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<havenwood>
dorian: Nope, unrelated.
<havenwood>
dorian: The @@foo class variables are one of the parts of the language Matz regrets adding, iir. It's usually not a good idea to create them and one seldom uses them.
<havenwood>
dorian: Global and class variables are to be used, but not defined. :P
<havenwood>
And seldom used.
<havenwood>
dorian: @foo instance variables are pervasive and important.
<havenwood>
dorian: Don't spend much time on @@ unless it's to understand legacy code.
<havenwood>
dorian: It's a reasonable question, but class variables aren't related to instance variables like that.
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<dminuoso>
Hiya. extconf is being weird.
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<dminuoso>
I have the following bundler config for build.ruby-oci8: Set for the current user (/home/dminuoso/.bundle/config): "--with-instant-client-dir=/nix/store/x9djqdr5gd3kxglc49s8vd1kdj72vh2h-oracle-instantclient-19.3.0.0.0 --with-instant-client-include=/nix/store/13z38bvrcj2i8m1qy3d3z0ldbxrb8hrx-oracle-instantclient-19.3.0.0.0-dev
<dminuoso>
Now, dir_config('instant-client') in ruby-oci8 gives me ["/nix/store/13z38bvrcj2i8m1qy3d3z0ldbxrb8hrx-oracle-instantclient-19.3.0.0.0-dev:/nix/store/13z38bvrcj2i8m1qy3d3z0ldbxrb8hrx-oracle-instantclient-19.3.0.0.0-dev:/nix/store/x9djqdr5gd3kxglc49s8vd1kdj72vh2h-oracle-instantclient-19.3.0.0.0/include",
<dminuoso>
What the heck is going on here? why is dir_config giving me this array here?
<dminuoso>
Or rather, why is dir_config constructing an ld path of multiple things separated by a colon?
<dminuoso>
Is it supposed to do that? Lack of documentation is mildly annoying.
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<dorian>
havenwood: so i understand `class << self` as enabling writing class methods without always writing `def self.whatever`
<dorian>
havenwood: so if i see `class << self; def hurr; @durr = 'value'; end; end`
<dorian>
where does `@durr` live?
<jhass>
dorian: in something called the singleton class of the class object pointed to by self. So first you need to understand that in Ruby, classes are not super special, they're just objects too! So doing class Foo; end; is essentially the same as doing Foo = Class.new do; end;. The next piece is that every object has a so called singleton class. That's a class unique to that object and implicitly
<jhass>
inserted below its actual class. So x = "foo"; x.singleton_class returns a class that's unique to x and inherits string. And classes being just objects themselves have such a singleton class too! when you do class << object, you're opening that singleton class. So that's where @durr lives
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<deargod>
Kiora
<dorian>
okay so what's the difference between a singleton and a class
<deargod>
Dear GOD/GODS and/or anyone else who can HELP ME (e.g. MEMBERS OF SUPER-INTELLIGENT ALIEN CIVILIZATIONS): The next time I wake up, please change my physical form to that of FINN MCMILLAN of SOUTH NEW BRIGHTON at 8 YEARS OLD and keep it that way FOREVER. I am so sick of this chubby Asian man body! Thank you! - CHAUL JHIN KIM (a.k.a. A DESPERATE
<deargod>
SOUL)
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<leftylink>
&>> class A; class << self; puts "am I the singleton class of A? #{self == A.singleton_class}" end end
<rubydoc>
# => am I the singleton class of A? true... check link for more (https://carc.in/#/r/99rj)
<leftylink>
hooray
<jhass>
dorian: "singleton class", not singleton is another, broader concept in programming :) The only major difference is that a singleton class will only ever have on instance, where a class usually has many
<jhass>
the second major difference is that Ruby defines the singleton class implicitly for you, a class always needs to be defined explicitly by you
<dorian>
i mean, a class variable @@whatever versus an instance variable @whatever in a singleton class
<jhass>
ah!
<jhass>
class variables have the weird property in ruby that they're shared with any children classes
<jhass>
which is often unexpected and leading to subtle bugs
<dorian>
like i'm trying to modify some code that does the class << self thing
<dorian>
it references @some_variable in that singleton class construct
<dorian>
i just want to make sure i don't screw it up
<jhass>
just don't use a @@class_var ever then :P
<dorian>
yeah that's fine
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<jhass>
I haven't really seen valid usecases for htem
<dorian>
i mean i'm not opinionated about it
<dorian>
just trying to understand what i'm looking at
<dorian>
okay so @@variable is not the same as class << self; @variable; end
<dorian>
i saw that much
<dorian>
even though methods defined in that context are the same as class methods?
<dorian>
or should i understand those differently too
<leftylink>
you know what
<leftylink>
I actually can't figure what you're supposed to do with class << self; @var end
<leftylink>
&>> class A; @a = 5; class << self; @b = 6; attr_reader :a, :b end end; [A.a, A.b]
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<leftylink>
you gotta have the attr reader in the right place
<leftylink>
of course of course
<leftylink>
well uh that makes sense
<leftylink>
so I guess I learned that today
<leftylink>
thanks
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<jhass>
dorian: while there's something called class variables, there actually technically isn't something called class methods. def some_object.foo; end; and class << some_object; def foo; end; end; are entirely equivalent and do the exact same thing
<jhass>
you just rarely see somebody doing hello = "my_string"; def hello.something_just_on_this_instance_of_string; end;
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<jhass>
(or class << hello; def something_just_on_this_instance_of_string; end; end; again, same thing happening in both variants)
<jhass>
so likewise, class Foo; def self.bar; end; end;, class Foo; def Foo.bar; end; end;, class Foo; end; class << Foo; def bar; end; end; and class Foo; class << self; def bar; end; end; are all entirely equivalent
<jhass>
Nerium: only in Crystal :D If it's just one level deep, Array#fetch/Hash#fetch
<Nerium>
jhass It's at least one level :/
<jhass>
I meman you could always chain fetches
<Nerium>
I added this locally `args.reduce(self) { |acc, arg| acc.fetch(arg) }`
<Nerium>
Was hoping for an existing method, but this does also work ツ
<jhass>
ignorand: btw if you can by any means, don't inerpolate SQL, use parameter binding (how exactly depends on your DB, DB client, possibly ORM)
<jhass>
it's just much safer, easier and saner
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<ignorand>
jhass: I'm going to ask google to translate what you just said :P
<jhass>
ignorand: don't do "INSERT ... VALUES (#{foo})", do .exec("INSERT ... VALUES ($1)", foo). Pseudo code, how that looks exactly depends on your DB, DB client and possibly ORM if any
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<ignorand>
jhass: well, I'm kinda trying to clean up the database as well
<jhass>
plus if you insert many of the same items, which I guess you do importing some json, if you prepare outside the loop and just execute the prepared statement in the loop it'll be much faster too
<ignorand>
jhass: the loop is already running for an hour now. I'm @ 1939. so only 90 years to go :)
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<jhass>
heh
<jhass>
another thing that can help a lot is wrapping the entire loop into a transaction
<jhass>
some db clients also support batch insert, so preparing one insert statement and running a single execute with many values per column
<ignorand>
jhass: pg gem supports it
<ignorand>
Gonna try and do this for my second batch while the first batch runs
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<devjangra>
Hello guys,
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<adam12>
devjangra: Hello!
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* havenwood
demands to know what follows the comma
<devjangra>
i am trying to install ruby 2.2.10 in latest mac, with openssl 1.0.2t. ( I know this is old version ) but need this for project, I am not able to configure the ruby from source code, as it is always missing the openssl path Command tried :- ./configure --prefix="$HOME/.rubies/ruby-2.2.10" --with-opt-dir="$(brew --prefix readline):$(brew
<havenwood>
devjangra: With a Ruby that old, it's typically easier in a VM that matches the ancient date.
<havenwood>
devjangra: Patches aren't backported to keep old Rubies working with modern libraries.
<devjangra>
havenwood Yeah, but only openssl path is missing from source ccpflags
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<havenwood>
devjangra: OpenSSL tends to be a breaking point.
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<devjangra>
havenwood I understand the point, but is there a way to make this work, as i already have the 1.0.2 openssl installed at specific path. Need a way to include that while configuring ruby
<devjangra>
But while doing make, the error Ignore OpenSSL broken by Apple.Please use another openssl. (e.g. using `configure --with-openssl-dir=/path/to/openssl')Failed to configure openssl. It will not be installed.
<devjangra>
havenwood
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<havenwood>
devjangra: And /usr/local/opt/openssl exists as expected?
<havenwood>
devjangra: I don't see a reason for it to not work.
<devjangra>
havenwood Yeah, openssl is present
<havenwood>
devjangra: I'd just spin up a bit dated VM from around 2014.
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<havenwood>
devjangra: On this machine, for example, no problem with: --with-openssl-dir=/usr/local/opt/openssl@1.1
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<devjangra>
havenwood Going with VM will be optimal but would like to install the 2.2.10
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<leitz>
A question for those who are "in" on the hiring process. Is it worth X years of experience for an applicant to have their own open source projects, compared to someone who has more "years in the field" but does not have their own projects?
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<apotheon>
leitz: "it depends"
<apotheon>
(I'm not really "in" on the hiring process, but I've seen enough of it to know it's all broken.)
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<leitz>
apotheon, yeah, when I've been involved, we guessed as best we could. I'm trying to gear up for my next tranistion, and see if I can keep moving forward as a programmer.
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<CommunistWolf>
leitz: when I'm making hiring decisions I try to disregard what candidates have done in the past, and focus on measures of how the candidate performed in the application process. but it's quite rare
<CommunistWolf>
in general, there isn't a quantitative way of comparing different types of history
<leitz>
CommunistWolf, understood, and thanks. It's a wonky process. Just trying to raise my odds. :)
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<CommunistWolf>
your best bet is to heavily personalise for the position and people you're directing your application to, and the role itself. your CV/resume probably won't get read by a human, but your covering letter might, so I'd focus on that
<apotheon>
There's too much focus on the quantitative in most hiring processes, anyway.
<CommunistWolf>
if you can find out who wil be evaluating you and do some research on them before you even send in the application, that'll bump your odds significantly
<apotheon>
Quantitative measures are only useful to the degree they serve the qualitative, and most quantitative factors in hiring lose their qualitative value quickly.
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<apotheon>
Research is only really warranted if you're dead set on getting a specific job, or very specific type of job with few open positions.
<apotheon>
Otherwise, just spray-and-pray (aka "use the dandelion strategy").
<leitz>
My concern is representing my skill honestly, and still getting a decent pay scale. I moved laterally from a related career, there are lots of things I don't know (OO Analysis and Design, Algorithms spring to mind).
<apotheon>
leitz: That's a very big concern, and I sympathize. It's much more difficult to get a job by being honest, and most people don't even value that level of honesty.
<apotheon>
Across most industries, the hiring processes are largely (and perhaps accidentally) optimized for helping dishonest people get ahead.
<leitz>
apotheon, yeah. I won't argue that. Still, I'm too honest to even try to be shady. I stutter more, my face turns red, and I can't make eye contact. :)
<apotheon>
I could probably lie my ass off with a straight face, but I don't. I hate the very idea of it.
<apotheon>
I'm so preoccupied with not saying untrue things that I think my statements are typically littered with qualifiers and hedging.
<apotheon>
Note "probably", "not saying untrue things", "I think", "typically", and so on.
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<leitz>
CommunistWolf, my brain was distracted. Can you describe, at a high level, some of the things you do in an interview to judger performance?
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<havenwood>
leitz: There isn't a single right way. Folk do tend to hire others like themselves.
<havenwood>
leitz: They want whatever they've done.
<havenwood>
(Not speaking for CommunistWolf, obvs, just generally.)
<Dirak>
maybe it's changed because of the virus, but anyone who has a pulse should be able to land interviews. As long as you kill the technical interview you'll pretty much always get the offer
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<leitz>
Dirak, that's part of my challenge; I haven't done a lot of technical interview things. And I'm a very slow...errr...methodical, coder.
<leitz>
I come from a Linux background, though, so some places might look at me as a resource that can be trained.
<Dirak>
dont worry you don't need interpersonal skills to pass interviews. Just be able to code really well
<leitz>
Yeah, I can do interpersonal better than code; spent time in Toastmasters. :)
<Dirak>
and I code I mean be able to crush any leetcode problem
<Dirak>
by*
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<leitz>
Nice. Something to push my skills up with.
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<leitz>
Sort of like code wars, but it looks like a newer/less implemented thing.
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<leitz>
Okay, I like the leetcode stuff. Will start off with the easy and make it a daily habit.
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<leitz>
havenwood, that's encouraging. I'm doing stuff I love to do, and I tell new coders that picking a language they enjoy and a problem set they want to tackle will help them become better coders than those who look for the perfect language and the best paying job.
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<leitz>
havenwood, my advice to new coders will get them past the first big hurdle. Now I'm trying to figure out how to get past the next one. :)
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