<workmad3>
bradland: some_method(arg1, *p(arg2, arg3)) is also fun :)
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<waxjar>
there's a small debugging library that took inspiration from p i think
<waxjar>
it's called letters. i always forget to use it :p
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<bradland>
looks cool
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<workmad3>
waxjar: I added in a couple of helpers, like 'e' (which simply raises its argument) to a project at one point, before pry :)
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<workmad3>
made it easier to inspect an object in the context of a rails request while debugging
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<waxjar>
hehe, nice.
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<waxjar>
i should use pry more often too, i'm always using puts statements everywhere :P
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<workmad3>
waxjar: I'll tend to start with a single 'puts' to see something... if I don't get useful stuff on my first go, I'll drop in a 'binding.pry' instead though :)
<jordanm>
do ruby gems have an equiv of python wheels?
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<Cat_1>
I'd prefer a logger - that way I write it once and just change the log level in a config file if i need that back
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<Cat_1>
@polyzen - I don't write games, but you can probably see how many people have forked it on github, and thus, find it useful and contribute to it.
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<bradland>
polyzen: i’d imagine that given the volume of people who come through here asking “how can i build a game in ruby”, it should be a staple of the community
<bradland>
have you talked to the gosu folks about getting a link?
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<bradland>
jordanm: ruby has two things that serve similar purposes to wheels
<bradland>
rubygems is the package distribution mechanism used by ruby
<bradland>
the packages are called gems, which can specify dependencies
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<bradland>
ruby applications frequently rely on many gems, and often specific gem versions, but may not be actual gems themselves.
<bradland>
bundler is a tool for specifying the required gems and their associated versions.
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<workmad3>
bradland: it looks like wheels is just a package installation and distribution system... so analogous to rubygems
<jordanm>
wheels can provide pre-compiled binaries for native modules. that was more what I was looking for
<bradland>
python separates package distribution and packaging
<bradland>
ok, in that case, not really
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<jordanm>
ok, thanks for all the info
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<workmad3>
jordanm: rubygems can handle precompiled binaries, but it's generally not advised apart from for platforms that are difficult to set up a toolchain on (e.g. windows)
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<polyzen>
Cat_1, bradland, i meant the API documentation itself
<Cat_1>
Back in my day, we wrote everything by hand and fed it into the computer one page at a time.
<Cat_1>
and we liked it.
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<Cat_1>
we had to do our memory allocation the hard way
<Cat_1>
kids nowadays with their newfangled APIs
<Cat_1>
:)
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<diegoviola>
and their garbage collectors and JIT
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<bradland>
in my day, a garbage collector is what we called the trash bin we put our worn out punch cards in
<polyzen>
Cat_1, so what are you suggesting? just going straight to the code?
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<omosoj>
can i access instance variables inside objects in irb? i know about #instance_variables, but is there more? like can it out and put it somewhere else?
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<polyzen>
i was trying to use this to build tic-tac-toe in 5 days (not a programmer, yet)
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<GreenRanger>
I have this line of code: @repositories = Finding.distinct.pluck(:repository, :repository_id) is there any way to name the keys of @repositories during this assignment?
<omosoj>
& is pry available in place of the rails console?
<unstable>
https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e4237a3833e7f0aab257 .. in this ruby erb template.. how can I make it so it smartd.conf is always in the same order. sometimes the order changes, and it causes a run to happen for writing this file in a cronjob.
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<unstable>
instead of random
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<unstable>
I basically want to make it so the order is always alphabetized in this file.
<unstable>
The output looks like that.
<unstable>
So it should be in some order
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<workmad3>
unstable: @hardware_health['disks'].sort_by{|disk, attrs| <whatever you want to sort by here>}.each do |disk, attrs|
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<workmad3>
unstable: using .sort_by before the .each is the important bit there, as that sorts the array using the values returned by calling that block for each item
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<unstable>
I want to sort by attrs['Device Id']
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<workmad3>
unstable: so stick that in the sort_by block ;)
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<polyzen>
q/close
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<g-nom3>
ok here's another stupid noob question for you: using https://github.com/roo-rb/roo , how best to write a ruby script so that from a command line i can send source.xlsx and dest.csv as arguments to script such as: ruby rubyscript.rb source.xlsx dest.csv?
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<waxjar>
g-nom3: have a look at ARGV and ARGF
<g-nom3>
ok in docs yea?
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<g-nom3>
exactly what i'm after cheers waxjar
<shevy>
I have the strangest of all errors
<shevy>
"Must be regular user (not root) to copy a file to the clipboard."
<shevy>
and I have no idea from where that one comes. I get it when I invoke a .rb file
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<shevy>
it is somehow related to xclip
<waxjar>
you're not secretly running as root are you? :p
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<shevy>
no, that is not the problem
<shevy>
the problem is that this thing is invoked in the first place
<shevy>
I am invoking a .rb script but this strange error appears
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<shevy>
oh man, I have so many gems
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<shevy>
ok in xclip.c the error message above is not there
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<shevy>
so something else must be responsible
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<dorei>
i guess it's from some security module
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<shevy>
something weird
<shevy>
dorei hmm
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<shevy>
if I invoke it via an alias, I get that above error
<shevy>
but if I do "ruby foo.rb" directly, I don't get that error at all
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<shevy>
g-nom3 a big advantage when you use methods is that you can combine methods
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<shevy>
like in a factory - one worker gives you some unfinished object, you process it further, then give it to the next guy in line. at the end, you have some finished product
<g-nom3>
that is fantastic shevy thank you. elegant too.
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<shevy>
and a class then is essentially a collection of methods
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<shevy>
and your object is the tool that combines the methods, processes the given input and puts out some desired output
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<shevy>
when you then have a finished class, you just call it like
<shevy>
ProcessDocument.new(ARGV)
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<shevy>
dunno what your class really does, it seems to be just a wrapper over other APIs?
<g-nom3>
ah ok.. starting to make a bit more sense now. forgive me. I'm what happens when a developer says you to a designer "you know you really should learn how to code"
<ericwood>
why not just call it Document and have a process method on it?
<ericwood>
ProcessDocument doesn't really semantically make sense
<ericwood>
the idea is you're wrapping multiple document formats and working on them via this class
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<shevy>
g-nom3 well I am sure you as a designer also have those iterative steps
<shevy>
you don't start with the finished design-product after all!
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<postmodern>
i guess what I'm asking is how to support both fail-fast and fail-later
<ericwood>
:\
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<postmodern>
design question, when is it acceptable to raise a parse error vs. to convert the parse error into an InvalidRecord like object for later inspection?
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<ericwood>
the conversion would still be fast, no?
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<postmodern>
ericwood, the "failure" would just happen at a later point in the program
<ericwood>
ah I see
<bradland>
it depends on the context
<bradland>
is my life made harder by the op completing with the exception of the invalid record
<postmodern>
ericwood, say you have an array of records to parse, instead of raising a parse error on the first one, you parse and rescue the error, converting it to some InvalidRecord dummy object
<bradland>
or is it made more difficult
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<ericwood>
oof that can be rough...you have to focus on the 90% case, though
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<bradland>
when i’m dealing with, for example, file inputs, i prefer to die and give the user the opportunity to correct in the file and simply re-import
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<ericwood>
will parsing the rest of the list take long enough that you'd hate yourself?
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<bradland>
if i’m dealing with a GUI, I collect up bad records and let the user know they failed
<postmodern>
ericwood, no
<bradland>
the GUI gives me an opportunity to re-present them
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<ericwood>
postmodern: I'd rather it give me more detailed failure, then
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<postmodern>
bradland, yeah I'm more in that boat, have a suite that runs against the parsed data
<postmodern>
bradland, so one bad record shouldn't prevent the whole suite from running
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<bradland>
yeah, i’d fail-later in that case
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<postmodern>
bradland, but the parsers underneath are just micro-libs
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<bradland>
extra points if the op is idempotent, so they don’t have to worry about double-execution
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<blahwoop>
how should i go about upgrading an existing gem to work on ruby 2.2? is there some type of tutorial or blog i can look at for that?
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<bradland>
blahwoop: run tests under 2.2, fix failures, repeat
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<blahwoop>
damn i feel like a noob for asking that questions lol
<blahwoop>
thanks
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<bradland>
not an unreasonable question
<bradland>
ruby is kind of loose in that regard
<zenspider>
blahwoop: what problems are you having?
<zenspider>
2.2 should be fairly backwards compatible
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<blahwoop>
i haven't tried it yet but was trying to contribute to open source. one of the request was to make gem work on 2.2
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<bl4ckdu5t>
Any better way to loop from January to December like (1..10).each but now (January..December).each
<bl4ckdu5t>
?
<zenspider>
blahwoop: so you don't even know if it has a problem?
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<zenspider>
bl4ckdu5t: Date::MONTHNAMES.each ?
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<blahwoop>
the gem maintainer said it. can't confirm it yet though
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<bl4ckdu5t>
Thanks zenspider
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<bl4ckdu5t>
zenspider: why is the first value nil?
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<bl4ckdu5t>
How can I have delete_at to return the rest of the items in the array rather than the deleted item?
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<bl4ckdu5t>
or any alternative?
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<zenspider>
bl4ckdu5t: what is the name of month 0?
<bl4ckdu5t>
nil
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<bl4ckdu5t>
13 items in the month 0, january, februarty, .. , december
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<bl4ckdu5t>
*13 items in the month: nil, january, februarty, .. , december
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<usinganalias>
Hello all! I want to make an IRB-style achievement-based website as a pet project - does anyone here know of the best way to get an IRB-like prompt in the browser?
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<bl4ckdu5t>
usinganalias: Use butterfly and call irb from it
<usinganalias>
bl4ckdu5t - looks awesome! Do you know of any way that would just have interpreting done on the clientside, or infrastructure-wise is that a bad idea
<usinganalias>
?
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<bl4ckdu5t>
I don't think that'll be a good idea and it'll be much stress too
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<blahwoop>
so i forked the gem and cloned it to my local
<blahwoop>
do i need to do bundle to install all the dependencies
<blahwoop>
im getting SystemStackError: stack level too deep error
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<blahwoop>
While executing gem ... (Gem::Package::FormatError)
<blahwoop>
package metadata is missing in doorkeeper-2.1.0.gem
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<blahwoop>
i tried gem install --dev and the same error came up
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<pontiki>
evening, all
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<agent_white>
Evenin pontiki!
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<pontiki>
agent_white: do you have anything to report?
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<agent_white>
pontiki: Today I am fixing my reporting abilities... but it is a good day to be on planet earth!
<pontiki>
indeed
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<g-nom3>
i'm guessing doing something like this would be considered bad practice right? http://pastie.org/9830796 should i break them in to separate arrays and make the Record class an array of arrays?
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<shevy>
g-nom3 this is perfectly ok if you are sure you need these fields
<shevy>
the problem is that you gave them names
<shevy>
and that is not necessary because you have Array and Hash available, so you can store all of the latter in just either one of them, and access them
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<g-nom3>
hmm ok. let me spend a few minutes writing up what i'm trying to achieve here so you can see where i'm heading with this and maybe advise the best route forward.
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<g-nom3>
ok... sorry Shevy, had to put the kids down for the night. ok from that xlsx source file i read into the script I need to map the existing columns to new columns such as in this pastebin: http://pastebin.com/szhvf8LV the first row is the existing, the second row is the desired, the third row is how it maps to each other
<g-nom3>
i'm still a little vague on this idea of keys and hashes
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<shevy>
I see you are also back on pastebin ;)
<g-nom3>
sorry force of habit
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<shevy>
looks like a lot of linenoise to me
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<g-nom3>
i've been up for days trying to get this working with bash scripts and finally decided last night it was far too complex a task for bash so started looking for a programming language to simplify it. and this is my intro into ruby. just so much to know, so much to learn and now i have very little time to do it so it may be that i have to do it manually for 1200+ rows. and this is just the first steps before i perform the data merge into in
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<g-nom3>
:-(
<g-nom3>
:'( is probably more like it
<shevy>
so
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<shevy>
do you have a minimal dataset
<shevy>
and the desired output
<g-nom3>
yup. i did pastebins for them earlier i think.. let me find em
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<shevy>
I hate pastebin
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<g-nom3>
its just csv so i'm not sure there is any benefit to syntax highlighting... besides, pastie doesn't seem to expire and i'd rather not have my clients data indexed by google
<g-nom3>
is there another option you know of?
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<shevy>
your clients data
<shevy>
why don't you just add any other data
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<shevy>
the idea of a minimal dataset is that one can translate from it to your real dataset
<shevy>
so if the solution works on your minimal dataset, it will surely work on a larger dataset
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<g-nom3>
haha.. sorry not thinking to clearly on account of lack of sleep
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<shevy>
have you tried in irb yet by the way?
<shevy>
once it works in irb, you can just copy past that code into your real .rb file
<pontiki>
use pry instead, and you can edit and build the code inside it
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<agent_white>
And it rhymes with pie.
<agent_white>
Who doesn't like pie?!
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<shevy>
g-nom3 this is how you can use irb - you write a small test dataset into a .csv file. Then in irb, you load it up. Once you have the dataset, you can continue to manipulate it how you see fit. You just have to think in babysteps
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<g-nom3>
ok i'll try that thanks
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<pontiki>
RDD: REPL driven development.
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<shevy>
what is better
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<shevy>
module Test; class Foo; end; end
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<shevy>
hmmmm
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<shevy>
basically I am trying to find out whether: SomeOtherClass < Foo; or SomeOtherClass << Namespace::Foo is better, if one is inside that Namespace
<shevy>
eww, the << should have been a <
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<flaccid_>
hi guys. is there some way to shorten this down to pass rubocop method length? https://dpaste.de/EfBz something like a ternary operator or something
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<apeiros>
but not sure I'd actually prefer that. and doing things just to appease some gods… meh.
<apeiros>
you could factor out the shadow data entry
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<flaccid_>
apeiros: hmm is 1.9 syntax ok? {'y': true, 'n': false}.fetch(str.downcase) {fail 'Invalid response. Please enter y/n.'}
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<apeiros>
flaccid_: a) that's not valid 1.9 syntax, b) no, as `y:` is a symbol, not a string
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<apeiros>
well, with ruby 2.2+, it actually is valid syntax.
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<apeiros>
(but then again, I wouldn't call it 1.9 syntax)
<sevenseacat>
TIL
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<flaccid_>
apeiros: i see. this passes rubocop, what do you think? https://dpaste.de/xTod
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<apeiros>
I'm not convinced that this is more readable than the previous version
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<apeiros>
(and that's exactly my beef with such metrics)
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<apeiros>
I'd probably rather go the route of moving getc_without_echo into its own method
<apeiros>
btw., if you use ruby 1.9+, use io/console. better than shelling out to stty.
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<apeiros>
see IO.noecho
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<flaccid_>
apeiros: so require 'io/console’; str = STDIN.noecho(&:gets).strip
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<apeiros>
looks fine
<apeiros>
will trip on EOF
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<flaccid_>
just take out the strip in this case yeah?
<apeiros>
depends on how you want to handle EOF
<flaccid_>
hmm
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<flaccid_>
‘so they don’t have to press enter after entering y or n'
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<flaccid_>
same behaviour as before. sorry kind of don’t understand how the no echo works
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<apeiros>
not sure whether noecho & raw can be called in one call, but I guess IO.raw { IO.noecho(&:getc) } could work
<apeiros>
flaccid_: noecho doesn't take anything. it disables the echo. gets takes a line. getc takes a character.
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<flaccid_>
apeiros: as noecho takes a line i assume its not possible ?
<apeiros>
and due to line buffering, you also need raw.
<flaccid_>
ok, i understand that now, sec!
<apeiros>
oh, your original used getc, not gets. no wonder you had stty raw.
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<flaccid_>
appreciate the help apeiros. not much lack on using io.raw but thats ok
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<g-nom3>
you still there Shevy? man i'm struggling so hard with this. going back to your code here: http://pastie.org/9830651#31 how do i call the data thats been read in? say for instance i wanted to export it to a new csv file. i'm just going round in circles... reading everything i can but struggling to make sense of it
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<shevy>
g-nom3 the method check_against_menu() will return the dataset
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<shevy>
g-nom3 you can assign a variable to this dataset
<shevy>
g-nom3 and then manipulate that variable
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<g-nom3>
so something like: source = check_against_menu()
<shevy>
"this editor was great, I learned it in just 7 years"
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<g-nom3>
well i learnt to use it in a day but every day i learn something new. i kinda like that about it
<agent_white>
I'm not a good programmer by any means... and learning vim was easy for me. I don't understand why programmers seem to think it's hard, in any way.
<agent_white>
Their IDE's are prolly much more insane.
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<epitron>
agent_white: I bet the vim guides are a lot better now
<tobiasvl>
I can understand that modality is a different mindset
<g-nom3>
i don't not like vim. i'm ok with that too. i just much much prefer emacs to anything else i've tried, including sublime, textmate, eclipse and/aptana
<tobiasvl>
ANYWAY'
<epitron>
How'd you learn it?
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<tobiasvl>
anyway guys
<agent_white>
epitron: Couldn't tell you, didn't read any of them :)
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<g-nom3>
haha
<epitron>
Not to mention the vim plugins
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<g-nom3>
funnily enough though i have emacs looking like sublime... on steroids
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<agent_white>
epitron: Just by using it :) Repetition. My thoughts are... I ssh very often, and don't forward X11 by religion, so I needed to learn vim or emacs. And vim came up sooner I spose :)
<epitron>
g-nom3: you got some screencasts?
<epitron>
agent_white: surely you needed some key reference
<agent_white>
If you don't know vim or emacs enough to use it comfortably, then you have learnin' to do.
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<g-nom3>
screencasts or screenshots?
<epitron>
G
<epitron>
g-nom3: whichever
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<epitron>
Casts would probably show off the steroids better, wouldn't they? :)
<agent_white>
epitron: Nope! Well, TBH, what got me really into the groove was vim-adventures since it taught me "hjkl". That's about it. Before then I still used vim, but used the arrow keys instead.
<g-nom3>
i'll take one. btw org-mode sealed the deal with emacs. i can't imagine life with out it
<epitron>
agent_white: so you guessed all the keys?
<g-nom3>
i don't really have the time to faff about with a screen cast as i must get this shiz done by the morning but i'll take a screenshot for sure
<agent_white>
epitron: Nope! Like I said. I just figure out as I go.
<agent_white>
epitron: Noone at all, knows ALL the keys for their editor.
<agent_white>
Period.
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<agent_white>
epitron: You just need to know enough :)
<epitron>
agent_white: what's the difference between guessing and figuring it out
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<agent_white>
epitron: Who said I guessed?
<agent_white>
epitron: Though "vim grammar" could be an answer to that.... how it uses nouns/verbs/adjectives for commands.
<epitron>
I am not understanding how you learned vim without a reference
<epitron>
You looked up the key bindings?
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<epitron>
Or did you randomly press keys until something happened?
<agent_white>
epitron: Yes. That is what I said (I _thought_) before!
<agent_white>
epitron: I lookup what I need to do :)
<epitron>
You thought it instead of saying it?
<agent_white>
epitron: But, the learning curve for vim is heavily exaggerated.
<epitron>
Yes, I agree
<agent_white>
epitron: I guess so... I'm sorry. I thought i said it :)
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<epitron>
Where did you look the things up?
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<epitron>
agent_white: most things invented by humans for popular use aren't that hard to learn
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<epitron>
g-nom3: looks interesting
<epitron>
Is that org mode in the bottom right?
<g-nom3>
i've got a few different buffers up so its all split
<g-nom3>
yes mate.. its absolute gold
<g-nom3>
i have now completely eradicated the need for office suite
<agent_white>
epitron: 'Popular use' is very relative I believe when said about vim ;P
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<agent_white>
epitron: But just on google. I'm not a fan of man pages as a whole... I like examples too much for it.
<agent_white>
Give me the entire instructions, the theory of it, the parents of the people who made it's history and their brothers... but it won't help me unless I have an example.
<epitron>
agent_white: i'm making a more general statement - if a lot of people know anything, it's not that hard to know
<agent_white>
epitron: Oh I know!
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<epitron>
And the resources for vim are very good now
<epitron>
As is Google
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<epitron>
When I first played with vim in 2002, there weren't many resources
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<epitron>
Man page, O'Reilly book, a reference or two
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<g-nom3>
time will tell if in fact Google is good don't ya think ;-P
<epitron>
Now there's no excuse :j
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<epitron>
g-nom3: the jury is still out...
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<epitron>
Could've been a fluke
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<agent_white>
epitron: Exactly! There's TONS of places to learn it... again, vim-adventures turned me from asdw to hjkl!
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<wasamasa>
vim-adventures is a scam
<wasamasa>
do a few levels, then pay
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<agent_white>
How so? I didn't ever pay for it and it taught me the most important lessons.
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<epitron>
wasamasa: scam, or business model?
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<epitron>
TRY B4 U BUY
<epitron>
true
<wasamasa>
epitron: I dunno honestly, just leaves a bad aftertaste
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<epitron>
that's why kickstarters are doing so well -- you can take people's money, and they FEEL GOOD giving it to you :)
<wasamasa>
"Hey, here's a cool game for you" - *playing few levels* - "Sorry pal, pay to advance any further or get lost."
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<epitron>
yeah
<epitron>
not telling people that they'll eventually have to pay sets their expectations out of whack
<epitron>
bad surprises are bad
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<g-nom3>
kinda how i'm feeling with ruby at the moment... try ruby.. easy to learn.. wanna do something useful... sorry you need a degree
<wasamasa>
what
elaptics`away is now known as elaptics
<g-nom3>
just saying i'm having a hard time grasping it
<wasamasa>
not a single person at my workplace has a degree
<g-nom3>
you should see the amount of documentation i have up at the moment... i've been doing beginners tutorials and all sorts... wasted hours and feel no better off
<g-nom3>
i get that wasamasa and will continue my learning and attempted mastery of ruby but tomorrow i'm to dynamically create 1200 + signs to print for a customer and so far i have a script that takes a source file, checks its extension and invokes the correct method and i'm stuffed if i can get it to do anything else
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<g-nom3>
add to that 5 hours of sleep total this week and you can begin to imagine how shit i feel right now
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<wasamasa>
oh right, should get to work, too
<ddv>
g-nom3: mastering all the api's takes years
<ddv>
and you will never master them all obviously
<wasamasa>
you'll only master the art of looking stuff up
<wasamasa>
and that's what counts
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<g-nom3>
i dont dispute any of that at all. i just thought this would be a relatively trivial task. almost had it working with my bash scripts but it just became infinitely more complex the deeper i got
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<ddv>
g-nom3: then you are doing something wrong
<wasamasa>
not necessarily
<wasamasa>
seemingly simple problems can get complicated easily
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<g-nom3>
ddv: yup apparently believing i have it in me to be a programmer
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<g-nom3>
apologies.. its all nighter #4 and i'm feeling this overwhelming sense of futility.
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<kaspergrubbe>
g-nom3: de you want to burn out?
<leathershibe>
Hi friends. I'm using Dash to browse all docsets at once. I'm wondering if there's a CLI alternative...could ri work in the same way as effectively?
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<g-nom3>
kaspergrubbe: was never my intention. just trying to make it work. this is a big deal for my boss. new customer, big contract, and i foolishly thought i could manage it
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<wasamasa>
leathershibe: nope
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<wasamasa>
leathershibe: the user interface is just different
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<wasamasa>
leathershibe: you might have something closer to it by wrapping it with a tool like your text editor
<leathershibe>
wasamasa: dammit, I want me some cli dash
<leathershibe>
wasamasa: how so? like calling dash from vim or something?
<wasamasa>
leathershibe: yeah, but with some extra code to make it more convenient
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<wasamasa>
leathershibe: I'm using emacs, so I can't go in the details, but there's surely stuff with fuzzy matching and all that for you, too
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<leathershibe>
wasamasa: problem with dash is versions, ri solves that pretty well but ri is a bit...bland, takes a while to find what I want and the search is annoying
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<shevy>
g-nom3 ok so you have that script where you delegate towards one of those APIs
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<shevy>
g-nom3 now you need to determine what is missing
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<g-nom3>
i've just gone through the data set and manually cleaned it, changing to the structure i need as i just couldn't work it out on my own. now i've done this i have a better idea of what needs to be done so i will attempt to write psuedo code in order to help with writing the application.
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<shevy>
good!
<shevy>
write the pseudo code and show it too!
<shevy>
whenever it is about strings and text, ruby is ideal
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<g-nom3>
so i keep hearing. there really is no short cut to learning to program so i just have to keep at it. i'm going to attempt to find a course here in my home town that will give me the proper foundation
<g-nom3>
thank you for all your help anyways shevy. i really appreciate it
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<ernetas>
Hey guys.
<shevy>
g-nom3 well, for learning ruby, you actually chose a task of medium difficulty
<shevy>
so it's harder to progress through that
<shevy>
what may be much simpler is if you use ruby to manipulate/remove/copy files and directories
<g-nom3>
indeed.
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<shevy>
then you'll already have a bunch of things that you can use. for instance, block form of File.new('foo.txt') {|file| file.print 'hello world' }
<ernetas>
Any ideas why would delayed jobs would be running on 1 CPU cores' only? I'm running 24 processes (also, each one of them spawns 2 threads as by default) all running separate ruby interpereters,
<ernetas>
NUMA is enabled on the host.
<shevy>
g-nom3 and for instance, then you also will understand stuff like if __FILE__ == $PROGRAM_NAME, because you need that if you want to use a script from a commandline but also as a standalone library
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<shevy>
g-nom3 I came from php so I wrote a lot of web-related code. ruby can do the same as php can though, much cleaner and shorter
<ddv>
eww shevy
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<g-nom3>
yea the problem is i lack the foundation knowledge in programming principles too. i used to do a lot with drupal and could fake my way through all the php stuff but yea, without the foundation knowledge it just makes things relatively impossible
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<shevy>
well the foundations are really very similar across these languages
<shevy>
unlike like haskell
<shevy>
I couldn't get past why I need a monad
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<g-nom3>
i mainly do design and front end stuff, although i have come from a hardware and network service background... at least they're the main areas i'm qualified in. programming now really interests me though. especially now i feel beaten by this.
<g-nom3>
so i wont give up ... just need to get that foundation learning
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<g-nom3>
ooh i know absolutely nothing about haskell
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<ddv>
you need a phd to understand haskell
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<wasamasa>
nope
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<shevy>
wasamasa why do we need a monad
<shevy>
g-nom3 ruby can be quite complex
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<wasamasa>
shevy: it's just a higher level of abstraction
<shevy>
g-nom3 start with php if you already design
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<wasamasa>
shevy: which allows you to use common utilities on every monad
<wasamasa>
shevy: there's been a ruby talk explaining it in more detail
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<ddv>
did you just recommend, php, shevy?
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<shevy>
ddv for learning sure
<workmad3>
ewww, no
<workmad3>
you'll pick up so many bad habits you need to unlearn from PHP
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<ddv>
shevy: get the *uck out, now!
<shevy>
he'll learn how to use functions
<ddv>
:)
<shevy>
php still has better online docu than ruby too
<shevy>
although its user comments part are excessive
<shevy>
g-nom3 yeah, after you learned php you'll also have to be prepared to forget it
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<workmad3>
shevy: yeah, basically you're suggesting he takes 3 months to learn PHP, and then spend about as much time stripping it from his memory while learning a language that doesn't indoctrinate you in mentally-screwed up code constructs ;)
<shevy>
ruby is not a simple language
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<shevy>
g-nom3 did you look at "Learn to Program" yet?
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<shevy>
awww
<shevy>
bookmarks are recipes for forgetting things
<shevy>
I have a few hundred right now
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<workmad3>
shevy: I don't bother with bookmarks... I just leave tabs open :)
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<g-nom3>
haha.. i'm usually meticulous in my organisation and regularly revisit anything in my book marks. plus i have an org-mode doc that i call my "ultimate guide" which i collect all my useful links, snippets, tutorials etc so i promise i wont forget it
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<g-nom3>
reading is very difficult for me at this point in time given this is my 4th day awake .. .i've just been pushing through in order to try and get this done... was hoping to please the boss. right now i must take a short break and go and get more red bull
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<g-nom3>
work in t minus 5 hours
<shevy>
don't kill yourself man
<ddv>
you sound very depressing g-nom3
<g-nom3>
shevy: i gave my word i would have it done. that means everything to me so i will come through... or die trying.
<g-nom3>
ddv: sorry i don't mean to be depressing
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<g-nom3>
bbs
<ddv>
g-nom3: there is more than work in life you know
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<g-nom3>
i know but i have a family to support and a failed business to pay off so the best i can do is work hard to recover. life is expensive. i'm hoping all my efforts will not go unnoticed
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<atmosx>
hello
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<mostlybadfly>
Hello good morning
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<atmosx>
hm it's 16:25 here :-P
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<atmosx>
but good morning anyway ;-)
<mostlybadfly>
It is 08:25 here
<atmosx>
yeah I figured.
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<shevy>
15:33 here
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<elfuego>
does anyone know a good ruby profiling tool?
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<elfuego>
performance profiling***
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<Moter8>
So I'm setting up ruby with rbenv following some howto guide. But now when trying to install a gem I'm getting "mkmf.rb can't find header files for ruby at /usr/lib/ruby/include/ruby.h"
<Moter8>
I guess I have to install some dev tools, but which?
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<workmad3>
Moter8: that looks like you attempted to install ruby via apt-get packages
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<Moter8>
workmad3, I think I didnt do that
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<elfuego>
Does anyone know a performance profiling tool for ruby?
<apeiros>
elfuego: ruby-toolbox.com knows
<workmad3>
Moter8: well, something like that has happened... all the mechanisms listed on that page download ruby source and compile, so they don't end up without sources
<apeiros>
elfuego: -rprof will load the stdlib profiler
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<apeiros>
or was it -rprofile?
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<workmad3>
Moter8: it could be that ruby was installed by apt-get by something without you realising, and you haven't activated the ruby version you want through the console
<Moter8>
ruby -v outputs 2.1.2.p95
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<Moter8>
the one in the repos should be older though
<workmad3>
Moter8: well, the instructions on that page install 2.1.5... so something is odd there :P
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<Moter8>
:((
<workmad3>
Moter8: which method did you use? rbenv? rvm? chruby?
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<Moter8>
rbenv
<workmad3>
Moter8: and you typed 'rbenv install 2.1.5'?
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<Moter8>
this feels super strange
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<workmad3>
Moter8: what does 'which ruby' give you in fish?
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<workmad3>
Moter8: when it reports 2.1.2
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<Moter8>
workmad3, /usr/bin/ruby
<eka>
hate haml ... could become an unreadable mess... this legacy code... :P
<workmad3>
Moter8: aha, and now we find the cause... that's a system-installed ruby
* eka
just ranting
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<Moter8>
:( oh
<workmad3>
Moter8: so somehow fish isn't getting the rbenv shims path at the front of PATH in some circumstances
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<Moter8>
so... it's possibly a fish bug?
<workmad3>
Moter8: I've never used either fish or rbenv though, so no idea what conflict you could be hitting :/ but at least now you know roughly what's happening :)
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<Moter8>
okay, thanks for the help :)
<workmad3>
Moter8: it could be as simple as rbenv added itself to the PATH in a customisation of .bashrc, and you need to make a similar change in fish's equivalent ;)
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<workmad3>
Moter8: and then when you invoked fish from bash, fish picked up the modified PATH from bash running .bashrc or .bash_profile
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<Moter8>
Oh, it's probably that
<Moter8>
there are some export lines in the .bashrc for rbenv
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<workmad3>
Moter8: aha :)
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<waxjar>
if you're documenting / talking about an Array, sometimes people write #size to refer to Array#size
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<waxjar>
dman777_alter: variables in ruby are references to objects
<workmad3>
dman777_alter: there's 'defined?' which will tell you things like if the 'thing' is a local expression, instance variable, undefined, method, etc
<dman777_alter>
waxjar: cool...what if I want to see if the reference is to a object or array?
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<workmad3>
dman777_alter: otherwise you just use 'foo.class' to find out the class
<workmad3>
dman777_alter: don't make the common mistake of type-checking everything everywhere in ruby... it leads to painful code :)
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<dman777_alter>
With '@devices_with_config = ConfigTextSearch.search params[:device_id]'; puts(@devices_with_config).... I get #<Elasticsearch::Model::Response::Result:0x007fc69798b628>. How would I find out what type it is for iterating through it?
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<waxjar>
i'm guessing it has an each method, but check the documentation for that class to be sure :)
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<dman777_alter>
thanks
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<shruggar>
Would this be the right channel in which to ask for advice on which modules may be helpful in solving a problem (a problem which may potentially be resolved by the solution "don't write it yourself, just use <prepackaged existing application>"?
<j2p2>
yup
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<Cat_1>
We actually hate questions here
<Cat_1>
and hate solving problems, that's why we became programmers
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<drunken_thor>
we should write something to answer those questions
<j2p2>
being awful... 'cat'ty, over there
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<shruggar>
I would like to create an interactive (command-line) screen for selecting specific lines out of a file. For example, I am okay with having a menu-driven option for selecting files themselves, and when a file is selected, I want to show the file, as one might see in "less", with the added functionality of being able to "pick" lines from the file, in order to pass those lines on to the next stage of the program. I really
<shruggar>
don't want to re-implement all of "less", though, so I'm looking for anything which already provides similar functionality, and either does exactly what I want, or which can be easily extended. I ask this in #ruby only because I'm writing the program in ruby so-far
<shruggar>
also I'm really bad at formulating concise questions
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<j2p2>
so you want to be able to look at the cat'ed file and pick a line?
<atmosx>
shruggar: there's this program called 'vim'. If you add nerdtree (a plugin) I'm sure you get the same functionality.
<j2p2>
not programmatically, just looking at it and choosing?
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<shruggar>
j2p2: in short, yes. I'm trying to provide an interface for manual selection of particular lines
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<mostlybadfly>
You could display line numbers next to each line and prompt for a number
<mostlybadfly>
That would seem fairly easy to implement
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<j2p2>
^ this is a good idea
<atmosx>
hm, seriously I don't think can be done beautifully without ncurses.
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<mostlybadfly>
Just file open each line with a number in front and you could even puts "which line do you want "
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<mostlybadfly>
It won't ve cute but it is the same functionality
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<mostlybadfly>
Be*
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<shruggar>
I assume ncurses would be involved, I'm more thinking "is there anything which already uses ncurses and provides a bit of less-like functionality, and is extensible" basically, a starting point slightly higher than ncurses
<mostlybadfly>
The ideal would be to be able to scroll and highlight each line and hit enter on the one you want
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<shruggar>
mostlybadfly, that's exactly what I'm trying to get to. I found a program called "iselect" which seems to be closest to what I want, but I haven't been able to find the source code (all links are broken) and has a couple of things on input lines which it interprets, while I would like to take the input "raw"
<atmosx>
a nice ncruses blue-black screen alla tmux session with the ability to keep tract of the selected lines, working with arrows and as mostlybadfly said hit 'space' or another predefined key to 'select' lines is what most people will think out of your desc shruggar
<mostlybadfly>
Hmmm I'm going to look at ncurses . don't really know about it tbh
<mostlybadfly>
This all is making me curious
<atmosx>
shruggar: I think once you figure out how to use ncurses, the rest will be fairly easy.
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<shruggar>
sounds like ncurses is as prepackaged as I'm going to get
<mostlybadfly>
There is a gem or whatever
<atmosx>
shruggar: so just start playing around with them.
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<mostlybadfly>
I'm sure it'll come start coming together at least you have the tool and the idea of how it would work
<shruggar>
really, if I would need to start by implementing less-like functionality, in order to get less-like functionality, I'm just going to go back to my original plan of adding a vim command to talk to my ruby script
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<atmosx>
guardian: you can do that using 'net/http' easily I guess.
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<guardian>
is there a way I do a basic auth on the connection instead of each request?
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<atmosx>
guardian: hm. Actually I used faraday to consume an API recently, but I guess it's the same logic everywhere: You create an object which contains the login credentials as hash prams and then you create new instances of the object..
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<gregf_>
Paradox: stupid is a nice name for a gem too ;)
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<apeiros>
aaahahaha, title "What every programmer should know about memory" PDF. "sure, bring it on!" you think. but blam, it clocks in at 114 pages :D
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<Paradox>
lol
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<Moter8>
gah, so far ruby is a pain
<apeiros>
o0
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<Paradox>
Moter8 it gets easier
<Paradox>
where are you stuck
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<GaryOak_>
Here we go o_o
<Paradox>
before ruby i hated programming, now i live by it (literally)
<apeiros>
Moter8: you don't have imagemagick installed
<apeiros>
or not in a location where rubygems finds it
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<apeiros>
and WHY do you paste a pic?
<apeiros>
I don't want your lousy 17.3 DPI font :-p
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<GaryOak_>
hahaha
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<Moter8>
apeiros, VM
<Paradox>
Moter8 what os are you on
* apeiros
read *some excuses*
<Moter8>
It really has no pretty well to tell me that a gem thing is missing?
<Moter8>
way*
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<Paradox>
it tells you right ther
<apeiros>
Moter8: it's a dependency to something outside of rubygem's control
<Paradox>
Checking for ImageMagick version >= 6.4.9… ***extconf failed***
<apeiros>
so what precisely you have to install varies greatly from platform to platform
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<Paradox>
that means you need imagemagick
<Paradox>
at least
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<apeiros>
which in turn makes it rather annoyingly difficult to provide a useful error message
<apeiros>
blame package managers and their inability to create some standards for such things.
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<Moter8>
extconf is external config i guess?
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<Paradox>
yup
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<apeiros>
extension config
<Paradox>
apeiros why cant everyone just use homebrew
<apeiros>
you're installing a native extension
<apeiros>
Paradox: homebrew is a hack
<Paradox>
a hack that works
<apeiros>
starts with monopolizing a global directory to a single user…
<Paradox>
so change its config
<Paradox>
:p
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<apeiros>
yes. it's the best out of a turdfest :-{
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<apeiros>
Paradox: to get all kinds of things break in weird ways because they make idiotic assumptions?
<Paradox>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<Paradox>
still better than apt-get
<apeiros>
I've learned that lesson long ago :-|
<Paradox>
pacman aint bad
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<Paradox>
its probably my second favorite as an end-user
<apeiros>
what's your favorite then?
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<apeiros>
I don't deny that homebrew is the way to go with what we have. but I say the current overall situation is just plain and utter suck.
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<yjmsf20>
what's the ruby equivalent of scala "val stuff = for (i <- 1 to x) yield new Foo(i)" ?
<yjmsf20>
stuff = 1..x do blah end ?
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<centrx>
what does that scala do?
<waxjar>
i don't know any scala, but i think Array.new(x) { Foo.new(i) } comes close
<centrx>
is that like an Anumerator?
<yjmsf20>
basically, stuff will now be a Seq/List of Foo
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<waxjar>
eh, let the block take |i|
<yjmsf20>
new Foo() can be any block of code, the result of which will fill teh stuff list
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<centrx>
1.upto(x).map { |i| Foo.new(i) } will get you an array, but fully evaluated, not lazy
<centrx>
similar to the one above
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<Moter8>
"The file '/usr/local/bin/bundle' specified the interpreter '/usr/bin/ruby2.1', which is not an executable command."
<Moter8>
ruby really doesnt want me to use it.
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<yjmsf20>
centrx: nice
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<d10n-work>
Is there a nice way to get the time taken for an expression to run in one line? I'm stepping through code in a debugger and I can evaluate one-line expressions but I can't add functions
<centrx>
d10n-work, check out "Benchmark" ?
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<bradland>
Moter8: still fighting your env?
<bradland>
You working in a VM now?
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<bradland>
pry lets you use shell-like commands to explore your namespace
<bradland>
for example, you can `cd String`
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<bradland>
then `ls`
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<bradland>
and pry will list the methods of String
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<c_nick>
bradland, hmm is it better than using RubyMine?
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<Kharma>
Hey all, I am pretty new to Ruby but I am trying to write a script to check if a url is responding via SSLv3. I was looking at the OpenSSL library but it doesn't appear to contain anyway to gather that information. Is there a better library for this?
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<bradland>
c_nick: pry is like irb. RedMine is an IDE, so they’re not really equivalents
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<louism2wash>
Hey guys, I'm trying to figure out how I would go about testing a script that takes input from $stdin and outputs a value to $stdout. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
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<bradland>
louism2wash: have a look at the Open3 library, which will allow you to provide STDIN and capture STDOUT (as well as STDERR) to external programs.
<Moter8>
bradland, hey that seems to work nicely
<Moter8>
the fish config thing
<bradland>
cool cool
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<bradland>
fish isn’t POSIX compliant, so a lot of the ruby switching utility maintainers don’t give it a lot of love
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<Moter8>
but now (well since half an hour ago) I have some bundler issue
<bradland>
if you’re going to use it, you have to look carefully at what the utility you’re using is trying to do, then implement the fish equivalent
<Moter8>
"The file '/usr/local/bin/bundle' specified the interpreter '/usr/bin/ruby2.1', which is not an executable command."
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<c_nick>
thanks bradland off to world of reading
<Moter8>
hmm
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<bradland>
the first thing i’d do is attempt whatever you’re doing under bash
<bradland>
to see if it works
<bradland>
if it does, then the “problem” is fish
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<Moter8>
Same error but in german
<Moter8>
Defunkt interpreter: file could not be found
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<bradland>
can you do `ls -la /usr/local/bin/bundle` ?
<Moter8>
I probably have to ln -s the ruby binary from rbenv?
<bradland>
you shouldn’t have to
<Moter8>
rwxr-xr-x 1 root root etc
<bradland>
the key to getting this working is to make sure your environment isn’t mixed between system installed binaries and rbenv managed binaries
<bradland>
i use RVM
<bradland>
RVM has a command, `rvm info` that outputs everything i need to debug my environment
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<bradland>
if something is wrong, it shows up there, and i go and fix it
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<bradland>
i don’t know of an equivalent in rbenv, but if someone in the channel does, hopefully they’ll speak up
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<Moter8>
Is there like some #ruby-newbs channel?
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<rpag>
Moter8, this is it
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<Moter8>
well, I'm just confused now
<Moter8>
why does the software fight me
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<bradland>
Moter8: the issues you are having are environment related
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<bradland>
which is to say, the install process for these tools are designed to work in an environment that is relatively striaght forward (not customized heavily)
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<bradland>
once you go outside that mainstream, you have to understand your environment well enough to make the necessary alterations
<bradland>
or go back to a more mainstream environment
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<Moter8>
bash "fights" me too :(
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<bradland>
it is almost certainly a path issue
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<bradland>
if it were RVM, i could help, but i don’t know rbenv.
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<havenwood>
Moter8: there's also a ##new2ruby channel, but this is a good place as well
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<Moter8>
bradland, So I followed again but now I installed rvm. Previously removed the rbenv things I saw before. Installed the recommended wrapper thing for fish. Still getting the bundler issue: https://bpaste.net/show/d05aaede7e2f
<Moter8>
havenwood, thanks, I will join there.
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<Moter8>
err, nevermind. wrong dir.
<apeiros>
Moter8: `which bundle`
<apeiros>
you seem to have path issues
<apeiros>
rvm rubies are usually not suffixed
<Moter8>
~/.rvm/gems/....
<apeiros>
and they are not installed in /usr/bin/ either
<havenwood>
Moter8: Do you have bundler installed on the Ruby you're wanting to use?: gem install bundler
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<bradland>
this sounds like a recipe for disaster: “Since RVM is a large collection of bash scripts and fish is not bash-compatible, users of fish need a wrapper around RVM to make it work properly with that shell.”
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<bradland>
if you really, *really* want to stick with Fish, you could try door number 3.
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<john3voltas>
greetings friendly ruby users. i am trying to use a gem called sanguinews on my arch linux box. the gem installs but then it fails to run with a few error messages. i am not a linux newbie but my linux knowledge is a bit limited so i was wondering if someone could give me a hand in figuring out why this is not working. thanks :) https://github.com/tdobrovolskij/sanguinews/issues/31#issue-54160144
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<john3voltas>
oops, i forgot to mention that my pc is running ruby 2.2.0 from archlinux repos, such as stated on the github link,
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<centrx>
john3voltas, Do you have the 'bundler' gem installed?
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<john3voltas>
centrx: i don't think so. gotta go check. brb
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<john3voltas>
centrx: no, not really. bundler is not on the list :(
<bradland>
interesting that bundler isn’t a dep for that gem
<john3voltas>
worse is my linux box doesn't have internet right now so i can't install it :(
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<ericwood>
scpike: ooh cool I'll take a look
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<ddd>
probably because the headers are needed for natively compiled gems (Cext) but not for pure ruby gems and the arch maintainers look at that as being an optional requirement. :shrug:
<john3voltas>
bradland: then i think i'll head over to #archlinux and ask there too. too bad they're not too keen on ignorants like me :|
<bradland>
john3voltas: i’ve solved your problem :)
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<bradland>
posting on the issue
<ericwood>
scpike: do you have a formal job posting? can't find a link to any on the site
<john3voltas>
great :D
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<scpike>
ericwood: messaged you, not sure what the etiquette is on advertising jobs in #ruby
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<bradland>
so, in summary: 1) all that duplicate key jazz is just a warning (which they should fix anyway), and 2) that bundler dep is dumb and probably doesn’t even need to be there.
<bradland>
but installing bundler will solve your problem
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<john3voltas>
thanks bradland . i've looked around for a place where to download bundler gem. found this but i don't see a link where i could click to download the gem... :( https://rubygems.org/gems/bundler/versions/1.7.12
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<bradland>
john3voltas: on your machine, use `gem fetch bundler`
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<bradland>
that will download the .gem file, but will not install it
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<john3voltas>
oh...i don't have ruby on this windows machine :(
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<bradland>
doh!
<bradland>
just a sec
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<john3voltas>
yeah, i've sounded like homer a lot in the last half hour...
<apeiros>
so, tiny orm can now properly roundtrip over json
<apeiros>
next step: js model generation and data synchronization
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<conniemj>
Hello all, I am a beginner at Ruby and I am trying to make a dashboard as a first project to learning the language. Can anyone give me any good references on how to edit and create your own widgets, please?
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<conniemj>
bradland: Yes, I realize that, but it uses the Ruby framework does it not?
<conniemj>
bradland: Thanks for the link!
<bradland>
not that i’m aware of
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<bradland>
conniemj: It’s possible that you might have seen a Dashboard Widget tutorial where the Widget made requests to a web service running Ruby. That’s about all I can think of.
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<CrazyM4n>
Okay, I know this is a terrible idea and I should never do this in real code
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<CrazyM4n>
But is it possible to redefine "="?
<CrazyM4n>
Er, not the string, the actual = operator
<terrellt>
CrazyM4n: = isn't an operator, it's the suffix of a method.
<CrazyM4n>
Oh?
<terrellt>
CrazyM4n: Unless you mean like, def yo; b = c; end;
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<CrazyM4n>
Yeah, I actually mean variable assignment