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<lost>
Wondering if anyone is able to help understand this, also be a rails mentor in the future please message will pay as per hourly basis :)
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<machinewar>
when is attr_accessor actually called? when you instantiate an object?
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<volty>
everything gets called as soon as it's read
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<volty>
class defines a class, def defines a method, attr_accessor is a method call
<machinewar>
when does it get read?
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<machinewar>
when I load the file?
<volty>
yes
<machinewar>
volty: thanks
<volty>
yw
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<codezomb>
trying to use Resolv::DNS and getresources in my system. However, it doesn't seem to resolve anything. Would there be any system level dependency that I could possibly be missing?
<codezomb>
nslookup exists, and can resolve the addresses
<codezomb>
drbrain right, I know it should resolve. It resolves in my plain vm. However, trying it within a docker container (alpine linux) I get an empty result set. I assumed I could be missing some system dependency.
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<drbrain>
what's in your /etc/resolv.conf?
<codezomb>
if nslookup works, I would assume this should work :/
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<codezomb>
drbrain `nameserver 10.0.2.3`, which is my docker host. This host can also resolve.
<codezomb>
from a system level it all resolves
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<drbrain>
what about: Resolv::DNS.open(nameserver: %w[8.8.8.8]) { |dns| dns.getresources('google.com', Resolv::DNS::Resource::IN::MX) }
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<codezomb>
yeah, I just changed my resolv.conf to 8.8.8.8, and it seems to work...
<codezomb>
0.o
<drbrain>
I've heard of mysterious DNS issues with VMs in general
<codezomb>
back to flipping tables I suppose (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
<jimmtt>
there are times where, even if a language has these kinds of convenient iterators, you want to loop with an index because the position is significant to the operations you're doing on the elements
<Ox0dea>
jimmtt: And in that case we have #each_with_index. :)
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<Ox0dea>
And, well, #with_index for the general case.
<Ox0dea>
>> [1,2,3].map.with_index { |element, i| element * i }
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<kent\n>
yeah. I'm not say so much that you shouldn't be accessing array indexes, just usually if you're doing things and getting the wrong results, there's a /chance/ there's already a better way to do what you're doing.
<jimmtt>
but I think the likelihood of encountering bad array indexing is orthogonal to whether or not it should throw an exception
<jimmtt>
unless it's a performance concern
<jimmtt>
well I don't think it would be a performance concern
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<kent\n>
I would still agree that does-not-exist-but-fetched-anyway would probably be useful if it did throw an exception, but there's a lot of things in Ruby that "could" be useful and "could" give more strict behaviour with exceptions that some people would very much dislike and would break existing (valid) code
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<Ox0dea>
>> [42].fetch 1 rescue $! # jimmtt
<ruby[bot]>
Ox0dea: # => #<IndexError: index 1 outside of array bounds: -1...1> (https://eval.in/510067)
<kent\n>
for instance, given that: x = []; x[5] = 1; p x[1] # returns nil, and does not throw an exception despite the fact you never set x[1], then maybe it doesn't matter that x[6] returns nil
<Ox0dea>
Just use #fetch everywhere instead of #[].
<Ox0dea>
Arrays *have* to be contiguous, but that doesn't mean they have to appear to be infinitely long.
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<kent\n>
Its different, sure, but depending on how you use the array, it might not matter. If your interface treats "nil" and "no such index" the same way, then having the latter react the same as the former is fine.
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<kent\n>
Would it be /good/ design? Can't say for sure.
<Ox0dea>
It's just the tradeoff Ruby makes.
<Ox0dea>
Easy > simple is the game.
<jimmtt>
cool, Ox0dea
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<Ox0dea>
jimmtt: Same interface for Hash, for reference.
<kent\n>
anyway, simple only exists as a concept if you want to achieve very little ;). Most the time "simple" is "A lot of complexity hiding behind an easy interface", so its simple as long as you don't look too hard :)
<Ox0dea>
Bollocks.
<Ox0dea>
Lisp is simple, and they used to write entire operating systems therein.
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<jimmtt>
well C is also relatively simple
<kent\n>
But its not exactly "simple" to achieve anything you desire in lisp. But I will agree that this is probably me seeing different interpretations of the words than you :)
<Ox0dea>
kent\n: No, it *is* simple; it's just *hard*.
<kent\n>
Yeah. I do understand what you mean. I just don't see "lisp code" and think "this is simple".
<Ox0dea>
...
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<jimmtt>
there are different domains to be simple or not in
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<Ox0dea>
We're obviously talking about programming languages?
<jimmtt>
yes, in the context of programming languages
<Radar>
?popcorn
<ruby[bot]>
It's popcorn time!
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<jimmtt>
it seems like ruby's main website says to just install it with the package manager but I get an old version that way and don't see any explicit newer versions in apt-cache search
<jimmtt>
guess I'm going to have to either find a deb of it or compile it
<kent\n>
Its too easy to conflate simple/easy for me. Like if somebody says "it has a simple interface", that also tends to imply "its easy to use", but I see that as "simplicity is hiding the complexity" quite frequently.
<jimmtt>
apt-get is outdated now?
<kent\n>
Ox0dea: but anyway, ILY dude(ette)? , don't hate me :p
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<Ox0dea>
kent\n: Nah, we're cool. You just need some learnin's. :)
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<Ox0dea>
I do hope you find the time to watch that someday.
<Ox0dea>
tl;dr: complexity == entanglement of pieces, simplicity == harmony of ideas.
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<Ox0dea>
Entangling pieces makes things look easy at the surface; harmonizing disparate ideas is hard.
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<kent\n>
great. I see more reasons to goad people into calling me a nazi in my future :D
<Ox0dea>
I'm afraid I don't follow.
<kent\n>
I'm going to nit pick about this one day and tempt somebody calling me a grammar nazi :(
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<Ox0dea>
It's not even a grammatical distinction; they're completely distinct notions.
<kent\n>
I know. Sadly, "Grammar Nazi" is itself an overloaded term that includes spelling, punctuation, and use of the wrong word for a concept :D
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<kent\n>
the irony^WJuxtaposition of that last one is a beautiful thing.
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<Ox0dea>
Related: "nazi" is a common noun in that phrase. You should only capitalize the word in reference to the political party. ^_^
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<kent\n>
:D
<Ox0dea>
Consider Ruby's switch statement semantics: case equality lets you write complex branching logic with embarrassing ease, but if you unrolled one of any moderate size to its essential components, it would look spaghetti as fuck.
<kent\n>
can confirm. I recently attempted to do similarly without perl5.10+'s switch structure. Realised it was a dumb mess and I rewrote it using a dispatch table :P
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<kent\n>
sometimes when you think you want conditions, you really want polymorphism of some description.
<Ox0dea>
It's all goto at the bottom. :)
<kent\n>
Yeah. Just making the code "nice" is the hard part :D
<Ox0dea>
In Ruby? Surely you jest.
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<kent\n>
Nah. You can write a mess easily in any language without thinking.
<Ox0dea>
It is many things, to include a todo app written in Sinatra.
<aaron_>
hello :)
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<Ox0dea>
But yes, that's the roflcopter floating over all.
<kent\n>
If I had some time to spare I'm sure I could work out what that says. But ETOOMUCHEFFORT
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<kent\n>
Usually the first pass I make at every solution is garbage, and I have to sit down and refactor it till I'm happy with it.
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<Ox0dea>
Someone really needs more Rich Hickey in his life. :)
<Ox0dea>
His philosophy is "needs more hammock time".
<kent\n>
I do appreciate the amount of time spent sleeping improving problem solving, but that doesn't actually help me not write bad code.
<Ox0dea>
Er, I didn't mean to imply that you should use sleep as a thinking tool.
<Ox0dea>
Genuinely thinking about the problem you want to solve before touching a keyboard *will* help you not write bad code.
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<kent\n>
Oh I do, for weeks, easily. But that's usually about the higher level concepts and interface, not implementation details. Problems in implementation I don't seem to be able to work out "which is the best way to do this" until I try a few things.
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<Ox0dea>
Sounds contradictory, but okay.
<kent\n>
Because I have to see how it looks in order to know if its any good.
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<kent\n>
Its cool to flesh out an idea in your head first, but it doesn't always work when you put it in to practice, because the brain is a spongy piece of meatware with bugs.
<Ox0dea>
Neurophagy is frowned upon, mind.
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<aaron_>
hey guys :) I'm just curious how I could get started learning ruby. I've had some programming experience in the past, but nowadays I'm just a front-end web guy.
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<Ox0dea>
aaron_: What does that mean?
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<jimmtt>
I've always found the best way to learn languages is to just start using htem
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<jimmtt>
maybe use ruby to solve some projecteuler problems
<Radar>
aaron_: Do you have Ruby installed on your machine?
<aaron_>
Yeah I managed to install Ruby and Rails on my machine, easier with linux than windows :P
<Radar>
Ox0dea: I think those install instructions are a blight :P
<Radar>
Well-Grounded and Koans are on par with each other imo
<jimmtt>
Radar, trying to build ruby like this keeps failing on the rdoc step. I tried prefacing the installation command with RUBY_CONFIGURE_OPTS=--disable-install-doc as a post I found suggested but that didn't help
<Radar>
Well-Grounded will explain it better.
<Radar>
?gist jimmtt
<ruby[bot]>
jimmtt: https://gist.github.com - Multiple files, syntax highlighting, even automatically with matching filenames, can be edited
<Radar>
jimmtt: The complete output please
<Ox0dea>
Radar: Those are really bad. I didn't know those were there. :<
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<Ox0dea>
jimmtt: make install-nodoc
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<Radar>
Ox0dea: I'm of a mind to "fork" the book, replace the install instructions with mine, bump the Ruby versions and leave the rest untouched.
<jimmtt>
make install -nodoc?
<Ox0dea>
No.
<jimmtt>
it said there was no rule for install-nodoc
<jimmtt>
I always end up having to take the sudo's out of these guides because I just do them as root
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<jimmtt>
guide said to install libmysqlclient-dev before installing the mysql12 gem so that the native extensions won't fail to compile but they still fail to compile lol
<Ox0dea>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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<ebit>
would it be possible to create a local users using ruby
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<wolffles>
hey Ox0dea you there?
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<Ebok>
If I have an array of Integers, and I need to join every pair of them into an array... ex: [0,0,1,0,1,1] => [[0,0],[0,1],[1,1]] Does anyone have any suggestions?
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<triangles>
sup zacts
<triangles>
how you doin
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<zacts>
I'm doin' alright
<zacts>
=)
<zacts>
I'm just reading this pragmatic book on Ruby2 cli apps
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<shevy>
Ebok I forget .each_slice too, all the time
<shevy>
the name is so hard to remember
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<Ebok>
I'll have to stop forgetting that one though. Its the answer to almost every single simple boardgame question I run into.
<Ebok>
lol
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<Ebok>
At least the last three, discounting my test-driven Ruby Tree learning.
<Ebok>
experiment-driven* is probably more accurate
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<shevy>
I am trying to trick my brain into thinking that it is called .chunk
<shevy>
then I can use this as "how to make an array split into separate chunks of equal size
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<apeiros>
better learn the word slice ;-)
<apeiros>
how can I slice an array into equal sized slices
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<shevy>
yeah
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<zacts>
apparently the etymology of the word 'splice' means to bring things together, I think historically
<zacts>
oh slice
* zacts
is sleepy just a bit
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* zacts
is a sleepy word nerd
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<shevy>
lol
<shevy>
see!
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<shevy>
in genetics, splicing is used to put exons (transcribed from a gene) together, which was a term borrowed from earlier movie-makers splicing their movies/film on those big weird circular things together... like you know, old cinemas
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<shevy>
anyone happens to know how perl or python call a similar operation on an Array? e. g. .each_slice()
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<shevy>
ok a ruby question now
<shevy>
this url provides a text file attachment - in the browser, I can click on save and it will be saved:
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<harushimo>
i'm doing an gem install of jekyll from the gem repo. I get an error saying I need to have developments tools installed. Does ruby 2.3 have a seperate development tool package?
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<jhass>
no but debian/ubuntu usually does
<jhass>
however I don't think 2.3 is packaged up there?
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<jhass>
harushimo: got some more context?
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<harushimo>
i'm sending a gist right now
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<nickjj>
does anyone know if the redirect addon for jekyll supports subdomains? the jekyll channel is pretty dead and it's not something i can personally test atm
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<harushimo>
I posted the question there too
<harushimo>
this seems its an ruby problem
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<harushimo>
its checking for development tools
<harushimo>
does 2.3 come with some development tools
<jhass>
harushimo: given it fails during installing the ffi gem I'd bet on libffi-dev, libffi-devel or whatever the package is called on your distribution
<harushimo>
or is that package specific?
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<jhass>
if that doesn't help we gotta see the log files mentioned
<ruby[bot]>
Voyage: pastebin.com loads slowly for most, has ads which are distracting and has terrible formatting.
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<Voyage>
pwnd_nsfw, ok, where is gemfile?
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<pwnd_nsfw>
in the root directory of the app....
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<pwnd_nsfw>
you'll have to install mysql first
<pwnd_nsfw>
and I will not be holding hands anymore
<pwnd_nsfw>
there's documentation for all of this
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<kbni>
hey pwnd_nsfw - I don't suppose you could hold my hand just a little? I'm just trying to figure out what the correct term for a method used within a class definition is
<Voyage>
pwnd_nsfw, I am going to type this one the first line of Gemfile gem "mysql2", " ~> 0.3.11"
<newbie22>
*: does anyone know how to zip files from you PC directly to a thumb drive ?? in windows ??
<shevy>
newbie22 this is #ruby
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<pwnd_nsfw>
kbni, the super's method in a subclass?
<newbie22>
shevy: I know that,,
<kbni>
pwnd_nsfw, yes
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<pwnd_nsfw>
and overloaded method, iirc
<kbni>
It's only referenced during the creation of the class though
<pwnd_nsfw>
or well, are you just using the method
<Ox0dea>
Er, yeah... that's what's happening in the snippet I posted as well.
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<Ox0dea>
I feel like, given `Enumerator.new { |y| y << 1 << 2 << fail << 3 }`, there must be some way to get `[1, 2, <something, ideally nothing>, 3]` out of it, but I just can't get there. :<
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<Ox0dea>
I thought doing the enumeration in a "sandbox" Thread and sending it back as appropriate might do, but that's plainly not gonna fly.
<Ox0dea>
Still weird that the enumeration works the first time, though.
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<lucasb>
if you just yield once, and call #next once, it doesn't even raise that 'fiber called across threads'; so I guess the Enumerator maybe caches the first value somehow.
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<Ox0dea>
>> fc = -> { ObjectSpace.each_object(Fiber).count }; e = Enumerator.new { |y| y << 42 }; [fc[], e.next, fc[]]
<Ox0dea>
Enumerators don't have an underlying Fiber until you begin the enumeration.
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<swein>
exit
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<Ox0dea>
That's got something to do with it, to be sure, but it still feels like something's wrong here.
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<shevy>
something is wrong here!
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<User458764>
Hello, I want to store configuration values how do I do? Do I create a class with Singleton module?
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<Ox0dea>
User458764: What's being configured?
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<User458764>
Ox0dea It's only keys and values like PWD=/home
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<Ox0dea>
User458764: So it's a one-time thing?
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<User458764>
Ox0dea it is not store in a database if it is what you mean
<Ox0dea>
User458764: No, I mean, are there multiple instances of YourThing that might need to be configured?
<User458764>
Ox0dea no multiple instances that I why I speak about Singleton
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<Ox0dea>
> multiple
<Ox0dea>
> Singleton
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<tdsmith>
I'm running into a problem using bundler; I have gem 'docile' in my Gemfile, bundle check says it's installed, but require 'docile' is failing in my script when I run it with `bundle exec ruby sketch.rb` -- https://gist.github.com/tdsmith/1e359036944c2546e9e9
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<Ox0dea>
It's a Tripleton.
<Ox0dea>
tdsmith: Looks like it could be a version mismatch.
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<User458764>
Ox0dea ok :) thanks for the snippet it seems to be what I am looking for
<Ox0dea>
Huzzah!
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<tdsmith>
Ox0dea: I think it shouldn't be; Gemfile.lock mentions docile 1.1.5 and bundle list shows 1.1.5; docile doesn't show up in `gem list` since I passed `--path .bundle` to bundle install
<tdsmith>
heh; `bundle exec gem list` fails the same way ("could not find docile-1.1.5")
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<Ox0dea>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<tdsmith>
yeah, same
<tdsmith>
thanks for looking
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<tdsmith>
oh, got it, my bundle was from the wrong ruby
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<Ox0dea>
A version mismatch of the highest order. :P
<tdsmith>
quite!
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<_Aviio>
Hi all
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<shevy>
yo Aviio with an underscore
<_Aviio>
Im edgy you see
<shevy>
not if Darmani appends a _ to his nick!
<shevy>
then you two could join nicks
<Darmani>
shevy - war
<Darmani>
wat*
<_Aviio>
im... lost
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<shevy>
Darmani yeah you always wanna go to war
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<shevy>
you did the same some time ago
<shevy>
war war warrrr
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<Darmani>
shevy - lmao it's the fucking keyboard xD
<shevy>
_Aviio well! Darmani_ + _Aviio is Darmani__Aviio
<Canar>
war. war never changes
<shevy>
sounds italian
<Darmani>
Canar - You play fallout
<_Aviio>
Quick question - I just learned about hashes in ruby, is it acceptable to pass a hash into a function?
<Darmani>
my nigga
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<shevy>
<ddv> how fun is this channel on a saturday night?
<shevy>
see ddv - the channel is a lot of fun on caturday
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<_Aviio>
Darmani: Who DOESNT play fallout?
<shevy>
_Aviio yeah, it is used a lot
<Darmani>
tru.
<shevy>
typically like:
<shevy>
def method(options)
<shevy>
where options is a hash
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<Canar>
i play fallout, i don't play skyrim 2112
<shevy>
and then inside the method, people can check for what instructions were give
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<shevy>
method(use_colours: true)
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<_Aviio>
shevy: cool, ive done it a little bit differently though, ive basically done XML > hash and im passing that hash into a method so I dont have to keep using xpath
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<shevy>
as long as you have a hash it'll be fine
<kaleido>
xml is the devil :(
<shevy>
XML scares me
<_Aviio>
kaleido: you want to see the devil? look up JXML
<Darmani>
the devil lmao
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<_Aviio>
coming from a .net background, everyone loves themselves a bit of XML
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<william3>
What's .net like to use?
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<william3>
I've heard stories of 'avoid it like the plague' but I try to keep objective
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<_Aviio>
It was the first language I developed in professionally, so im quite biased, but I do quite enjoy it
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<Ox0dea>
What's great about it?
<Darmani>
Ox0dea<33
<Ox0dea>
Darumaka-san!
<Darmani>
not kun? T_T
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<_Aviio>
Ox0dea: I ask myself this on a daily basis, theres probably not one reason that I think its good, its just the ecosystem that I have the most experience in
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<baweaver>
.NET isn't bad
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<baweaver>
note: I only know a handful of C# from College
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<baweaver>
and had to work in Java professionally for about half a year before I quit and ran
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<Ox0dea>
Good news, everyone: a monadic transformer is the same everywhere.
<baweaver>
C# never inspired that level of pure disgust in me
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<_Aviio>
C# will never hurt you like java does <3
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<baweaver>
Scala, on the other hand, is everything Java should have been.
<baweaver>
a tinge overkill in places though.
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<_Aviio>
Hmm.. time to research testing in Ruby
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<_Aviio>
Really wish i had started this application with TDD in mind
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<_Aviio>
Test::Unit still the preferred unit testing framework?
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<_Aviio>
or are there others I should look into?
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<shevy>
baweaver mono is bad? I have no idea, never really used it or C# but I was wondering if one could write things on linux, to also work on windows... and not have to use java haha
<baweaver>
It was a pun
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<shevy>
(I did C# hello world example though if that counts)
<baweaver>
_Aviio: Minitest and RSpec are fairly popular on the DSL type side
<_Aviio>
baweaver: Thanks, ive heard those ones being thrown around on the ruby rogues podcast I think
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<baweaver>
just remember that pure TDD isn't used exclusively
<baweaver>
what I tend to do myself:
<baweaver>
If I know what I'm writing and how it should work, I TDD
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<baweaver>
If I have no clue how it would work, I tend to develop in the REPL first and write tests after I get a good idea of the interface
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<baweaver>
A few of the RRs are on here from time to time.
<_Aviio>
baweaver: kind of the same thought process here, although im learning ruby as I develop and trying to apply C# principles to my development.. its working so far
<baweaver>
Eloquent Ruby will help to get an idea of how Ruby people write Ruby
<Darmani>
Can someone please explain to me the difference between a web server & a web client?
<baweaver>
what is a Server
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<baweaver>
at a restaraunt?
<william3>
:)
<Darmani>
war
<Darmani>
WAT
<baweaver>
restaurant*
<Darmani>
At a restaurant?
<baweaver>
Someone who serves you food after you, the Client, requests it
<baweaver>
replace food with data / images / etc and there you go
<_Aviio>
baweaver: thanks for that, ill have a look at it, have you read Practical Object-Oriented Design In Ruby by Sandi Metz? been looking at getting that out
<Darmani>
_Aviio - The great and powerful WINDOWS lol
<Darmani>
Papierkorb - Get requests... o.o
<Papierkorb>
Darmani: That almost implements itself, the most complex part is having a nice API/Architecture and security like directory traversal detection etc.
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<Darmani>
Papierkorb - I want to work my way up to that. But I need to start with the basic's.
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<_Aviio>
Darmani: Ok, so start with security
<passcod>
start with GET requests
<Papierkorb>
Darmani: HTTP/1.0 GET *is* basic. Sure, HTTP in its entirety *is* complex, but you barely need to support anything to get a meaningful output in your webbrowser
<_Aviio>
Darmani: Only requests on port 80 and 443 should be allowed
<Voyage>
nevermind
<baweaver>
Voyage: I'm crap for Apache help, but you'll probably have better luck on an apache channel
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<Papierkorb>
Darmani: HTTP/1.1 is already much more complex (MUSTs, SHOULDs, quirks and more quirks)
<Voyage>
baweaver, working. just need the default password of redmine
<Darmani>
Papierkorb - You've written many of these haven't you?
<Papierkorb>
Darmani: Yeah, wrote a HTTP/1.1 server in C++/Qt, with WebSockets support and stuff.
<Papierkorb>
Fun times.
<Papierkorb>
But jesus
<Papierkorb>
I never ever want to write that again
<baweaver>
I don't envy you
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<Darmani>
lmao
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<baweaver>
anyways, need to get some other stuff done this weekend, I'll be back about later today.
<Voyage>
baweaver, well, nevermind that either
* Darmani
waves to baweaver
<_Aviio>
bb
<Papierkorb>
baweaver: I think of it as a valuable lesson in writing and especially architecturing server software.
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<baweaver>
valuable things have great cost I find
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<Darmani>
baweaver - Isn't that the truth.
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