<indirect>
drbrain: no, bundler does not automatically include itself in a lockfile, but since eg Rails depends on bundler, it is in most lockfiles
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<ddd>
indirect: what is the purpose of that? Correct me if my chain is wrong. You need bundler to read the Gemfile and install (unless you write your own script to do so.) any gems listed. Since you already have bundler installed, what's the purpose of bundler including itself in the Gemfile since bundler can read even older Gemfiles. (Not arguing or anything, genuinely curious as to the purpose)
<indirect>
ddd: I just said that bundler doesn't include itself?
<ddd>
seems like the cart before the horse or chicken and the egg
<ddd>
no I meant in the lockfile
<ddd>
whats the purpose of bundler being in the lockfile
<ddd>
if i should 'get' this, i apologize in advance. i just don't
<indirect>
I'm not even sure what the question is
<indirect>
are you saying that you think we should have written code to explicitly drop bundler from the list of gems rails says it depends on?
<indirect>
like, rails says it depends on bundler (and it does, rails new runs bundle install)
<indirect>
bundler, in the lockfile, lists the dependencies of the gems
<indirect>
including that rails says it needs bundler
<indirect>
why would we go out of our way to remove it from the lockfile? :/
<ddd>
ok, you reminded me of rails running bundler. that explains it. I was wondering why it was listed at all in the lockfile.
<ddd>
indirect: wacky question to you, i realize. and sorry for that. you explained what i was wondering just didn't seem able to word it right to make sense.
<indirect>
haha no worries
<indirect>
just trying to explain
<indirect>
like, we would have had to add special code to get rid of it
<indirect>
and there is no special code that adds it
<indirect>
so it seems fine to me
<ddd>
yeah, wasn't arguing *against* it perse. was trying to figure out why it was there in the first place (in lock but not Gemfile directly)
<ddd>
makes perfect sense once you reminded me rails automatically does a bundle install
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drbrain: there?
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