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<gizmore> are there interfaces in ruby?
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<arahael> gizmore: Yes and no.
<gizmore> i hope there are not
<gizmore> because i dont memorize them
<gizmore> and i did hardcore ruby!
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<arahael> gizmore: This is a really good explaination: https://stackoverflow.com/a/4439733/52273
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<gizmore> nah
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<gizmore> they are using contracts to ensure type safety
<gizmore> right?
<arahael> That's what interfaces are!
<gizmore> yeah
<gizmore> thanks :)
<gizmore> i think php is better than ruby
* arahael doesn't know php.
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<gizmore> because php offers native type hinting by now, even for primitives
<gizmore> adding contract to your ruby app might be tedious
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<gizmore> in php, type hinting is a core feature since 5.4? ... and for primitives since 7.???
<gizmore> i went back to php after excessive ruby hacking
<gizmore> type hinting being one major reason
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<arahael> gizmore: It's pretty trivial to add such a thing. Python has it too now, btw, but very few people use it.
<gizmore> how to have it in ruby?
<gizmore> with contract decorator?
<arahael> Sure. Or raise an error if it's not the right type.
<gizmore> haha
<gizmore> check every arg on every function? ;=
<gizmore> write contract for every function? (haha)
<arahael> Why would you do it for every function?
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<gizmore> because i wanna keep control over everything as much as possible in my programms
<gizmore> every user input seems malicous
<gizmore> EUISM
<arahael> Mere type checking - not at the level php and ruby allows - won't fix that.
<gizmore> its nice to have type safety for free in a script language
<arahael> It's not for free.
<arahael> I note in php, it's a runtime check, and only for a small number of types at that.
<gizmore> yeah... i gotta specify the type
<gizmore> yeah i know
<gizmore> i know php is just fixes patching patched fixes
<gizmore> but the type system is better than in ruby
<gizmore> for me
<arahael> And it's not impossible to implment the same for ruby, say, similar in https://github.com/beezee/ruby_type_hinting
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<gizmore> yeah i know
<arahael> It's just that it's fairly pointless.
<gizmore> lemme smash that link
<gizmore> its not
<gizmore> in php it gives me
<gizmore> 1) Code completion hints
<gizmore> 2) Expcetions on coding errors
<gizmore> 2) is pretty pointless, admitted
<gizmore> but 1) CodeHints ... "GREAT!
<arahael> Any decent IDE or text editor should be able to do that. I don't know much about in ruby, but in python, there are IDE's that give quite good code completion hints and the like.
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<gizmore> in php and ruby its a pita here
<gizmore> i use eclipse only, though
<gizmore> PDT for PHP
<gizmore> Aptana for Ruby
<gizmore> tried jetbrains for ruby... not much better
<arahael> RubyMine? I was about tos uggest that, though I hadn't tried it.
<gizmore> i tried it
<gizmore> dont remember much
<gizmore> i tried the debugger
<arahael> If it's anything like PyCharm, though, you would want to have good code docs that includes the argument types.
<gizmore> because i was devinga cli multithread bot
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<gizmore> and i wanted to try debugger on Redmine
<gizmore> and it sucked
<arahael> Ah well.
<arahael> Whenever I want really good typing, I usually stick with Haskell, C++, or F#.
<gizmore> code completion is non exitant on AptanaStudio maybe... i bet on JetbrainsRedmine it almost is bearable
<arahael> But usually in dynamic languages I lean more on the tests.
<gizmore> i am afraid of C++ taking too long to dev, especially because i wanted runtime code reload (dll reloading),
<gizmore> but my next framework might be c/++
<arahael> C and C++ are quite different languages now.
<gizmore> not really
<arahael> Yes, really.
<gizmore> just put --std=99
<gizmore> kiddings :)
<gizmore> just avoid the class keyword
<gizmore> and disable exceptions
<gizmore> ;)
<gizmore> wanna see a c++ app i made?
<gizmore> yet another brainfuck debugger... needs gtkmm
<gizmore> its the best brainfuck debugger out there
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<gizmore> it adds a new instruction
<gizmore> "B"
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<gizmore> for "Breakpoint"
<gizmore> i wrote it because i couldnt find a brainfuck debugger featuring breakpoints
<arahael> Nah, I'm good.
<gizmore> :D
<gizmore> i wrote a pretty cool chatbot in ruby
<gizmore> but the syntax is so quirky its hard to get the best out of it
<gizmore> its a bit like bash combined with a round robin hydra
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<gizmore> another reason i chose php over ruby again is the toolchain
* Nilium is writing a wrapper around herbstclient in Ruby just because he felt like it.
<gizmore> in ruby i was using active record, and its bloated
<gizmore> in php i was confident enough todo evertyhing on my own... and meanwhile its better than AR
<Nilium> This monologue could use some work.
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<gizmore> how about a small round of codegolf?
<Nilium> Jokes. Slides.
<gizmore> or that,yeah
<Nilium> Maybe an impromptu "I broke my code on stage" moment
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<gizmore|2> [x]`o <--- moves a jokeslide
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<gizmore|2> dont tell the guys at RoR, but i got a solution to all their performance problems
<gizmore|2> it's called hyperglobal instance cache, and the 20 lines commit never got pull requested by me
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<Nilium> Never used Rails.
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<Nilium> Frankly have no interest in it whatsoever.
<gizmore|2> actually it does not have any problems i could solve
<gizmore|2> but my caching system is great
<gizmore|2> it ensures you only operate on one instance of every db row
<gizmore|2> in ruby:
<gizmore|2> db.findId(1).object_id == db.findId(1).object_id # yields true
<gizmore|2> in active record it is false
<gizmore|2> in my patch it is true ... one row, one instance
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<gizmore|2> it has a slight performance overhead, but might safe a bit peak mem
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<havenwood> gizmore: use #equal? to check object_id equality
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<gizmore> havenwood: you dont get it
<gizmore> you know active record?
<havenwood> yup
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<gizmore> i filter every instance fetched from the db
<gizmore> and make sure only 1 instance per row exists
<gizmore> the global object cache
<gizmore> 1 instance per row
<havenwood> gizmore: why on earth couldn't you use #equal?
<gizmore> because i want to manipulate the same instance
<gizmore> to avoid race conditions, reduce memory footprint, and remove complexity
<gizmore> like you do:
<havenwood> gizmore: a.equal?(b) if and only if a is the same object as b
<gizmore> nono
<gizmore> you dont get it
<gizmore> imagine you have a big app
<havenwood> i do
<gizmore> somewhere you do some cache = User.find
<gizmore> then somehwhere else manipulate User.where
<gizmore> the cache user from find is the same intance as returned from the where
<havenwood> this seems solidly in #RubyOnRails land, but go on
<gizmore> like i do:
<gizmore> user = Users.find(1)
<gizmore> user2 = Users.find(1)
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<gizmore> user2.name='foo'
<gizmore> what is user.name?
<havenwood> user2.changes
<havenwood> user.changed?
<havenwood> I don't get your problem. But it's a Rails problem.
<gizmore> with my patch, user is the same instance as user2
<gizmore> because i filter all results through my cache
<gizmore> it is overhead, but fun
<havenwood> rails could have done singletons for each model instance but they didn't
<gizmore> yeah... i made a patch with 20 lines or something
<gizmore> it cost some overhead, but still fun
<havenwood> gizmore: my point was instead of #object_id twice and a ==, just use #equal?
<gizmore> my ruby is a bit rusty meanwhile
<gizmore> i got back to php
<gizmore> after 2 years of ruby hype
<havenwood> some rubyists ruby gets so rusty it becomes rust
<havenwood> rubyist's
<gizmore> ruby seemed slower than php to me
<gizmore> and i dont like the toolchains
<gizmore> i miss the language syntax sometimes :(
<havenwood> maybe you don't like apps booting? also you might be conflating Ruby with Rails.
<gizmore> well... what else is there as activerecord?
<gizmore> activerecord sucks
<havenwood> PHP doesn't boot a server, it defers to non-web languages for that stuff.
<havenwood> gizmore: Sequel is quite nice and very popular.
<havenwood> gizmore: Give Roda and Sequel a try.
<gizmore> should look at those
<gizmore> mine is different in terms of:
<gizmore> 1) I declare table columns in a class method
<gizmore> nothing else features this
<gizmore> look at this
<havenwood> gizmore: You really should look at Sequel. It's one of the best-maintained Ruby gems around.
<havenwood> gizmore: Take a look at Roda/Sequel performance.
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<gizmore> fck
<gizmore> ^ this is my user model
<havenwood> gizmore: Roda + Sequel destroys PHP on Techempower's benchmarks.
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<havenwood> gizmore: It's not as fast as ngx_mruby, but that's another story.
<gizmore> techempower does not even render here
<havenwood> (If you really want speed.)
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<havenwood> gizmore: you might have to click on the background
<havenwood> gizmore: i linked the upcoming Round 15 to be fair to Rails
<gizmore> i allowed scripts now
<havenwood> (Rails just got a better Puma setup.)
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<gizmore> well... i got tested 50 requests just now
<gizmore> per second! :)
<havenwood> gizmore: But take a look at ngx_mruby if you really want speed. Roda and Sequel let you compose a small, fast API or app quickly.
<gizmore> not bad for php
<havenwood> ~400,000 requests per second for ngx_mruby
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<gizmore> cool site
<gizmore> i am at about 10ms here at localhost
<gizmore> on my vserver i am at 20ms
<gizmore> that is a big app already, having lots of modules included (but no data yet)
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<gizmore> timing will surely drop down when there would be data
<gizmore> but not too much, i bet
<gizmore> 400,000 requests for mruby sounds fun... but those numbers are made off numbers
<gizmore> i have seen go server in microseconds too
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<gizmore> but as soon as an idiot adds code, its up to ms
<gizmore> still good bench... let it be 5ms
<gizmore> or 1ms
<gizmore> but in ms
<gizmore> zero allocation router in go is impressive
<gizmore> 10mikroseconds response time is awesome
<gizmore> there is also a go framework present on that site
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<gizmore> wow... 200k requests per second Oo
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<gizmore> i am at 100
<gizmore> i would have been listed :)
<gizmore> make sure you read " i am at onehundred, instead of onehundredthousand" :(
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<gizmore> i am sure my framework performs much better
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<gizmore> dude ... 200,000 requests per second has to be a typo
<gizmore> they surely mean 200.0
<gizmore> :=
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<Logicgate> Engineering question:
<Logicgate> So I have a repository for users, but users have privileges and I'm unsure whether or not the user repository should also handle persisting the privileges
<Logicgate> Or should it be a separate repository altogether
<Logicgate> Could one say the privileges are contextually bounded to the users and it's okay to use the users repository to update a users privileges / retrieving them?
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<qmr> Logicgate: ?
<qmr> programming is not engineering, please do not conflate the two
<qmr> systems administration is also not engineering. nor is tech support.
<Logicgate> I apologize.
<Logicgate> Development concern maybe?
<qmr> sure
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<morfin60> interesting
<morfin60> ruby 2.4.1 was fixed?
<morfin60> i mean that uninitialized variables access and other bad things
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<apeiros> yes, bad things were fixed in ruby 2.4.1
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<hays> is there a way to select and modify in one sweep
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<Vetaxili> Hi all. I'm having an issue when using Faraday to post a csv file. It works if all the 'client' code is within one file, but as soon as I split it I get either *undefined method `strip'* or *Unsupported Media Type* http://rubyfiddle.com/riddles/766ab Any ideas?
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<Vetaxili> I'm having an issue when using Faraday to post a csv file. It works if all the 'client' code is within one file, but as soon as I split it I get either *undefined method `strip'* or *Unsupported Media Type* error http://rubyfiddle.com/riddles/766ab Any ideas?
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<arthurl> hi guys- is it possible to sort a hash in ruby?
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<havenwood> arthurl: What have you tried?
<arthurl> havenwood disclaimer: I'm not a dev (clearly)- but I feel like i've tried everything
<havenwood> arthurl: If you mean sort by key and return another hash instance: sort.to_h
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<havenwood> arthurl: You might want to consider whether Hash is the right data structure if you're sorting.
<havenwood> arthurl: But Hashes are ordered.
<havenwood> So technically you can do what it seems you want to.
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<arthurl> havenwood this is what my code and output looks like thus far
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<arthurl> and here is the aws doc on the structure http://docs.aws.amazon.com/sdkforruby/api/Aws/RDS/DBSnapshot.html
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<arthurl> i'd like to sort by snapshot_create_time so i can get the most recent snapshot
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<havenwood> arthurl: Consider using #min_by and then not turning it back into a Hash: my_hash.db_snapshots.min_by { |db_snapshot| Date.parse db_snapshot.create_time }.last
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<havenwood> arthurl: Is it a standard date format? Avoid Date#parse if you can.
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<arthurl> havenwood according to the AWS docs it's a 'Time' data type
<arthurl> `parse': can't convert Time into String (TypeError)
<havenwood> arthurl: is it iso8601?
<havenwood> arthurl: what does that time string look like?
<havenwood> >> require 'date'; DateTime.iso8601 '2008-09-15T15:53:00' # arthurl
<ruby[bot]> havenwood: # => #<DateTime: 2008-09-15T15:53:00+00:00 ((2454725j,57180s,0n),+0s,2299161j)> (https://eval.in/836242)
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<arthurl> havenwood it looks like '2017-07-18 06:10:49 UTC'
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<havenwood> >> require 'date'; DateTime.strptime '2017-07-18 06:10:49 UTC', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S %Z'
<ruby[bot]> havenwood: # => #<DateTime: 2017-07-18T06:10:49+00:00 ((2457953j,22249s,0n),+0s,2299161j)> (https://eval.in/836243)
<havenwood> arthurl: ^
<havenwood> &ri DateTime.strptime
<arthurl> havenwood i'm not sure what i'm looking at :)
<arthurl> so i take it DateTime.strptime is the format i want
<havenwood> arthurl: the format isn't iso8601, jisx0301, rfc3339, rfc2822 or rfc822 so I put together a format string: '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S %Z'
<havenwood> arthurl: Each %-letter is a directive.
<arthurl> right- i think i'm following- just trying to figure out how to tie it back with 'my_hash.db_snapshots.min_by { |db_snapshot| Date.parse db_snapshot.create_time }.last'
<havenwood> my_hash.db_snapshots.min_by { |db_snapshot| DateTime.strptime db_snapshot.create_time, '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S %Z' }.last
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<arthurl> i was close :)
<arthurl> hmm still seeing '`parse': can't convert Time into String (TypeError)'
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<havenwood> arthurl: seems you're getting back a Time not a String?
<arthurl> havenwood yes sorry- i thought i said that earlier
<havenwood> so it's already a time, what more to do/
<arthurl> 'according to the AWS docs it's a 'Time' data type'
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<arthurl> well it's still not clear to me on how i go about sorting it
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<arthurl> my_hash.db_snapshots.min_by { |db_snapshot| Time db_snapshot.create_time }.last gives the same error
<havenwood> arthurl: my_hash.db_snapshots.min_by(&:create_time).last
<arthurl> hmm
<arthurl> undefined method `last' for #<Aws::RDS::Types::DBSnapshot:0x007fe7cb3f3ff8> (NoMethodError)
<arthurl> trying 'p my_hash.db_snapshots.min_by(&:snapshot_create_time).last'
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<havenwood> arthurl: my_hash.db_snapshots.min_by(&:snapshot_create_time)
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<havenwood> arthurl: I thought you'd said it was a Hash, so I was expecting a tuple to be returned. So no #last.
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<arthurl> havenwood well i'm storing the response in a hash?
<arthurl> okay so 'p my_hash.db_snapshots.min_by(&:snapshot_create_time)' gives me the OLDEST
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<arthurl> awesome
<arthurl> max_by
<arthurl> gives me what i need
<havenwood> arthurl: It'd help get answers quicker if you extract a simple testcase example.
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<arthurl> i understand
<havenwood> arthurl: happy coding!
<arthurl> that's easier said than done for someone like me :)
<arthurl> i appreciate your help sir
<havenwood> you're welcome
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<Tohuw> gsub! will modify the string in place, whereas gsub will create a new string, correct?
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<al2o3-cr> Tohuw: correct
<Tohuw> al2o3-cr thanks! Playing around with it a few minutes helped me understand why what I originally wanted to do wouldn't work.
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