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<azonenberg> Tested two more probes, also good. Definitely more ripple than I'd like around 3 GHz, need to investigate that more thoroughly
<azonenberg> So yield is actually not looking too bad
<azonenberg> 7 of 10 good so far
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<azonenberg> Oook so final yield: 12 good, 8 bad, 2 untested (on the NIC) right now. Of the "good" ones there's also a few that i'm not thrilled about due to weird peaks, but they meet the 6 GHz BW target
<azonenberg> Pico wanted a quick demo video of glscopeclient with the PicoScope 6000 for some internal event
<azonenberg> I abbreviated things a lot, but the driver isn't super complete and i didn't want to show off the rough edges either :p
<azonenberg> monochroma, miek: look how fast the update rate is :D
<azonenberg> starting out that's about 11 WFM/s with *eight channels at a million points*
<azonenberg> That's 88 Msps at 16 bit on-the-wire resolution (actual significant bits ranges from 8 to 12 depending on configuration)
<azonenberg> Or 1.4 Gbps of waveform data :D
<d1b2> <Hardkrash> That's fantastic!
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<monochroma> nice!
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<azonenberg> Yeah i cant wait for pico to come out with higher BW models etc
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<LeoBodnar> ooh, nice link, thank you
<bvernoux> Hellp
<bvernoux> Hello
<azonenberg> o/ bvernoux
<bvernoux> It seems Rigol Engineer are working on a new firmware for MSO5xxx
<azonenberg> Nice
<bvernoux> to improve SCPI ;)
<azonenberg> I just got confirmation from the dealer that my scope is shipping monday
<LeoBodnar> is this Eric Bogatin's piece? Eric talked to me about this some time ago, he said he uses it in his classes and wanted a bit more background about how it came to be
<bvernoux> They shall share news soon
<azonenberg> LeoBodnar: I don't know if he wrote that particular article but he does a lot of signal integrity educational content for LeCroy
<bvernoux> They have clearly see the different issues with my detailed test with results on different SCPI commands
<azonenberg> so i'm sure he had a hand in it
<azonenberg> I'm excited to try your SMA pulse gen with my new scope when it comes in
<LeoBodnar> he's their signal integrity tsar - if I remember right
<azonenberg> Yeah
<bvernoux> LeoBodnar, I have used your amazing SMA puls gen (the 2.92mm version) on my Rigol MSO5074 ;)
<azonenberg> I wanna see if my SDA 816Zi can accurately measure the ~30ps rise time of the SMA version
<bvernoux> The bandwidth is amazing (with unlocked scope)
<LeoBodnar> :) cool, thanks
<azonenberg> What's the BW of the scope you use during manufacturing test?
<azonenberg> iirc it was a tek CSA of some sort
<bvernoux> LeoBodnar, Your pulse gen just confirmed what I have measured with my RGSigGen (max freq -3dB)
<bvernoux> With FallTime of 700ps & RiseTime of 690ps
<bvernoux> So more than 550MHz BW
<bvernoux> for a 1Keuros oscilloscope it is very nice ;)
<bvernoux> shall be good enough to validate USB HS 480Mbps with eye diagram
<bvernoux> But it requires special probes for that as default probe are limited to 350MHz or max 400MHz
<azonenberg> bvernoux: have you tried hacking up 50 ohm feedthrough terminations and using transmission line probes with it yet?
<azonenberg> The AKL-PT2 should be available for sale in the next few weeks
<bvernoux> I shall test with my DC/1GHz adaptor
<bvernoux> and my RF Probe to see ;)
<bvernoux> Will do the test this evening with my RF sig Gen to check if I can recover >500MHz
<bvernoux> I need to finish my transmission line test board also need to populate the SMA "26.5GHz"
<bvernoux> On the OSHPark 6 layers test batch
<azonenberg> Nice
<azonenberg> That reminds me i need to make another test fixture for the AKL-PT2
<azonenberg> my current ones are wearing out and i want to make a few tweaks to make them easier to solder to
<bvernoux> yes i have seen the details on Twitter
<bvernoux> it is not easy to have reproducible soldering/mount of SMA... especially to have flat response up to 6GHz+
<bvernoux> the SMA connector you are using (pratically identical to mine) does not help ...
<azonenberg> Yeah. But for something "disposable" like a solder-in probe i feel like using a high grade connector is a bad idea
<bvernoux> So it is tricky to solder them perfectly with a good yield
<azonenberg> i guess i could explore using a compression mount one
<bvernoux> especially when we want signal to be very good to more than 6GHz
<azonenberg> and yeah at this point what i want to do is understand the variation better
<bvernoux> yes for disposable probe it is maybe too much to use such SMA
<azonenberg> Any of these probes would work fine for passing digital data or narrowband RF, etc
<azonenberg> The trick is super flat response
<bvernoux> yes
<bvernoux> A very nice things will be to build passive probe (up to 6GHz+) which can be connected to PCBite ;)
<bvernoux> Will be a must have
<bvernoux> Anyway I'm not sure they could reach 6GHz when not soldered to probe circuit ...
<azonenberg> I actually already have a PCBite probe design that works well to about 3 GHz then peaks a bit. Similar problem to the AKL-PT1
<azonenberg> needs more tweaking before it will be usable
<azonenberg> I'd love to build an active diff probe for the system but that will be seriously challenging
<bvernoux> it is very good if it is stable up to 3GHz just with "pogo pin" and without the need to solder it
<azonenberg> WRT variable tip spacing
<azonenberg> Good grounding is one of the things i am still working on. but that's the plan
<bvernoux> yes good grounding + good center pin contact
<azonenberg> anyway it's a work in progress, i want to get the AKL-PT2 launched and ready for orders before i spend toooo much time on other probe designs
<bvernoux> to work fine from DC to 3GHz+
<bvernoux> with PCBite ;)
<_whitenotifier-4> [scopehal-apps] sfmth opened issue #309: Creating an AUR package for this repository - https://git.io/JmX5F
<azonenberg> And before I do a PCBite differential probe I want to get a working normal one
<azonenberg> I think what I might do is shelve the solder-in diff probe for a little while and try to make a handheld one first
<azonenberg> that will avoid the long "tail" which has been such an EMI problem
<azonenberg> But the mechanical engineering for that will be decidedly nontrivial
<azonenberg> I think I might try to hack up a flex-rigid combo at oshpark for that probe
<_whitenotifier-4> [scopehal-apps] azonenberg commented on issue #309: Creating an AUR package for this repository - https://git.io/JmXNw
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