havenwood changed the topic of #ruby to: Rules & more: https://ruby-community.com || Ruby 2.4.1, 2.3.4 & 2.2.7: https://www.ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text to: https://gist.github.com || Rails questions? Ask in: #RubyOnRails || Logs: https://irclog.whitequark.org/ruby || Books: https://goo.gl/wpGhoQ
<havenwood> growp: Say more?
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<Nirvash> Does anyone have experience with Ruby XMPP bots?
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<ar1a> whatre you stuck on
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<bekicot> hello world
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<maxtweddell> henlo
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<apeiros> hi maxtweddell
<maxtweddell> Ruby is nice
<apeiros> yeah, I like it too
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<maxtweddell> Funny that
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<maxtweddell> What do you like to do in ruby?
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<maxtweddell> bb
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<intuxicated> Hi all. is method an instance of Proc ? what are they actually ?
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<havenwood> >> method(:puts).class
<ruby[bot]> havenwood: # => Method (https://eval.in/839543)
<havenwood> &ri Method
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<Genya> Hello. I need some advice on choosing a good web framework
<yana[m]> Pick one
<Genya> I'm experienced full stack developer and wanted to try out Ruby (not Ruby on rails)
<Genya> Could I get your thoughts on pakyow?
<yana[m]> Pick one or you are going to start a war :D
<Genya> Oh
<Genya> Well I just wanted your thoughts on what good and bad about the framework you see.
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<Radar> Phoenix .
<Radar> ?next
<ruby[bot]> Radar: I don't know anything about next
<Radar> ruby[bot]: ....
<Genya> You gonna give me some pointers on the framework? Like why you choose it?
<yana[m]> Rails, because it the only things i ever work on. :D
<Genya> Well that's not helpful at all lol
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<Genya> I could tell more about what I expect from the framework. If that helps
<ineb1> Genya: Roda is another good option
<Genya> Alright. I'm looking into them
<Genya> I am looking for one that more towards front-end and not so much backend. I'm abstracting much of the backend work to mircroservices
<Genya> Huh. Roda Looks good. Is it stable?
<Genya> Phoenix looks good too but I have a feeling too large for how I want to use it
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<Genya> Thanks for the suggestions guys
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<ineb1> Genya: go with roda then, its good
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<ineb1> altough i havent done a large project with it yet. but with sequel (an orm mapper from the same author) which is very good
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<Genya> well the sequel part will be handled in the microservices
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<Genya> gonna use websockets internally to pass data around to those
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<Jakaria_> anyone here?
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<sysvalve> :wave:
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<Jakaria> in this script, `abc` and `xyz` methods are singleton methods?
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<Jakaria> are static methods and single methods are the same things?
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<Jakaria> anyone?
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<merimel> hi
<Jakaria> hi
<Jakaria> can you help me a little bit?
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<Jakaria> in Ruby, is static methods are called singleton methods in a class?
<merimel> just a little, i'm not very experinced
<havenwood> Jakaria: Ask X: X.singleton_methods #=> [:abc, :xyz]
<havenwood> Jakaria: They're usually called "class methods" when called on a class.
<havenwood> Jakaria: `def self.abc` is the same thing as `def X.abc` since `self == X`
<havenwood> merimel: hi!
<Jakaria> oh... I see
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<Haga> hi havenwood
<havenwood> Haga: g'mornin'
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<merimel> I've got a problem too; with psych serialization — for some reazon some of array items in my array won't get in resulting file, only [] gets in, instead of actual data
<Haga> havenwood: does Ruby has faster performance than Python?
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<havenwood> Haga: It depends. Roughly equivalent.
<Haga> ahh...
<merimel> and same thing with json
<havenwood> merimel: Odd. Have a smallish test-case or only reproduced with full code so far?
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<havenwood> merimel: If you have a bit of code that can reproduce, paste us a link.
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<merimel> well it's rough code, and you also need to have some fonts, I can package .tar.gz ro mega.nz
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<catphish> i'm looking at open3, and it appears that when it executes anything it creates a thread, is there a simple equivalent that doesn't do this (but still sets up pipes for stdin and stdout)?
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<catphish> oh, i think one can just create pipes and pass them to Process.spawn
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<apeiros> yeah, spawn is the newer tool in the box and the swiss army knife for all things subprocesses.
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<apeiros> hm, I'm not sure anymore why open3 created a thread. might have to do with $? being thread-local?
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<catphish> i believe it's to automatically collect the exit code and make it available
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<catphish> maybe there's no non-blocking way to collect the exit code otherwise, i'm not sure yet
<apeiros> yes, $? is what contains the exit code
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<apeiros> I think it's more to avoid other calls to open3 overriding states randomly
<apeiros> i.e. open 2 processes and you can't tell which process' exit status you have in $?. but I don't really remember.
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<catphish> $? doesn't really make much sense unless you always spawn exactly one child
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<apeiros> back when o3 was mainly used, it was the only thing you had.
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<catphish> doesn't one always have fork and waitpid?
<apeiros> though, waitpid might have existed too
<apeiros> it's been a long time, damn :D
<catphish> waitpid is blocking though, that may be the reason for the thread
<apeiros> anyway, today: use spawn if you want flexibility. it can do about everything :)
<apeiros> you can do nonblocking waitpid
<apeiros> let me see when I wrote Fork…
<catphish> ah yes, you can, there's a flag
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<apeiros> ok, well, nonblocking waitpid exists for at least 4y, probably more like 6 because I didn't put it on github for ages…
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<catphish> you wrote it?
<apeiros> oh, I used wait2
<catphish> ah, i see :)
<catphish> Process::WNOHANG is what i'd need
<apeiros> :death_notice reminds me of the anime…
<catphish> although, actually it's more complicated than that because i want it to work in an event driven app
<catphish> maybe i should give in and use a thread
<apeiros> o0
<apeiros> why's event driven a problem here?
<apeiros> you can IO.select with a single thread
<apeiros> and iirc EOF triggers select too, so you can collect the exit status on it
<catphish> EOF on what?
<apeiros> when the subprocess dies, it'll be EOF when you read from it
<catphish> the forked process isn't an IO
<catphish> it's a process, unless i'm missing something
<apeiros> oh, you talked about pipes above, so I assumed you were communicating with the child
<apeiros> i.e. upon spawn you'd set up a shared pipe and read/write to/from child
<catphish> i am planning to communicate with it, but there's no guarantee that it doesn't close its STDOUT, but then stay running a while, right?
<apeiros> correct
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<apeiros> so yes, you'd need provisions against that and keep reading the exit status on such cases until it terminates
<catphish> sadly i don't know of any way to do this in an event driven manner, but i'll check
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<apeiros> depends on your design
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<apeiros> if you have something reactory where you have a loop waiting for events you add a timeout to the waiting part (with IO.select trivial, as it's part of the API) and retry collecting exit states there
<catphish> i could just check every 100ms or so
<catphish> tbh i was on the fence about whether to just go with threads on this app anyway, so might do that, then i can just block waiting for the exit code after stdout goes away
<apeiros> also possible
<apeiros> it really depends on what you have and what you need :)
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<catphish> it's a pretty simple server that receives some data from a socket, sends it to a spawned docker, reads back the results and sends them back to the client, there will only be a handful of clients at a time, so threads arent the end of the world
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<apeiros> then I'd say go for it.
<apeiros> it's likely the most convenient design.
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<catphish> thanks :)
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<apeiros> yw, have fun :D
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<merimel> figured out my problem with Psych — it was not Psych, but my use of Array.shift (which acts like ! <bang>)
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* merimel will remember to dup more often
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<adam12> Ah yes. I bet this has bitten many people at one point in time.
<merimel> god bless one who stated that shit acts like slice! in docs
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<merimel> *shift
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<merimel> (sorryn just misstyped, a bit tired)
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<merimel> I wonder now, should I use clone instead of dup
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<merimel> i just want safe solution not affecting anything
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<adam12> merimel: Pretty sure you use dup unless you find it doesn't work for you, which in case you switch to clone
<adam12> merimel: Avdi did a screencast on this exact topic.
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