<cj>
The folks who have been here longer than me are listed here.
<cj>
I'll be "Da_Man" in that line-up :-)
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<cj>
a bunch of them are still hanging out on #linpeople
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<shevy>
oh yeah
<shevy>
I'd wish I would have been there when ruby 1.0 was out
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<baweaver>
....is it bad that I know who Da_Man is?
<baweaver>
cj__: ^
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<baweaver>
I remember him saying that was one of his aliases way back when.
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<baweaver>
shevy: I work with Da_Man
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<shevy>
hah
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<thevaliantx>
re-ordered my Well Grounded Rubyist book a couple of days ago, and started working through a Learn Ruby The Hard Way tutorial yesterday. Not sure if Ruby is an appropriate language for me to learn, but I'm in love with all the pretty pictures of rubies on ruby books, and Ruby being an OOP language maybe it will be the right one for me to cut my teeth in learning OOP :)
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<cj>
baweaver: oh? you work at the Linux Foundation, too?
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<baweaver>
I know a guy who goes by Da_Man who's been around that long
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<cj>
ah. not me, though?
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<baweaver>
Not unless you're in SF and are named Darren
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<cj>
nope. I'm on Orcas Island and I'm named cj
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<baweaver>
I've just heard him mention the name, so who knows.
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<cj>
It's not a unique name. I'm sure there are others who use it :-)
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<baweaver>
yeah, especially early on in the years
<baweaver>
I remember him bragging about having one of the first domain names registered at one point
<baweaver>
where first is first 1000 or so I think
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<baweaver>
about the same with my boss and his old habit of buying a ton of french domains.
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<crystal77>
Was going to ask in #rbenv, but nobody is there. What exactly does this PR do? https://github.com/rbenv/rbenv/issues/384 - I thought it means rehash would be auto, but we still have to do it manually after every gem install.
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<ropeney>
do you crystal77 ? I never seem to have to
<cj>
do you use bash? zsh?
<ropeney>
cj, me? both
<cj>
and you have to rehash in neither?
<baweaver>
I'm a heretic, I still use RVM
<ropeney>
cj, i believe it does the rehash on starting of a shell, but i have installed gems from command line plenty and not needed to - or have never noticed that i was meant to
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<crystal77>
I use Fish. Got tired of bash/zsh years ago.
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<ropeney>
crystal77, guess i've never felt the need to move away
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<lyoshajapan>
Hey :-) I got a very curious problem. Some of my specs started failing, and rspec shows that they did fail, but it doesnt say why explicitly
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<janmejay>
i want o make a ruby script which shows the status of all machine (on/off) runnig on same public ip
<janmejay>
any roadmap how to approach
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<hanmac>
lyoshajapan: rspec should show the reason why the specific spec does fail ... otherwise can you give us a link to your specs?
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<janmejay>
i want o make a ruby script which shows the status of all machine (on/off) runnig on same public ip
<janmejay>
any roadmap how to approach
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<janmejay>
is there any gem for knowing the status of remote computers conneted on same local ip address
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<norc_>
apeiros: were you the one with that gist about solving unicoding issues?
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<apeiros>
norc_: yes, sec…
<apeiros>
(awesome timing btw., just logged into my znc)
<norc_>
:)
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<AshleyPerpetual>
ohh
<AshleyPerpetual>
apeiros: what's the neatest way to increment by 1?
<apeiros>
+=1
<AshleyPerpetual>
just += 1?
<AshleyPerpetual>
ok
<apeiros>
also I doubt `ancestor != descendant or ancestor == 0` does what you want.
<lvn>
I don't understand the logic in this code, can't you just loop through both strings at the same time if you're just calculating the hamming distance?
<apeiros>
you seem to be missing a lot of ".length" method calls there.
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<AshleyPerpetual>
oh yeah I forgot length heh
<apeiros>
and yeah, general code logic seems flawed too.
<AshleyPerpetual>
thanks
<AshleyPerpetual>
how so?
<apeiros>
the two nested each'es almost certainly don't work the way you imagine them to work.
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<norc_>
AshleyPerpetual: also do not use the "and"/"or" operators unless you know exactly about their difference. In all likelihood you will want && and || instead.
<AshleyPerpetual>
norc_: k
<apeiros>
AshleyPerpetual: re "how so" - what's the hamming distance of "fooa" and "foob"?
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<norc_>
AshleyPerpetual: As for the explanation, they have different precendence and are used for control flow (like "if" or "unless") rather than boolean operators.
<lvn>
Assuming that ancestor and descendant are both strings, I would do something like ancestor.split('').zip(descendant.split('')).select { |i| i[0] != i[1] }.length
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<apeiros>
with the nested comparison it'll be around 12
<lvn>
that's super hacky, but you get the idea
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<AshleyPerpetual>
hmm
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<AshleyPerpetual>
I need to learn what zip and select do
<lvn>
basically, ancestor.split('').zip(descendant.split('')) combines the two strings into character pairs (e.g. "aa" and "ab" => [['a', 'a'], ['a', 'b']])
<eip`>
I have a questions, would be happy if somebody could help me
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<adaedra>
eip`: just ask.
<lvn>
and then `select { |i| i[0] != i[1] }` just selects everything from that list for which the characters aren't the same
<eip`>
I have a file system (linux) in a directory on my hd, for example in /mydir/ I have the whole structure /usr /opt /var etc etc
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<norc_>
AshleyPerpetual: You can use ri from your terminal too by the way. :)
<norc_>
(Which should be your preferred way, since that will always yield the correct version for whatever Ruby version you are using)
<AshleyPerpetual>
oh cool
<lvn>
I just use google :p
<AshleyPerpetual>
sounds better because im on my terminal anyway - irssi :P
<AshleyPerpetual>
but then I have to ctrl-alt-left arrow to workspace 1 :(
<lvn>
fair enough lol
<norc_>
AshleyPerpetual: Use tmux!
<AshleyPerpetual>
I use tmux!
<AshleyPerpetual>
norc_: I was referring to googling, not ri
<norc_>
Oh well. :-)
<norc_>
Heh.
<AshleyPerpetual>
I have two terminals side by side in tmux - irssi and term... and above that sublime text with two columns - code and test
<AshleyPerpetual>
im on arch linux btw
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<AshleyPerpetual>
s/term/shell/
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<lvn>
I personally prefer atom :p
<AshleyPerpetual>
ri Time
<AshleyPerpetual>
Nothing known about Time
<AshleyPerpetual>
profound
<AshleyPerpetual>
lvn: I tried atom but it used wayyyy too much memory
<adaedra>
pacman -S ruby-doc # iirc
<lvn>
That's totally fair lol
<adaedra>
let's not start an editor war here.
<AshleyPerpetual>
im on a virtual machine at an internet cafe... I only have 1.7GB to spare
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<AshleyPerpetual>
im not trying - I prefer atom
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<AshleyPerpetual>
it's just the memory usage was way higher
<lvn>
I mostly use it because it looks really nice and I would feel bad switching back to subl
<AshleyPerpetual>
thanks adaedra
<lvn>
Yeah that's totally fair
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<AshleyPerpetual>
I wonder what a similar editor in ruby would be like
<AshleyPerpetual>
everything is an object after all...
<AshleyPerpetual>
could be interesting
* adaedra
makes AshleyPerpetual an object
<th__>
what's wrong with vi? (:
<workmad3>
vim > vi :P
* AshleyPerpetual
ports adaedra's consciousness into javascript and runs them on ie6
<adaedra>
?offtopic
<ruby[bot]>
this seems to be off-topic. Please move your discussion to #ruby-offtopic, to keep this channel free for Ruby related problems. Thanks!
<adaedra>
AshleyPerpetual: wow, that's mean
<AshleyPerpetual>
my job is front end web dev, watch what you're turning me into there buddy!
<th__>
you can't find vim on every system but you can count on vi
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<AshleyPerpetual>
I'm learning ruby to then learn rails
<AshleyPerpetual>
im also new to front end stuff, which is ok because my friend is letting me learn as I go
<lvn>
I don't want to start an argument, but personally I think vim is better than vim.
<AshleyPerpetual>
lol
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<workmad3>
lvn: how to start an argument between programmers - express a preference about editors :)
<AshleyPerpetual>
/Welllll/ it depends what you mean by vim exactly, in each case...
<lvn>
mhm :p
<lvn>
vim as in the household cleaning product
<workmad3>
as AshleyPerpetual is showing, it even works if you express a preference about vim in a room of vim lovers :D
<AshleyPerpetual>
I used to use vim honestly, until I heard about this sublime fad
<AshleyPerpetual>
workmad3: lol
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<AshleyPerpetual>
then I tried atom, loved it... until it crashed my vm
<AshleyPerpetual>
dat memory usage
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<workmad3>
vim 4evar!
<AshleyPerpetual>
two chromiums can't compete...
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<workmad3>
adaedra: gl with that... offtopic in #ruby 4evar!
<adaedra>
workmad3: try me.
<AshleyPerpetual>
*offtopicing intensifies*
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<workmad3>
adaedra: ok, I will :)
<AshleyPerpetual>
lol
<AshleyPerpetual>
didn't see that one coming
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<adaedra>
Nice hat, I have the same somewhere.
<workmad3>
:)
<adaedra>
Also, you're hiding from -ops, workmad3?
<workmad3>
oh, I forgot to add it to my autojoin still :(
<adaedra>
:p
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<Gasher>
hi everyone, I'm trying to install rbx with rvm, but it doesn't work since it wants to use "llvm". llvm package is version 3.6 that's unsupported, so I installed "llvm-3.5" package instead. however, rvm gets "llvm" package by itself which it doesn't work with
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<Gasher>
I'm on Ubuntu 15.10
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<norc_>
Gasher: Want to use RVM specifically?
<Gasher>
well, I'm just using rvm
<Gasher>
I could compile it manually, but that'd be the last resort
<norc_>
Gasher: For rvm you can override the compiler with CC I think.
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<Gasher>
okaaay
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<Gasher>
norc_; no idea what you mean
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<Gasher>
I just wanted to see the performance difference between Ruby, Rubinius and Crystal
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<dionysus69>
math question: what curvature should a curve have in order for it to create a perfect circle? and in which units is curvature measured? I know angles are measured in degrees but how can I measure curvature without an angle? I am asking it here because I couldn't find a proper way to google my question
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<darix>
i am sure there is a math channel on freenode
<norc_>
dionysus69: Though since you asked, a circle is just 2*pi, or just tau.
<norc_>
That is the cleanest way to describe a circle mathematically. :O
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<dionysus69>
I did ask on math channel I thought it was dead :D ok thanks anyways :)
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<Gasher>
darix; i just installed fish on Ubuntu, it has surprisingly easy
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<darix>
apt-get install fish
<darix>
?
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<Gasher>
darix; I added through a PPA, not sure if it's in the default repo. to start using it, I just had to use a custom path in my terminal emulato
<Gasher>
r
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<darix>
you could also have changed your login shell
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<Gasher>
darix; chsh? then it only works for tty's
<Gasher>
my emulator (gnome-terminal) still used bash
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<nocontrol>
does anyone use gollum ?
<nocontrol>
I am getting a silly error: Gollum::InvalidGitRepositoryError
<nocontrol>
I could use some help :)
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<adaedra>
Gasher: chsh should change default shell for everything (but may require a logout/login). Maybe your gnome-terminal is setup to use bash and not default shell.
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<Gasher>
I'm guessing it's made to use bash, but that doesn't matter
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<dionysus69>
is jruby as stable as ruby appart from possible speed differences?
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<chrisseaton>
dionysus69: generally yes - if you have any problems or questions there is a dedicated #jruby room where you can get help
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<vasilakisfil>
hello: was there any safe navigation operator in ruby implemented as `.?` ?
<imperator>
apparently that's still not gzip format
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<apeiros>
you mean as in how to save it to a file with .gzip suffix?
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<apeiros>
errr, .gz
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<imperator>
apeiros, need to test with ActiveSupport::Gzip.decompress
<imperator>
which in turn is calling Zlib::GzipReader.new(StringIO.new(encoded))
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<apeiros>
iirc zlib deflate is not gzip
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<imperator>
oh. hrm.
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<apeiros>
Zlib::Gzip* are for gzip
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<apeiros>
GzipReader/GzipWriter are probably the ones of interest to you
<apeiros>
and I remember them to be rather inconvenient to deal with just strings
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<imperator>
yeah, looks like it's not setup for stream compression, gotta use a file :(
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<apeiros>
StringIO worked iirc
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<apeiros>
at least I'm pretty sure I've used those in the past without a file
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<apeiros>
yupp, works
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<imperator>
ok, thanks
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<apeiros>
w
<apeiros>
*yw
* apeiros
accidentally the abbreviation
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<darix>
imperator: base64 after compression sounds weird
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<imperator>
darix, could be, wasn't sure if that was intrinsic to compression/gzip format or not
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<imperator>
i'm not that familiar with what goes on under the hood
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<darix>
imperator: that feels awkward .. you compress first and then explode the data into base64 again^^
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<imperator>
darix, looking at the examples i came across, it looks like they were doing that just to make it printable or something
<imperator>
or maybe that's necessary to go across the wire properly?
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<darix>
naw
<darix>
also not required for that
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<imperator>
hm...my memory may be failing me, but i seem to recall having issues with raw output across the wire, but let me test that
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<darix>
depends on the protocol on the line
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<imperator>
yeah, it comes across the wire as numbers ;)
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<apeiros>
base64 is usually used for non-binary safe carriers
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<apeiros>
like to embed it in html
<darix>
imperator: like any binary. though question is http?
<darix>
proper headers set?
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<darix>
so if we want to embed apeiros. we will need base64. a lot of base64.
<imperator>
well, this is via the winrm module, so basically i'm running a powershell script remotely, compressing the results on their end, and retrieving the data on my end
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<imperator>
looking at the raw output, it's "\r\n108\r\n145\r\n44\r\n255\r\n177\r\n142" and so on
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<Gasher>
thanks
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<Gasher>
in simple words, which one is better / what's different?
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<havenwood>
Gasher: Of the two I linked, the first switches between Rubies and the second installs Rubies. They work together.
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<adaedra>
?better
<ruby[bot]>
"Best" and "better" are subjective. Try to use a different term.
<havenwood>
Gasher: RVM, rbenv/ruby-build and chruby/ruby-install are three paths of many that one can take for installing and switching between Rubies.
<adaedra>
rbenv uses a "shim" system, which is some proxy executables that will select the right ruby when running it or a gem command, whereas chruby will update $PATH to point directly to the right binaries.
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<havenwood>
and ruby-build ships its own openssl but otherwise relies on you for deps and ruby-install uses your package manager for openssl and deps
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<havenwood>
for ruby-build you update the tool to get new checksum/version metadata and for ruby-install you sync the latest checksum/version metadata from the ruby-versions repo
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<t-richards>
There was one distinct quality I recall; I was browsing the book source on GitHub and I noticed they were generating some very pretty Mac OS-looking decorated irb snippets by using a liquid tag in Jekyll:
<t-richards>
Something along the lines of
<t-richards>
{% irb %}
<Nilium>
Do you remember anything about the writing style?
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<t-richards>
I'm afraid I don'
<t-richards>
t.
<Nilium>
Guessing it's probably not _why's
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<apeiros>
t-richards: pine.fm maybe?
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<apeiros>
gotta reload before being able to copy the url after a search. I keep forgetting that :(
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<t-richards>
Not the pickaxe one either, I'm afraid.
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<t-richards>
The major visual distinction was that they had irb sessions in the markup (not screenshots) with a window-decoration thing applied to them
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<t-richards>
I wish there were a usable code search tool; I'm 99% positive that I saw "{% irb %}" on GitHub after discovering that their book was open-source
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<apeiros>
volty: depending on your OS, there's /proc
<eam>
volty: there are a ton of ways to do it, but it depends on your OS
<Mon_Ouie>
GC.stat has some info
<shevy>
eam everyone loved the real lebowski!
<Mon_Ouie>
(If you mean the ruby process's own memory usage)
<shevy>
cool... I don't think I have used GC.stat before
<shevy>
Mon_Ouie and havenwood are my two main knowledge bases here in #ruby, they know the wild stuff
<shevy>
:heap_tomb_pages
<shevy>
GC.stat even has zombie info!
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<volty>
yap, thx Mon_Ouie, thx all
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<volty>
I hope gc.stat relies on os system calls. I have an extension (webkit) that sometimes eats too much memory.
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<volty>
linux here, but I'll need it on win too
<Mon_Ouie>
I don't think it knows about memory usage that isn't due to the size of actual Ruby objects
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<volty>
ah, thx again, I'll go with apeiros' /proc, and then think about win with ext prog or a small c extension
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<lakiluki>
Hello guys, I'm new at ruby and I'm trying to make a script that fetches xml data using open-uri. The code looks like this "Nokogiri::XML(open(url))", the problem is the script exites when the http code is 400 (which can happen and I just want it to ignore it), how can I do this?
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<Ox0dea>
lakiluki: Are you sure you don't want to fix whatever's causing you to make bad requests?
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<lakiluki>
0x0dea: Well I'm getting the data from a REST service and "400 Bad request" includes the error code and description in the XML data, and I want to display that.
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<lakiluki>
So yeah, I don't want to fix it
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<lakiluki>
Ox0dea, quoating again since I misspelt your username in the previous message, the O and 0 are hard to differ haha
<Ox0dea>
lakiluki: Sorry about that. Maybe use a font with a slashed zero. :P
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<Ox0dea>
In any case, the name of the exception in question is Net::HTTPBadRequest; rescue that and do whatever seems appropriate.
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<lakiluki>
Ox0dea, it actually has a dot in the middle of the zero, but I didn't see it at first, I need to get my eyes checked haha
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<Ox0dea>
lakiluki: Nah, you can't be faulted for seeing what's supposed to be a hexadecimal literal as, well, a hexadecimal literal. :P
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* apeiros
uses a font with dotted zero
<apeiros>
since slashed zero is actually a different character
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<apeiros>
øØ0O # 4 different chars
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<Papierkorb>
That isn't even a slashed zero .. it's a slashed o ..
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<adaedra>
tobiasvl: no or dk?
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<ruby329>
Hey guys, so I have two questions. Are there any major differences for going through files on a windows computer vs a linux computer? Also, how would I go through files on a server instead of my harddrive?
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<adaedra>
ruby329: there are some differences between Windows an Linux FS (Mainly, Windows use drive letters, C:, D:, etc, where linux has a common root /). It depends on what you need to do.
<tobiasvl>
adaedra: no
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<apeiros>
no. the bane of yaml.
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<adaedra>
ruby329: for a server, you may want to use something like ftp or sftp (or mount it through smb or nfs and access it like a local fs)
<adaedra>
tobiasvl: I wondered for a second what you were replying negatively to :D
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<tobiasvl>
hey, you were the one who asked and presented me with the options!
<adaedra>
HEJ NORGE
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<tobiasvl>
HEJ HEJ HEMSKT MYCKET HEJ
<Ox0dea>
So many consonants.
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<ruby329>
adaedra: I'm not doing anything major, just listing off all of the files, and for ftp/sftp do you have any recommended gems? Lastly, what would be the best way to list all files in a directory including sub directories. I can implement a recursive function, but I suspect ruby might already have something in place.
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<ruby[bot]>
havenwood: # => method `foo' for class `#<Class:#<Object:0x413f9350>>' is private (NameError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/527635)
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<jordanm>
I have a repository with multiple projects. each project is in it's own directory of the root of the project. each one has it's own rakefile, with some minor differences. I already have some common functions shared between rake files, but I would also like to share namespaces and tasks. does rake support any type of inheritance?
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<Disavowed>
Hey all. New to Ruby so go easy on me. What's the name for something that creates directories and files during a gem install? I'm trying to write one but I'm having trouble finding relevant information.
<shevy>
well it is valid ruby code so you can use everything that ruby allows you to use jordanm but I am not sure if rake itself has any form of extra inheritance-pattern for subdirectories or projects in them
<jordanm>
shevy: thanks
<shevy>
Disavowed is it require 'fileutils'; FileUtils.mkdir_p() ?
<shevy>
or just a recursive copy perhaps... cp_rv or cp_r() and verbose flag... guess cp_rv does not exist :D
<Disavowed>
shevy: Oh wow, don't I feel like an idiot! Thank you so much!
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<Disavowed>
I'm creating my first Gem - what's the best way to run it while developing? Do I have to build it each time?
<adaedra>
So if you have a binary, `ruby -Ilib bin/mygem`, or if you want to play with it, `pry -Ilib -rmygem` (for requiring it)
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<adaedra>
I think there's also a bundle console command that does the same.
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<shevy>
Disavowed I usually use setup.rb to copy the new one without having to build a new gem and installing it; but this would also be easy with aliases + ruby scripts
<warreng__>
quick regexp question... i have a CSV file that doesn't escape quotes. knowing that fields are comma delimited and strings are wrapped in matching double quotes, can regex convert the string "2015-07-25","Toys"r"us","-17.95" to "2015-07-25","Toys""r""us","-17.95" (notice double "" in "Toys""r""us")?
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<warreng__>
likely using lookahead and lookbehind?
<tobiasvl>
warreng__: should work, look into negative lookbehind/lookahead and exclude ," and ",
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<kirillzh>
Ox0dea, thanks a lot!
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<Ox0dea>
kirillzh: Sure thing. :)
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<sts>
hello folks. I'd like to setup a yaml config file, which evaluates a key's value in context of my application. eg. path: '/var/www/#{application}' should be expandend later on in the application. how would i best do that?
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<drbrain>
sts: where does application come from?
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<sts>
drbrain: from a trusted config file.
<sts>
oh sorry
<sts>
no
<sts>
application context, eg. an instance variable of my class.
<drbrain>
so, kinda, "a different file"?
<drbrain>
and will path almost-always start with "/var/www/" or will it be arbitrary?
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<drbrain>
… my idea is to have a line like "application_parent_directory: '/var/www/'" and File.join it with application when you need to build the path
<drbrain>
instead of interpolating, which is fraught with peril
<drbrain>
if it's almost-always the same you can provide a default at the spot where you would expand it
<drbrain>
instead of having a giant name like that in the YAML config file
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<sts>
drbrain: i need to be able to configure the pattern how a directroy structure looks like.
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