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<ddwagnz>
k nvm got autoconf updated XD
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<untitaker>
Hello, I'm relatively new to Ruby but not new to programming in general. I've just submitted my first PR to rubocop, but I think I have a communication problem with the core maintainer that might be due to me still using the wrong terminology for some basic concepts. Does anybody have a clue? https://github.com/bbatsov/rubocop/pull/5513
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<mikhael_k33hl>
Tried trapping the KILL signal via trap(:KILL) but it's giving me an error `trap': Invalid argument - SIGKILL (Errno::EINVAL)
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<bawNg>
mikhael_k33hl: you can't trap KILL, it forces a process to terminate immediately without time for any interrupts to be processed
<mikhael_k33hl>
bawNg: Oh, I see
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<nchambers>
do classes have something like #send except for class variables? I'm dynamically loading certain ruby classes, and I want to test if the class has a certain class variable, and if it exists get the value of it
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<al2o3-cr1>
nchambers: class_variable_defined? and class_variable_get
<nchambers>
ty
<al2o3-cr1>
yw
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<alpine>
I have question on ssl authenication in ruby, let me know if i should go to a different channel
<alpine>
im using rest-client to access ssl api, not having any luck
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<hays_>
this is a bit OT but im curious if anyone has opinions on a modern language that is in a similar efficiency class as C ? I've been poking around at Rust and maybe D as possibilities
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<leitz>
hays_, I'm looking at Go. Well, casting glances at it, Ruby is still more fun for me.
<leitz>
My slogan for Ruby is "Having fun getting things done!"
<hays_>
yeah ruby is a lot of fun
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<leitz>
Even when it's frustrating. ;)
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<hays_>
Go is interesting, but not quite as fast as C.. maybe 1x-5x slower
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<hays_>
I kinda like Rust ideas but the syntax annoys me a bit
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<leitz>
Agreed. I'm more for Go as I think leaning into it as an almost early adopter will help. I think it has a better chance of displacing Java and .Net than others.
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<hays_>
for sure.. with kubernetes written in Go.. that's a big deal i think
<havenwood>
hays_: Crystal
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<hays_>
wow, interesting
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<leitz>
I'm not overly fond of Ruby's "do...end" syntax.
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<WA9ACE>
you could always use brackets in place of do end
<WA9ACE>
but those tend to be reserved for 1-3 liners
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<leitz>
WA9ACE, I will probably head to brackets down the road. While not a totally Ruby Newbie I'm only about half a step up. Plan is to work Ruby in 2018 and maybe find a project to join. Would use the project's conventions and most seem to prefer the "do..end".
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<leitz>
Otherwise near the end of the year I'll either convert to bracets or maybe Go for something new. :)
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<leitz>
Ugh...1 file, 47 Roffenses.
<leitz>
Rubocop Offenses
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<hays_>
my advice to you is to conform to the generally accepted style norms
<hays_>
it will help you collaborate
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<leitz>
If I collaborate, I agree. If I'm the only coder, and I see to be on my stuff, then I can do what looks best for me.
<leitz>
I really dislike multi-levels of "end...end...end...end" and prefer the highlighting vim usually gets right.
<hays_>
in cases like that i consider refactoring
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<hays_>
inasmuch as aesthetics influence design, even in something like a programming language
<hays_>
my coding style has changed quite a bit just in the embrace of parenthesis omission
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<leitz>
Mine changed for the better after spending time with python. i like the whitespace.
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<leitz>
47 offences to 1 that I agree with but don't have a good plan for yet.
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<lavamind>
hello! I'd like to pass a list of arguments to a rake task, that includes one argument that need to be Nil
<riceandbeans>
other than being less likely to accidential interpolation, is there a performance benefit at all to using '' instead of ""?
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<leitz>
Rubocop whines, but that seems to be about it.
<WA9ACE>
I know back around ruby 1.8 and 1.9 there was definitely a reason to use single quotes over double
<WA9ACE>
lemme go try to find the article about the string change
<lavamind>
the task is set up to read arguments as task :mytask :param1 :param2 do |t, args|, I know how to specify arguments on the command line but how to pass something in :param2 while leaving :param1 nil?
<apeiros>
I doubt that. single vs. double is a once-per-compilation difference. and even then the diff is mostly academic.
<apeiros>
personally with race-conditional stuff I prefer rescue over testing
<leitz>
The rand is a part of the return, it gives a measure of how much that plot is affecting that individual.
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<apeiros>
race condition being: 1) File.exist? -> true, 2) something outside your process deletes the file, 3) your try to open it fails despite your check
<leitz>
Ah, got it.
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<apeiros>
and you can always perform tests in the rescue to provide better diagnostics for your users
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<leitz>
So the second method, with the begin/rescue, is a bit more race robust?
<apeiros>
no. unrelated things.
<apeiros>
one is about being able to leave away begin/end due methods already having it
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<apeiros>
the other is about using begin/rescue over exist? checks because they don't always protect you
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<apeiros>
oh, sorry, you meant your code
<apeiros>
I thought you were referring to my gist :D
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<leitz>
Hehe...
<apeiros>
yes, I'd prefer the way your second method handles it. though since your second method doesn't actually handle it, I'd just leave the check away entirely.
<apeiros>
also, your first method doesn't really handle it either
<leitz>
In theory I'm moving towards more expressive error messages and more robust checking.
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<leitz>
Not moving too fast, though.
<apeiros>
you have to think about where in your code you are actually able to deal with that problem
<apeiros>
otherwise you just create new ones on the way up
<apeiros>
as in `array_from_file`, where you don't execute any code to set new_array, which you try to return. ruby might initialize it with nil, or it might consider it an undefined variable…
<leitz>
Putting it in these methods seems best since they are called from multiple places. The non-error code generated a nil array which said nothing about the file not being there.
<apeiros>
in the former case - can all code calling array_from_file handle a nil return value? is it wise requiring all methods calling array_from_file to be able to handle a nil value?
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<apeiros>
ok, so your rationale was "then I only have to handle it in a single place", but again, can that single place actually handle it in a way that you can move on? (or abort the program?)
<apeiros>
as in: once get_random_line_from_file handled the exception, can the code calling get_random_line_from_file continue?
<apeiros>
mind you, those things are not easy. so don't worry if you struggle with it.
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<leitz>
The code should fail if it cannot execute those methods. I had safety nets in before then realized the code was failing and I didn't know because the safety net caught it every time.
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<leitz>
Time for a break.
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