#ruby on 2016-02-28 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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00:07 <doctorly> I'm trying to have a method that is given a character, lets say 'a', and then can translate that into 'author'. so I can call something like 'ovj.author' when I am passed 'a'. What method should I look into?

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00:08 <Ox0dea> &ri Abbrev @doctorly

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00:08 <`derpy> doctorly: http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.3.0/libdoc/abbrev/rdoc/Abbrev.html

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00:09 <doctorly> derpy: thank you!

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00:14 <humblespoon> so I'm writing a class Dictionary to store words and their meanings in a hash, but I'm not really sure what I'm doing wrong since when I call a Dictionary.new it contain nil as opposed to an empty hash. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? http://paste2.org/8zLU14dW

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00:15 <shevy> x = Dictionary.new # => #<Dictionary:0x0000000647e798 @entries={}>

00:15 <shevy> the code you showed above will initialize @entries to {}

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00:16 <humblespoon> shevy: so x.entries should return an empty hash instead of nil? cause that's what I was hoping for

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00:17 <Ox0dea> humblespoon: https://eval.in/526757

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00:18 <Ox0dea> That doesn't look like `nil` to me? :P

00:18 <shevy> yeah x.entries # => {}

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00:18 <shevy> humblespoon here is one way how you may have nil

00:18 <shevy> Dictionary.new nil # => #<Dictionary:0x0000000646d858 @entries=nil>

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00:19 <Darmani> DONT LISTEN TO OX0DEA

00:19 <Darmani> He lies for attention

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00:19 <shevy> humblespoon but you can check for this in your code too; use a custom setter method for @entries, and if nil is given, either you raise an error, or convert it to the default (empty hash)

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00:21 <humblespoon> ok thanks shevy, I'll try that. Also I'm bookmarking that site Ox0dea , thanks :)

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00:22 <shevy> Darmani you analyze the channel people! :(

00:22 <Darmani> war

00:22 <Darmani> wat

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00:22 <shevy> and you are always willing to go to war about it. I like that

00:22 <Darmani> fuck you lol

00:23 <shevy> we could split the male programmers into two groups

00:23 <shevy> - those with a big bushy beard

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00:23 <shevy> - and those who envy the former

00:23 <Darmani> LOL

00:23 <Darmani> I'd definitely be the former.

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00:31 <nofxx> There's a way to get all classes that inherited from one? Or do I need to self.inherited(klass); subclasses << klass... make mine?

00:31 <humblespoon> so the eval.in site is really useful for testing my code. however, I can get my code to run there fine https://eval.in/526761, but when I try running the rspec from my class to check my code it is saying my hash is empty rather than {"fish" =>"aquatic animal"} (paste of the rspec code https://eval.in/526764). Is there something different about... I guess instance variables?

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00:33 <nofxx> humblespoon, how you're testing? have in mind p will output to stdout

00:34 <shevy> humblespoon your code does not add anything

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00:34 <shevy> @a.add("fish" => "Aquatic animal")

00:34 <shevy> # => #<Dictionary:0x0000000542c5e8 @entries={}>

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00:35 <humblespoon> nofxx: we were given an rspec file from class which I'm executing from command line to check my code.

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00:35 <shevy> humblespoon exchange .merge with .update and it will have added to @entries

00:35 <shevy> #<Dictionary:0x00000000ea0420 @entries={"fish"=>"Aquatic animal"}>

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00:36 <humblespoon> shevy thanks. Haven't covered .update before. What went wrong with the merge exactly? I think I'm a bit confused about how instance variables work

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00:38 <shevy> no, you only were calling the wrong method

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00:39 <shevy> http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.3.0/Hash.html#method-i-merge

00:39 <shevy> http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.3.0/Hash.html#method-i-update

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00:39 <shevy> if the docu is too boring, only look at the examples :D

00:40 <humblespoon> haha ok thanks

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00:42 <humblespoon> shevy: oh so .merge returned a new hash and didn't modify the original object. does that mean I could use .merge! instead to modify/update it then?

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00:46 <shevy> humblespoon yeah I think so, update is probably an alias to .merge! but I find methods without ! easier to read

00:46 <shevy> (if they have arguments)

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01:00 <Ox0dea> nofxx: https://eval.in/526772

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01:07 <lewis1711> how do I map over a hash to get another hash? I want to perform some function on evey value, but leave the keys

01:08 <Ox0dea> lewis1711: Do you hate `hash.map { |k, v| [k, v.something_or_other] }.to_h`?

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01:09 <lewis1711> Ox0dea, nope, that looks great, but it never showed up when I searched. I was looking for "to_hash". thanks

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01:10 <Ox0dea> lewis1711: Ah, well, I was gonna suggest `hash.keys.zip(hash.values.map ...).to_h` if you did.

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01:10 <Ox0dea> #to_hash is a thing, but it's for telling an object what to do when it gets double-splatted.

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02:09 <cj> is there a reason that ruby doesn't use automake?

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02:40 <shevy> cj for what projects?

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02:58 <ruby-lang807> hello, I fear I am experiencing a weird behaviour. I have a master process than opens a database connection and keeps into its state, than spawns a child (through #fork). Now I suspect that when the child terminates, it also closes the database connection because the handle is shared?

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02:58 <ruby-lang807> does it make sense?

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03:34 <cj> sorry. looks like webber went down.

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03:34 <cj> to answer your question: ruby

03:34 <cj> ruby does not use automake

03:34 <cj> if there's no reason not to, I'll patch something up.

03:34 <cj> we can really clean up the makefile system if we move a bunch of the templatization code in to Makefile.am

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03:42 <shevy> yeah not sure, there is a Makefile.in and a configure.in but no *.ac files

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03:51 <michaelreed> i don't like **ggers and my boss wants me to partner up with one how can i convince my boss to not pair me up with them?

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03:52 <cj> yeah, configure.in should be re-named to configure.ac and the Makefile.in should be generated by automake from Makefile.am

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03:53 <havenwood> !ban michaelreed !P racist trolling

03:53 michaelreed was kicked from #ruby by ruby[bot] [racist trolling]

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03:54 <eam_> ruby-lang807: yes, sounds a lot like what's described here? https://github.com/brianmario/mysql2/pull/463

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03:55 <eam_> ruby-lang807: there are a number of ways the handle can be invalidated via the forked copy

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03:59 <shevy> lol https://github.com/franckverrot/fruby

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04:09 <b|ackwolf> is there any problem that I read "The Well-Grounded Rubyist First Edition" ?

04:10 <b|ackwolf> I meant because it covers 1.9

04:10 <shevy> it's ok I guess, the other newer things you'll learn quickly the more code you write on your own

04:11 <b|ackwolf> tnx

04:11 <shevy> ruby in its base, is actually quite simple. object.method; there are a lot of things in the stdlib/corelib which you probably will discover only when you try to use them

04:11 <shevy> like ... .find .grep .detect .reject ... hmm .select ... the slice methods....

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04:15 <shevy> I remember that when I started with ruby, I bought the pickaxe... in 2004 or so

04:16 <shevy> that was a good investment

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04:16 <shevy> I bought the second pickaxe in ... 2008? 2009? or so... but since I knew most of the stuff already, it was not such a good investment anymore :(

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04:46 <arthur_berg> Hello. I want to learn more about ruby garbage collector and virtual machine of ruby. Is there any articles or books that explain in detail about these things?

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05:16 <zacts> arthurix: there was a book, but I've never read it (and I'm a newbie)

05:16 <zacts> let me find it though

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05:17 <zacts> arthur_berg: http://patshaughnessy.net/ruby-under-a-microscope

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05:17 <zacts> oops sorry arthurix

05:17 <zacts> my completion got confused

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08:37 <sebyx07> does anyone know how to use java8 lambads in jruby https://gist.github.com/sebyx07/7a116d89e0b7a74a833f/edit ?

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09:31 <vikas027> Hello Everyone, I am trying to XML-RPC as suggested over here https://www.dokuwiki.org/devel:xmlrpc. This code https://dpaste.de/DX9i works fine if I enable everyone to make API calls through which I can login to the dokuwiki. How can I make this code work when I have a particular user 'apiuser' only to make API calls, pls see this https://dpaste.de/Bbsz. I understand that the 'dokuwiki.login' works but not the subsequent commands,

09:31 <vikas027> since the scope of the first call ends after it is executed.

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10:19 <the_drow> What does !!variable means? I'm assuming it's not not. Why would anyone do that?

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10:20 <apeiros> the_drow: "convert" to boolean

10:20 <apeiros> >> !!"value"

10:20 <ruby[bot]> apeiros: # => /tmp/execpad-9174785478b8/source-9174785478b8:2: warning: string literal in condition ...check link for more (https://eval.in/526817)

10:20 <apeiros> meep

10:20 <the_drow> Oh

10:20 <apeiros> >> x="value"; !!x

10:20 <ruby[bot]> apeiros: # => true (https://eval.in/526819)

10:20 <apeiros> >> x=nil; !!x

10:20 <ruby[bot]> apeiros: # => false (https://eval.in/526820)

10:20 <the_drow> That's the strangest syntax I've seen in ruby so far

10:21 <the_drow> Oh well

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11:28 <aces1up> hey, i ususally develop on cloud9 ide.. I was wondering for a ruby standalone what would be a good package/system i can use along with git to auto push my app/gems/etc to my deployment server?

11:28 <aces1up> and update etc..

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12:26 <scalper> hey

12:26 <scalper> Unable to locate package libapache2-mod-ruby

12:26 <scalper> i tried sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-ruby

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12:26 <scalper> what is wrong?

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12:29 <Gasher> hi, how to access the string if I'm modifying the String object prototype?

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12:30 <apeiros> Gasher: sure you didn't want #javascript?

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12:30 <Gasher> apeiros; I know how to do it in JS, but I don't know how to do it in Ruby

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12:30 <apeiros> because ruby doesn't do prototypical OO

12:30 <Gasher> I used JS terminology

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12:31 <apeiros> ruby's self is =~ js' this

12:31 <Gasher> I have an assignment where I have to add a function to the string class

12:31 <Gasher> *String

12:31 <Gasher> so do I just use self to get the string?

12:31 <apeiros> yes

12:31 <Gasher> ok, thanks

12:32 <apeiros> be aware that modifying core classes is a code smell

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12:33 <Gasher> what do you mean exactly?

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12:33 <apeiros> I mean that you should not do it unless you know what you're doing

12:33 <apeiros> and given your apparent level of expertise, I'd doubt that you do

12:34 <apeiros> (not meant as an offense)

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12:35 <Gasher> apeiros; yeah sure. it's just that I'm on a website that gives assignments and that one included adding a method to the prototype (as I call it)

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12:35 <apeiros> to the class

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12:35 <apeiros> there's no prototype

12:36 <apeiros> classes and modules are the containers for methods (no functions either)

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12:36 <Gasher> yeah, to the String class

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12:37 * Gasher is a JS developer that hates JS and loves Ruby

12:37 <apeiros> um, you don't need to do any allegiance vows in here ;-)

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12:37 <Gasher> I know, but that's my true view

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13:29 <ytti> http://p.ip.fi/2LCV - post run

13:29 <ytti> [1] pry(#<Test>)> ObjectSpace.each_object.select{|o|o.class == Thread}.map{|o|ObjectSpace.memsize_of(o)}.count

13:29 <ytti> => 10001

13:29 <ytti> why?

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13:29 <ytti> i would expect the Threds to be GCd

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13:34 <hanmac> ytti: why do you ".map{|o|ObjectSpace.memsize_of(o)}" ?

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13:34 <ytti> hanmac, i wanted to see how much each thread uses memory

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13:34 <ytti> hanmac, my main question is, why do they even appear there

13:35 <ytti> hanmac, threads are long gone

13:35 <hanmac> yeah but in that currently you dont use the memsize ...

13:35 <ytti> yeah because i added .count

13:35 <hanmac> also just use ObjectSpace.each_object(Thread) to get the Threads, so you dont need select

13:35 <ytti> i didn't bother removed the earlier part

13:35 <ytti> thanks, but this is not really addressing the issue i'm having

13:36 <hanmac> ytti: you might try it in irb or plain ruby to see if there is a smiliar result

13:36 <ytti> i expect count to be 1, not 10001

13:36 <ytti> yes, the results remain

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13:37 <apeiros> ytti: GC isn't immediate. objects can be collected any time, even long after they stop being in use.

13:37 <hanmac> otherwise try to run GC.start before, because the Threads might not be GC'd yet

13:37 <ytti> apeiros, even if i do: deleted.each { |thread| thread.terminate; GC.start

13:37 <ytti> apeiros, result is same

13:37 <apeiros> ytti: thread.terminate doesn't mean it's no longer referenced

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13:37 <ytti> apeiros, how can i avoid it being referred?

13:38 <apeiros> stop having them in your array

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13:38 <apeiros> "how do I stop referencing thing?" - well, obviously by not referencing them

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13:38 <ytti> apeiros, it's local array, which goes out of scope

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13:38 <apeiros> and you do the GC test in your binding pry within the same local scope?

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13:39 <ytti> apeiros, yes, but intention is not to delete the current batch, intention is to delete the previous

13:39 <ytti> apeiros, yet at the end of run, i have 10001 Threads

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13:39 <ytti> apeiros, http://p.ip.fi/Tii3

13:40 <ytti> apeiros, can you produce results where ObjectSpace does get rid of Threads in similar code?

13:40 <ytti> or really, any code running threads

13:40 <ytti> this is ruby 2.3 for what's it is worth

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13:42 <ytti> i fear this is expected behaviour

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13:45 <apeiros> ytti: $ ruby -e 'ary = Array.new(100) { Thread.new {sleep 1} }; p ObjectSpace.each_object(Thread).count; ary.each(&:join); ary.clear; GC.start; p ObjectSpace.each_object(Thread).count'

13:45 <apeiros> prints 101, then 1

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13:48 <ytti> apeiros, i don't understand why in my example it wouldn't be out of scope

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13:51 <ytti> apeiros, funny, just adding deleted.clear in the code, and GC works (not running it manually)

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13:51 <ytti> apeiros, but deleted clearly goes out-of-scope after the while loop

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13:54 <ytti> apeiros, http://p.ip.fi/75yc

13:54 <ytti> by

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13:54 <ytti> apeiros, what on earth is keeping the #delete_if elements, they're not even returned

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14:01 <ytti> aah

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14:01 <ytti> i think this might be pry's fault

14:01 <ytti> the first time i invoke pry run-time, i see sensible amount of threads

14:01 <ytti> regardless how long i've been running

14:01 <ytti> the second time i invoke pry run-time, i see nonsensical amount of threads

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14:01 <ytti> i'm guessing pry might be storing the references somewhere

14:02 <ytti> let's see if rbtrace is more reliable for runtime poking

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14:08 <ytti> rbtrace -p 70334 -e 'Thread.new{p ObjectSpace.each_object.select{|o|o.class == Thread}.map{|o|ObjectSpace.memsize_of(o)}.count}'

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14:09 <ytti> yeah this shows sensible numbers, regardless of what type of code i run

14:09 <Ox0dea> You can just say `ObjectSpace.each_object(Thread)`, for what that's worth.

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14:11 <ytti> yeah i know

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14:11 <ytti> i'm just poking at the sizes of individual threads as well

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14:12 <Ox0dea> But you're throwing that information away?

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14:12 <ytti> i'm running it sometimes without #count

14:12 <ytti> sometimes with it

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14:12 <ytti> same issue when people complain about grep|wc -l :)

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14:14 <Ox0dea> "Doing things the wrong way builds character."

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14:47 <francuz> hello everyone, i'm pretty new to ruby and would want to ask for a few keywords to help me with my searches,

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14:48 <francuz> i have a structure where i have a few programs running on one or several machines, and would like them to communicate(probably via an API if i understood well), but whenever i search for API with ruby i find a lot of things only about rails and not about "ruby only" programs,

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14:49 <francuz> is it called another way or ? (structure would be like http://postimg.org/image/pyca99lub/, not all ruby programs so it cannot be one big programs)(requests have parameters of course)

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15:07 <shevy> francuz depends on what you need; drb distributed ruby perhaps

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15:07 <shevy> then you also have ruby daemons

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15:10 <francuz> for now : i have a program that read a lot of stuff and parse it and fill a DB with the info, and i have another program that read the DB and do some actions, and a third program that just communicate with my phone to send me some data,

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15:11 <francuz> i put 3 flag in the db and made a cron so the programs will check every 2 minutes, and do actions if the flags are up(and than change the flag so the other programs will know what to do), but i know it's not the way to go,

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15:12 <francuz> just need a way to transmit "do 'action 3' now with the numer '72'" from a program to another(i'm checking the drb thing now)

15:16 <Ox0dea> francuz: Sounds like you want IPC? https://github.com/kschiess/cod

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15:20 <francuz> not totally sure it's exactly what i need but it looks very good :D, and mostly : i now know the keywords i needed to make my searches, thanks a lot,

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15:28 <havenwood> good morn!

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15:37 <ruby-lang879> Hello, how to directly read ri files under my Ruby installation directory such as ~/.rbenv/versions/2.3.0/share/ri/2.3.0/system

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16:00 <n1colas> Hello

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16:03 <havenwood> n1colas: g'mornin

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17:28 <b|ackwolf> how can I install ruby1.9.1 using rvm. I'm running Fedora 23 on my machine.

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17:28 <diegoviola> don't use rvm, use chruby/ruby-install

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17:29 <havenwood> b|ackwolf: Are you sure you want Ruby 1.9.1? That was never a stable Ruby. It's the ABI number for 1.9.2 and 1.9.3 though (both of which are past end of life). Why do you want 1.9.1?

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17:30 <b|ackwolf> havenwood, I'm reading The Well-Grounded Rubyist first edition.

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17:31 <havenwood> b|ackwolf: The examples that don't work on modern Ruby aren't useful any longer. I'd suggest using Ruby 2.3 and accepting that some of the first examples won't work.

17:31 <havenwood> b|ackwolf: Most will work.

17:31 <Aviio> havenwood: I was just about to say that

17:31 <b|ackwolf> havenwood, okay then I install latest version.

17:31 <Aviio> Kinda seems counter-productive to gimp yourself with an older version of ruby when learning

17:31 <b|ackwolf> tnx

17:31 <havenwood> b|ackwolf: rvm get head && rvm install ruby-2.3.0

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17:33 * hanmac uses ruby-head

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17:38 <Ox0dea> hanmac: Does that mean trunk?

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17:38 <hanmac> Ox0dea: yeah my ruby is 0 days old

17:38 <Ox0dea> Find a use case for NoMethodError#private_call? yet?

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17:39 <Ox0dea> I guess it's probably for did_you_mean.

17:39 <shevy> \o/

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18:06 <wtiger> Hi!

18:06 <wtiger> what are some cool resources for learning intermediate and advanced ruby?

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18:08 <shevy> wtiger havenwood reads other people's code

18:09 <shevy> I myself am too lazy for that... there are some good blog entries here and there... hmm .... things like https://banisterfiend.wordpress.com/ but they are kind of scattered all over the www

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18:13 <shevy> you can also peek at source code like of rack

18:13 <wtiger> has anyone completed ruby bits courses on code school?

18:13 <wtiger> shevy: ok

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18:13 <wtiger> *tried

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18:39 <ruby-lang256> hello

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18:41 <havenwood> ruby-lang256: hi

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18:41 <ruby-lang256> I am new to programming and I have been studying using both ruby monk and codeacademy to learn Ruby. However, I am struggling to implement what it is I have learned. I feel as if i understand a lot of the synthax that it is I have been reading about but putting it to use is still a struggle for.

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18:43 <ruby-lang256> My big question is how can I help myself start to really grasp and use Ruby comfortably are there any recommendations?

18:44 <Ox0dea> ruby-lang256: Do the Koans: http://rubykoans.com/

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18:44 <adaedra> Use it, do some projects, work in other projects

18:44 <havenwood> ruby-lang256: +1 for the Koans, ask here when you get stuck!

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18:45 <havenwood> ruby-lang256: You might review Chris Pine's Learn to Program and make sure you're comfortable with those foundations: https://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/

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18:48 <ruby-lang256> I appreciate it I have come across both rubykoans and Chris Pine's Learn to Program but I'll make sure to check them out again and actually go through them

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19:02 <shevy> ruby-lang256 the hardest but by far the best way is to write as much code on your own, programming is something applied for the most part... unless you are in the algorithm/math department

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19:08 <hanmac> shevy the best way is to study the code until its part of you: https://49.media.tumblr.com/a7bfc9c21a8984a12a87770e15dc8648/tumblr_mmzavpOVEn1s38n8zo1_500.gif

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19:08 <kaleido> i find it helps to try to reverse someones ruby as well

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19:08 <Noob> I have a question about creating methods in a model using ruby on rails

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19:08 <hanmac> Noob: try #rubyonrails

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19:09 <ruby-lang391> Hey guys quick question. I came across this strange syntax. some string >= ?0. term[0] >= ?0 && term[0] <= ?9; where term[0] is a char

19:09 <ruby-lang391> what does ?0 mean?

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19:10 <havenwood> >> ?0

19:10 <ruby[bot]> havenwood: # => "0" (https://eval.in/527015)

19:10 <havenwood> ruby-lang391: It's a "character literal."

19:10 <adaedra> 18>> ?0

19:10 <ruby[bot]> adaedra: # => 48 (https://eval.in/527017)

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19:11 <ruby-lang391> so it's asking if it is a character?

19:11 <adaedra> No, it's a one-char shorter way way of writing a 1-character long string.

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19:11 <adaedra> ?0 is '0', ?9 is '9'

19:11 <ruby[bot]> adaedra: I don't see no is, whom should I tell about 0?

19:11 <havenwood> ruby-lang391: It used to be different in Ruby 1.8, like adaedra points out.

19:12 <adaedra> go home ruby[bot], you're drunk.

19:12 <ruby-lang391> >> puts ?0 == '0'

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19:12 <havenwood> ruby-lang391: #=> true

19:12 <adaedra> You need to be registered to use the bot. :)

19:12 <havenwood> #>> true

19:13 <havenwood> #=> nil

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19:14 <havenwood> >> ?0 == '0123'.chr

19:14 <ruby[bot]> havenwood: # => true (https://eval.in/527021)

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19:17 <havenwood> ruby[bot]: But yeah, it's just a single char String - but a plain old String nonetheless.

19:17 <adaedra> ?justabot

19:17 <ruby[bot]> I'm just a bot. You don't need to address me.

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19:17 <adaedra> :p

19:18 <havenwood> ruby<tab>

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19:18 <Ox0dea> > I don't see no is

19:19 <havenwood> Who should we tell about the 0 anyways?

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19:35 <flughafen_> is there a way i can access the array if i just did a block using ['foo', 'bar'].each { foo } or do i have to assign it to a variable?

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19:35 <Ox0dea> flughafen_: There's always #tap.

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19:36 <flughafen_> thanks Ox0dea i'll look at #tab

19:36 <flughafen_> p

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19:39 <flughafen_> Ox0dea: do you mean like ['foo', 'bar'].tap { |o] o.each { do stuff? }}

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19:40 <Qureshi> Hello can anyone help me with this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35687050/rails-4-0-bundler-warning

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19:40 <Ox0dea> flughafen_: If that's the behavior you're looking for?

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19:42 <flughafen_> yes, Ox0dea , i'm testing it in pry

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19:43 <havenwood> Qureshi: Did you try following the instructions in that warning already or not yet?

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19:44 <shevy> lol

19:45 <flughafen_> hey shevy

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19:48 <flughafen_> Ox0dea: ok, that is working... wtf is up with pry? i tried it.and was getting no output then i puts something, and now all of a sudden i'm getting output in pry!

19:48 <Ox0dea> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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19:48 <shevy> yo flughafen_ ... you are twice here!

19:49 <shevy> always good to have a backup airport

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19:50 <flughafen_> planes flying in and out!

19:50 <Qureshi> hello Can anyone help me with this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35687050/rails-4-0-bundler-warning

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19:51 <shevy> Qureshi are you a bot

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19:52 <Papierkorb> shevy: Someone should teach helpa or some other bot to auto-complain when someone cross-posts without telling so

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19:54 <havenwood> ?crosspost Qureshi

19:54 <ruby[bot]> Qureshi: Please do not crosspost without at least telling so and mentioning provided suggestions and their outcome in all channels. Experience shows that people don't do either, and not doing so is considered rude.

19:55 <havenwood> Qureshi: Did you try what the warning suggested already?

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19:55 <Qureshi> I did not understand what the bot is stating, sorry?

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19:56 <Qureshi> I am looking for help so posted here and on another programming channel

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19:56 <Qureshi> what is crosspost?

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19:59 <havenwood> Qureshi: It's just pasting the same question in multiple channels. It's fine as long as you say in the channels when you do it, so folk researching your question know if it's already been answered or is being discussed.

19:59 <Qureshi> oh ok thank you, I apologize

20:00 <Qureshi> no one has responded as yet , is there anyone who can assist me with this?

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20:00 <havenwood> Qureshi: No worries. Did you already `bundle config --delete bin` and follow the "upgrade" path the Rails warning proposes?

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20:01 <Qureshi> yes, I followed that

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20:02 <Qureshi> it states no rakefile found

20:02 <Qureshi> when I previously installed the rake gem

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20:03 <havenwood> Qureshi: A Rakefile is a file containing Ruby code related to Rake tasks. The Rake gem is a gem.

20:04 <havenwood> Qureshi: So you have a new error you haven't shown yet?

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20:05 <Qureshi> I uninstalled rails, then reinstalled it, and tried to run rails new appname and it produced the same error, then I did the bundle config --delete

20:05 <Qureshi> and then the next step as stated and it produced this error

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20:06 <Qureshi> Qureshis-MacBook-Pro:~ Qureshi$ rake rails:update:bin

20:06 <Qureshi> rake aborted!

20:06 <Qureshi> No Rakefile found (looking for: rakefile, Rakefile, rakefile.rb, Rakefile.rb)

20:06 <Qureshi> /Users/Qureshi/.rvm/gems/jruby-1.7.19/bin/jruby_executable_hooks:15:in `(root)'

20:06 <Qureshi> (See full trace by running task with --trace)

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20:08 <havenwood> Qureshi: Seems you're not running the command from the root dir of the app. Check that you are?

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20:08 <Qureshi> im not able to create the app itself when I type rails new appname it is giving an error, so I cant enter the app directory

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20:09 <havenwood> Qureshi: What version of Rails is your rails bin running?: rails -v

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20:10 <Qureshi> its giving me the same error when I try to run this as well.

20:10 <Qureshi> Qureshis-MacBook-Pro:~ Qureshi$ rails -v

20:10 <Qureshi> Looks like your app's ./bin/rails is a stub that was generated by Bundler.

20:10 <Qureshi> In Rails 4, your app's bin/ directory contains executables that are versioned

20:10 <Qureshi> like any other source code, rather than stubs that are generated on demand.

20:11 <Qureshi> Here's how to upgrade:

20:11 <Qureshi> bundle config --delete bin # Turn off Bundler's stub generator

20:11 <Qureshi> rake rails:update:bin # Use the new Rails 4 executables

20:11 <Qureshi> git add bin # Add bin/ to source control

20:11 <Qureshi> You may need to remove bin/ from your .gitignore as well.

20:11 <Qureshi> When you install a gem whose executable you want to use in your app,

20:11 <Qureshi> generate it and add it to source control:

20:11 <Qureshi> bundle binstubs some-gem-name

20:11 <Qureshi> git add bin/new-executable

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20:11 <Qureshi> LoadError: no such file to load -- /Users/Qureshi/config/boot

20:11 <Qureshi> require at org/jruby/RubyKernel.java:1071

20:11 <Qureshi> exec_app_rails at /Users/Qureshi/.rvm/gems/jruby-1.7.19/gems/railties-4.2.5.1/lib/rails/app_rails_loader.rb:44

20:11 <Qureshi> loop at org/jruby/RubyKernel.java:1507

20:11 <Qureshi> exec_app_rails at /Users/Qureshi/.rvm/gems/jruby-1.7.19/gems/railties-4.2.5.1/lib/rails/app_rails_loader.rb:34

20:11 <Qureshi> (root) at /Users/Qureshi/.rvm/gems/jruby-1.7.19/gems/railties-4.2.5.1/lib/rails/cli.rb:5

20:11 <havenwood> Qureshi: Please don't paste more than three lines of text here.

20:11 <Qureshi> require at org/jruby/RubyKernel.java:1071

20:11 <Qureshi> (root) at /Users/Qureshi/.rvm/gems/jruby-1.7.19/gems/railties-4.2.5.1/bin/rails:1

20:11 <Qureshi> load at org/jruby/RubyKernel.java:1087

20:11 <Qureshi> (root) at /Users/Qureshi/.rvm/gems/jruby-1.7.19/gems/railties-4.2.5.1/bin/rails:9

20:11 <Qureshi> eval at org/jruby/RubyKernel.java:1107

20:11 <Qureshi> (root) at /Users/Qureshi/.rvm/gems/jruby-1.7.19/bin/jruby_executable_hooks:15

20:11 <Qureshi> I apologize

20:11 <Qureshi> ok understood

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20:14 <havenwood> Qureshi: I'd suggest creating a Gist with the full steps you've taken and the errors you're getting. Then show those to the folk in the #rubyonrails channel. Keep updating your Gist as you try new commands and get new errors.

20:14 <flughafen_> what the hell

20:14 <havenwood> Qureshi: https://gist.github.com

20:14 <Qureshi> ok I will do this

20:14 <Qureshi> thanks

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20:15 <flughafen_> is it better/safer to override inspect or to_s of a class for pretty outputtingof an object?

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20:16 <hanmac> flughafen_ i think the best way might be to do both

20:17 <havenwood> flughafen_: p is to inspect as puts is to to_s

20:17 <flughafen_> ok, thanks

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20:20 <flughafen_> what is called when I just do puts obj?

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20:21 <Gasher> hi, I want to use a function from my own module but it doesn't work: http://pastebin.com/W3n5Li8e

20:21 <ruby[bot]> Gasher: we in #ruby do not like pastebin.com, I reposted your paste to gist for you: https://gist.github.com/9db1661fb18eed3b04b0

20:21 <ruby[bot]> Gasher: pastebin.com loads slowly for most, has ads which are distracting and has terrible formatting.

20:22 <havenwood> Gasher: Gist the code that's failing?

20:22 <Gasher> did you see the bot's message?

20:22 <Gasher> https://gist.github.com/9db1661fb18eed3b04b0

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20:23 <havenwood> Gasher: I mean: formulator.rb

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20:24 <flughafen_> Gasher: yeah, let's see what code called this

20:24 <Gasher> I think it explains everything

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20:24 <Gasher> okay, I know what's wrong

20:25 <Gasher> damn it's difficult to work on multiple languages...

20:25 <Gasher> or no

20:25 <havenwood> Gasher: Yeah, we don't know what `Formulae.pythagoras(n1, n2)` returns, but presumably not a String

20:25 <havenwood> Gasher: Interpolate it into your String

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20:26 <havenwood> >> puts "OMG" "WTF" "BBQ"

20:26 <ruby[bot]> havenwood: # => OMGWTFBBQ ...check link for more (https://eval.in/527064)

20:26 <Ox0dea> But not like that!

20:26 <Gasher> yeah, I don't know why I didn't interpolate it

20:26 <havenwood> No, not like that

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20:27 <havenwood> #{}

20:27 <Gasher> yeah, I know

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20:27 <havenwood> flughafen_: obj gets #to_s called, then if it doesn't end in a "\n" one gets printed as well

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20:28 <havenwood> flughafen_: thought it's not quite so straight up, that's the general case

20:28 <havenwood> though*

20:29 <Gasher> looks like the site I used was written in 1.8.5 :e

20:29 <Gasher> *with

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20:29 <flughafen_> thanks havenwood

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20:33 <havenwood> flughafen_: The new line added at the end comes up in multithreading, since the implicit \n is printed separately from the obj Like if you run this a few times you're likely to get no newline or multiple in a row a few times: 12.times { Thread.new { puts "smurfy!" } }

20:33 <havenwood> flughafen_: But change from implicit to explicit new line, "smurfy" to "smurfy\n" , and then that won't happen. They print together.

20:34 <havenwood> flughafen_: The former is like: print "smurfy!", "\n"

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20:35 <havenwood> Anyways, just an aside.

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20:42 <flughafen_> ok, thanks

20:42 <flughafen_> havenwood: so include new lines all the time?

20:43 <flughafen_> in to_s or inspect

20:43 <Ox0dea> Definitely not.

20:43 <havenwood> flughafen_: No, just something to be aware of.

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20:44 <flughafen_> ok.

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20:47 * flughafen_ is the king of ruby now

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20:48 <Ox0dea> flughafen_: https://eval.in/527089

20:48 <Ox0dea> That should help you sit a little more comfortably on your throne.

20:48 <Ox0dea> Whether a king should sit comfortably or not is a matter for debate, I suppose.

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20:57 <heavyside> yeah rubby whatsup

20:57 <heavyside> hi rbuy whatsup? inggers dats whatsup

20:57 <sonja> my script is too slow... i need to refactor it

20:57 <heavyside> i kill inggers roll

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20:57 <heavyside> i bill inggers oh

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20:57 <heavyside> i slice dem inggers up until they hop back home

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20:57 <heavyside> african inggers, lets put thtme where they belong

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20:57 <heavyside> back in the dirt wherer they ksin is from

20:57 <havenwood> !ban heavyside !P racist trolling

20:57 heavyside was kicked from #ruby by ruby[bot] [racist trolling]

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20:59 <havenwood> Sonja: What's the slow part?

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21:03 <flughafen_> thanks Ox0dea

21:03 <Ox0dea> Sure thing.

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21:09 <Papierkorb> Does someone know where to report ruby-lang.org/ bugs? https://www.ruby-lang.org/de/community/mailing-lists/ the "Wöchentliche Zusammenfassung" and the "Ruby-Forum.org" links direct to a weird or 404 page respectively

21:09 <Papierkorb> No idea if the EN page is broken too.

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21:14 <havenwood> Papierkorb: https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/projects/ruby/wiki/HowToReport

21:14 <Papierkorb> thanks

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21:15 <Papierkorb> havenwood: Is their redmine also the right place to start a discussion on adding new ruby language-level features?

21:15 <Papierkorb> Or is some ML the right place for the first stop?

21:15 <havenwood> Papierkorb: Yup, it's the place to propose.

21:15 <Papierkorb> kk

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21:17 <shevy> oh the dude who was here yesterday

21:17 <shevy> cj or so

21:17 <shevy> https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/trunk/ChangeLog#L3

21:17 <shevy> he indeed fixed stuff

21:17 <shevy> oh he is here too :)

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21:17 <shevy> that's like lightning speed

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22:44 <cj> thanks, shevy!

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22:46 <cj> shevy: I've been on freenode since '95 almost without exception. Welcome to my network :-)

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