only useful one

23:09 <shevy> wallerdev what the heck is that * there

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23:09 <wallerdev> >> "lol".unpack('C*')

23:09 <eval-in> wallerdev => [108, 111, 108] (https://eval.in/174249)

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23:10 <shevy> ah well

23:10 <shevy> I'm gonna remember for today only that .rjust has more than one argument

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23:10 <pontiki> perl has pack and unpack

23:11 <shevy> cool

23:11 <Squeatus> in 365 days that's a lot of str methods down :)

23:11 <Squeatus> probably at least 25% of them

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23:12 <eam> shevy: yes pack and unpack are directly lifted from Perl

23:12 <godd2> >> String.instance_methods.count # yes I know this includes inherited ones

23:12 <eval-in> godd2 => 164 (https://eval.in/174250)

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23:12 <mallu> is it possible to pass a ruby variable into bash command?

23:12 <eam> but they're methods on perl strings -- and it's suuuuper weird that ruby has Array#pack

23:12 <shevy> hmm

23:12 <shevy> mallu you could use `` in bash too right?

23:13 <wallerdev> why is it weird

23:13 <shevy> perhaps because it is on an Array

23:13 <mallu> shevy, yes I can use `` but how does it interpret the variable?

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23:13 <eam> wallerdev: hang on I forget why lemmie find what I ran into

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23:14 <eam> IIRC it only operates on arrays with one string element?

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23:14 <shevy> mallu what do you mean with interpret? it can return it right? so it would add it at that spot in the script

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23:14 <godd2> `` gets interpolated. `#{some_var}` would work

23:14 <mallu> volume_id.split(' ').each do |volume| `aws ec2 create-snapshot volume

23:14 <shevy> just as you could combine cat | awk | sed in bash

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23:14 <shevy> ah so you try to invoke something from ruby

23:15 <mallu> how does it know what is the value for volume?

23:15 <shevy> nono

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23:15 <eam> >> ["FF00FF"].pack('H*')

23:15 <eval-in> eam => "\xFF\x00\xFF" (https://eval.in/174251)

23:15 <eam> ^^ that is weird

23:15 <shevy> cmd = 'aws ec2 create-snapshot '+volume; result `#{cmd}'

23:15 <shevy> sorry

23:15 <godd2> volume gets set every time the loop loops and it gets set to the next element.

23:15 <shevy> mallu: cmd = 'aws ec2 create-snapshot '+volume; result = `#{cmd}'

23:15 <eam> >> ["FF00FF", "FF00FF"].pack('H*')

23:15 <eval-in> eam => "\xFF\x00\xFF" (https://eval.in/174252)

23:15 <shevy> damn it

23:15 <shevy> result = `#{cmd}`

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23:15 <shevy> finally ...

23:15 <mallu> ok

23:16 <eam> Strings are a type of array, and pack() works only on array.first as a String

23:16 <eam> as best I can tell

23:16 <eam> I don't see the point of the enclosing Array

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23:16 <eam> I guess I should rtfs

23:17 <benzrf> rtfS?

23:17 <benzrf> eam: strings are not a type of array

23:17 <benzrf> theyre a separate class

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23:18 <eam> benzrf: Strings are a type of array, they're just not a type of Array

23:19 <godd2> eam you can affect more than one element of an array with a longer directive

23:19 <benzrf> eam: ah

23:19 <godd2> >> ["A", "B"].pack("cc")

23:19 <eval-in> godd2 => no implicit conversion of String into Integer (TypeError) ... (https://eval.in/174253)

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23:19 <shevy> hehe

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23:19 <godd2> >> [65, 66].pack("cc")

23:19 <eval-in> godd2 => "AB" (https://eval.in/174254)

23:19 <eam> ok so there are some cases where a pattern reads multiple array elements

23:19 <eam> but others where it doesn't

23:19 <eam> I don't understand why :)

23:19 <shevy> today is big learning day on #ruby

23:20 <shevy> even benzrf has joined the party

23:20 <godd2> the directive can be as long as you want

23:20 <eam> godd2: yeah but see H* above

23:20 <shevy> >> [65, 66].pack("ccc")

23:20 <eval-in> shevy => too few arguments (ArgumentError) ... (https://eval.in/174255)

23:20 <godd2> >> [*65..75].pack("c"*11)

23:20 <eval-in> godd2 => "ABCDEFGHIJK" (https://eval.in/174256)

23:21 <godd2> >> ["FF00FF", "FF00FF"].pack('H*H*')

23:21 <eval-in> godd2 => "\xFF\x00\xFF\xFF\x00\xFF" (https://eval.in/174257)

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23:22 <eam> I guess that's consistent

23:22 <eam> * only works on the first list element

23:22 <godd2> I don't know what * means though

23:22 <eam> perldoc -f pack # best docs on ruby/perl pack

23:22 <eam> it's repeat count, but it only repeats within the list element

23:22 <shevy> :(

23:23 <shevy> you use perldoc for ruby stuff?

23:23 <pontiki> the * is "repeat indefinitely"

23:23 <eam> >> ["FF00FF", "FF00FF"].pack('H*H*')

23:23 <eval-in> eam => "\xFF\x00\xFF\xFF\x00\xFF" (https://eval.in/174260)

23:23 <eam> shevy: constantly

23:23 <eam> it's far better than ruby docs and I'm not even kidding

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23:24 <eam> especially for anything ruby lifted from perl

23:24 <shevy> ruby docs never were great

23:24 <shevy> you should have been here in 2004

23:24 <eam> perldoc perlrun => best docs on ruby flags

23:24 <shevy> only pipework likes the ruby docs

23:24 <eam> shevy: I was

23:24 <shevy> ack

23:24 <shevy> with ruby?

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23:24 <eam> 2003 iirc was when I started using it

23:24 <shevy> I thought you are a new guy

23:24 <shevy> damn that's before I started with ruby

23:24 <shevy> I had a book about perl regexes back in 2003, it was quite nice

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23:25 <shevy> I guess we can not deny it

23:25 <godd2> I only started with ruby in 2011

23:25 <shevy> matz liked perl

23:25 <eam> I wrote it off 'cuz nonblocking i/o was busted, I couldn't instantiate Socket without blocking on connect()

23:25 <shevy> godd2 really? so late?

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23:25 <eam> and I was caremad about String#concat

23:25 <shevy> you must be young then

23:25 <godd2> I'm 28

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23:25 <shevy> what is String#concat

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23:25 <shevy> is that "abc" + "def" ?

23:25 <eam> shevy: it's not concat!

23:25 <shevy> phew

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23:26 <eam> >> a = "foo"; a.concat "bar"; a

23:26 <eval-in> eam => "foobar" (https://eval.in/174262)

23:26 <shevy> godd2 that's young still, not yet at the 30 mark

23:26 <eam> should be concat!

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23:26 <shevy> ah

23:26 <shevy> as apeiros always says

23:26 <shevy> not even ruby stdlib or core is consistent

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23:27 <shevy> require 'optparse'; OptionParser.new

23:27 <godd2> >> a = "foo"; a << "bar"; a # this makes sense. <<! would look silly

23:27 <eval-in> godd2 => "foobar" (https://eval.in/174263)

23:27 <shevy> I like <<

23:27 <eam> shevy: I didn't really use ruby from 04 - 12 though :)

23:27 <shevy> first time I saw it was in C++

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23:27 <godd2> I figure if someone is using #concat instead of #+ they "know what theyre doing"

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23:28 <shevy> hehehe

23:28 <shevy> I've never seen it before

23:28 <eam> I was just exploring this cool new language I heard about

23:28 <shevy> eam must come from the dark corner of ruby land

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23:29 <eam> never used rails

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23:30 <godd2> Ruby core is big enough, stdlib is enough to study for years

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23:30 <eam> I just looked up a bug report from 2004 ... for cgi.rb

23:30 <eam> http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/2933

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23:32 <shevy> hehe

23:32 <shevy> good old 2004

23:32 <shevy> the day before web apps

23:32 <eam> can't find the concat complaining

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23:35 <eam> anyway, I wish pack() was a method on both String and Array

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23:36 <pontiki> that doesn't make any sense to me

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23:36 <pontiki> Array.pack and String.unpack are bascially inverse operations

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23:37 <eam> I'm just grumpy that I have to stick "foo" into ["foo"] to call pack() on it

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23:37 <shevy> you are indeed very grumpy

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23:38 <shevy> "ruby should have this, perl has that, why doesn't ruby have thot"

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23:38 <onewheelskyward> 'cause

23:38 <eam> shevy: I'm critical of everything though

23:38 <eam> including perl

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23:39 <shevy> yeah

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23:39 <shevy> age makes folks grumpier

23:39 <eam> :(

23:40 <shevy> don't worry

23:40 <shevy> in two years godd2 is old

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23:41 <godd2> ohh maaaaaan

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23:44 <godd2> >> class String; def pack(directives); [self].pack(directives); end; end; "foo".pack("H*")

23:44 <eval-in> godd2 => "\xF8\x80" (https://eval.in/174266)

23:44 <godd2> there you go eam

23:44 <eam> godd2: thank you <3

23:44 <pontiki> lol

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23:45 <eam> ruby should finish implementing the rest of the perl stdlib. Like, where's String#vec ?

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23:45 <shevy> what does vec mean

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23:46 <eam> shevy: perldoc -f vec

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23:46 <shevy> vec($foo, 2, 16) = 0x5065;

23:47 <eam> dealing with bits in ruby is kind of a PITA

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23:47 <godd2> eam: I'm working on a gem to show floating point multiplication in Ruby: https://gist.github.com/nicklink483/89bbc83a5636617f4020

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23:47 <godd2> and yes, I agree that dealing with bits in Ruby is a pain

23:48 <eam> that is rad

23:48 <eam> godd2: you reminded me, I need to find out why this happens and send a patch

23:48 <eam> >> 0 % Float::NAN

23:48 <eval-in> eam => 0.0 (https://eval.in/174267)

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23:49 <pontiki> O.O

23:49 <pontiki> it'd be funnier if it returns that

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23:51 <godd2> According to ruby docs, it looks like it depends on what RFLOAT_VALUE does with Float::NAN as an argument

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23:51 <eam> any math involving NAN needs to be NAN

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23:52 <eam> it's kinda weird that % is a method on Float anyway

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23:52 <eam> >> 5.6 % 7.8

23:52 <eval-in> eam => 5.6 (https://eval.in/174268)

23:53 <eam> >> 5.6 % 4.5

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23:53 <eval-in> eam => 1.0999999999999996 (https://eval.in/174269)

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23:53 <eam> w t f

23:53 <theharshest> anyone having experience parsing webpage metadata (microdata, microformats, RDFa, etc) in Ruby?

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