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<fly2web> hello
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<coldkey21> hello
<coldkey21> how are you?
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<fly2web> hello
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<fly2web> i must create github account?
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<FifthWall> Depends, what are you trying to do?
<fly2web> i don’t know what to do now.
<fly2web> FifthWall:
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<fly2web> i just want know ruby module.
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<FifthWall> If you are just looking for a ruby module then no you don't need a github account.
<FifthWall> gem*
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<fly2web> oh
<fly2web> yesterday, ruby man said to me ‘i must know github to know ruby module’.
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<FifthWall> Well, knowing git helps. Knowing your way around the site helps. But you don't actually need an account.
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<FifthWall> Unless you're publishing your own gem, in which case it's still not a requirement but it is recomended.
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<fly2web> what is gem?
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<centrx> Troll alert
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<fly2web> :(
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<FifthWall> :c
<Pizza> hi ruby people!
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<fly2web> i want eat piza
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<Pizza> pizza is me
<centrx> A match made in heaven
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<Pizza> what sort of ide's or editors does the ruby community use?
<fly2web> i use eclipse
<fly2web> that is good
<centrx> vim
<Pizza> woah. eclipse for ruby? mind = blown
<Pizza> vim, that's pretty sweet.
<centrx> Pizza, fly2web is trolling, I wouldn't listen to him
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<fly2web> but eclipse for ruby is good
<Pizza> uh, kinda. i actually am interested in learing what the "standard" tooling set up is for ruby.
<wallerdev> i use textmate
<wallerdev> textmate + terminal lol
<Pizza> or if a consensus on the tooling has even been made.
<FifthWall> Vim + Tmux for me.
<fly2web> eclipse have automatic complement , but vim don’t have it
<centrx> Pizza, Many different tools are used
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<centrx> Pizza, Ruby does not have as much need for IDE as other kinds of languages, like Java
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<Pizza> Would you say there is no conensus on tooling for ruby? pretty much the opposite of C# where *everyone* uses the same IDE?
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<wallerdev> vim has ctags
<FifthWall> Yeah, that sounds fair.
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<wallerdev> yes nothing like c#
<wallerdev> c# is full of boilerplate code
<wallerdev> and has static typing
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<wallerdev> so definitely need an IDE
<Pizza> oh yeah. I use C# for my job, put prefer dynamic languages like ruby and lisp.
<wallerdev> i used c# for a long time
<wallerdev> doing javascript work now tho
<Pizza> i am one of the few C# developers in the world who doesn't use Visual STudio.
<FifthWall> vim, emacs, and sublime are usually what I see when people ask this sort of question
<wallerdev> what do you use?
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<wallerdev> VS is like the holy grail for .NET programming
<Pizza> I use Emacs + Omnisharp for C#.
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<centrx> Pizza, I would say thin but featureful text editors like Textmate and Sublime Text, and standard Unix editors like vim and emacs, are the most common.
<Pizza> oh great.
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<Pizza> does ruby have an interactive environement? I'm very new to ruby.
<FifthWall> irb
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<wallerdev> yeah a lot of people coming to ruby from languages like java or c# cling to their IDEs
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<centrx> Pizza, irb is the standard included REPL. pry is a more feature-filled popular one.
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<wallerdev> are you on windows?
<Pizza> sweet. If ruby has an interactive environement then i'm good2go.
<Pizza> yes
<wallerdev> :(
<Pizza> windows here
<wallerdev> good luck
<wallerdev> hope you like the windows command prompt lol
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<Pizza> I don't really use windows event though I'm on windows. Everything is done through emacs as an interface layer.
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<Pizza> Emacs is my OS. Windows/linux/mac is just an implementation detail.
<wallerdev> some gems might not compile on windows, so be careful with gems with native extensions
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<Pizza> hmm. ruby is not very portable? or is it just some ruby code hooks into native programs?
<centrx> Is Ruby on Windows still extremely slow?
<centrx> Windows is not very portable
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<centrx> Pizza, Any Linux, Unix, or OS X works well
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<Pizza> if the issue is merely hookin then it's not an issue (for me).
<wallerdev> you can build native libs with cygwin etc usually
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<wallerdev> but a lot of ruby code assumes a linux/unix system
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<wallerdev> since thats what its mostly run on
<ahmeni> Has anyone done a ruby deployment where they package the entire ruby binary itself along with the gems?
<wallerdev> depends what kind of delpoyment you mean
<fly2web> pizza use eclipse
<Pizza> hmmm. no matter. I'm going to dive into ruby regardless of i'ts windows support.
<wallerdev> but people do similar things with rvm etc and bundler
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<Pizza> fly2web. Emacs is so far surpassing eclipse it is not even funny.
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<wallerdev> eclipse is so java
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<Pizza> I have a full true IDE that surpases visual studio in it's C# intellisense. All within emacs. Eclipse is a dead duck.
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<ahmeni> yeah I'm currently doing the gem packaging with gem install --deployment --path, but I don't want the deployed box to have to pull in external deps via rvm
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<fly2web> dead duck :(
<centrx> ahmeni, Not very active projects though
<Pizza> I can swithc between thousands of atcive buffers with a mere thought in emacs.
<ahmeni> Our build server is all rvm stuff so my next path was going to see if I can just package the ruby out of the ~/.rvm but wanted to see if there were alternatives
<Pizza> I can liberarte algorthims that emerge out of active data with emacs.
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<wallerdev> ahmeni: might want to look at bundle package
<wallerdev> looks at your gemfile and puts all the gems in vendor somethin
<ahmeni> yeah that's just gems, i'm already doing that and its working okay
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<wallerdev> well you cant really just include ruby unless the ruby build would be the same, youd have to compile it on the machine right?
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<ahmeni> it would be compiled on the build servers, which are the same RHEL 5 base as the staging and production environments
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<ahmeni> i think i've just been spoiled by python's virtualenv
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<fly2web> who use eclipse? only i use it only?
<benzrf> IDEs dont work too good for ruby
<benzrf> its far too dynamic
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<fly2web> oh :(
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<cylofe> I use rubymine though and do prefer it over something like sublime
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<wallerdev> cylofe: what OS are you on
<cylofe> wallerdev: ubuntu
<wallerdev> ah
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<wallerdev> probably feels more native there since linux has no ui standards
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<wallerdev> lol
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<cylofe> hahaha... I had to customize a lot of shortcuts for it because it wasn't build with commonly known shortcut keys but other than that it was fine :)
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<wallerdev> yeah i use a similar program (basically all their IDEs use the same shell) for javascript
<wallerdev> they basically disregard every mac shortcut besides copy and paste lol
<wallerdev> and java never feels native :(
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<blr> hi there, attempting to bundle install cucumber-nagios from github, having specified gem 'cucumber-nagios', :git => '<github...>' installs all of the dependencies, except cucumber-nagios itself.
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<theharshest> can anyone tell me how to resolve version dependency conflicts like "Gem::ConflictError: Unable to activate mida-0.3.8, because nokogiri-1.4.7 conflicts with nokogiri (>= 1.5)" in pry?
<theharshest> havenwood, suggestions please
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<centrx> theharshest, Why are you using nokogiri-1.4.7 ?
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<sevenseacat> upgrade nokogiri
<centrx> 1.4.7 July 1, 2011 (199 KB)
<centrx> Your version is officially three years old
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<jvargas> hi there. i'm a but confused about how to tell 'bundle' to use my ruby 1.9.3 version instead of 1.8
<OffTheRails> have `ruby "1.9.3"` at top of Gemfile
<jvargas> by default it uses ruby 1.9.3, but I do have installed 1.9.3 too. Have any idea how to tell bundle to run with ruby 1.9.3? I need this because a gem requires this ruby version.
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<havenwood> theharshest: as they said, i'd expect nokogiri 1.5+ to work: gem update nokogiri
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<theharshest> centrx, svenseacat - thanks, but now when I require "mida", then do require "opengraph", I get "Gem::ConflictError: Unable to activate opengraph-0.0.4, because nokogiri-1.6.3.1 conflicts with nokogiri (~> 1.4.0"
<havenwood> jvargas: So you're using 1.8 but need to use 1.9 for a gem?
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<havenwood> jvargas: What os/distro?
<theharshest> havenwood: I get this error when I require "mida" and "opengraph"
<havenwood> jvargas: How'd you install Ruby?
<jvargas> OffTheRails: Just did, but it still uses 1.8.7, this is the error:
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<jvargas> "Your Ruby version is 1.8.7, but your Gemfile specified 1.9.3"
<havenwood> theharshest: Using Bundler?
<OffTheRails> how about using rvm or rbenv?
<jvargas> havenwood: ubuntu 12.04, via apt-get
<OffTheRails> add .ruby-version to your directory
<OffTheRails> no, screw apt-get
<havenwood> jvargas: Use update-alternatives to select the Ruby and Gem you want.
<OffTheRails> uninstall, install rvm or rbenv
<theharshest> havenwood: no, I'm not sure if it works with pry
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<havenwood> jvargas: sudo update-alternatives --config ruby
<havenwood> jvargas: sudo update-alternatives --config gem
<OffTheRails> or simply rvm install 1.9.3
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<OffTheRails> echo "ruby-1.9.3" > .ruby-gemset
<OffTheRails> ugh...
<OffTheRails> echo "ruby-1.9.3" > .ruby-version
<havenwood> jvargas: update-alternatives works fine to switch between the apt packaged Rubies, or you can install and swap between Rubies with ruby-install/chruby, RVM or ruby-build/rbenv.
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<havenwood> jvargas: Or just remove 1.8 from your system. :P
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<havenwood> jvargas: If you go the update-alternatives route, make sure to `sudo gem install bundler` on 1.9.
<jvargas> havenwood: okay, just ran update-alternatives. But it displayed 1.9.1, not 1.9.3, and somehow /usr/bin/ruby1.9.3 is a symlink to /usr/bin/ruby1.9.1
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<havenwood> jvargas: Debian, bless them, call 1.9.3 by the ABI number 1.9.1.
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<benzrf> mfw
<havenwood> jvargas: That's 1.9.3, no worry.
<benzrf> havenwood: why is that anyway
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<sevenseacat> and this is why we dont use apt packages for ruby
<havenwood> benzrf: 1.9.1 was never a stable release, historical stuff I guess, but a source of mass ongoing confusion. >.>
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<havenwood> sevenseacat: hehe
<jvargas> havenwood: bundler continues trying to use 1.8.7, but ruby -.version displays: ruby 1.9.3p0
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<havenwood> jvargas: Did you install bundler on 1.9.3?
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<havenwood> jvargas: Bundler is a gem. It doesn't ship with Ruby.
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<havenwood> jvargas: Once you've installed it, double check: which bundle
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<jvargas> havenwood: `gem install bundler` installed bundler 1.6.5
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<havenwood> jvargas: And?: command -v bundle
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<fly2web> what is Ruby on Rails?
<centrx> Don't answer that. It's a trick.
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<fly2web> centrx == shevy
<fly2web> havenwood: thanks :)
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<jvargas> havenwood: after installing bundler again, it continues using 1.8.
<havenwood> fly2web: Rails channel is #rubyonrails.
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<havenwood> jvargas: confirm the `ruby`, `gem`, and `bundle` you're using
<jvargas> havenwood: I noticed "bundle" command is at "/usr/local/bin", and it has a leading "#!/usr/bin/ruby1.8" at the top
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<fly2web> thanks havenwood
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<havenwood> jvargas: Once you have 1.9 Ruby and Gem selected: sudo gem install bundler
<havenwood> jvargas: should work from there
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<havenwood> fly2web: Rails has good guides, but yeah, #rubyonrails: http://guides.rubyonrails.org
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<fly2web> oh thanks havenwood :)
<benzrf> fly2web: rails is a framework for making web sites
<benzrf> fly2web: there are other options
<benzrf> rails may or may not fit your needs
<havenwood> one of many Rack frameworks
<benzrf> it has a terrible community :[
<havenwood> Lotus codebase really does look nice. I look forward to trying a project in it.
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<fly2web> oh Rails is same django in pyton
<fly2web> python
<havenwood> fly2web: Flask is to Sinatra as Django is to Rails.
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<sevenseacat> i tried to get started with lotus, i couldnt make heads or tails out of it
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<jvargas> havenwood: i forgot to run update-alternatives for gem. I'm running "bundle install" now, let's see what happens.
<havenwood> sevenseacat: Aye, a bit overwhelming all at once.
<sevenseacat> after a couple of hours i couldnt even get a template to render so i gave up
<havenwood> sevenseacat: But just making a trivial app with lotus-router seemed nice at least. ;)
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<OffTheRails> benzrf, explain your "rails has a terrible community" statement. Have any substance, or you just trolling?
<robscormack> hi, an off topic question... did anyone watch a video about developers and mental illnesses? I need help for a friend.
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<robscormack> but can't find it :s
<OffTheRails> is that "friend" you, rob?
<havenwood> sevenseacat: For simple my fav lately is Hobbit! https://github.com/patriciomacadden/hobbit#readme
<robscormack> OffTheRails, no, I'm not a developer.
<sevenseacat> robscormack: i've watched several, were you looking for one in particular?
<robscormack> sevenseacat hmmm I think it was during a rubyconf.
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<sevenseacat> then it will likely be on http://confreaks.com/
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<robscormack> let's see.
<fly2web> http://pastebin.com/BcTFCmqZ <— i don’t know this style.
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<robscormack> thanks sevenseacat, havenwood
<robscormack> i recognised the name of Greg Baugues, so yes
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<sevenseacat> yes i watched his talk on devs and depression
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<robscormack> thank you!
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<benzrf> OffTheRails: my apologies, most of my knowledge of it is 2nd hand, so if you disagree im not going to argue with you.
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<robscormack> rails has a terrific community. sure, there is a bunch of a**holes here and there, but I found many good people around.
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<sevenseacat> theres assholes everywhere you go
<sevenseacat> doesnt mean the whole community sucks
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<havenwood> <3 Rubyists
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<benzrf> haskell community's better B)
<robscormack> robscormack's community is much better.
<havenwood> benzrf: But we have chunky bacon, so that's something!
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<benzrf> well haskell has warm, fuzzy things
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<havenwood> benzrf: We have foxes in that dep't.
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<robscormack> bacon and spam... chunky bacon spam, spam and bacon.
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<benzrf> havenwood: ah, but haskell has
<benzrf> uh
<benzrf> haskell has
<OffTheRails> benzrf, I don't agree or disagree. I'm just interested in your thoughts
<benzrf> some kind of animal, i am sure!
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<benzrf> OffTheRails: i dont really feel like getting into an internet [not argument, but thing where i present a case anyway]
<benzrf> im tired
<benzrf> and i have a poor case anyway
<OffTheRails> fair enough
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<robscormack> we have coffee too
<OffTheRails> just prepared to explain yourself when you make such statements, or obviously be called out
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<benzrf> [one of the creators of haskell once lamented that they shouldve renamed monads "warm, fuzzy things" so that people wouldnt get so intimidated]
<benzrf> >A Warm, fuzzy thing is a type constructor with two operations, implementing a standard interface and following a few simple rules.
<benzrf> >The Warm, fuzzy thing type class tells you the interface (what operations you've got, and their types), the Warm, fuzzy thing laws tell you what all types implementing that interface should have in common.
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<robscormack> why comparing haskell to Ruby then?
<benzrf> robscormack: because im an argumentative asshole
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<benzrf> and therefore i love to evangelize and compare things
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<robscormack> pick one and be happy... pick both and be happy... I'm a PostgreSQL fan but I don't compare it to MongoDB.
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<eam> you should. comparing things is one of the fundamental ways to learn and reason about them
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<robscormack> eam: but those two are like apples and oranges.
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<robscormack> (in my mind, comparing PostgreSQL with Rails is like comparing apples and lettuces)
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<robscormack> havenwood, sevenseacat yep, it was this one
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<pontiki> hi, rubyists
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<centrx> This channel has been taken over by Haskellites
<pontiki> ah so
<benzrf> centrx: the demonym is haskeller
* pontiki rides up on her OCaml
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<OffTheRails> haha
<benzrf> >using a strict, impure language
<benzrf> >for fp
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<pontiki> benzrf: repeat "bleat" 3
<pontiki> ;;
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<benzrf> replicateM 3 bleat
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<benzrf> where bleat = putStr "bleat "
<OffTheRails> single "=" ?
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<benzrf> OffTheRails: what do YOU use for binding?
<OffTheRails> is that comparison?
<OffTheRails> oh, sorry
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<OffTheRails> I have no idea what you're coding in
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<OffTheRails> just looks like a query
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<benzrf> getIrcUser "OffTheRails" >>= teach Haskell
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<OffTheRails> figured it was. can't wait to jump into it myself
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<benzrf> OffTheRails: its fun
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<benzrf> the #1 use of haskell is unfairly short fibbonaci-generating 1-liners
<benzrf> for example, fix(scanl(+)0.(1:))
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<sevenseacat> only thing i remember from learning haskell at uni was that you could implement merge sort really short and sweet
<sevenseacat> and all the x:xs stuff
<benzrf> tsk
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<pontiki> (repeat 3 "bleat")
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<benzrf> replicate 3 "bleat"
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<benzrf> forever $ getBleat >>= putBleat
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<robscormack> FOR A AS INTEGER = 1 TO 10 STEP 1
<robscormack> PRINT "bleat"
<robscormack> NEXT A
<robscormack> I win? :D
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<benzrf> nah
<OffTheRails> robscormack, what is that? basic?
<robscormack> yep
<OffTheRails> beautiful
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<robscormack> you know what would be nice? to enable flooding protection in #cobol :X
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<pontiki> except you'd have to write the COBOL program....
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<robscormack> pontiki: I meant the channel. Flood protection kicks you from a channel if you write more than X lines in a second
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<pontiki> i do know that...
<pontiki> i was assuming you meant pasting in a COBOL program that would flood the channel
<pontiki> and you'd have to have a COBOL program handy to do that with, so you'd probably have to write one.
<mr_snowf1ake> write ruby to generate the cobol program! :D
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<robscormack> I have a few that I wrote :X
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<pontiki> i will not admit to writing any
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<northfurr> should i use double quotes or apostrophes for strings when writing in ruby
<benzrf> northfurr: its mostly a matter of convention
<northfurr> also… underscore > camelCase?
<benzrf> northfurr: snake_case_will_always_trump_lame_camelCase
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<benzrf> northfurr: i usually use single quote for predefined or magic strings
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<benzrf> northfurr: basically, strings that are closer to symbols i usually go with singles
<pontiki> there's a school of thought that says to use double quotes because you *might* later stick in some interpolation and forget to change them
<pontiki> i call hogwash on that
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<northfurr> i’m just in the habit of using double quotes D:
<pontiki> plain strings get single quotes, complex strings get double
<pontiki> some get %q and %Q, too, depending
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<pontiki> it's ok, northfurr, it's somewhat a matter of taste / preference / imprinting
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<pontiki> your code would *really* have to be near an edge if the difference in performace between them became important
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<robscormack> if you find yourself struggling with code quality, try using rubocop to check guidelines
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<chipotle> anyone here read the new edition of the well grounded rubyist?
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<chipotle> i'm learning ruby, i finished learn to program with chris pine, will this be a good book to go into next to learn how to make ruby programs?
<chipotle> or is there a better way? i want to start building webapps in ruby rather than php (drupal)...
<chipotle> so RoR or sinatra, i guess?
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<arup_r> Hi All. I have one question.
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<arup_r> Suppose I want to define a method, which happens to be as *begin*. But there is a keyword of the same name exist. Should I give it a name as __begin__ or _begin ?
<arup_r> Which convention should I follow ?
<davidcelis> name it `start` instead
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<jle`> i want to name a function `if`
<sevenseacat> +1 davidcelis
<arup_r> Is _begin or __begin__ not good convention ?
<davidcelis> jle`: no
<jle`> :P
<davidcelis> arup_r: if i saw a method called _begin or __begin__ i would think it had something to do with the keyword begin and that strange metaprogramming was going on.
<mozzarella> smells python in here
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<davidcelis> __begin__ i would think was some sort of Ruby keyword like __dir__ or __FILE__
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<davidcelis> _begin would make me think that it's a hidden method i shouldn't look at
<Hanmac> PS: you can name a method "begin" but you need self.begin to call it
<davidcelis> best just to come up with a different word.
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<eam> @if = $begin = lambda {}
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<mozzarella> >> def test wut; 'hiphip' end; test wut
<Mon_Robot> mozzarella: => "hiphip" (https://eval.in/172878)
<arup_r> davidcelis: I am trying to follow this - http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.2/Object.html#method-i-send
<mozzarella> I think I'm going to start using whitespaces instead of underscores from now on
<davidcelis> arup_r: those are aliases
<arup_r> sevenseacat: Thanks for your appreciations..
<arup_r> Actually this line - *You can use __send__ if the name send clashes with an existing method in obj.*
<sevenseacat> doesnt mean its a good idea to knowingly give your method a clashing name when there are alternatives available
<davidcelis> ^
<eam> >> def test wut % real whitespace end; test wut
<Mon_Robot> eam: => SyntaxError: (eval):1: syntax error, unexpected '%', expecting ';' or '\n'... (https://eval.in/172879)
<arup_r> davidcelis: What is *hidden* method in Ruby ? I am aware of *private* methods only.
<eam> oh now why not
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<davidcelis> arup_r: i just used hidden as an intention from the author. it's a convention used for "this is an under the hood thing, you don't need to look at this" methods
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<eam> >> def test wut; % real whitespace end; test wut
<Mon_Robot> eam: => "real whitespace" (https://eval.in/172880)
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<arup_r> davidcelis: Ok
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<arup_r> sevenseacat: If there is really a situation, what will be your choice ? That's my question.
<sevenseacat> my choice would be to rename the method
<sevenseacat> i have never once used send to cover clashing method names
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<kristofers> Hey could anyone tell me the equivalent of this in php : if entry[0...minlen] != prefix[0...minlen]
<davidcelis> arup_r: her suggestion is the same as mine; come up with a different word that is as descriptive but doesn't clash with a built-in ruby keyword
<davidcelis> why not something like `start`?
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<eam> or initialize
<davidcelis> ...
<davidcelis> not really helpful :P
<eam> :)
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<arup_r> eam: I will give you Ruby hero prize next year. Lollz
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<arup_r> davidcelis: Who is her ? :)
<davidcelis> the other person suggesting the same thing i am. sevenseacat.
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<arup_r> Ok.. I was not aware of that. You people are so rude <joking>
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<davidcelis> i don't think anybody's really been rude
<arup_r> Loll.. I was joking..
<eam> arguably I have
<davidcelis> true
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<davidcelis> eam: lol
<arup_r> davidcelis: You guys are awesome ;)
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<chipotle> anyone here read the new edition of the well grounded rubyist? it covers ruby 2.1
<chipotle> i'm learning ruby, i finished learn to program with chris pine, will this be a good book to go into next to learn how to make ruby programs?
<chipotle> or is there a better way? i want to start building webapps in ruby rather than php (drupal)...
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<chipotle> so RoR or sinatra is what i have to learn once i learn ruby?
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<arup_r> sevenseacat: Thanks
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<sevenseacat> arup_r: youre welcome
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<belozi> Can anyone here help me with carrierwave?
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<robscormack> belozi, yes
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<robscormack> chipotle: learn sinatra first, that will give you a big picture.
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<robscormack> rails has more magic involved, so you may feel a bit overwhelmed by the framework if you come from PHP
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<sevenseacat> unless you have experience with one of the PHP frameworks based on rails
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<belozi> I'm trying to set a default image and I can't find an example of how to do that.
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<sevenseacat> tis in the readme.
<belozi> Ok, I have this: # def default_url
<belozi> # # For Rails 3.1+ asset pipeline compatibility:
<belozi> # #ActionController::Base.helpers.asset_path("fallback/" + [version_name, "default.png"].compact.join('_'))
<belozi> # "/images/fallback/" + [Rails, "default.png"].compact.join('_')
<belozi> #
<belozi> # end
<belozi> but IDK how to fill in the path to the image
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<sevenseacat> what image?
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<belozi> The default image
<robscormack> that should help
<belozi> IDK what this: "/images/fallback/" + [version_name, "default.png"].compact.join('_'), is asking for
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<sevenseacat> 'i dont know how to fill in the path to the image' i presume you have an image you want to use?
<sevenseacat> its asking for a path to an image
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<belozi> yeah, but version of what?
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<Hanmac> belozi: why not #RubyOnRails ?
<belozi> what is compact.join(' ') for?
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<sevenseacat> becaise [version_name, default.png] is an array
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<robscormack> version_name is for the processed images
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<robscormack> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/40b118d120eae265648c <--- see this, I have a number of versions that I process as :large, :medium, :small and :thumb... that's the name going there.
<belozi> I'm confused, should I put "version_name" there, or should it be the version of Rails?
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<robscormack> you should put version_name, it's internally controlled by Carrierwave.
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<sevenseacat> what... version name is the name of the version of the object
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<belozi> I looked at that rob, all is see is the template, not an acrual example
<belozi> *actual
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<robscormack> it's a working example.
<sevenseacat> how is that not an actual example?
<belozi> Oh!
<robscormack> and a very nice one (ok, no)
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<belozi> okay, hold on, let me try it.
<belozi> brb
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<belozi> hmmm...that doesn't work.
<belozi> Do I need to include Minimagick?
<sevenseacat> for a default image? no.
<sevenseacat> code?
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<robscormack> !code
<belozi> def default_url
<belozi> image_name = [version_name, 'community_guilds.png'].compact.join('_')
<belozi> end
<belozi> ActionController::Base.helpers.asset_path "fallback/#{image_name}"
<sevenseacat> ok, and whats the problem with it
<belozi> The image doesn't show up
<sevenseacat> thats not helpful
<sevenseacat> what URL is it generating
<belozi> Hold on, let me check something
<dopiee> hey sevenseacat you feeling better?
<sevenseacat> dopiee: i'll live. thanks for asking :)
<robscormack> do you have the image in public/assets/fallback/community_guilds.png?
<robscormack> sevenseacat, what happened to you?
<davidcelis> sevenseacat: what is wrong with you
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<belozi> <img alt="Community guilds" src="/fallback/community_guilds.png">
<dopiee> thats good!
<dopiee> happy to hear you are at least going to live :)
<belozi> It's in the images folder in my app/assets
<sevenseacat> so not in the fallback folder?
<belozi> I guess that I should make folder called fallback and copy the image in there?
<belozi> no
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<belozi> Ok, that didn't work either
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<belozi> Sweet! I got it to work
<belozi> Turns out, I don't need to make a folder called "assets!"
<sevenseacat> woo!
<belozi> Thanks, guys!
<sevenseacat> o.O
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<robscormack> that's an error in my code, I assume.
<robscormack> fixing it :X
<robscormack> sevenseacat what happened?
<sevenseacat> no, im pretty sure belozi just doesnt know what hes doing
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<robscormack> it's right, afaik the fallback image doesn't need to be in app/assets.
<sevenseacat> it doesnt, but then you dont need the asset pipeline asset_path helpers
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<robscormack> ok, now I'm confused, wrote this piece of code in 1776 during the declaration of independence of the U.S.
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<belozi> That's nice seveneacat.
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<belozi> This is the first time that I've user carrier wave
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<mozzarella> does ruby have a call operator?
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<robscormack> yeah, sure, call 1-800-USE-RUBY...
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<robscormack> ok, now on the serious one: yep, it does.
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<realityloop> Could someone please help me to get therubyracer installed? I'm currently getting errors when trying.. http://privatepaste.com/5ab5bf0dbe
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<mozzarella> realityloop: install v8
<robscormack> realityloop gem install libv8
<realityloop> mozzarella: v8 was installed earlier..
<realityloop> mozzarella: but trying again anyway
<realityloop> and it errored again
<robscormack> realityloop what OS?
<realityloop> mozzarella: uninstalling both and trying again
<realityloop> Debian Wheezy
<robscormack> then uninstall v8 and install therubyracer plain simple.
<robscormack> gem uninstall v8
<realityloop> robscormack: doing that now
<robscormack> sorry, libv8
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<mozzarella> therubyracer pulls libv8 as a dependency I think
<realityloop> mozzarella: I blieve it's supposed to
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<robscormack> since libv8 is just a C library, having it installed prior to installing therubyracer causes conflicts
<realityloop> robscormack: so remove and then just install therubyracer?
<realityloop> remove libv8 I mean
<robscormack> yes sir
<realityloop> robscormack: it build succesfully after uninstalling libv8 and therubyracer and then installing libv8 and therubyracer
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<robscormack> that's not what I was meant but cool!
<realityloop> robscormack: I'm trying to run bundle install after removing them both again
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<mozzarella> robscormack: how do you define the call operator?
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<robscormack> &:method
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<mozzarella> what
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<robscormack> ah, sorry
<robscormack> nm, let me wake up
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<robscormack> mozzarella: procs, lambdas and blocks are Proc objects. what are you doing?
<realityloop> robscormack: any idea why when I gem install them as root it works, but when I sudo -u git -H bundle install it doesn't..
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<robscormack> realityloop: are you using a Ruby version manager?
<realityloop> not that I'm aware of
<realityloop> is there an easy way to tell?
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<robscormack> how did you install Ruby?
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<realityloop> as per gitlab instructions.. ie. download and compile
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<robscormack> I see
<robscormack> lemme check
<realityloop> ^ if you want to see the excat commands
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<realityloop> in step 2
<robscormack> you're not using a Ruby version manager
<realityloop> robscormack: didn't think so
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<robscormack> well, you installed Ruby as the root user
<robscormack> then the gems are installed as the root user, but you're sudoing to the git user.
<realityloop> so I should redo ruby install that as the git user??
<robscormack> no, there's an easier way
<robscormack> hold on, lemme find it for you
<realityloop> robscormack: thanks
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<robscormack> or instead of sudo -u git, you can use sudo -u root for everything saying "bundle install"
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<robscormack> gosh I hate gitlab.
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<realityloop> robscormack: I have a love/hate relationship with it
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<robscormack> realityloop once you installed it, it's perfect. the painful thing is installing it.
<realityloop> robscormack: well this is an update
<sevenseacat> i think gitlab is awesome
<realityloop> between major versions tho
<robscormack> sevenseacat I agree. it's just that installing/updating is painful if you're drunk.
<sevenseacat> ah ive never had to do that, im just a user :P
<realityloop> robscormack: and sometimes when your sober too
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<realityloop> argh.. it's failing even as root now
<robscormack> realityloop I never had to do that. I don't define myself as a developer having problems with drinking but as a drunk having problems with development.
<realityloop> heh
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<realityloop> robscormack: this is whats happening currently http://privatepaste.com/7a5111caeb
<realityloop> I wonder if I need it to be a 32bit version..
<robscormack> I think I have a better solution for you :X
<robscormack> install nodejs and remove 'therubyracer' from the Gemfile.
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<realityloop> I have to go home now..
<realityloop> robscormack: thanks for your help so far
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<robscormack> np, have a safe trip back home!
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<belozi> Ok, I broke it again.
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<belozi> Before I forgot to migrate for the row containing the image
<belozi> When I migrated, it stopped working
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<sevenseacat> thats quite vague
<belozi> Now, the route that it's looking for is for the image under the user index
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<belozi> For some reason it's not defaulting to the fallback folder
<sevenseacat> code?
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<belozi> I've moved the folder around
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<belozi> <img alt="Community guilds" src="/uploads/user/pic/6/community_guilds.png">
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<sevenseacat> and how are you generating that URL
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<belozi> Development tools
<belozi> Chrome
<sevenseacat> guh?
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<sevenseacat> not sure you know what the fallback is for
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<belozi> I used development tools to find out which route it searching for the image at
<sevenseacat> its at view render time 'if this file doesnt exist, use this instead'
<belozi> right
<sevenseacat> so making up URLs in your dev toolbar isnt going to do anything
<belozi> So there is no file, but it's still looking for an image in that url
<sevenseacat> because you're telling it to
<belozi> I went through the html code for the image and copied it
<sevenseacat> the fallback is used *at view render time*
<sevenseacat> not at URL request time
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<belozi> Ok, so why does it not look for the fallback folder when the image is missing?
<belozi> I don't understand
<sevenseacat> when?
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<sevenseacat> be very specific about when and where you are requesting this image
<sevenseacat> and how
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<sevenseacat> that answers none of those questions
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<sevenseacat> what code are you using to output that HTML
<belozi> def default_url
<belozi> image_name = [version_name, 'community_guilds.png'].compact.join('_')
<belozi> ActionController::Base.helpers.asset_path "fallback/#{image_name}"
<belozi> end
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<sevenseacat> that doesnt output anything
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<sevenseacat> that just defines a method
<belozi> <%= image_tag @user.pic_url.to_s %>
<robscormack> don't use .to_s to the end.
<sevenseacat> +1
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<belozi> ok brb
<robscormack> also, it should be sth like @user.pic.url
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<robscormack> no?
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<robscormack> (gosh it's frozen here)
<sevenseacat> i would just do @user.pic if pic is the uploader
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<robscormack> i wouldn't but I'm nuts.
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<belozi> pic is the uploader
<belozi> It's still not working
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<robscormack> code
<belozi> public/assets/fallback/community_guilds.png
<belozi> <%= image_tag @user.pic_url %>
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<belozi> hold on
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<robscormack> sigh.
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<belozi> This doesn't work either: <%= image_tag @user.pic %>
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<robscormack> what does it throw?
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<belozi> The same thing as the pic before
<belozi> I think it's an issue with where the default image is located
<sevenseacat> its not going near the default URL
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<belozi> The pic that I uploaded works fine
<belozi> It's just the route for the fallback folder that's the problem, I think
<sevenseacat> ten bucks says you uploaded an image, and then removed the image from the server, and expected rails to somehow know this
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<sevenseacat> rails knows you uploaded a file, and the path to that file when it saved it
<sevenseacat> again, its not looking for the fallback at all
<belozi> yep, there was a temp folder for the previous image that I deleted
<robscormack> belozi, don't delete images by yourself, let carrierwave do it 4u
<sevenseacat> if you delete the image manually, you need to tell your model that it no longer has an image
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<belozi> I rolled back a migration, because I put a default image in the migration
<sevenseacat> otherwise it will try to render the image you saved
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<sevenseacat> even though it doesnt exist
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<belozi> I saved the first image under the first user, and uploaded another image. That one is working. It's the default image that's the problem, though. So how do I tell the model that I deleted an image?
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<robscormack> @user.pic = nil
<robscormack> @user.save
<sevenseacat> i suggest you read it.
<robscormack> duh, I'm dumb.
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<belozi> Will reseting the database fix the problem?
<belozi> *resetting
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<sevenseacat> its the equivalent of using a nuke instead of a hammer, but sure
<robscormack> yes but that's like committing suicide for losing USD $1
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<belozi> So I should go to the console and what? Type User.all = nil?
<sevenseacat> thats... not how to reset a database
<belozi> no, I meant the other way
<sevenseacat> did you look at the link I posted?
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<belozi> @user.remove_avatar!
<belozi> @user.save
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<robscormack> dat 1
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<sevenseacat> now did you try that, except using your own instance and uploader name?
<belozi> That will clear them all?
<sevenseacat> no
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<belozi> I do that in the console, right?
<sevenseacat> it'll delete the image from the instance in @user
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<belozi> So it's the image that I uploaded to a different user that's causing the problem with this one?
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<robscormack> uh, wat.
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<robscormack> nonsense
* sevenseacat blinks
<belozi> The one that I uploaded the image to works fine.
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<sevenseacat> whichever one is causing the problem, fix that one.
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<belozi> Ok I nuked the database
<belozi> It still isn't working
<robscormack> lol
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<robscormack> rake db:migraine
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<robscormack> can you share the code and your file tree?
<sevenseacat> belozi: for about the fifth time, define 'isnt working'
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<sevenseacat> otherwise my response will just be 'fix it then'
<belozi> The default image isn't rendering
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<robscormack> what does it say in firebug?
<Hanmac> belozi: still using Rails?
<belozi> IDK what I firebug is
<belozi> Hanmac: I just started
<sevenseacat> are you actually rendering the default image this time?
<sevenseacat> or trying to anyway
<Hanmac> belozi: and why ddidnt you follow my advice to use #RubyOnRails as channel for help?
<belozi> I'm trying
<sevenseacat> code?
<belozi> <%= image_tag @user.pic %>
<sevenseacat> and what HTML is that generating
<sevenseacat> the reason i keep asking is because it will be different depending on your @user data
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<sevenseacat> so your user with ID 2 has a saved picture
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<sevenseacat> thats not the fallback image
<belozi> no
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<tobiasvl> is the url generated with "localhost" domain?
<belozi> It doesn't that's the fallback image that's supposed to be rendering
<belozi> That's new
<sevenseacat> thats not the fallback image
<robscormack> no, the fallback image is just /fallback/comm... that
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<belozi> It's supposed to render file but nothing is rendering
<belozi> *that
<sevenseacat> this is making my head hurt
<sevenseacat> it will render exactly what you're telling it to render
<belozi> lol
<robscormack> sevenseacat take a rest.
<sevenseacat> if you're telling it to render something that doesnt exist, then guess what
<belozi> Why is it getting the right file name, but not rendering?
<tobiasvl> belozi: what file name is that?
<tobiasvl> you never showed sevenseacat what HTML your code generated
<belozi> That's the name of the pic that should render as a default [carrierwave]
<tobiasvl> carrierwave
<tobiasvl> now i'm lost too
<sevenseacat> show us what your user ID 2 looks like
<tobiasvl> what's the default pic vs. the fallback pic?
<belozi> This: <img alt="Community guilds" src="/uploads/user/pic/2/community_guilds.png"> ?
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<amisha> can i get video call api in ruby?
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<jhass> what is "video call api"?
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<amisha> As in i am developing a web portal,in that i have to implement service for video call,so i am looking for api for the same to integrate
<jhass> I have no idea what a "video call" is
<robscormack> amisha, are you trying to integrate sth like Skype
<robscormack> ?
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<jhass> oh you mean like messaging?
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<robscormack> video calls like the ones made via skype
<jhass> amisha: investigate the possible technologies first, then search for implementations/bindings in ruby
<amisha> yes kind of skype call,
<amisha> but may not be skype
<belozi> YES!!!
<belozi> I got it!
<belozi> LOL
<sevenseacat> \o/
<robscormack> sevenseacat << Aspirin.new
<jhass> amisha: like jingle, webrtc, service providers giving that and so on
<tobiasvl> belozi: please share your solution
<amisha> okay.jingle gives service for video call?
<belozi> Thanks alot you guys!
<belozi> I appreciate your help
<robscormack> amisha, I'd go for webrtc
<belozi> Oh, for some reason the default that I had set in the migration came back
<belozi> so I rolled back the migration and deleted the default
<robscormack> duh?
<belozi> migrated it again, and got the right route
<sevenseacat> how can you have a default on a file upload field??
<sevenseacat> srsly
<belozi> Then I took the fallback folder out of the assets file and put it straight into the public field
<amisha> robscormack, so can i integrate webrtc in my portal?
<robscormack> yep
<belozi> Hey! I'm going to be working on WebRTC next week!
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<belozi> I thought that I could set the default image in the migration, like any other field
<amisha> robscormack, oh well thanks :)
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<belozi> You know how you have boolean and you just put "default: true" in the migration?
<amisha> oh thanks for the source
<belozi> I put "default: "community_guilds.png" and it prefilled the field
* sevenseacat shakes head in disbelief
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<robscormack> duh, hold on. earthquake here.
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<belozi> lol, I started learning Ruby in January
<belozi> I started learning Rails a few months ago
<robscormack> I started a few weeks ago.
<belozi> I started learning to code in January
<robscormack> ok, like 520 weeks but still counts. <-
<belozi> lol
<robscormack> belozi: let carrierwave handle the field for you
<robscormack> don't put defaults.
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<tobiasvl> you guys might be better off in #RubyOnRails
<tobiasvl> just saying
<robscormack> strike 3, out.
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<sevenseacat> not me, it's hometime!!!! *excite*
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<robscormack> what's the diff between #ruby and #rubyonrails? (and I mean the channels, not the language and the framework)
<jle`> robscormack: i'll give you three guesses :)
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<amisha> hey how to implement this step -> Install all the gems with bundle install (i am quite new to ruby on rails :P)
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<robscormack> 1.- yes, it's a stupid question. 2.- ruby itself doesn't make "choo choo". 3.- separating stuff.
<tobiasvl> robscormack: well for one I've never used rails so I don't care much for rails stuff in this channel
<robscormack> amisha: go #rubyonrails.
<belozi> amisha: just type "bundle install"
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<amisha> i did that onle,its saying command not found
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<tobiasvl> gem install bundler
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<Gx4> hello
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<robscormack> hi
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<shevy> amisha the gem name is bundler, it has a file called bin/bundle, hence the confusion
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<realityloop> robscormack: I found the cause of the issue installing therubyracer, but not sure how to fix it..
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<robscormack> tell me
<realityloop> robscormack: 32-bit Ruby build on 64-bit kernel
<realityloop> but therubyracer tries to build libv8 as 64bit
<robscormack> friendly advice? use rbenv
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<ptrrr> hey, I have a question
<ptrrr> how come this works?
<arup_r> shevy: Hi
<ptrrr> I though Array#map only called the block with one parameter
<arup_r> How are you ?
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<arup_r> ptrrr: nums.drop(1) gives you [2,3]
<arup_r> and then
<jhass> ptrrr: that's right, and that one parameter is an array. Block parameters automatically decompose arrays
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<amisha> shevy, okay
<arup_r> you did [1,2,3].zip([2,3])
<ptrrr> they do! awesome
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<ptrrr> thanks jhass
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<jhass> ptrrr: you can even get fancier, like |foo, (bar, *baz)| to decompose nested structures
<arup_r> ptrrr: You got the answer of yours?
<ptrrr> jhass: I went with |(x1, x2)| initially, but that’s overkill then
<ptrrr> arup_r: yup
<ptrrr> thanks anyway
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<arup_r> cool
<arup_r> shevy is busy now-a-days
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<belozi> I can see that I will be spending all of my programming time tomorrow working with carrierwave. How complicated is using carrierwave n comparison to other gems like Mandrill?
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<arup_r> belozi: There can be an explosion.. Be careful.. ;)
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<belozi> lol!
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<belozi> I can't figure out how to join other rooms, does mIRC block you from doing that if your trial has expired?
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<ptrrr> /join doesn’t work?
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<belozi> nope
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<ptrrr> heh. are you getting any messages in the server window?
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<ptrrr> maybe it’s the server rejecting your join
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<belozi> Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
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<ptrrr> yeah register your nick (NickServ) and identify
<ptrrr> then you’ll be able to join
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<amisha> robscormack, hey is there any better option than web-rtc
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<robscormack> not sure, why?
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<amisha> because itz just providing call and chat option,no options to mute
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<belozi> How do I register?
<jhass> belozi: /msg NickServ help
<belozi> How do I do that?
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<belozi> Oh, nvm.
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<robscormack> amisha, I don't know anything
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<robscormack> amisha it seems it's implemented: https://code.google.com/p/webrtc/issues/detail?id=917
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<shevy> arup_r I had to leave here for a while :P
<arup_r> :(
<arup_r> We need you..
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<shevy> I won't live forever man
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<belozi> Where are you guys from?
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<arup_r> shevy: Great!
<arup_r> belozi: I am from Moon.. came here to drink some water
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<arup_r> belozi: There is no water
<belozi> lol!
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<fly2web> Hello
<jhass> hi
<fly2web> :)
<belozi> hey
<fly2web> oh yes
<fly2web> my popularity is flowed.
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<fly2web> overflow
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<fly2web> hello everyone
<fly2web> every ruby programmar
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<tobiasvl> yes hello
<fly2web> oh
<fly2web> very nice
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<fly2web> ? are simply constant names that you don’t have to predeclare and that are guaranteed to be unique. <—— what is ?
<fly2web> what is ‘?’?
<canton7> context?
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<fly2web> hahaha
<fly2web> no
<fly2web> canton7:
<canton7> no, as in, where did you get that quote from?
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<fly2web> i got it from ‘programing Ruby 1.9 & 2.0'
<fly2web> you don’t know it?
<canton7> I don't recognise that quote by heart, no
<canton7> I'm wondering whether it's a character encoding issue or something :P
<fly2web> ???? are simply constant names that you don’t have to predeclare and that are guaranteed to be unique.
<fly2web> do you know ????
<canton7> apparently the original text has 'Symbols' there
<workmad3> fly2web: are you talking about symbols?
<fly2web> yes great
<fly2web> workmad3:
<canton7> not sure what effed up copy you're reading :P
<jhass> fly2web: what's your IRC clients encoding set to?
<canton7> ooh it was a test of sorts
<czaks> utf-8
<canton7> that wasn't clear ;)
<workmad3> ^^
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<czaks> jhass:
<fly2web> :)
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<workmad3> fly2web: your intention there was as clear as my coffee ;)
<canton7> random test phrased as a genuine problem!
<fly2web> thanks workmad3
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<belozi> Does anyone do anything with ruby besides build web apps?
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<canton7> random little cli apps
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<canton7> data manipulating
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<belozi> So I'm building an app that will help walk elementary school and middle school students through a project where they find a problem and build a solution to the problem. The project will last about a month. Does anyone want to take a shot at how they would go about modelling something like that?
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<ARM9> why are you building it already if you don't even have a design document
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<belozi> I'm not, I'm thinking about how I would model it, I just set up the users and authentication stuff so far.
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<belozi> I haven't built the working parts yet.
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<belozi> I want them to submit problems, vote on them, submit solutions, vote on them so that they can pick a problem and the best way to solve it. Then I want to be able to keep a record of what gets done daily, and generate a final report at the end.
<pontiki> belozi: i'd not think about modeling, but about the tasks the kids would be doing on the site
<canton7> use-cases!
<pontiki> use cases! use cases! use cases!
<pontiki> :D
<ARM9> developers developers developers
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<pontiki> location! location! location! ..wait..
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<jhass> all your "solutions" require own thinking! :(
<pontiki> all your solutions belong to us!
<belozi> lol...I was just curious about how hard this would be for a newbie.
<pontiki> what's your ultimate goal?
<pontiki> for this project i mean, not death
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<ARM9> to get with their moms
<belozi> I'm building an app to help out a non-profit.
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<belozi> I won't have any contact with the kids...or their moms. :(
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<pontiki> do you have kids in that age range?
<jhass> start with some mockups, define some usecases, build a UI prototype
<pontiki> ^
<jhass> don't start with the backend logic, it'll come naturally
<jhass> (for such a small project)
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<pontiki> or if it doesn't, that probably means you have the front end wrong...
<belozi> ok
<jhass> you don't even have to settle on a server side technology yet
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<pontiki> s'truth, there might not *be* one
<pontiki> (but there probably is)
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<gervx> chunky bacon!
<wasamasa> omnom
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<fly2web> If i read ‘Programming ruby 1.9&2.0’ then i m good at ruby.
<pontiki> no
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<phutchins> lol
<fly2web> why? pontiki
<pontiki> you will never be good at anything if all you do is read, except reading
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<fly2web> why? pontiki
<pontiki> asked and answered
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<apeiros> fly2web: I read a book about judo. am I good at judo now?
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<wasamasa> there's no divine IRC punishment for being stupid, right
<pontiki> well, yes there is, wasamasa
<fly2web> yes you can apeiros
<ddv> doesn't matter what you do you will never be as good as ddv
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<fly2web> i want hack bank system by ruby. is it possible?
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<pontiki> no
<fly2web> why? pontiki
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<pontiki> why do you think?
<pontiki> you tell me
<ddv> lol
<fly2web> i want be rich with hacking bank system.
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<pontiki> tell why it's not possible
<apeiros> fly2web: that's cool. it takes me ~6-8h to read a book. so in just about 2 weeks I can become a good martial artist in 14 arts!
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<apeiros> why on earth do people spend years in dojos training? just read a book.
<tobiasvl> "I know kung fu"
<belozi> I've read "The Book of Ruby," most of "Beginning Ruby: From Novice to Professional," done the Ruby track on codeacademy twice, and completed the "Michael Hartl Rails Tutorial" 3 times...I am not and expert. (._. )
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<pontiki> tobiasvl: i know kung fu and you're no kung fu
<fly2web> ok
<pontiki> it takes 10,000 hours of practice (not reading) to become world class
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<fly2web> then we cooperate each other, then we can hack world bank?
<pontiki> reading is a prerequisite to acquiring knowledge
<ddv> lol
<pontiki> but it is not that actual acquisition of a skill
<fly2web> we are more than 800
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<pontiki> you will never be enough
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<pontiki> even if you had 8 billion
<ptrrr> what if you’re 10,000 people practicing? is one hour per person enough in that case?
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<pontiki> lol
<ptrrr> teamwork!
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<workmad3> ptrrr: sure... in the same way that 9 women can have a baby in a month!
<pontiki> what do you get when you put 2 programmers together?
<pontiki> paired programming
<workmad3> pontiki: at least 4 opinions...
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<pontiki> what do you get when you put 3 programmers together?
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<pontiki> incompatible forks
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<fly2web> how about doing ruby annoymous with having #ruby’s power?
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<pontiki> then you have github
<pontiki> this has been so fun aiding your masturbation
<pontiki> but i feel all sticky now
<gervx> it's all fun and games until your code is gone
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<workmad3> gervx: and then it's still fun and games as you play 'pin the blame on the rookie'
<gervx> the only problem if the rookie is you
<pontiki> belozi: i'm glad you're starting off on a real project
<gervx> or management decides that force push is a good idea because we need that feature now in production
<fly2web> who teach me ruby, then i will give him or her $1,000,000 after 20 years
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<pontiki> you could be like the bartender and give it to them
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<gervx> fly2web so do you start paying now, like a loan?
<fly2web> start paying after 20 years $100 per month.
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<fly2web> if you die, then i will not give you anymore.
<pontiki> if you pay $1,000,000 in $100/month increments, how many years will that be?
<gervx> I believe at that rate your grandchildren would pay my grandchildren
<pontiki> write some ruby to solve that problem, fly2web
<fly2web> just use calculator. pontiki
<tobiasvl> fly2web: do you know ruby
<pontiki> no, i want to see if you can do it
<fly2web> a little.
<fly2web> tobiasvl:
<workmad3> fly2web: irb *is* my calculator :P
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<fly2web> who can teach me ruby?
<workmad3> and $100/month will get you to $1000000 after a mere 4 centuries...
<workmad3> fly2web: google can :P
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<pontiki> you can't teach someone who will not learn
<tobiasvl> fly2web: you can teach it to yourself
<jhass> workmad3: oh, that's how they make all that money!
<workmad3> pontiki: or, as my new t-shirt says, 'I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you'
<tobiasvl> fly2web: you can learn it at college
<apeiros> what will 100$ be worth in 20y?
<pontiki> oh, great t-shirt, workmad3
<fly2web> there is no subject of ruby in university
<gervx> ur in a wrong uni then
<pontiki> no, that actually is right
<workmad3> autodidactic is not a dirty word... although the education system would have you believe otherwise
<apeiros> 40% inflation in the last 20y…
<apeiros> assuming it stays the same, it'd only be ~63$
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<pontiki> you could get a cup of coffee!
<fly2web> there will be possibility of deflation.
<gervx> so ur looking like 700-800 years of payback
<apeiros> over 40y, it'd be ~21$
<pontiki> still waiting on that code, fly2web
<apeiros> over 100y: ~4$
<jhass> assuming anybody still wants $ then
<workmad3> fly2web: lets just say, if you found someone stupid enough to take you up on your '$1,000,000 in 20 years' offer, they're not likely to be a good teacher :P
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<gervx> workmad3: unless it's a lawyer that knows ruby
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<fly2web> :)
<pontiki> workmad3: that entirely depends on the lessons they're teaching
<fly2web> but i want know ruby well.
<pontiki> demonstrate you can learn anything
<gervx> well everyone has dreams
<gervx> I want to be nr 1 in Tennis
<pontiki> right now, there's nothing i've seen that would make it worth my time
<tobiasvl> I want to be nr 1 in chess
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<gervx> I have a chess set from marble
<pontiki> but there has been quite a *lot* that shows me it would be a completely frustrating and pointless experience
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<workmad3> tobiasvl: becoming #1 in chess is easy... just scoop your brain out with a melon-baller and replace it with deep-blue
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<pontiki> and yet, i'm still giving you chances, and actually hoping you'll take one
<gervx> workmad3: what about tennis ?
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<workmad3> gervx: no idea :P
<workmad3> gervx: I think there may only be the hard way there
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<pontiki> fly2web: tell me why i should keep giving you chances?
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<fly2web> pontiki: because i study hard ruby.
<lfox> how has this guy not been banned yet?
<workmad3> pontiki: because you have an irrational, unjustified amount of probability assigned to 'hope in humanity' in your utility function?
<fly2web> oh
<fly2web> :(
<fly2web> joking is necessary during studying ruby.
<pontiki> fly2web: you haven't yet shown anything
<fly2web> just studying ruby is not efficient
<shevy> lfox I dunno but I got kicked from the channel when I shut him down before
<pontiki> fly2web: i am *still* waiting on the code to solve the problem i posed
<pontiki> workmad3: i do
<fly2web> i give it yesterday.
<fly2web> already.
<shevy> lol
<pontiki> i just *asked* it
<pontiki> how could you give any code yesterday to a problem i posed about 20 minutes ago?
<workmad3> pontiki: there you go, fly2web has already created a time machine... he must be worth educating in the ways of ruby!
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<shevy> he can travel in time perhaps
<pontiki> we all travel in time
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<fly2web> pontiki: i will give you my product again?
<gervx> pontiki > uuh if you use python you can fly too!
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<pontiki> fly2web: no
<fly2web> why?
<pontiki> this problem:
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<pontiki> [20140729|0701.19] < pontiki> if you pay $1,000,000 in $100/month increments, how many years will that be?
<pontiki> [20140729|0701.25] < gervx> I believe at that rate your grandchildren would pay my grandchildren
<pontiki> [20140729|0701.35] < pontiki> write some ruby to solve that problem, fly2web
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<fly2web> are you terrible teacher?
<shevy> lol
<fly2web> pontiki:
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<pontiki> yes
<gervx> it's an easy problem
<pontiki> what's your point?
<shevy> he has been born as a troll
<gervx> I can give you a harder one if you want
<workmad3> gervx: that's what he/she said!
<realityloop> robscormack: nodejs worked instead of using therubyracer.. cheers
<tobiasvl> >> 1_000_000 / 100 / 12
<robscormack> i knew it
<Mon_Robot> tobiasvl: Something went wrong when trying to evaluate your code.
<tobiasvl> Mon_Robot: oh no
<workmad3> tobiasvl: ok... I fail today... I somehow decided there were 24 months in a year...
<gervx> you have underscores in your million
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<workmad3> gervx: that's valid
<fly2web> oh this channel is very clouded.
<fly2web> we must study with calm.
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<pontiki> lol
<pontiki> you're proposing you can actually study on IRC?
<fly2web> i m study on ruby.
<pontiki> or do you have some glamourous notion this is a collegial study group?
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<pontiki> not if you're talking on IRC you're not
<gervx> pontiki > which college do you belong to ?
<workmad3> pontiki: tbh, given my experiences of 'studying' at uni, this *could* be a study group :P
<pontiki> Hard Knocks U. gervx
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<pontiki> workmad3: then lets just hit the bars
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<fly2web> it’s secret, but i you want know that. i will say it to you.
<workmad3> pontiki: all it lacks is excessive alcohol... but for all I know, shevy could be in an alcohol-induced coma right now :)
<shevy> nah, it is too hot for that
<toretore> fly2web: tell me tell me
<pontiki> what is this "it" you refer to, fly2web
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<workmad3> pontiki: his solution to basic division!
<fly2web> i m in harvard university in USA
<gervx> it's a bit early for beer, but I'm in
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<shevy> you are in korea
<pontiki> prove it, fly2web
<fly2web> how?
<fly2web> pontiki:
<wasamasa> take a selfie
<shevy> he'll pick anyone from the www wasamasa
<pontiki> i want to see a picture of you taken with a clock in harvard square in 10 minutes
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<workmad3> fly2web: you could start by constructing sentences that approximate English...
<wasamasa> ^
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<fly2web> oh it is impossible. just believe me.
<wasamasa> we no speak engrish in #ruby
<shevy> fly2web, what does "hana" mean
<workmad3> wasamasa: I spaek england reet good
<jeaye> fly2web: i am harvard in study ruby too
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<tobiasvl> this channel is beyond saving
<jeaye> where are you
<shevy> hahaha
<pontiki> can we go back to haskell?
<wasamasa> tobiasvl: I'm pretty shocked he hasn't been kickbanned yet
<txdv> I need the html_safe function of rails in a non rails app, what do I have to include to get it? do you guys maybe know some libraries which provide similar functionality? I specifically need to convert &uuml into a utf8 char
<ARM9> go back to haskhell
<shevy> now rails leaks into ruby
<fly2web> wasamasa: i m kind and i m study hard ruby.
<toretore> txdv: so you want the opposite
<workmad3> txdv: .html_safe doesn't do any conversion
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<jeaye> fly2web: me too we can meet here harvard
<workmad3> txdv: all .html_safe does is mark a string as not-needing html escapes in a rails safe-buffer when outputting to the rendered page
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<fly2web> we must study ruby hard. so from now, we don’t say anymore.
<jeaye> i m kind
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<toretore> fly2web: jeaye is at your location, he could meet you and be your teacher
<pontiki> ah well, back on ignore
<jeaye> yes i teach twice so far
<fly2web> jeaye: but i have no time to mee you.
<workmad3> txdv: and &uuml; is an html escape code that gets rendered in the browser into a specific character...
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<tobiasvl> the problem with ignoring him is that nobody else ignores him so their replies still flood the chan
<jeaye> so busy being study yes?
<jeaye> fly2web:
<fly2web> i don’t need your help jeaye. just i will do it myself.
<txdv> is there a lib which converts a string containing &uuml into utf-8 u umlauts?
<wasamasa> txdv: let's search for html decoding
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<jeaye> ok study go on. fly2web. maybe i see at hardvard in class
<shevy> lol
<txdv> htmlentities
<shevy> he is tag teaming with himself
<workmad3> tobiasvl: I just /ignored him... had enough of poking the troll for now :)
<txdv> thanks, needed the keywords to search for
<wasamasa> txdv: yeah, knowing the right words helps tremendously
<shevy> workmad3 I'll keep you informed what he is doing
<toretore> i want be your teacher
<fly2web> but i m real harvard student. i swear.
<toretore> fly2web:
<workmad3> shevy: if I want to know that, I'll read the chan-log :P
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<jeaye> me also fly2web three years now
<shevy> fly2web in which korean town were you born?
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<workmad3> for now... lunch :)
<wasamasa> starcraft county
<wasamasa> huehuehue
<toretore> i teach many times already fly2web
<ARM9> tarsonis
<fly2web> oh yes.
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<fly2web> :)
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<jeaye> toretore: i teach him you do not
<jeaye> i also am harvard.not you
<toretore> no i teach!!!
<toretore> fly2web:
<ARM9> how do england language
<jeaye> fly2web:
<toretore> i have teach for many years
<ARM9> what many people speak english do?
<fly2web> people are jealous of my harvard university.
<toretore> i have professionel teach ruby
<shevy> the channel intelligence decreases once fly2web starts to troll
<jeaye> i study very long to teach so long after harvard
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<ARM9> our collective iq dropped by an order of magnitude
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<ARM9> please stop talking fly2web
<shevy> toretore, you actually fit right into fly2web and jeaye now
<txdv> why is everyone mad about ruby on rails questions here?
<fly2web> ok i see.
<jeaye> txdv: rails is good
<shevy> txdv they have their own channel
<toretore> this is not #rubyonrails chanel
<jeaye> i learn rails in school
<toretore> txdv:
<tobiasvl> txdv: not everyone, but #RubyOnRails is a better channel for it (people here aren't guaranteed to know rails)
<txdv> htmlentities wasnt even rails :/
<jeaye> fly2web:
<jeaye> toretore:
<jeaye> ok
<toretore> what you say
<toretore> jeaye:
<shevy> lol
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<jeaye> we teach together same time
<shevy> if I ever need anti-troll fighters, I'm going to hire toretore cuz he is the man
<toretore> ok
<toretore> jeaye:
<toretore> super teach
<fly2web> Left_Turn is my harvard friend. he will demonstrate it.
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<jeaye> we see demonstration
<jeaye> fly2web:
<fly2web> so don’t doubt me.
<toretore> i not doubt you
<jeaye> no doubt
<jeaye> fly2web:
<fly2web> yes why? jeaye
<toretore> you say profesional ruby learner and i believe
<jeaye> harvard
<toretore> fly2web:
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<fly2web> yes
<shevy> man
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<shevy> it's as if you broke down their synapses
<fly2web> Left_Turn is my harvard university friend.
<jeaye> mine too
<jeaye> we can meet
<jeaye> fly2web:
<shevy> I hate Left_Turn
<jeaye> i teach good
<wasamasa> who is that even
<fly2web> he will be in #python.
<jeaye> when
<shevy> :\
<jeaye> fly2web:
<fly2web> yes jeaye
<jeaye> ok
<Hanmac> jeaye: question: you said you learn Rails at school, do you learn Ruby before, paralell or do you learn Rails without Ruby?
<fly2web> :(
<toretore> so now you want make elite hacker group?
<toretore> fly2web: jeaye:
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<jeaye> rails not ruby
<jeaye> no ruby
<jeaye> Hanmac:
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<jeaye> no. windows only
<jeaye> toretore:
<shevy> he does not know ruby and he does not know rails, plus jeaye = fly2web
<jeaye> yes
<jeaye> no
<jeaye> shevy:
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<Hanmac> hm imo then the school does it wrong, imo you should learn a bit Ruby before, before you even touch rails
<shevy> fly2web so in which channels are you banned?
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<jeaye> #ruby
<fly2web> oh i visited ruby and python only.
<toretore> but this takes too long time
<toretore> Hanmac:
<jeaye> Hanmac:
<shevy> Hanmac:
<jeaye> ok
<toretore> yes
<shevy> no
<toretore> ok
<ARM9> maybe
<jeaye> fly2web: yes?
<toretore> you want starrt hacker group?
<toretore> fly2web:
<toretore> jeaye:
<fly2web> is here IT ceo?
<toretore> yes
<toretore> fly2web:
<toretore> i am
<wasamasa> apeiros: please make this stop
<fly2web> i want get a job. toretore
<fly2web> you can hire me to your corporation?
<Hanmac> toretore: IF the school does try to teach Rails before Ruby then you gain noobs like that, they think they know everything about ruby because they learned a bit Rails ... and then they wonder why a specifc rails method does not exist in Ruby or why HashWithShittyAccess is not the default Hash class
<toretore> ok but only junior position
<toretore> fly2web:
<fly2web> you can hire me to your company toretore
<fly2web> ok i see.
<toretore> only junior
<fly2web> i will demonstrate my skill. toretore
<shevy> make it an unpaid internship
<shevy> Hanmac: he was never at a school that taught rails
<toretore> stay calm ok
<toretore> Hanmac:
<shevy> lol
<fly2web> ok just give me 6 eating 2 in morning, 2 in afternoon, 2 in evening.
<toretore> everybody is friends here
<toretore> Hanmac:
<toretore> nobody make bad time
<toretore> :)
<fly2web> i will go your country, send me money for airplane.
<fly2web> toretore:
<Hanmac> i am clam, i only hate it when a school does produce noobs on purpose ...
<toretore> i live in cambridge
<toretore> fly2web:
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<shevy> fly2web please stay in Pusan
<toretore> masacuset
<toretore> cambrige masechuset
<fly2web> i don’t know Pusan, i just know LA, and sanfransisco.
<workmad3> Hanmac: that's not true across the board... I learned rails first :P
<shevy> workmad3 has a big brain
<workmad3> shevy: well... yeah :P
<toretore> you come visit me
<toretore> fly2web:
<toretore> for job
<jeaye> Well, anyway, that was fun.
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<toretore> ok?
<fly2web> ok thanks toretore, but i have no money for airline fee.
<shevy> good
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<shevy> stay in korea
<fly2web> toretore: you can send money?
<toretore> no airplane only bus
<toretore> fly2web:
<fly2web> cambrideg is in england?
<toretore> is in masachusat cambrige
<jeaye> No, East Mexico.
<shevy> please don't pull him closer to europe
<toretore> massechust
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<toretore> like harvard
<jeaye> war chester
<jeaye> near mass
<fly2web> macho man?
<shevy> war jester
<shevy> nacho man
<fly2web> toretore: give me your company site.
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<fly2web> then i will start now.
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<mostlybadfly> Hola
<toretore> you take bus 204 to perl stret
<toretore> fly2web:
<toretore> i will meet you
<fly2web> yes give me your company site.
<toretore> no sory its bus 47
<toretore> i made mistake
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<fly2web> are you fruad on me?
<jeaye> do not trust
<jeaye> fly2web:
<fly2web> toretore:
<jeaye> he fraud twice!
<fly2web> i know it jeaye
<jeaye> fly2web:
<mostlybadfly> What is going on here
<fly2web> thanks jeaye my harvard friend.
<jeaye> take bus 70 instead
<fly2web> :)
<jeaye> good friend
<ARM9> mostlybadfly run
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<fly2web> you will go to jail toretore
<jeaye> again
<jeaye> toretore:
<mostlybadfly> Don't we have ops in here?
<Mon_Ouie> Okay so…
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<jeaye> Ok. :)
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<toretore> lol
<Mon_Ouie> And some for toretore
<jeaye> Yeah, kick toretore.
<mostlybadfly> Shevy didn't do anything lol
<toretore> don't you dare!
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<jeaye> toretore: hahaha
<jeaye> Ok, back to work.
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<wasamasa> hmm, seems like that killed the entire channel
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<Mon_Ouie> I'd rather have that than what was going on before to be honest…
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<tobiasvl> imagine if some poor newbie joined during that thing
<tobiasvl> and wanted help
<mikecmpbll> what on earth was that.
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<ari-_-e> will somebody please think of the newbies
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<ARM9> just give em http://ruby.learncodethehardway.org/book and tell them to sod off
<jhass> the code style in that book is awful
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<wasamasa> I wonder whether he made it match the python version as much as possible and therefore ended up with that style
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<jhass> I think he's just not really a ruby coder and just translated the code examples from his other books
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<Perceptes> he was a ruby programmer before he was a python programmer
<ARM9> they're both shitty
<ARM9> ruby less so because it has less insane rules
<mostlybadfly> Yeah I remember seeing it is mostly a translation
<shevy> yeah makes sense, less brain work to do
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<shevy> it's so annoying to have to switch between english and german all the time too
<jeaye> Quite certain it aims for a 1:1 translation between languages, which is just not something that idioms really allow.
<ari-_-e> ARM9: what insane rules?
<ARM9> all
<ari-_-e> "all"?
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<ARM9> using indentation that break between text editors, allowing both tabs and spaces
<ARM9> and nitpicky stuff like self. hell
<ari-_-e> what breaks between text editors?
<ari-_-e> it's not python's fault if you can't write your whitespace properly
<ARM9> the indentation
<ARM9> everyone and their grandma uses their own settings
<ARM9> it is pythons fault for allowing every goddamn combination on earth
<ari-_-e> that is the stupidest criticism of python I have ever heard
<ARM9> you're bound to run into someone elses code using 2 or 4 or 8 spaces or tabs
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<ari-_-e> none of that is python's fault or unique to python
<ari-_-e> try again
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<ARM9> it is entierly pythons fault
<ARM9> have you not used the language?
<ari-_-e> I have
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<shevy> tabs are rather rare to see being used in ruby
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<shevy> I feel that a parser that chokes over indent alone as syntactical rules is stupider than a parser that won't require proper indent before it can run and evaluate the given code
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<centrx> Also, Python is dying
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<ARM9> well that's python for you
<ARM9> because fuck logic
<shevy> why don't we have hybrid parsers that can work with both?
<toretore> it's not python's fault that indentation is broken, but it would be helpful if there was a rule or at least a convention for how to indent
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<ari-_-e> toretore: there is
<shevy> don't they have a PEP for that?
<jeaye> centrx: In favor of?
<ari-_-e> yes
<ARM9> it's indirectly pythons fault for not imposing tighter restrictions on indentation
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<ari-_-e> ARM9: you're delusional
<toretore> ok, there you go
<toretore> use 4 spaces
<jeaye> No, 2.
<Mon_Ouie> And I mean… ruby allows you to even write unindented codes. How is Python worse?
<shevy> jeaye javascript
<jeaye> shevy: hm?
<ARM9> tabs
<shevy> jeaye you asked in favor of :)
<jeaye> shevy: Ah, right. I don't see how that could work...
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<jeaye> JS doesn't have nearly as many applications outside of web.
<shevy> simply by how many people use something
<shevy> yeah but you didn't have like web apps 10 years ago either
<jeaye> JS also doesn't have the library/community support outside the web.
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<centrx> Python 3 is nearly unused. Python 2 is obsolete.
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<toretore> centrx: i doubt anyone who likes python cares
<ari-_-e> centrx: and where does that ridiculous claim come from?
<toretore> just like i didn't care when ruby was obscure
<jeaye> Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't use Python if someone paid me (people have offered). I don't see how JS is any more robust though; Python seems pretty stable from my viewpoint.
<ari-_-e> the thing about python 3 is mostly true though
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<centrx> The Python 3 fiasco shows the developers are foolish, like some of the design decisions in the language.
<shevy> python 3 is the future, how can you be against the future ari-_-e
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<ari-_-e> shevy: I never said I was, just that it was mostly unused
<ari-_-e> centrx: you're skills of logical deduction are mind boggling
<centrx> Thanks
<ari-_-e> that wasn't a compliment
<centrx> Then don't say it
<shevy> haha
<bhaak> python 3 is present, ruby 3 is the future!
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<shevy> if I ever were to make a language
<shevy> I'd not have versions
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<shevy> or rather, the versions could be pure date-time format snapshots
<czaks> shevy: and when you finish, you will have a php4 equivalent
<kaspergrubbe_> bhaak: Python 3 ? You mean Python 3000 ?
<shevy> why would it be php4?
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<czaks> shevy: did you do some php scripting?
<shevy> yeah
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<czaks> when php was utterly broken?
<bhaak> was?
<shevy> php was always broken
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<czaks> it's not that broken now
<shevy> lol
<czaks> since 5.3 imo
<centrx> They didn't remove any of the broken parts
<shevy> they are like cooks who throw in more and more ingredients into the pot
<czaks> my favourite php bug:
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<czaks> first some introduction, Turkish language has some different letter rules
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<czaks> eg. lowercase of I is ı
<czaks> and uppercase of i is İ
<shevy> the turkish language should be removed as well
<czaks> methods and class names in php are case insensitive
<shevy> yeah, a DOS worthy language it is
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<czaks> and afaik the php core defines all m/c with downcase version
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<czaks> so if you wanted to use iconv on a turkish machine
<czaks> you would have to call İConv
<czaks> xD
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<toretore> why would you have method or class names in turkish?
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<bhaak> wut? default encoding is locale dependant?
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<czaks> bhaak: yes
<bhaak> default encoding of the source code files
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<czaks> it got fixed in php 5.3
<toretore> oh
<toretore> now i get it
<toretore> lol
<czaks> i remember when i supported one person from turkey, when he reported me, that my code isn't working for him
<toretore> id uppercased iconv to İConv
<txdv> wasnt ruby 2.1 just released?
<bhaak> java has something similar for OS. apparently you can't expect windows programmers not to use windows-1252
<ARM9> we should all just program in glorious nihongo
<Petru> I always thought 'İ' was a character that showed up when things weren't okay
<txdv> if python has breaking changes, ruby needs them too!
<shevy> txdv was it released?
<txdv> of all the people you should know shevy
<shevy> may?
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<shevy> don't we have july?
<centrx> what year is it?
<shevy> 2014!
<shevy> the year of the linux desktop
<shevy> or was that 2015
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<centrx> I thought it was 2002
<txdv> if it is 2015, then my desktop is from the future
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<fly2web> from now, i will study ruby, so i can’t say any more.
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<Veidit> Good evning
<shevy> why is fly2web allowed to continue writing stuff but if I reply to him I get kicked
<fly2web> :( why you make trap on me?
<fly2web> i will just study ruby.
<fly2web> don’t call me. shevy
<ARM9> because you're not actually mentally challanged, evidently.
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<ARM9> s/ange/enge/
<shevy> let's see if whoever replies to him will get kicked or not
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<Veidit> I am using rest-client and I am trying to use cacert.pem with a get request, but I can't get it to work: RestClient::Request.execute(:url => 'https://connect.writehat.com', :method => :get, :verify_ssl => true, :ssl_ca_file => "./cacert.pem") but when I use openssl to verify with the cacert it works great, what can I have missed? yes cacert.pem is in the same path as the script.
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<jhass> what error message do you get?
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<Veidit> jhass: /Users/john/.rbenv/versions/2.0.0-p481/lib/ruby/gems/2.0.0/gems/rest-client-1.7.2/lib/restclient/request.rb:445:in `rescue in transmit': SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read server certificate B: certificate verify failed (RestClient::SSLCertificateNotVerified)
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<jhass> looks like a comodo cert, why do you even need to specify a CA bundle?
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<Veidit> jhass: When verifying the chain with openssl it works when I specify the ca-file
<startupality> Hello… I have pry (actually pry-plus…) in gemfile but it is not automatically required in my code, how can i achieve this? (so I do not have to do require “pry” each time I want to do binding.pry…)
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<jhass> Veidit: I get a 403 with RestClient without specifying a bundle, so that's beyond the SSL-Handshake
<jhass> startupality: add pry to your Gemfile
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<jhass> or (a bit hacky) require: 'pry' to the pry-plus line
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<startupality> jhass: what do you mean?
<jhass> with the first or with the second?
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<startupality> with the second
<Veidit> jhass: Whwn running openssl s_client -connect connect.writehat.com:443 -showcerts I get: verify error:num=19:self signed certificate in certificate chain
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<FenixFyreX> I recently built a ruby c extension, but when I try and load the so into ruby it throws an error that the procedure entry point fclose() could not be found. Anyone know what could cause this?
<startupality> and for the first, i have another project where only pry-plus is in gemfile and it automatically works :)
<jhass> startupality: `gem 'pry-plus', require: 'pry'`
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<Veidit> jhass: When I add the cacert it works great.
<jhass> Veidit: yeah, that tool tends to fail the system bundles for some reason. Doesn't mean Ruby/Ruby's binding fails to do so
<jhass> *fail to find
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<Veidit> jhass: Ok, so what could the problem be? What am I missing?
<fly2web> i will stop study ruby.
<fly2web> it is so hard
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<fly2web> so far, i have studied many language, but ruby is most difficult.
<wmoxam> fly2web: what are you finding to be so difficult?
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<jhass> Veidit: did you try not specifying the bundle with RestClient ?
<fly2web> programming Ruby 1.9 & 2.0 have too many page of 868
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<fly2web> i am exhausted for reading 868 page of book.
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<wmoxam> fly2web: every other language has books just as big
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<wmoxam> and all languages have smaller books ;)
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<fly2web> ‘python absolute beginner’ has only 400 page with big letter.
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<gervx> the thing those books are big because publishers pay per pages ...
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<wmoxam> fly2web: "Learn Ruby The Hard Way" only has 320 pages
<fly2web> oh really
<FenixFyreX> I don't think the number of pages in a book has anything to do with how well a programming language works
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<wmoxam> FenixFyreX: ;-)
<fly2web> hey wmoxam, i read it already. haha
<wmoxam> ...
<gervx> FenixFyreX: unless the book is recursive
<FenixFyreX> haha
<jhass> fly2web: so what real life problems of yours did you already simplify/solve with ruby?
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<shevy> why are you guys allowed to discuss with fly2web but I got kicked?
<Veidit> jhass: Damn it, haha
<jhass> shevy: because we know when to stop
<fly2web> shevy: is child?
<shevy> jhass ok stop
<fly2web> too childish
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<centrx> shevy, I think it is because you told him to "die"
<jhass> fly2web: care to answer my question?
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<shevy> centrx not the second time, both apeiros and Mon_Ouie kicked me
<Veidit> Uwindow 4
<Veidit> haha
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<centrx> shevy, oh, you have a prestigious history
<fly2web> jhass: i study for metasploit.
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<centrx> fly2web wants to become an elite hacker
<gervx> elite ruby
<centrx> *1337
<ARM9> real hackors use ruby
<wasamasa> jhass: hacking
<wasamasa> jhass: he wants to haxx banks
<fly2web> but i want have expriment that i master it properly with webscraping.
<wasamasa> jhass: and pay us millions
<ARM9> because a ruby run everywhere
<ARM9> even phone run ruby
<shevy> I'm gonna watch how you guys get kicked
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<jhass> fly2web: you won't find much support for questions around that here, like there's #rubyonrails for Rails, join #metasploit for that framework
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<fly2web> 868page is too many.
<fly2web> :(
<gervx> learn speed reading
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<fly2web> how? gervx
<FenixFyreX> Can anyone help me with my issue on my C extension? I wrote a Ruby binding for gorilla-audio, but I'm not sure what's happening that would cause fclose() to be excluded from the library I've built...
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<wasamasa> FenixFyreX: sorry, fly2web is too entertaining
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<FenixFyreX> :P
<fly2web> thanks gervx
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<gervx> np :)
<fly2web> :)
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<txdv> another audio lib
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<ARM9> learn lisp
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<wasamasa> hmm?
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<shevy> learn ruby
<fly2web> Erlang is functional language?
<fly2web> like haskell?
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<wasamasa> there's no such thing as a functional language
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<wasamasa> it's languages supporting functional programming
<tobiasvl> fly2web: erlang is multi-paradigm, but yes, it heavily supports FP
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<wasamasa> or oop
<wasamasa> or whatever
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<fly2web> ok i see :)
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<fly2web> I have a question to ruby programmar?
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<fly2web> shevy: you can do python?
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<jhass> fly2web: if you have a question just ask it, don't ask for the person which might have the answer
<shevy> jhass see?
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<jhass> shevy: let me have my own fun :/
<gervx> shevy is a python *nods*
<fly2web> ruby programmar can do python?
<shevy> he'll soon target you with messages jhass
<jhass> shevy: I know how to use my client
<shevy> but you don't ignore him!
<jhass> yet
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<baweaver> ruby programmer can jump off a cliff too, doesn't have any real relevance
<baweaver> you CAN do a lot of things
<shevy> you are a mean beaver
<shevy> I don't wanna jump off a cliff!
<wasamasa> fly2web: your questions don't make any sense
<sweeper> he's a weaver, not a beaver
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<wasamasa> fly2web: learn english instead of ruby
<shevy> a weaver?
<baweaver> been there done that, it's actually quite refreshing
<shevy> that's way too girly
<gervx> _jump(*cliff)
<sweeper> weavers are intrinsically mean
<sweeper> haven't you ever seen ER?
<shevy> I like him more as a beaver. cute and fluffy
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<gervx> shevy from when beavers are fluffy?
<baweaver> I prefer Lemur myself, depends on what computer I'm on
<gervx> you mixed up your function
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<Lemur_> Like that I guess
<shevy> look how cute, fluffy and chubby that fella is gervx http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/American_Beaver.jpg
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<Lemur_> ah
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<baweaver> scratch that then
<baweaver> still logged in at home
<sweeper> he likes to move it...
<shevy> hehehe
<fly2web> his stuff is flat.
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<fly2web> :(
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<shevy> he uses it to whip down his opponents
<baweaver> baweaver used tailwhip, it was super effective
<shevy> you don't want to mess with a beaver
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<fly2web> who step on his stuff?
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<gervx> baweaver: Lemur_ as I remember: http://i.imgur.com/e5ioYPN.jpg
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<baweaver> I still like the source of the name Lemur: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemures
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<apeiros> oh dear…I'm away for 2h and this happens :)
<baweaver> To answer the question, they can and often do learn Python. As much as either side hates it, they're effectively siblings on the language tree
<gervx> apeiros: yes don't go away
<wasamasa> apeiros: time to wield your staff
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<gervx> and a hat
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<apeiros> wasamasa: but people call me power tripping dictator when I do…
<jhass> and you... don't love that? :o
<baweaver> Python is the OCD one who wants everything done one way and in order
<wasamasa> apeiros: not like that will ever go away :P
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<gervx> apeiros: you should not wear a hat like that then
<apeiros> jhass: I didn't say I cared :o)
<baweaver> Ruby is the more mellow one that does whatever it wants whenever it wants
<wasamasa> baweaver: and ruby is the one obsessed with beauty and magic?
<baweaver> so naturally they clash a bit
<baweaver> rails is the magic, they freaking hid hogwarts somewhere in that thing.
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<gervx> same can be said about mongodb
<apeiros> given how I lean towards OCD myself, it's actually interesting that I far prefer ruby…
<baweaver> It has a magic tendency to lose bitcoins ;)
<apeiros> doesn't it also have a random tendency to not save?
<baweaver> I don't like how restrictive it feels, which is why I use Ruby
<baweaver> bingo, hence bitcoin joke
<gervx> you need a messaging service not to loose bitcoins
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<gervx> ok im off have a nice day
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<gervx> work ended -> mtb wroom wroom
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<baweaver> still got 7 hours over here.
<canton7> 1.5.... can't wait
<seph429> 6 and then i'm on vacation for 5 days!
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<baweaver> 3 mode days until I'm off to San Francisco
<baweaver> more*
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<seph429> ah san francisco, home of traffic
<apeiros> 2 more workdays, then 3 day week-end
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<baweaver> home of fun stuff to work on, new employment.
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<fly2web> http://ruby.learncodethehardway.org/book/ <—— this site is enough for ruby?
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<baweaver> should be decent enough
<baweaver> though inevitably you need to make things
<fly2web> thanks
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<fly2web> baweaver: :)
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<fly2web> who can teach me english?
<wasamasa> surely not #ruby
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<fly2web> i m not good at speaking english. so i can’t read english well.
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<jhass> alis says there's ##English
<fly2web> ok wasamasa but, we are ruby family
<wasamasa> fly2web: not you
<fly2web> why? i can do ruby.
<baweaver> MINASWAN
<fly2web> thanks jhass :)
<wasamasa> fly2web: nope
<wasamasa> fly2web: haven't seen any proof for your outrageous claims
<fly2web> ok
<baweaver> You do realize he's trolling, right?
<fly2web> i will show my product soon. before 1 year.
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<wasamasa> baweaver: no ban yet
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<fly2web> oh baweaver, we are ride same boat.
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<fly2web> we ride same boat
<baweaver> trolling is far more for the lols than anything
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<fly2web> ‘The Well-Grounded Rubyist Paperback – July 4, 2014’ is in torrent?
<fly2web> who know it?
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<momomomomo> :(
<momomomomo> pick it up, it's a good book
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<momomomomo> but buy it
<Karunamon> Morning folks - I'm wondering if anyone is familiar with rspec enough to understand its behavior when invoked from another program
<fly2web> ok momomomomo i have no money. i eat something per 2 days.
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<godd2> >> eval("0x" + [0.15625].pack('g').unpack('H16')[0]).to_s(2).rjust(32,"0")
<Mon_Robot> godd2: => "00111110001000000000000000000000" (https://eval.in/173005)
<havenwood> fly2web: Then send an email or postcard to the book author and ask for a digital copy.
<momomomomo> havenwood: I did download stuff when I was little that I've since paid for :p
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<Karunamon> i've got a function that does stuff, invokes rspec, and does other stuff. Problem is that rspec is run out of order. So it goes: stuff, invocation, more stuff - but the invocation happens after everything else
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<fly2web> i m not good at writing english. havenwood you can do it instead of me?
<havenwood> momomomomo: :)
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<kristofers> Hi can someone please help me i'm trying to get some ruby code converted to php, RUBY: http://pastie.org/private/mtocdq7ocktpoacvquqiya PHP: http://pastie.org/private/imy8lwl3paxw9rtczboiuw
<havenwood> fly2web: Nope. :P
<fly2web> :(
<momomomomo> Karunamon: If you want tests to run in order, run them in the same scope
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<fly2web> the book is in torrent? havenwood ?
<momomomomo> fly2web: just do what you will but pay it back to the author when you can -
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<fly2web> oh good world momomomomo
<Karunamon> Oh man, that's going to make this function a mess
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<fly2web> :)
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<kristofers> Anyone kind enough to help me :) ?
<momomomomo> convert ruby to php? loooooooooooooooooooool
<wasamasa> kristofers: why would you want to do that
<wasamasa> kristofers: the other way around maybe
<havenwood> kristofers: Could help you refactor the Ruby... but convert to PHP, no. :P
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<kristofers> -.-
<Karunamon> the PHP folks might be able to help you out more there
<momomomomo> ^
<kristofers> How ? lol
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<Karunamon> unless your ruby is doing something really off the wall
<momomomomo> they care about php
<kristofers> well you care about ruby :)
<kristofers> help me decifer your code
<Karunamon> your function looks pretty simple, just ask the PHP guys to work through the logic.
<Karunamon> << - doesn't know PHP
<havenwood> kristofers: what part can we shine some light on?
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<kristofers> entry[..] entry[...]
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<kristofers> i read on that just not sure how that converts to php
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<apeiros> fly2web: how many more books are you going to ask about?
<godd2> kristofers: dunno how it works in PHP, but I suspect that ! $start doesn't do the same thing that !start does. could be wrong, depends on how PHP deals with falsy stuff
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<fly2web> apeiros: till fiting to me.
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<fly2web> till finding book fitted to me.
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<wasamasa> apeiros: until the entire channel dies down when he's not speaking
<havenwood> kristofers: the two dot .. is inclusive range and three dot ... is exclusive range. note they use both.
<wasamasa> apeiros: you must do something about it
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<kristofers> yes i saw, i was reading about that, just not sure what i can do to do the same in php
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<havenwood> kristofers: but ##php channel makes more sense to this, since the Ruby is already written
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<havenwood> for this*, gosh, i'm losing my ability to speak English
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<wasamasa> it's all fly2web's fault
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<Karunamon> Hm, question. Is there a sensical way to pass a variable or some random object into rspec?
<fly2web> now i think that rubymonk.com is good
<Karunamon> that gets picked up by the test? I'm thinking of dumping a hash to yaml and then picking it back up in the test
<godd2> Karunamon why not invoke the code which constructs the object in the test?
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<Karunamon> because the object is constructed by another piece of the program (I'm kind of misusing rspec here - it's validating a rather large suite of user input)
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<ptrrr> ok guys
<godd2> I would Marshal it then
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<ptrrr> I’m having problems with refinements in instance_eval
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<frankS2> http://pastie.org/9429642 can someone tell me whats wrong here?
<Karunamon> I still have to get that object into the test
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<godd2> Karunamon you can use Marshal to dump the object and load it back later whenever you want
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<havenwood> frankS2: looks like you accidentally nested your `def bark` and `def id` inside your `def initialize`.
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<godd2> Yaml is another way of doing that, yes
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<havenwood> frankS2: `end` your `def initialize` before you define other methods
<Karunamon> godd2: Right, I get that, but what I mean is that's not different from the way I was thinking about doing it already. Writing another rb file and using the --include option on rspec
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<Karunamon> that just seems really roundabout is all. I wondered if there's a better way
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<godd2> don't abuse rspec in the first place ;)
<Karunamon> Heh, fair enough.
<frankS2> havenwood: DOH! thanks! :D
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<godd2> Karunamon: you can use before(:each) in your describe to set up whatever parts you need
<Karunamon> godd2: Also right, but I still have to pass in a known filename or something (can't just use Tempfile)
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<godd2> If the class you're requiring in rspec is requiring the files anyway, you shouldn't have anything to worry about
<godd2> But then, I don't know how complex your code is
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<havenwood> Karunamon: Doesn't make sense to me either to do this here. But generally you'd serialize with YAML, JSON, Marshal or MsgPack then communicate via a file, Unix socket, Redis, whatev. If you need transactions, YAML::Store for YAML or PStore for Marshal are in the stdlib. Or get fancy with DRb, DCell or one of the message queues.
<havenwood> Karunamon: But yeah, shouldn't need any of that ^.
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<Karunamon> I can't actually pastebin this (i'd love to), but the short version is that a large hash (about a good two screens full) is constructed based on user input. Rspec presents the results really nicely (and makes further tests dead simple to write), which is why I'm using that.
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<Karunamon> and I continue or stop based on if the tests passed or not
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<godd2> sounds like a catch 22. on the one hand, you should refactor that class. on the other, you want tests to make sure you're refactoring is going well
<Karunamon> I /was/ doing this with another function, and just passing the hash into the function that calls rspec, problem there is that calling it doesn't block waiting for rspec to finish.
<Karunamon> the program just happily continues on its way
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<fly2web> rubymonk is nice. first i think that rubymonk is not good, but my mind is changed now.
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<gunner990> How do you quit irb if you set quit and exit to variables
<jhass> Ctrl+D
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<godd2> Ctrl+Pause/Break
<gunner990> Thanks :)
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<Karunamon> and this function was coincidentally in the file that contains the tests. Made for a very convenient setup :P
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<ptrrr> guys, I might’ve found a bug in the MRI
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<shevy> NoMethodError: undefined method `using' for #<Moo:0x00000003af1100>
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<shevy> does your code work on MRI ptrrr ?
<ptrrr> nope
<shevy> ruby 2.1.2p95 (2014-05-08 revision 45877) [x86_64-linux]
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<ptrrr> ruby 2.1.2p95 (2014-05-08 revision 45877) [x86_64-darwin13.0]
<shevy> hehe
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<ptrrr> am I missing anything?
<ptrrr> or should I file a bug report?
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<shevy> not sure
<shevy> there are other mac users here like havenwood
<Mon_Ouie> using is a method on Module, not on Object, that's all
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<ptrrr> Mon_Ouie: hmm.
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<ptrrr> “However, when main.using is invoked in a string given as the first argument of Kernel#eval, Kernel#instance_eval, or Module#module_eval, the end of the scope is the end of the string."
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<ptrrr> I think that implies that it should be possible in instance_eval as well? confused.
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<Mon_Ouie> "when main.using is invoked…"
<jhass> ptrrr: you're calling BasicObject#instance_eval
<Mon_Ouie> But self in your instance eval block is not main, it's Moo.new
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<ptrrr> oh.
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<ptrrr> I can’t even find Kernel#instance_eval
<Mon_Ouie> It's documented as part of Object
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<gunner990> Hi
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<groovehunter> hi. how can I install a gem I just built locally with gem build mygem ?
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<groovehunter> em mygem.gemspec
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<jhass> gem install ./mygem.gem
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<groovehunter> thank you jhass
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<wasamasa> yay, finished writing a ruby script that puts converted comics on my kobo
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<wasamasa> only thing left is making it more magic
<wasamasa> like, letting it figure out titles for me
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<pepijndevos> I'm having trouble with rake, or bundler, or nokogiri, or mac, or homebrew. I don't know. I will yust paste the error in a second.
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<toretore> did you install ruby through homebrew?
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<pepijndevos> yes
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<pepijndevos> my ruby version is 2.1.2p95
<ptrrr> does /usr/local/Cellar/ruby/2.1.2/lib/ruby/gems/2.1.0/extensions/x86_64-darwin-13/2.1.0/nokogiri-1.6.2.1/nokogiri/nokogiri.bundle exist?
<toretore> pepijndevos: how did you install nokogiri?
<pepijndevos> ptrrr, yes
<jhass> did you try reinstalling nokogiri? (gem install nokogiri -v 1.6.2.1)
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<pepijndevos> toretore, rake did that a second ago...
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<pepijndevos> jhass, will thy
<toretore> rake?
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<toretore> you should be installing nokogiri with gem
<pepijndevos> toretore, or probably bundle... I don't know how that works.
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<pepijndevos> I was told to run rake to build a non-ruby project, so I have no idea.
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<toretore> are you sure it succeded?
<toretore> ee
<pepijndevos> looked like it...
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<pepijndevos> Note that the libruby it's trying to use is a slightly diffrerent version than ruby -v gives me.
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<pepijndevos> 2.1.2 vs 2.1.0
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<shevy> no
<shevy> 2.1.0 is the API version
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<pepijndevos> jhass, that did not help at all.
<shevy> ruby 2.1.3 would have the same
<pepijndevos> ok
<shevy> or rather, ABI I think
<jhass> ^ ABI version
<pepijndevos> so now what...
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<shevy> Library not loaded: /usr/local/lib/libruby.2.1.0.dylib
<havenwood> pepijndevos: echo "export PATH=$(brew --prefix ruby)/bin:$PATH" >> $HOME/.bash_profile
<shevy> is this the right place for it to look for the libruby?
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<pepijndevos> shevy, probably not....
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<shevy> where is libruby.2.1.0.dylib? perhaps you can just make a symlink
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<pepijndevos> I have no idea.
<shevy> well, when I don't know where a file is on my linux system, I run "find"
<shevy> In the worst case: 'find / -name libruby.2.1.0.dylib'
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<pepijndevos> probably in the brew prefic though
<shevy> yeah I guess
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<dorei> updatedb/locate is a good alternative to find sometimes
<havenwood> shevy: mdfind -name libruby.2.1.0.dylib
<pepijndevos> here /usr/local//Cellar/ruby/2.1.2_2/lib/libruby.2.1.0.dylib
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<havenwood> shevy: (on BSD/OS X)
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<havenwood> shevy: i have `locate` aliased to `echo You mean: mdfind -name` >.>
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<pepijndevos> never mind... I'll just not build this thing(Suave, an F# project)... I can just use a release, but I was hoping to contribute to it.
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<pepijndevos> May God have mercy on the next person installing nokogiri on mac
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<sjouke> i want to use this: https://github.com/michaeldv/awesome_print
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<havenwood> pepijndevos: brew doesn't setup PATH properly for you
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<sjouke> should i put that in the gemfile for the project?
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<sjouke> that seems like a dependency which shouldn't be there, it's only helpful for me
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<havenwood> pepijndevos: setup PATH to brew --prefix ruby /bin or use a tool like chruby to select the current Ruby
<Hanmac> pepijndevos: i am more suprised every time that you can install 3rd party software on Mac ;P
<sjouke> would adding this to a project's gemfile be considered poluting the gemfile?
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<shevy> then of course it is not part of a user who wants to use your gem
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<havenwood> pepijndevos: or just use system Ruby ;P
<shevy> I think there is add_dev_dep or something
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<havenwood> pepijndevos: Or, if you only want to use a single Ruby, another nice way is to just ruby-install to /usr/local/.
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<havenwood> pepijndevos: but brew Ruby without PATH set up won't work for gems
<pepijndevos> havenwood, I have this in my profile 1 export PATH="$(brew --prefix)/bin:$(brew --prefix ruby)/bin:$PATH";
<pepijndevos> so that should be good
<havenwood> pepijndevos: that should do the trick. make sure it's sourced?
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<pepijndevos> havenwood, but still ruby is looking in the wrong place.
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<pepijndevos> it's sourced. for sure.
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<havenwood> pepijndevos: which ruby
<havenwood> pepijndevos: or: command -v ruby
<pepijndevos> 2.1.2
<havenwood> path?
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<pepijndevos> /usr/local/opt/ruby/bin/ruby
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<havenwood> pepijndevos: which gem
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<pepijndevos> nokogiri
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<havenwood> pepijndevos: i mean?: command -v gem
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* pepijndevos v
<pepijndevos> /usr/local/opt/ruby/bin/gem
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<havenwood> pepijndevos: command -v nokogiri
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<pepijndevos> /usr/local/opt/ruby/bin/nokogiri
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<havenwood> pepijndevos: looks good to me on first glance
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<pepijndevos> right. except it's not.
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<shevy> hehe
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<pepijndevos> everything in the error refers to the prefix or the cellar, except that one libruby /usr/local/Cellar/ruby/2.1.2/lib/ruby/2.1.0/rubygems/core_ext/kernel_require.rb:55:in `require': dlopen(/usr/local/Cellar/ruby/2.1.2/lib/ruby/gems/2.1.0/extensions/x86_64-darwin-13/2.1.0/nokogiri-1.6.3.1/nokogiri/nokogiri.bundle, 9): Library not loaded: /usr/local/lib/libruby.2.1.0.dylib (LoadError)
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<havenwood> pepijndevos: try rebuilding nokogiri: gem pristine nokogiri
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<ssvo> @havenwood whats pristine, ive never used that
<ssvo> nn
<ssvo> nm
<ssvo> just rtfm
<pepijndevos> does what it says on the tin... I hope
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<ssvo> \o/
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<havenwood> ssvo: aye, `gem help pristine` explains well ;)
<ssvo> :)
<ssvo> i gotchu
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<pepijndevos> but since I installed nokogiri minutes ago, I have little hope of it working
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<pepijndevos> nope same error
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<arup_r> Can any one help me, by giving the link of ternary operator how it is coded in C ?
<arup_r> in Ruby parser
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<arup_r> I am trying to search it in Github, but not getting it there
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<Mon_Ouie> It's buried somewhere in parse.y… probably not very interesting to look at.
<arup_r> Yes.. I am going through it... not able to locate it
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<arup_r> I would like to check the Grammer
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<arup_r> The thing is x.nil? ? meth1 12 : meth 23, 34 is parsed incorrectly.. The reason is obvious.. I need to use *paren*
* centrx agrees
<arup_r> But I wanted to check how the corresponding grammar is written there..
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<livingstn> Totally new to ruby/bundler. If I want to make modifications to a bundle and test it without having to push it to a remote repo, where would I do that? I can't seem to find where the downloaded source code is.
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<mechanicalduck_> hi
<mechanicalduck_> So I am using guard and I find it very useful.
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<mechanicalduck_> But guard doesn't seem to work on a samba/cifs mount.
<mechanicalduck_> It doesn't detect changes.
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<mechanicalduck_> When I change the file on the windows computer it detects it.
<mechanicalduck_> Correction: It detects it _not_.
<centrx> livingstn, I think of a "bundle" as a set of gems specified in the Gemfile, but it sounds like you are talking about changing source code?
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<livingstn> centrx well, this is something installed via bundler that doesn't have a gem (so installed from github)
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<livingstn> I'd like to modify that repo's code.
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<centrx> mechanicalduck_, guard may be using Linux's inotify feature. There might be other ways that guard can detect changes, a setting or a plugin.
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<jbwiv> Pizza: and if you're looking for the IDE experience, RubyMine from intellij is decent
<centrx> livingstn, On my system they are in /var/lib/gems, however
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<livingstn> centrx I'd like to modify it locally to test out my changes before pushing it up to my forked repo.
<centrx> livingstn, However, better practice may be to fork the source code on github and make your change there.
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<centrx> I see okay that covers my suggestion
<livingstn> centrx Yeah, it's just a pain to keep having to push it up to test.
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<livingstn> Ideally i'd like to test locally, push to fork, then create a PR
<mechanicalduck_> centrx: So when I get inotify running on cifs/smbfs, guard should also work, alright.
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<centrx> livingstn, On my system the repo-downloaded "gems" are in /var/lib/gems/2.1.0/bundler/gems, while the normal gems are in /var/lib/gems/2.1.0/gems
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<centrx> livingstn, Use the locate program to find anything on your system quickly
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<centrx> mechanicalduck_, Right, or some other mechanism that Samba or Guard might use instead of inotify
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<mechanicalduck_> centrx: Can I set up a different one?
<mechanicalduck_> centrx: It is for a mounted samba (windows) share.
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<centrx> mechanicalduck_, Set up a different what?
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<xxneolithicxx> hi all
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<xxneolithicxx> anyone know if XMLRPC is thread safe
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<mechanicalduck_> centrx: notification mechanism
<mechanicalduck_> centrx: Preferably not something where guard actively polls on all files.
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<livingstn> centrx Found it. Thanks!
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<centrx> mechanicalduck_, It is possible that is the only way to do it with samba. Everything has to go through the filesystem first.
<mechanicalduck_> centrx: ah
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<pontiki> mechanicalduck_: the samba thing seems sufficiently narrow that you might want to report it to guard's developers, if you haven't already
<mechanicalduck_> pontiki: I will report it on their github project.
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<shevy> github made the world a better place
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<onewheelskyward> Indeed.
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<mechanicalduck_> yes
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<sjouke> how do you generate a date like this: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:08:38 UTC +00:00
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<pontiki> that's a standard format, i think? but you can also use the variables in strftime
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<centrx> sjouke, There are a set of pre-made standard formats, they have methods on Time or DateTime.
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<pontiki> maybe not a standard, i don't think any show both the time zone code and the offset
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<centrx> sjouke, Otherwise, as the great pontiki said, use strftime
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<sjouke> DateTime.new is cose: Mon, 01 Jan -4712 00:00:00 +0000
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<sjouke> wish it would generate a proper year
<jhass> sjouke: that's just it's .inspect, not the value itself
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<sjouke> DateTime.now
<sjouke> that works
<jhass> *its
<sjouke> thank you very much centrx, pontiki, jhass!
<jhass> I wouldn't rely on the .inspect
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<jhass> craft a format string for .strftime
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<pontiki> huh
<pontiki> >> Time.new
<Mon_Robot> pontiki: Something went wrong when trying to evaluate your code.
<pontiki> fascinating
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<pontiki> >> require 'time'; Time.new
<Mon_Robot> pontiki: Something went wrong when trying to evaluate your code.
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<Wolland> >> Time.class
<Mon_Robot> Wolland: Something went wrong when trying to evaluate your code.
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<pontiki> Time.new gives the current time, just like Time.now. but Date.today and DateTime.new don't.
<pontiki> oops
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<pontiki> i mean Date.new and DateTime.new
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<sjouke> gotta run
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<mechanicalduck_> Interesting.
<mechanicalduck_> Guard got a subproject 'Listen' which supports samba shares notifications well.
<mechanicalduck_> But how can I use this in guard itself?
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<mechanicalduck_> It looks like a library used by guard. I don't want a library, I want that guard uses that and behaves correctly on samba shares.
<pontiki> i thought it came with guard.
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<mechanicalduck_> pontiki: Hm, this issue seems to match my problem: https://github.com/guard/listen/issues/125
<mechanicalduck_> pontiki: But they should have fixed it long time ago, also with a spec.
<pontiki> did they?
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<mechanicalduck_> pontiki: Hm, at least they closed the issue.
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<mechanicalduck_> It is one year old, one year and a month at least.
<pontiki> mechanicalduck_: i don't work on guard or anything in their repo
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<mechanicalduck_> hm
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<frankS2> http://pastie.org/9429999 any idea why this wont pass?
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<baweaver> Private designates anything below a line as private
<baweaver> you declare it once
<baweaver> anything after private is declared is private
<baweaver> including your initializer there
<benzrf> frankS2: you left off a peiod
<benzrf> *period
<benzrf> compare:
<benzrf> "Access denied: incorrect PIN"
<benzrf> "Access denied: incorrect PIN."
<frankS2> benzrf: ! gooood :p
<frankS2> benzrf: thanks :)
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<benzrf> np
<baweaver> odd way to write it though
<baweaver> return is unnecessary
<frankS2> baweaver: how so=?
<frankS2> baweaver: expect for the return?
<baweaver> putting initializers as private
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<frankS2> is initialize private?
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<frankS2> doesnt it become public when i end my pin_error?
<baweaver> ruby needs no return, it implies things. Only use it for explicit returns
<baweaver> Shouldn't
<frankS2> allright, thanks :)
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<baweaver> private is declared once in an area
<baweaver> and everything below it is considered private
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<baweaver> and all the pin is doing is repeatedly setting an ivar to 1234, which does return the pin, yes, but odd
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<baweaver> Now if you're using Ruby 2.1+, you can:
<baweaver> private def method() 123 end
<baweaver> because a method being created returns a symbol, which is used as the argument to private
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<baweaver> I'm not sure if YARV will play nicely with that linebreak using private, but it may
<baweaver> just be aware that's probably not good form.
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<wallerdev> hi
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<lectrick> Is there any way to cleverly run my ruby test suite against more than 1 Ruby runtime?
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<mattalexx> How can I recreate this method signature?: spawn([env,] command... [,options])
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<apeiros> lectrick: zenspider has multiruby or somesuch for that
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<apeiros> lectrick: also you probably could rig something using any of the version managers
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<lectrick> heh yeah i'm sure i could rig something up, just wondering if someone else had already built such a thing ;)
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<apeiros> then I point at zenspider again :)
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<Mon_Ouie> mattalexx: spawn(*args) and, by checking the types of the arguments and how many there are, decide how to treat them
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<thetabyte> Is the Ruby 2.0 Net::HTTP library thread safe? Does anyone have a citation proving it either way?
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<ericwood> I wouldn't think it would be?
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<ericwood> I know this is probably the wrong thing to say but if you're doing async HTTP stuff eventmachine is tha shit
<shevy> I assume it is limited just as normal threads in MRI ruby
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<momomomomo> thetabyte: no
<momomomomo> it is not
<ericwood> I've used eventmachine in the past to pipeline some scraping and it sped up performance 10000000x
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<beryllium> I always feel bad about scraping
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<momomomomo> beryllium: why? Be nice and use a delay
<beryllium> I build in multi-second delays and such, rather than going full bore. Heh.
<momomomomo> or, be smart and use something like nutch :p
<thetabyte> Let's say we want to make API requests in parallel using Sidekiq queueing — what would be the best way to do that?
<ericwood> yeah just be nice about it
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<momomomomo> thetabyte: 'in parallel' meaning?
<momomomomo> within the scope of one job being executed?
<ericwood> thetabyte: seriously look at eventmachine
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<beryllium> hmm, never heard of nutch. thanks.
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<ericwood> worst case I just wasted a few minutes of your time :D
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<momomomomo> beryllium: it's the project that spawned hadoop; and, it's pretty darn robust if you need to do large scale crawling
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<momomomomo> if you need ajax/javascript parsing, you can use this little plugin I wrote which uses selenium-hub https://github.com/momer/nutch-selenium-grid-plugin
<ericwood> momomomomo: eventmachine?
<momomomomo> ericwood: lol no, nutch
<slash_nick> ericwood: no nutch
<ericwood> hahaha I was like wut
<ericwood> carry on
<slash_nick> wutch?!
<beryllium> for the project I'm doing it on, I wouldn't call it large-scale - it's just one site - the issue that it needs to be crawled on a regular schedule (and the dom needs to be harvested for data)
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<momomomomo> nutch is great for that :p
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<beryllium> and it's a government site. heh.
<momomomomo> I continuously crawl a set of sites using nutch and my selenium plugin; works fine
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<ericwood> there's also mechanize for scraping, I heard good things
<thetabyte> Heh, good point. If I want each Sidekiq job (Sidekiq jobs run in parallel) to be able to make HTTP requests, what should I do?
<momomomomo> ericwood: the tools we're talking about are on completely different levels
<beryllium> I recongnize aaronp's avatar. hah
<momomomomo> that said, if you have a small amount to do, I've used things like anemone etc
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<slash_nick> thetabyte: nothing stopping you... is there a certain order the requests need to fire in?
<ericwood> momomomomo: yeah I give up, this is beyond the shit I've done :P
<slash_nick> because if it's some serial process, then asynchronous is not going to be a good solution
<thetabyte> slash_nick: well, there is something stopping me from using Net:HTTP — it's not thread safe
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<slash_nick> if no one request depends on another having been made, you'd probably have to get more clever than it's worth
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<slash_nick> ergh... if any one request*
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<momomomomo> or, just do them sequentially... or pipe them through a channel
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<momomomomo> ie pipe the response to the next job
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<slash_nick> thetabyte: i'm really doubting whether net/http's threadsafeness is an issue for you
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<some1> I was addicted to watching pornography for 10 years, write me if you want to know more :)
<slash_nick> what do i do if i want to know less
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<momomomomo> seriously
<momomomomo> message that person and it's probably spam
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<some1> not really :)
<momomomomo> some1: this channel probably isn't the best to talk about your addiction
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<ericwood> well maybe some1 was using async HTTP scraping stuff to download porn
<momomomomo> ;o
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<wasamasa> some1: #defocus is more interested in that
<ericwood> spam bot, worth ignoring :P
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<lidaaa> how do I test a function that is not in a class using test/unit approach
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<lidaaa> I have a function in the global scope that I want to run some tests? do I have to wrap the function in class?
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<wasamasa> hmm
<wasamasa> looks like I'll have to write my first serious ruby script given the tool I wrap doesn't accept a certain feature request of mine
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<lidaaa> wasamasa, good luck
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<ericwood> wasamasa: fork fork fork
<ericwood> I had to do that with pygmentize
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<wasamasa> ericwood: nah, it's a python script I'm wrapping
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<ericwood> wasamasa: same situation as me
<wasamasa> well, pygmentize is at least well written
<ericwood> got into a tiff with the maintainers of the gem when I got them to let me contribute
<ericwood> my code is actually in master but they won't let me release
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<ericwood> and they won't communicate with me anymore
<wasamasa> considering I only need a subset of functionality, I might do a better job this time
<ericwood> so, I have these great things added and updated the version of pygments and have access to everything in the github repo
<ericwood> but when I try to ship the undo it
<lidaaa> ericwood, open source guts are sometimes jerks
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<lidaaa> *guys
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<ericwood> lidaaa: yeah, it was my first real run-in with a popular project like that, I was furious :(
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<lidaaa> well I don't blame them they work for free
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<ericwood> it's a tiny project, I told them I'd do all the work...they haven't touched it in two years :o
<ericwood> but it's actually a very popular gem
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<lidaaa> I see this in almost every open source project I encounter
<ericwood> haha yeah
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<ericwood> you put humans and feelings in to the equation and it gets messy :)
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<ericwood> I try to be really nice with my stuff, but I've only ever gotten one or two pull requests on any given project
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<lidaaa> we should wait util androids writes code
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<ericwood> yes
<ericwood> true metaprogramming
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<shevy> working on it
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<shevy> I think the problem is that androids are limited by the hardware and the setup of it you throw at them
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<lidaaa> shevy, what ever you do don't make it open source project
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<ericwood> the only project I'
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<ericwood> ve ever gotten a real pull request from was my roomba library
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<shevy> I think open source works very well for small stuff
<ericwood> I just threw it out there, all of a sudden gotten a HUGE pull request from some russian guy who was using it
<ericwood> he did all the bitchwork for sensor support that I was too lazy to do
<shevy> hehe
<kaspergrubbe_> Cool
<ericwood> had to do a lot of cleanup and there's still a few problems but it really breathed some life into things
<ericwood> love that dude, whoever he is
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<ericwood> Russian dude, whereever you are, I owe you many beers and hugs
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<ericwood> (he's probably in Russia I think)
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<the8thbit|work> Hello
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<the8thbit|work> I am getting this error: http://pastebin.com/GYTetzre
<the8thbit|work> whenever I run bundler install
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<ericwood> the8thbit|work: any reason to use 1.8?
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<the8thbit|work> erichmenge: I think its just whatever is in the ubuntu repositories
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<ericwood> the8thbit|work: I recommend using something like ruby-install instead to download 2.1 or whatever the latest is :D
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<ericwood> that way you aren't building it from scratch
<ericwood> I hate to recommend another tool, but it works quite well
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<the8thbit|work> is ruby install in the ubuntu repos?
<the8thbit|work> Or is there a PPA I can add?
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<the8thbit|work> thanks
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<ericwood> the readme should have all the info you need!
<the8thbit|work> the ubuntu repos are always out of date D<
<ericwood> yeah...
<ericwood> if you're doing much serious ruby dev these tools are very helpful
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<the8thbit|work> Ive never written ruby before, but my boss asked me to write a plugin for openproject
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<ericwood> the8thbit|work: if you're having trouble with ruby-install, postmodern is in this channel!
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<the8thbit|work> Im more of a modernist
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<ericwood> haha
<the8thbit|work> ruby-install seems to be working great so far though :)
<ericwood> awesome!
<ericwood> i recommend that in conjunction with chruby
<ericwood> so ruby-install installs the ruby versions, and chruby will let you switch between them easily
<the8thbit|work> Ah, I see
<ericwood> you can create a .rubyversion file in your project, and whenever you're in that project dir you'll have the correct ruby version set up!
<the8thbit|work> hm
<ericwood> it's easy to get going!
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<the8thbit|work> github should have a package manager
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<ericwood> it does, it's called git :D
<the8thbit|work> haha
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<ericwood> honestly if you're on a mac homebrew is amazing, it's kinda like that
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<ericwood> it uses github for managing installation formulas; things are almost always up to date
<ericwood> for example, pianobar (a CLI pandora player) broke and the fix wasn't in master yet, but homebrew's formular for it got updated to use the PR that fixed the problem
<ericwood> that blew me away! fixed within an hour
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<the8thbit|work> I meant a package that would allow devs to create an install file with instructions for building from source, search the github database, and autoupdate your installs when the dev pushes to the branch you installed from
<the8thbit|work> by instructions, I mean the code that would then be executed by the manager itself
<ericwood> that's basically homebrew to some extent
<the8thbit|work> so all you'd have to do is type github install package
<the8thbit|work> ohhhh, homebrew is a manager?
<ericwood> yeah
<ericwood> it's for OS X though
<the8thbit|work> I see
<ericwood> all of the libraries are just ruby files in the github repo: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/tree/master/Library/Formula
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<ericwood> adding/updating them is done via pull request, so it's easy for people to keep things going
<ericwood> whereas with aptitude and whatnot you have to bug a single person
<ericwood> anyways, I'm off!
<ericwood> enjoy
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<the8thbit|work> bye
<the8thbit|work> thanks for the help/info
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<the8thbit|work> hm, installing the newest version of ruby from ruby-installer didnt effect my bug lol...
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<lidaaa> the8thbit|work, did you get a new build error?
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<the8thbit|work> hm
<the8thbit|work> lidaaa: nope, exactly the same
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<lidaaa> canyou paste it for history sake
<the8thbit|work> it even says /usr/lib/ruby/1.8
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<the8thbit|work> sure thing
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<lidaaa> here is your first hint
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<the8thbit|work> indeed
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<lidaaa> what do you get when you run "ruby -v"
<the8thbit|work> --version gives 1.8.7
<the8thbit|work> so I know whats wrong
<the8thbit|work> but
<the8thbit|work> I dont know why 1.8.7 is still installed
<lidaaa> becuase you didn't uninstall it
<the8thbit|work> as I ran sudo apt-get remove ruby before I installed ruby-installer and installed a new version
<the8thbit|work> ah
<czaks> lol, i made my own reactor
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<the8thbit|work> apt-get remove ruby1.8
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<czaks> implement most of IO methods
<czaks> implementing*
<czaks> but refinements don't seem to work
<the8thbit|work> the fuck
<czaks> or i understand them wrong
<the8thbit|work> I STILL have 1.8.7 installed
<the8thbit|work> is ruby a virus
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<shevy> why do we get so many trolls lately
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<eam> shevy: sorry
<shevy> no not you
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<shevy> fly2web
<shevy> the8thbit|work
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<lidaaa> the8thbit|work, try uninstall ruby, and before you do anything else check if the removal was successful
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<shevy> wget ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/2.1/ruby-2.1.2.tar.bz2
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<frankS2> Hi, does anyone here have a site to recommend for learning ROR interactive? Like rubymonk for ruby etc?
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<the8thbit|work> lidaaa, shevy: Trying to get chruby to work atm. thanks though
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<the8thbit|work> RVM is not a function, selecting rubies with 'rvm use ...' will not work.
<the8thbit|work> hmmmm
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<mostlybadfly> random question but does anyone have a general idea how much paid apprentiships actually pay?
<mr_snowf1ake> apprentiships?
<mostlybadfly> i guess it would depend on the company
<mr_snowf1ake> yeah, it would probably vary greatly...
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<mostlybadfly> yeah so they take on people with less programming experience to a decent amount of experience and put them in an apprenticeship program under a mentor, under the assumption that they would become a normal developer at some point
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<mostlybadfly> yeah i wish there were general ranges or ideas, i want to work towards a career change but considered that as an option to mitigate potential pay cuts
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<mostlybadfly> i guess i could always apply to places and see what they say heh
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<shevy> the8thbit|work come on man, use the source
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<the8thbit|work> shevy: I already made ruby 2.1.1, that wasn't the problem
<the8thbit|work> it was I hadn't installed it
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<the8thbit|work> I got RVM working though
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<shevy> cool
<shevy> so you are a problem solver
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<shevy> that means you have the teeth to bite through the cheese
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<lidaaa> shevy, where i am from cheese is very soft
<shevy> well it kinda depends
<shevy> lidaaa where are you from?