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<freeone3000> New and exciting problems: https://gist.github.com/freeone3000/82b722a65a37688f3c49
<freeone3000> Updated with attempts to call --version on each.
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<dorei> >> require 'io/console'
<ruby[bot]> dorei: # => true (https://eval.in/504863)
<Ox0dea> 19>> require 'io/console'
<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: # => true (https://eval.in/504864)
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<Ox0dea> It's a gem that's been bundled with Ruby since forever.
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<apeiros> ?experiment dorei
<ruby[bot]> dorei: Please use your local irb or pry (see ?pry) to experiment, ruboto's eval functionality is for demonstration purposes only.
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<dorei> apeiros: how can you tell apart the two cases? :S
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<Ox0dea> dorei: Can't you?//
<apeiros> dorei: seriously? to whom did you demonstrate what?
<dorei> apeiros: i dont know, to the same person that Ox0dea demonstrated the same thing
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<apeiros> dorei: suuuure
<freeone3000> Ox0dea: I know. That's why it's odd. How do we fix it?
<apeiros> dorei: just so you know - trying to weasel out is something which gets me pissy quickly.
<dorei> apeiros: that's your problem, not mine
<apeiros> !kick dorei watch it
dorei was kicked from #ruby by ruby[bot] [watch it]
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<Gasher> Hey, I'm new to Ruby. I just wanted to clarify my assumption: Is the |varaible| a temporary variable for the do statement?
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<zambini> It's what is passed into the block
<lucasb> anyway, seems like ruby 2.0 will be EOLed soon, so it's good to upgrade
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<Ox0dea> Gasher: That's a fine way to think about it.
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<Ox0dea> Blocks introduce a new scope, if that's the crux of your question.
<Darmani> apeiros - Using the banhammer well I see? =P
<apeiros> Darmani: it's a kick with a 1min ban.
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<Ox0dea> >> value = :old; [1,2,3].each { |value| }; value # Gasher
<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: # => :old (https://eval.in/504865)
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<Darmani> But did he deserve it?
<apeiros> Darmani: if you want to discuss that -> #ruby-banned.
<Gasher> Thanks, I'm still getting used to some of Ruby's syntax, thanks and good night :)
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<Darmani> There's a channel for that? lmao
<Ox0dea> Darmani: How come you still come here?
<Darmani> Ox0dea: Why do you care?
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<Ox0dea> Are you asking me to quell my curiosity for your benefit?
<Darmani> Ox0dea - It was a simple question.
<Ox0dea> As was mine.
<lucasb> Darmani, Ox0dea: watch it! apeiros will kick both of you.
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<Ox0dea> apeiros still feels bad about that time he kicked me.
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<apeiros> Ox0dea: sure
<Ox0dea> ^_^
<Darmani> lucasb - I wouldn't put it past him =p
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<Darmani> Ox0dea - Sometimes I need help. That's why I'm here. Plus you are all like family<33
<Darmani> lulz
<Ox0dea> I thought you'd given up on learning Ruby.
<Darmani> LOL
<Darmani> Who told you that?
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<freeone3000> What's the best way to install ruby on Amazon Linux? It appears the ruby it comes with does not have io.console, so I'm sort of stuck as for what to do next.
<Radar> freeone3000: What Ruby version do you have?
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<freeone3000> Radar: https://gist.github.com/freeone3000/82b722a65a37688f3c49 . Second file is my ruby version, but the bundle --version underneath makes me think I don't really have that version of ruby
<Radar> Ok, so 2.0.0.
<Radar> gem install io-console might get it for you.
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<quazimodo> We have a failing sidekiq worker and I was debugging it, the except that is being raised is IllegalStateMonitorException. I googled this and I'm getting Java code... the worker uses phantomjs so I'm so confused
<quazimodo> does sidekiq use java?
<Radar> no
<eam> unless you're using jruby I suppose
<quazimodo> here we go
<quazimodo> it's cruby
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<quazimodo> ooooo weird
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<Radar> freeone3000: sucks :(
<quazimodo> RuntimeError: java.lang.IllegalMonitorStateException sidekiq/middleware/server/retry_jobs.rb:136:in `attempt_retry'
<quazimodo> thats' so unexpected, i'm going to go investigate. Surprising shit
<Ox0dea> freeone3000: yum install ruby-devel
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<Radar> quazimodo: That's re-raising an exception.
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<quazimodo> Radar: yeah I'm going to have to go searching to see why
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<freeone3000> Ox0dea: Excellent. That moved me to https://gist.github.com/freeone3000/83f7a707718eed25b18a (updated)
<Radar> quazimodo: Try to reproduce it outside the context of a Sidekiq job?
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<quazimodo> ~something~ in our stack is touching something that I'm not expecting
<quazimodo> yeah we're unable to
<freeone3000> Ox0dea: It looks like my compiler can't build executables, I'm going to try installing "Development Tools" group
<quazimodo> it looks to be happening when the ram drops to a couple hundred megs on this server
<quazimodo> I'll start stripping things out
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<freeone3000> And that'll take a bit... But this looks like the correct path, thanks.
<Ox0dea> freeone3000: Yep, that should do it. :)
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<Ox0dea> "Development Tools" is gonna bring in lots of stuff you probably don't need, though.
<freeone3000> Ox0dea: And that got it. It's now running 'bundle install' successfully, thanks.
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<Radar> quazimodo: Hire a consultant time, methinks. I don't think anyone in here could debug it.
<quazimodo> perhaps
<quazimodo> I'm going to dig a bit more
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<quazimodo> oddly enough the job is fine when we run by hand in console on the machine, but not when run in sidekiq via unicorn
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<Radar> Unicorn doesn't involve itself with Sidekiq jobs
<Radar> the request enqueues a job in Sidekiq then the Sidekiq worker takes that job and works with it
<Radar> So if you think it's RAM, give the machine more RAM?
<Radar> Might be that it's trying to allocate more RAM than is free and that's all it is.
<Radar> Occam's Razor and all that.
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<quazimodo> Radar: you are thinking the same line we are
<quazimodo> that error seems to be about mutex and thread stuff
<quazimodo> I think its' probably the ram allocation too
<Radar> quazimodo: There's one way to find out.
<quazimodo> tohugh the solution to add more ram ... hwat happens when load goes up... weirderrors again...
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<Darmani> Radar are you busy?
<quazimodo> yeah i'll call hte host
<Radar> Darmani: Constantly.
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<Radar> quazimodo: Time to rewrite it in Elixir.
<Darmani> Lmao maybe I should be more specific..
<quazimodo> Radar: ive been heading down that path
<quazimodo> you enjoying it?
<Darmani> Do you have a moment to look at my code =P
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<Radar> Darmani: I would if I didn't spend it answering questions about whether I have time to look at it.
<Radar> ;)
<Darmani> You know, sarcasm kills kittens.
<Radar> I'm feeling like a real smartass today because I was having a shit day then the next thing I did was amazing and so I feel better.
<Darmani> Everytime you use sarcasm, god kills a baby kitten.
<Darmani> Please think of the kittens.
<Radar> Darmani: It's ok. There's a lot of cats.
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<Darmani> Radar - lmao
<Darmani> Well let me fix a few things and i'll show it to you
<Ox0dea> Many more cats than gods.
<Ox0dea> (I worship Maru.)
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<Radar> Darmani: Thanks :)
<quazimodo> Radar: you know if celluloid does any java touching?
<quazimodo> I can't imagine it does
<Radar> quazimodo: It does not.
<quazimodo> yeah I was grasping at straws
<Radar> My guess is it's whatever is running PhantomJS.
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<Darmani> Radar - So this is a very simple, stupid video game. And I'm sure I'm not doing it right. Can you show me how something like this would be done?
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<Radar> Darmani: No need for self. prefix when referencing instance variables.
<Radar> @name.@defense.size is weird too. Which one do you mean to reference?
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<Darmani> umm if one player was to attack another
<Darmani> So that would be like the second player? or character?
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<Radar> You're passing another object there, so you should probably call it other_player instead of name.
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<baweaver> also name the class Player
<Darmani> Okayy
<Darmani> How would I reference the other_player?
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<Radar> You don't need @strength because attr_accessor makes them available as methofds
<Radar> methods*
<Radar> And @strength isn't an array or a string, so you can't call .size on it
<Darmani> :o
<Darmani> got it.
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<baweaver> also for take_damage I would suggest not using puts
<Radar> I'll leave it to you to figure out why attack returns nil.
<baweaver> that's not the concern of the object
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<baweaver> also, how much damage does it take?
<Darmani> Radar - Mmk. Thanks man. You are a gentleman and a scholar<3
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<baweaver> If PlayerA has 100 ATK vs PlayerB with 10 DEF, wouldn't you expect a lot more damage?
<Darmani> baweaver - That's a good question... I didn't really think that far ahead.
<Darmani> I really just wanted to get the code to run without errors lol
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<baweaver> attack: player_b.take_damage [player_a.attack - player_b.defense, 0].max
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<Ox0dea> s/0/1/ maybe.
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<baweaver> maybe, depends on style of it more than anything
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<baweaver> then again I'd say that the attack method isn't the concern of a player either
<baweaver> a player is just a data structure
<baweaver> have an external module of actions that take two or more players and tell them what to do with eachother
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<baweaver> Actions::Attack.physical(player_a, player_b)
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<baweaver> though that strafes more functional
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<baweaver> Pokemon might look like: Actions::special(attacker: pikachu, using: thunderbolt, against: magikarp)
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<baweaver> Might namespace moves as well for their elements
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<baweaver> most of the reason to abstract the actions would be that otherwise you end up with concerns of the actions and other pokemon all over a single entity
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<baweaver> Darmani: try making Pokemon :D
<Ox0dea> You could have Monster#attack invoke #defend on other, but that's not very good.
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<Darmani> baweaver - Lol that's a good idea.
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<zeknox> anyone know of a way to use nokogiri xpath case insensitive without having to use translate() … my Gemfile.lock shows I'm using xpath 2.0 but I cant use lower-case() that is suppose to be added
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<Ox0dea> zeknox: This looks to be what you're after: http://stackoverflow.com/a/8812293
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<Darmani> People
<Darmani> quuick question.
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<Darmani> What's a FREE book on Ruby that I should read?
<Darmani> :O
<Darmani> Radar you're like an angel with no wings
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<Ox0dea> Who says he doesn't have wings?
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<Darmani> Ox0dea - yeah, that's true. I frequently imagine you as a donkey =p
<zeknox> Ox0dea: thanks for the link, I'll test that out
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<Radar> No Red Bull, so no wings.
<Ox0dea> zeknox: Why's translate() a no-go?
<Darmani> Radar - Don't drink that shiit. That's so bad for you.
<Radar> Darmani: Yes, I know. I don't even have caffeine.
<zeknox> Ox0dea: its running slow as shiz and CPU is spiking pretty bad
<Darmani> Radar - how do you function without caffeine? Are you even human?
<Radar> Darmani: I have ascended to a higher astral plane.
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<Darmani> Radar - Clearly.
<Darmani> I guess that explains the wings lol
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<quazimodo> Radar: was a package being called through like 3 layers of delegation
<quazimodo> a java app ... dur
<Radar> quazimodo: and how did you fix it?
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<quazimodo> no idea was stuffing face as coworker isolated where exactly things broke via copious logger.warns
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<quazimodo> next step figure out how that external package is being used
<quazimodo> we tested it and it workson that machine from command line
<quazimodo> perhaps we change our task to call the binary manually with `binary do stuff` and see what happens
<quazimodo> I'll check how the gem that provides the functionality uses it frist
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<quazimodo> this was an interesting bug
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<Ox0dea> Do a postmortem.
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<quazimodo> Radar: RJB with sidekiq is pretty shit
<quazimodo> i think it's RJB
<quazimodo> can't be sure if RJB or the jar file it' using
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<Radar> right
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<micah_> hey, how do i reference a rake rule as a dependency for another task, is that possible?
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<micah_> or can i only have rules dependent on rules?
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<quazimodo> Radar: I played with phoenix a bit
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<quazimodo> it's a different experience but I really like it so far
<quazimodo> so snappy
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<blackms> hello, is there someone here who uses rubymine?
<ddv> no one
<Radar> literally nobody
<Ox0dea> Nary a soul.
<Radar> except that one guy but nobody is sure if he is alive any more or even if he existed in the first place
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<Ox0dea> Some say he's still trying to get Bundler integrated to this day.
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<Radar> "Just one more package"
<blackms> is it bad?
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<blackms> lol
<blackms> cmon no
<Radar> blackms: Do you really feel like you need RubyMine? Why won't something as basic as Sublime Text 3 be good enough for you?
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<blackms> Radar, because I already have the license
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<Radar> I'm sorry. So sorry.
<Radar> david-tenant-crying-in-rain.gif
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<blackms> and I really appreciated PyCharm
<Ox0dea> Radar: The one with the nose droplet or without?
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<blackms> lol
<blackms> nice pic
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<Ox0dea> (Warning: very unseeable.)
<blackms> dr who
<blackms> but still i like pycharm
<blackms> the problem with rubymine is not rubymine itself, it's me
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<blackms> btw Radar one reason to have rubymine instead of st3 is to have an integrated debugger
<blackms> just to say one
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<Radar> blackms: One reason for me to go for a swim in the local river here is to grow a third arm which I'm pretty sure I'd find useful if I had one.
<ddv> the visual debugger is nice but then again pry, byebug are great also
<Radar> My debugger is in my terminal.
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<Radar> My test runner is in my terminal
<Radar> A cmd+tab away
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<Radar> Or, it's on the same screen just in another window.
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<blackms> ddv, yes you are right, but the problem here is the time to learn another thing
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<blackms> I mean, ok you are right, I'm doing exactly what shouldn't be done. I'm using an IDE to provide my lack of knowledge
<Ox0dea> But that's the point of technological innovation!
<Radar> A knowledge crutch.
<Ox0dea> Welcome to the future.
<blackms> and I know that this is bad, but I usually don't use ruby and since I'm doing things at work I have to keep in mind the time
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<blackms> well... it's impossible to reason with you
<Radar> Hm that's what I was just about to say.
<blackms> have a nice day gugu guru :)
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<Stratus3D> Wrote an article on HashNuke's asdf, which has greatly simplified my Ruby (and Node.js) version management. Check it out: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10937262
<canton7> the fact that you linked to HN and not the article suggests you're only sharing it to get promotion, not to be useful to other users..?
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<Stratus3D> canton7: I wrote the article in hopes that others would find it useful. I shared the HN link so others can read the article or promote the HN post.
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<Stratus3D> canton7: Is sharing HN links for promotion against the rules in here?
<canton7> I didn't say that :P
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<Ox0dea> Stratus3D: $ chruby | xargs -I ver chruby-exec ver -- ruby -v
<Ox0dea> How do I do that with asdf?
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<Papierkorb> Is there an article somewhere comparing MRI version 2.2 vs 2.3 performance with (micro) benchmarks?
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<dionysus69> is head first ruby a nice way to learn ruby "WELL" ?
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<ruby764> Hello
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<sjums> how else woud you really learn it, dionysus69 ? :)
<ruby764> I'm trying to install ruby on rails on mac OS X El Capitan 10.11.2 following this tutorial http://railsapps.github.io/installrubyonrails-mac.html
<ruby764> but getting an error while installing ruby
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<ddv> ruby764: simple, install homebrew, cruby, ruby-build, gem install rails
<ddv> chruby*
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<ruby764> MacBook-Air:~ gauravsarin$ rvm install ruby-2.3.0 Searching for binary rubies, this might take some time. No binary rubies available for: osx/10.11/x86_64/ruby-2.3.0. Continuing with compilation. Please read 'rvm help mount' to get more information on binary rubies. Checking requirements for osx. Installing requirements for osx. Updating system............................ Installing required packages: autoconf, automake, libtool, pkg
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<ruby764> I get an error when I run rvm install ruby-2.3.0
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<ruby764> Error running 'requirements_osx_brew_libs_install autoconf automake libtool pkg-config libyaml readline libksba', showing last 15 lines of /Users/gauravsarin/.rvm/log/1453293172_ruby-2.3.0/package_install_autoconf_automake_libtool_pkg-config_libyaml_readline_libksba.log
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<ruby764> ddv - I'm using rvm
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<ddv> ruby764: did you install osx command line tools?
<ruby764> yes that is already there
<ddv> alright, no idea then chruby works fine for me
<ruby764> After the above error i searched on stackoverflow and ran this command sudo chown -R "$USER" "$HOME"
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<ruby764> Now when i run rvm install ruby-2.3.0 i get the following error
<ruby764> Checking requirements for osx. ==> Upgrading 1 outdated package, with result: openssl 1.0.2e_1 Error: You must `brew link pkg-config` before openssl can be installed Requirements installation failed with status: 1.
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<ruby764> any idea
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<ddv> ruby764: what does brew doctor say?
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<ruby764> there are lots of warnings
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<ruby764> how do I paste them
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<ruby764> Warning: Unbrewed .pc files were found in /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig. If you didn't put them there on purpose they could cause problems when building Homebrew formulae, and may need to be deleted. Unexpected .pc files: /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/tcl.pc /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/tk.pc Warning: Unbrewed static libraries were found in /usr/local/lib. If you didn't put them there on purpose they could cause problems when building Ho
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<ruby764> Warning: Unbrewed static libraries were found in /usr/local/lib. If you didn't put them there on purpose they could cause problems when building Homebrew formulae, and may need to be deleted. Unexpected static libraries: /usr/local/lib/libtclstub8.6.a /usr/local/lib/libtkstub8.6.a Warning: You have unlinked kegs in your Cellar Leaving kegs unlinked can lead to build-trouble and cause brews that depend on those kegs to fail
<ruby764> Warning: You have unlinked kegs in your Cellar Leaving kegs unlinked can lead to build-trouble and cause brews that depend on those kegs to fail to run properly once built. Run `brew link` on these: pkg-config
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<like-all> Hi, guys. I try to run ronn on my buildserver inside chroot environment. However, ronn fails here https://gist.github.com/Like-all/4f9d56dd160f18c75daf#file-gistfile1-txt-L37-L54 I even tried to export LANG, but it didn't help. What's wrong?
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<chrisarcand> Can someone help me understand the reasoning behind the path used for gem installations using rbenv? This config output confuses me: https://gist.github.com/chrisarcand/bbf593c745fda3ee3a02
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<shevy> chrisarcand you mean /Users/carcand/.rbenv/versions/2.2.3/lib/ruby/gems/2.2.0 ?
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<chrisarcand> shevy: Yeah; why extra version number there/why is it different/etc?
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<havenwood> chrisarcand: ABI compatibility is versioned {MAJOR}.{MINOR}.0.
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<havenwood> chrisarcand: The 2.2.0 is the ABI version.
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<shevy> chrisarcand oh yes, the 2.2.x will always have 2.2.0
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<havenwood> at least it's not 1.9.3 where the ABI was 1.9.1!
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<chrisarcand> havenwood: TIL ABI, looks like I have some reading to do :) Thanks!
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<chrisarcand> havenwood: So the point of ABI versioning in Ruby's case is that gems compiled in different Ruby versions using the same C api (same ABI) could be shared? (But are not shared in my rbenv case, they are in separate rubies that all happen to have the same ABI number)
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<havenwood> chrisarcand: One hangup for actually sharing gems just by ABI is that the RubyGems default is to hardcode the path to the Ruby in gem executables that are installed. You can use a shebang instead with the --env-shebang option that is set to become default with the RubyGems 2.6 milestone.
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<shevy> havenwood knows a lot
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<chrisarcand> havenwood: Awesome, thanks for all the clarification :) Appreciate it.
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<havenwood> chrisarcand: You're welcome. No prob!
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<Bish> that aws shit is powerful, never used it before
<Bish> jesus.
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<apeiros> so it turns water into wine?
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<prestorium> hi all. I'm coding a POC using raw ruby. How should I handle my classes loading? I'm coming from PHP with composer + autoload.php, which has require 'foo.php'; require 'bar.php' and so on.
<prestorium> What is the ruby way to do that?
<prestorium> I won't use any framework for now
<apeiros> a POC?
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<prestorium> Proof of Concept
<apeiros> ruby convention is: put all files in lib/, have names map the constants like Foo::BarBaz -> foo/barbaz.rb
<ddv> piece of c...
<apeiros> rails convention slightly deviates in that convention and uses Foo::BarBaz -> foo/bar_baz.rb
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<shevy> those monsters!
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<apeiros> while testing, make sure your $LOAD_PATH is set up properly, usually you do that by e.g. -I (capital i, not lowercase L): ruby -Ilib bin/your_executable
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<apeiros> and in the files, you require in each file what you need, relative to the lib dir. e.g. if foo.rb, which defines Foo, you need Foo::BarBaz, you have on top of the file `require 'foo/bar_baz.rb'`
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<apeiros> that's all.
<prestorium> apeiros, hmmm what about appending '../lib' to $LOAD_PATH inside my bin/exe?
<apeiros> generally should not do that since you'll want to make your thing a gem. and gem handles that for you.
<apeiros> so fixing the $LOAD_PATH in the executable can be counterproductive.
<apeiros> personally I use 2 lines of code in my exes, one which tests whether ../lib exists, and if so, adds it to $LOAD_PATH. that's borderline acceptable.
<prestorium> got it! thank you very much for now apeiros ! :)
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<Psy-Q> is there a name for a chainable method (like in activerecord, Thing.where(:foo => 'bar').first) so i could search for something that helps me write my own chainable methods?
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<apeiros> Psy-Q: higher-order methods is one name.
<Psy-Q> apeiros: thank you
<apeiros> "proxy object returning method" is not really a name, but kind of a pattern
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<apeiros> and usually the pattern used with HOM
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<imperator> good morning
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<lucasb> I think I hit some bug or unfortunate feature
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<shevy> in php?
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<lucasb> argf = ARGF.class.new('file1', 'file2'); #<-- this doesn't keep track of lineno
<lucasb> but it iterates the files, as expected
<lucasb> the only problem I saw is not updating lineno
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<lucasb> just to clarify: if I do 'while line = argf.gets', it updates lineno
<lucasb> but if I do 'argf.each_line do |line| ...', it doesn't
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<shevy> what is this
<shevy> is this ruby code :)
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<lucasb> looks like it is :)
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<choke> Morning
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<choke> looks like it to me shevy -- i just had to google each_line 'cause i've never seen it before...
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<shevy> haha
<shevy> nah I meant ARGF.class.new and the trailing ; there mostly
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<shevy> there are so many different ruby styles available, many of them confuse me
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<shevy> I need to find that .() example from Ox0dea again ...
<shevy> and combine it with -> and &.
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<choke> ahh now i got you
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<choke> and understand what you mean -- i don't think i've used a semi-colon yet in any of my code ( i may be wrong ) and the .class.new thing...
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<shevy> I sometimes saw it from former php users
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<shevy> ARGF.class.new however had I have not seen before... I guess my brain just is really bad at parsing unknown things
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<shevy> hmmm
<shevy> choke aren't you a PHPer!
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<choke> was -- past tense...
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<choke> when i learn a new language, i learn the basic syntax and then delve right into best practices... though even with php I never named my classes
<choke> something.class.php
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<choke> didn't need to, because everything had it's spot to be placed, and my folder hierarchy told me what is what and why its what
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<ruby[bot]> this seems to be off-topic. Please move your discussion to #ruby-offtopic, to keep this channel free for Ruby related topics. Thanks!
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<shevy> yeah I sorta do that with ruby
<shevy> either one file per class
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<shevy> or a class get its own directory! :)
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<gizmore> i go with include and extend directories for decorators :)
<choke> i do that -- one file per class ( always have ) -- depending on the context of its use... it makes for easier maintainability i think, and i don't have to remember what file a specific class is in.
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<newbie22> *: does anyone know a good website for learning idiomatic ruby
<newbie22> ???
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<shevy> newbie22 you probably have to get dirty and just write a lot of ruby code
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<newbie22> shevy: that was you, yesterday, giving me advice on "*idiomatic ruby",,,, no good sources of starter info ??
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<shevy> newbie22 there is none
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<aegis3121> It's really just writing code, seeing examples, and getting feedback. Being more comfortable with what it has to offer.
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<choke> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/613985/common-ruby-idioms newbie22 some may be out of date, but they're common idioms.. but shevy is right - writing a lot of code.
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<shevy> stackoverflow is really great, most of the time
<shevy> we old people had to use IRC for help!
<shevy> or even worse, MAILING LISTS
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<choke> oh man -- i remember mailing lists lol
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<shevy> I never managed to get into them... but I remember that years ago chris2 commented on something related to the quality of the ruby mailing list no longer being as good as it used to be (something along those lines)
<newdan> newbie22: Not quite 'idiomatic' but still might be helpful: https://github.com/bbatsov/ruby-style-guide
<choke> I started in the development industry over 20 years ago, mailing lists were the best resource at the time..
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<hxegon> >> def dig(arg); Array(arg).inject(self) {|store, key| store[key] } # lol
<ruby[bot]> hxegon: # => /tmp/execpad-d2116d9efae8/source-d2116d9efae8:7: syntax error, unexpected end-of-input, expecting ke ...check link for more (https://eval.in/505310)
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<hxegon> >> def dig(arg); Array(arg).inject(self) {|store, key| store[key] }; end # will I ever get one without a syntax error first time?
<ruby[bot]> hxegon: # => :dig (https://eval.in/505311)
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<newbie22> newdan: thank you
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<choke> that style guide bugs me for some reason... i think we talked about that before, didn't we shevy?
<shevy> the style guide is a bit weird yeah but the best feature is rubocop's autocorrect - that alone makes the weirdness of the style guide acceptable for me :)
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<shevy> I could in theory turn all your people ugly ruby code into pretty shevy-esqe ruby code!
<shevy> (if I would write such a style guide that is)
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<choke> I still haven't played with robocop yet, but definitely seems like a cool tool
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<choke> I might be writing a gem soon, so maybe i'll use it on that if i decide to do it ( a mongo gem, 'cause i want to use Rails5 and mongoid isn't slated to support it until the end of this year... )
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<shevy> I tried to use rubocop on https://rubygems.org/gems/rubywebdialogs and it worked to some extent... like 50% cleaning or so, which is good... but I got tired of having to fix the manual rest, one day I shall try to have rubocop autofix all the problems on a 11 years old codebase
<choke> that'll be interesting lol
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<atomical> Am I going to run into problems creating an array with a million threads? i have a mailchimp request and then i need to process one hundred records and then do another request. I'd like to process the records while some iowait is happening with the http call.
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<havenwood> atomical: Your system thread limit is probably less than a million. This dev machine gets to 2046 with: ruby -e "1.upto(Float::INFINITY) { |n| Thread.new { sleep }; puts n }"
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<atomical> so i need to have some kind of worker queue for threads i guess
<atomical> i don't want to use threads.each { |thr| thr.join } because it blocks
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<havenwood> atomical: consider a thread pool or use something like typhoeus' hydra which is made well and meant for such things: https://github.com/typhoeus/typhoeus
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<havenwood> atomical: Or another example would be HTTP.rb with Celluloid::IO: https://github.com/httprb/http/wiki/Parallel-requests-with-Celluloid::IO
<havenwood> (for single threaded parallel requests)
<havenwood> atomical: There is more than one way to do it!
<atomical> I'll check those out. I'm using the gibbon gem so I might look into some kind of thread pool
<al2o3-cr> +1 typhoeus
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<imperator> one MEELION threads
<shevy> half of which will become zombies
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<shevy> so...
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<shevy> who of you people have experience with transferring ruby maintainer/ownership of ruby projects AND for a project for which it has worked well?
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<imperator> shevy, I've transferred a few
<imperator> seems to have gone over alright
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<choke> well, time for me to actually get up and go to the office... see you all in a bit
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<tubbo> shevy: i've had projects transferred *to* me
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<hxegon> hmm... I need some guidance on something. I'm using Array#shift inside a method, but I don't want it to affect array out of the method. Should I just #dup the array?
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<makenoise> That's the easy way
<makenoise> Either that or find a way to accomplish it without modifying the array.
<makenoise> What are you trying to do?
<hxegon> >> [1, 2].tail
<hxegon> so...
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<lucasb> did you want [].last ?
<makenoise> So you want to be able to grab everything after the first element by using .tail?
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<lucasb> ah, [].drop(1)
<hxegon> lucasb no, #tail would return all elements except [0]
<djellemah> hxegon: ary[1..-1]
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<hxegon> djellemah thanks. makenoise give me a sec to describe my problem
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<hxegon> Define 2 classes, Trees, and TreeNode. Trees#add_path should be able to take a path and add every TreeNode that doesn't exist and return the final node in the path. Trees#add_path passes the call to TreeNode#add_path, which can handle it using basic recursion, but it has to select the right root node first.
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<hxegon> I'm learning about many different and interesting ways you can accidentally an infinite loop today :P
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<hxegon> djellemah that worked well, thanks.
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<djellemah> hxegon: ;-) head, *tail = ary might also help in your case.
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<hxegon> djellemah there we go :)
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<hxegon> side note, trees = recursion/HOF everywhere
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<hxegon> and enumerators
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<norc> ast>> [1].find(Numeric).each { |a| puts a }
<norc> >> [1].find(Numeric).each { |a| puts a }
<norc> Oh poor ruby bot is down. :(
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<mondok> how can i remove messy chars from string \u000318\b<\b\u000329NEEDEDTEXT\u000318\b>\b\u000F
<sunya7a> are there any drawback to dropping the @ from an instance variable when calling it?
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<mondok> i need remove \u000318\b<\b\u000329
<eam> mondok: define a character set that contains all characters you consider non-messy, then strip everything else
<norc> sunya7a, one is calling a method or referencing a local variable, the other one access an instance variable.
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<mondok> what does '\u000318' mean
<mondok> ?
<eam> mondok: for example, this removes everything but alphanumeric
<eam> >> "\u000318\b<\b\u000329NEEDEDTEXT\u000318\b>\b\u000F".gsub(/[^a-zA-Z0-9]/, "")
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<norc> sunya7a, when inside the same class/module try to use @, when outside use accessor methods or more abstract interface methods.
<Radar> "̘ U+0318 COMBINING LEFT TACK BELOW,"
<eam> mondok: oh, ruby bot is broken :(
<norc> mondok, the cleanest way is to use String#encode
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<Radar> mondok: where are you sourcing this text from in the first placE?
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<norc> mondok, I think str.encode('ascii', {invalid: replace, undef: replace, replace: ''}) should do the job
<mondok> i parse logs
<eam> norc: that's not gonna remove the characters they don't like, will it?
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<norc> eam, sure it is if you tell it to like I have just shown.
<eam> oh- re: invalid:replace
<norc> Yup.
<eam> i see :)
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<norc> mondok, and that is more elegant than any other solution.
<norc> (Since this is exactly what you want to do, transcode from UTF8 to ASCII dropping all non-ascii codepoints)
<mondok> gsub(/[^a-zA-Z0-9]/, "") works not good
<mondok> skips numbers
<sunya7a> norc: so if i define a class and use attr_reader :one, :two and in the initialize method I do @one = one....when i later down the line in an instance method use one...i'm actually calling the method defined by def one
<norc> Indeed, since it still leaves ~200 characters that get removed.
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<norc> sunya7a, attr_reader :foo is just short for: def foo; @foo; end
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<eam> mondok: you would need to define the set of characters you want to keep
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<eam> it's just an example
<norc> sunya7a, so yes.
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<sunya7a> norc: i think i understand...do you know if that is less efficient than calling the instance variable directly?
<eam> norc: "\u000318\b<\b\u000329NEEDEDTEXT\u000318\b>\b\u000F".encode("ascii", {invalid: :replace, undef: :replace, replace: ''}) does not remove nonprintable characters AFAICT
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<eam> it results in "\x0318\b<\b\x0329NEEDEDTEXT\x0318\b>\b\x0F"
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<norc> sunya7a, honestly: do not worry about efficiency.
<sunya7a> norc: thank you...that was very clear =)
<norc> sunya7a, worry about what makes more sense. Inside your class, use the instance method. Outside use predefined interface methods
<sunya7a> norc: got it...much appreciated
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<norc> errr *instance variable!
<norc> :-)
<sunya7a> norc: yup!
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<norc> eam, indeed. But considering it is a log file...
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<norc> eam, otherwise you can then use [:print:]
<norc> Or just directly filter based on codepoints, allowing only [Ox0A, Ox0D, 0x20-Ox127]
<norc> *Ox7F
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<norc> ast>> class Foo; attr_reader :foo; end; Foo.new.foo
<ruby[bot]> norc: I have parsed your code, the result is at https://eval.in/505442
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<norc> asm>> class Foo; attr_reader :foo; end; Foo.new.foo
<ruby[bot]> norc: I have disassembled your code, the result is at https://eval.in/505443
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<norc> sunya7a, looks like the compiler is not able to optimize this away, so yeah - purely educationally: using an accessor method adds a few instructions
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<Darmani> Hey kids<3
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<arthropododo> what was the off-topic ruby channel again?
<norc> ?ot
<ruby[bot]> this seems to be off-topic. Please move your discussion to #ruby-offtopic, to keep this channel free for Ruby related topics. Thanks!
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<arthropododo> thanks
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<norc> Notice the irony in this.. ?
<norc> :-)
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* adaedra waves
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<tubbo> haha
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<lucasb> the ruby core developers don't hang out on irc? I rarely see anybody saying anything in #ruby-core.
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<norc> lucasb, the bulk of them are Japanese, many of which do not even speak English.
<norc> lucasb, you can find them on the mailing list.
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<baweaver> or ask Ox0dea, he's fairly close.
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<lucasb> yeah, I'm already subscribed to the list. I just wondered if they don't like irc or something :)
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<ohtheirony> hi
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<ohtheirony> i am not a ruby developer but i want to know why it is so popular. if you look at it from a hosting point of view it easier to go for php because all hosts have it. but what is so good about ruby? tell me please
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<adaedra> 1) it's not php.
<apeiros> 2) it's not php
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<norc> ohtheirony, why are cats better than dogs? There is tons of reasons that I can tell you, but really - the discussion is not very fruitful.
<apeiros> norc: you just killed the reason-train ;-)
<mondok> i want to find index of char '\u0003' in string?
<mondok> how can i do that?
<Ox0dea> ohtheirony: It's true that PHP is easier to hit the ground running with, but that's pretty much the *only* point in its favor, and it hardly papers over all the bad: http://eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
<adaedra> &ri String#index mondok
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<ohtheirony> alright fair enough. what about this. i was told that ruby is closer to the hardware than php so it's faster. it this correct?
<Ox0dea> No.
<apeiros> mondok: you'll have to write it as "\u0003", not as '\u0003', though
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<apeiros> since '\u0003' == "\\u0003"
<Ox0dea> >> ''<<3 # I like this way.
<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: # => "\u0003" (https://eval.in/505447)
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<norc> ohtheirony, distance to the hardware has no real relevance in todays world for performance. It usually is quite the opposite - more abstract languages have tools to make optimizations that low level languages do not have.
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<norc> ohtheirony, JRuby for example makes great use of such tools.
<ohtheirony> ok.... then why do you use it? i know a lot of people hate php but apart from that
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<adaedra> Because we like it?
<norc> ^-
<adaedra> That's usually #1 reason people do a language.
<apeiros> I do not hate ruby
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<ohtheirony> ok follow up question: why do you like it?
<jhass> why are we feeding the troll?
<norc> apeiros, by the way, how did you learn about the DYLD changes in El Capitan?
<Darmani> jhass - Honestly that's what I want to know lmao
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<apeiros> norc: heard/read about it somewhere iirc. not sure, been a while.
<norc> apeiros, I got hit by a massive wtf train when trying to build ruby-oci, trying to figure out why the export was not working.
<norc> Oh lucky you.
<Ox0dea> And it was because of the DYLD.o?
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<apeiros> it might have been people on my team even
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<norc> Ox0dea, Apple decided to put a new security feature into OSX, disabling DYLD related environment variables to prevent some naughty things.
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<adaedra> :o
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<Ox0dea> So libfaketime doesn't work on oS X?
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<norc> Ox0dea, if relies on things like DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH it will no longer work on El Capitan unless you explicitely turn off SIP.
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<norc> Ox0dea, so yes.
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<Ox0dea> Well, enjoy your safety. :P
<adaedra> very relative.
<norc> Honestly I consider these mechanisms to be flawed.
<Ox0dea> I hear big-boy operating systems are relatively cheap these days.
<Ox0dea> (I'll stop.)
<norc> SetWindowsHookEx solves the LD_PRELOAD problem much more elegantly...
<ohtheirony> ok so you don't like to discuss the reasons why you like ruby. i can understand that. it's natural. one last question then. does ruby have mvc scaffolding? or some module that gives this functionality?
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<norc> Not that I want to start a POSIX vs Win32 API war, but there you have it.
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<Ox0dea> >> @Ruby.is_a? Object { |oriented| language } # ohtheirony
<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: # => undefined method `Object' for main:Object ...check link for more (https://eval.in/505460)
<Ox0dea> That went well. :/
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<Ox0dea> >> @Ruby.is_a?(Object) { |oriented| language }
<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: # => true (https://eval.in/505461)
<OS-18137> good day rubyists
<adaedra> beautiful, Ox0dea.
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<Ox0dea> It's from TRIC 2013, I think.
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<norc> Ox0dea, so today I accidentally used find instead of grep, and was struck by an absolutely confusing error message...
<norc> >> [1].find(Numeric) {}
<ruby[bot]> norc: # => undefined method `call' for Numeric:Class (NoMethodError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/505463)
<norc> I was seriously confused.
<norc> :S
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<newdan> Ox0dea: How does that work? That block never gets run?
<norc> Even more so when I tried to figure out what kind of use this has.
<OS-18137> im iterating over a lines in a file, and im having problems because when File.readlines(file).each reads in a line, it's including the newline character an the end of the line it read, which i need to strip somehow. http://pastie.org/private/xvsb1mo04ofvqps5lhossa
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<Ox0dea> newdan: Yeah. Every method receives an implicit block, but #is_a? doesn't use it if you give it one.
<aegis3121> ohtheirony: Ruby on Rails
<norc> Other than a fancy [1].find(-> { puts "found" }) { |a| a == 1 }
<Ox0dea> aegis3121: Stahp.
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<apeiros> &String#chomp @OS-18137
<apeiros> adaedra: wasn't it &?
<Ox0dea> norc: Surely you're not suggesting #find behave like #grep?
<adaedra> You chomped some chars here, apeiros.
<adaedra> &ri String#chomp OS-18137
<apeiros> ohlol
<sunya7a> norc: hi again...thank you for the follow up...how were you able to determine this?
<OS-18137> apeiros: helpful as always :)
<norc> sunya7a, are you really curious?
<apeiros> yeah, I definitively should hit the pillow
<ohtheirony> aegis3121: Ox0dea norc thank you
<sunya7a> norc: i am =(
<apeiros> already fell almost asleep during rails meetup
<norc> asm>> class Foo; attr_reader :quux; end; Foo.new.quux
<ruby[bot]> norc: I have disassembled your code, the result is at https://eval.in/505467
<adaedra> you derailed?
<sunya7a> norc: i'd really like to understand this more deeply
<norc> sunya7a, this shows you the bytecode this snippet compiles to.
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<adaedra> why do people use common names as nicks.
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<OS-18137> thanks adaedra, derpy, thanks also
<norc> sunya7a, 0020 opt_send_without_block <callinfo!mid:quux, argc:0, ARGS_SIMPLE>, <callcache>
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<norc> sunya7a, that is the instruction that executes a method dispatch
<norc> sunya7a, and I just know from the implementation that there is not much runtime optimization going on
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<Cohedrin> many is the best
<Cohedrin> hangs out in rails a lot
<Cohedrin> anytime anyone says has_many
<Cohedrin> he gets highlightedlol
<sunya7a> norc: thank you...this is really cool
<norc> asm>> class Foo; def quux; puts @quux; end; Foo.new.quux
<ruby[bot]> norc: I have disassembled your code, the result is at https://eval.in/505470
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<norc> asm>> class Foo; def quux; puts @quux; end; end; Foo.new.quux
<ruby[bot]> norc: I have disassembled your code, the result is at https://eval.in/505472
<norc> sunya7a, if you look at that at the bottom you see a getinstancevariable
<norc> That is how instancevariables are obtained.
<norc> asm>> class Foo; def quux; @quux; end; end; Foo.new.quux
<ruby[bot]> norc: I have disassembled your code, the result is at https://eval.in/505474
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<Ox0dea> adaedra: It should suffice to say that cats have at least one unreal claw with which to choke or freeze an unsuspecting wanderer.
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<norc> Haha.
<adaedra> (But that was brilliantly realized, I must recognize that.)
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<sunya7a> norc: great...i see that...tyvm
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<norc> Ox0dea, I have to tell you something
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<norc> Promise you won't be mad.
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<Darmani> norc - You've been having weird dreams about him haven't you?
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<Ox0dea> norc: Tell me your sins. I shall abide them in as priestly a fashion as I am able.
<norc> There is something inside me that questions your priesthood, but I will just accept it.
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<norc> I started poking JRuby...
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<adaedra> Don't try to create an empty method with define_method.
<norc> >> define_method(:foo) {}
<ruby[bot]> norc: # => :foo (https://eval.in/505481)
<norc> That you mean?
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<Ox0dea> >> define_method('') { 42 }; send ''
<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: # => 42 (https://eval.in/505482)
<adaedra> yeah, recent jruby will crash if you call it
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<Ox0dea> norc: Have you found lots of goodness therein?
<norc> Im used to seg faulting Ruby.
<adaedra> (I say that because I got bitten by the bug.)
<norc> I surely won't mind.
<norc> It will just feel like any other day with Ruby.
<adaedra> :p
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<norc> Thanks for the hint though. :)
<Ox0dea> norc: Have you gotten familiar any with the st_table API yet?
<norc> Ox0dea, Absolutely. It is very well written from my first looks and decently documented.
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<norc> Ox0dea, why do you ask?
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<Ox0dea> norc: I'm trying to add Hash#merge's conflict resolution to #invert without copy-pasting.
<Ox0dea> The code for #update is written to expect an argument, but there won't be one for #invert. :<
<norc> ri Hash#merge
<norc> &ri Hash#invert
<norc> &ri Hash#merge
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<Ox0dea> >> {a:1}.merge({a:2}) { |_, old, new| old + new }
<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: # => {:a=>3} (https://eval.in/505483)
<adaedra> protip: `derpy can do multiple searches with one command
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<norc> &ri Hash#invert Hash#merge
<norc> Neat. Thanks
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<adaedra> There should be a limit, but I don't remember it :p
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<norc> Ox0dea, I think the major reason was when I tried looking to the parser 2 days ago.
<norc> Ox0dea, *lexer
<norc> I was overwhelmed by really bizarre code then I just had enough of it.
<Ox0dea> I see. :<
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<benzrf> hey
<benzrf> why on EARTH would two strings have identical inspects but not be ==
<bnagy> try checking .bytes
<adaedra> >> "å" == "å"
<ruby[bot]> adaedra: # => false (https://eval.in/505499)
<ljarvis> is it safe here?
<lucasb> s1.inspect == s2.inspect is true? or just apparentely/visualy similar?
<adaedra> safe?
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<workmad3> benzrf: could have non-printable chars
<adaedra> ah, I leave'd there
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<benzrf> lucasb: i'll double check
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<benzrf> lucasb: inspect is the same
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<adaedra> benzrf: and bytes?
* benzrf checks
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<benzrf> adaedra: ==
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<mondok> how to find intersection two arrays of obects
<adaedra> &ri Array#& mondok
<benzrf> &ri Foo#sfd
<`derpy> No results
<mondok> wait
<mondok> i know about &
<adaedra> so what's your problem?
<adaedra> expected/actual?
<Ox0dea> mondok: Do you want the union?
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<bnagy> benzrf: eh? s1.bytes == s2.bytes but they're not == ?
<Radar> +1 adaedra. An expected output vs actual output comparison would be nice.
<bnagy> benzrf: check encoding then
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<benzrf> aha
<benzrf> bnagy: wrong encodings :)
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<benzrf> that explains it!
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<benzrf> is there a way to do ascii in literals?
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<Ox0dea> >> 'foo'.b.encoding # benzrf
<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: # => #<Encoding:ASCII-8BIT> (https://eval.in/505504)
<benzrf> cool, thanks
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<Ox0dea> Sure thing.
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<adaedra> mondok: you can .map(&:first) before using & to just get the first element of each sub-array.
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<benzrf> (i know that's terrible; this is for an entirely useless program that i'm only writing to get ideas through my head)
<Ox0dea> benzrf: Did you leave Ruby for a while?
<benzrf> why do you ask?
<benzrf> ah, not ruby ideas
<adaedra> Still no Hash#slice in core :<
<benzrf> i learned some new stuff about how networking works & i'm writing a mock network thingy to force myself to implement the concepts so that i can be sure i understand them
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<benzrf> i'm not writing an actual tcp stack
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<benzrf> i'm modelling network devices with threads that, and layer 0 with socket pairs
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<benzrf> then i'm implementing something ethernet-ish and something IP-ish on top of that, to understand the mechanics rather than the implementation details
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<adaedra> g'night.
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<rubynewb> I need some help
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<rubynewb> I am iterating through an array of strings
<rubynewb> and I need to know the best way to check the last character of each string.
<Ox0dea> >> 'rubynewb'[-1]
<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: # => "b" (https://eval.in/505505)
<rubynewb> The .last method does not seem to work on strings and [-1] is not working either
<Ox0dea> See above.
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<rubynewb> vowel_end_count = 0 array.each do |name| if name. == "a" || "e" || "i" || "o" || "u" vowel_end_count += 1 end end puts "There are #{vowel_end_count} names that end with a vowel"
<rubynewb> vowel_end_count = 0 array.each do |name| if name. == "a" || "e" || "i" || "o" || "u" vowel_end_count += 1 end end puts "There are #{vowel_end_count} names that end with a vowel"
<rubynewb> let me post the code line by line
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<aegis3121> gist
<aegis3121> please use a gist
<Ox0dea> ?gist rubynewb
<ruby[bot]> rubynewb: https://gist.github.com - Multiple files, syntax highlighting, even automatically with matching filenames, can be edited
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<lucasb> I don't think things like these 'if var == 1 | 2 | 3' work :)
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<Ox0dea> This isn't Perl 6.
<lucasb> They call it "junctions" :)
<Ox0dea> They do.
<Ox0dea> It's a type!
<lucasb> %w(a e i o u).any? { ... }
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<Ox0dea> rubynewb: I don't see you using [-1].
<lucasb> {|l| name[-1] == l }
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<lucasb> ^^ now, just join the two lines above together
<rubynewb> name[-1] catches the whole array
<Ox0dea> Are you trolling...?
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<rubynewb> every item in the array tests true when I run it as name[-1]. and name.last has a method error
<rubynewb> im not, really
<Ox0dea> name[-1] will return the last character of name, I promise.
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<lucasb> unless it's the empty string :)
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<lucasb> which I would expect to also return an empty string, but it returns nil
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<Ox0dea> It makes sense, though.
<Ox0dea> lucasb: You wouldn't want [][-1] to return [], surely?
<Ox0dea> rubynewb: That's closer.
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<Ox0dea> Now see above about Ruby not having junctions.
<lucasb> Ox0dea: yes, makes sense like you said
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<rubynewb> it works if i break if name[-1] == "a" || "e" || "i" || "o" || "u" into 5 seperate if statements. Is there a cleaner way?
<Ox0dea> rubynewb: Yes! :)
<rubynewb> how?
<rubynewb> :)
<Ox0dea> &ri Array#include?
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<lucasb> vowels.include?(last_letter)
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<Ox0dea> >> %w[a e i o u].include? 'y'
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<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: # => false (https://eval.in/505509)
<lucasb> Ox0dea: cool, cleaner than using 'any?'
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<aegis3121> >> %w(apple egg harold smile tina).reduce(0) { |memo, x| %w(a e i o u).include?(x[-1]) ? memo + 1 : memo }
<ruby[bot]> aegis3121: # => 3 (https://eval.in/505510)
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<Ox0dea> aegis3121: Ew.
<Ox0dea> rubynewb: vowel_end_count = array.count { |name| name[/[aeiou]$/] }
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<rubynewb> oi 0x0dea that is more advanced than I am, but I will keep that in my notes.
<Ox0dea> rubynewb: You really should add #count to your bag of tricks ASAP.
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<Ox0dea> If you ever write `+= 1` in Ruby, something has almost certainly gone awry.
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<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: # => Errno::NOERROR (https://eval.in/505511)
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<Ox0dea> >> Errno::EDOOFUS
<Radar> Ox0dea: += 1
<Ox0dea> Oh. Carry on, then.
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<rubynewb> I will keep that in mind
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<aegis3121> Ox0dea: hah, I knew about #count. My brain derped when it saw the docs and forgot I was reading String's >.>
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<Ox0dea> aegis3121: Can't really fault ya for reaching for #reduce; it's a great method.
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<fartface> Does anyone know of any interactive Ruby tutorials in a similar vain to LearnYouNode?
<fartface> Basically where I could download a gem, run a tutorial in a terminal which will spit out some instructions, I write some code, and then the tutorial runs my code against some tests and determines a pass/fail
<Ox0dea> fartface: http://rubykoans.com/
<fartface> This looks pretty much exactly what I was looking for--thank you so much!
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<fartface> I'm currently going through some Ruby Monk stuff, but having it offline is a big bonus
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<Ox0dea> fartface: Glad you think so! The Koans are great for exposing you to both Ruby and the benefits of red-green-refactor development.
<harly> yeah the koans are a great start.
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<fartface> Everything in ruby is very zen-focused
<fartface> Cracks me up
<fartface> I like it though!
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