16:48 <emailmustdye> stellar markets itself as a financial platform, but that is demeaning to what the SCP can/will do!

16:50 <emailmustdye> this type of algorithm will come to replace all the centralized bits of the network

16:50 <emailmustdye> for exemple, I went on this slack thingy to come and discuss this issue, but they want a fucking email!

16:52 <stellar-slack> <jed> yeah got to start somewhere though

16:52 <emailmustdye> if we can build a trusted world state, then this is bigger than the discovery of fire

16:52 <emailmustdye> it means we have crystalised the world mind

16:53 <emailmustdye> I understand

16:53 <emailmustdye> but building it as a general platform would attract all sorts of devs

16:54 <emailmustdye> I tried to bring stellar to the attention of a bunch of different projects, and a lot of them said; its a financial platform! That's got nothing to do with our project!

16:54 <stellar-slack> <jed> the SCP part is pretty modular it would be easy to take it out and use it to agree about something else

16:55 <emailmustdye> so what happens to the proof-of-stake then?

16:55 <emailmustdye> does it remain with one central project?

16:55 <emailmustdye> that seems to be the central issue

16:56 <emailmustdye> because one big network is stronger and modular than lots of small ones

16:56 <emailmustdye> more* modular

16:58 <stellar-slack> <eva> @emailmustdye I think this comes down to the difference between the Stellar network (open for all, many purposes) and http://Stellar.org|Stellar.org the nonprofit, whose goal is financial access for all, specifically.

16:58 <stellar-slack> <eva> Anyone would be welcome to build onto the network with any number of projects, but http://Stellar.org|Stellar.org’s main focus will always be financial inclusion.

16:58 <emailmustdye> im not talking about politics, this is purely technical

16:59 <emailmustdye> if the stellar-core is very modular, then it doesnt have to use financial terms all over the place

16:59 <emailmustdye> not that it matters so much ...

17:00 <emailmustdye> so if it's only specialised in name, then thigns are going well

17:00 <stellar-slack> <eva> I’m not talking politics either :) Just explaining that our efforts are going to be informed by this social mission (of financial inclusion), not necessarily every technical application. Again, anyone is welcome to use SCP or the network for non-financial projects - that’s great! But we’re a small team, so our efforts are going to be quite focused.

17:00 <emailmustdye> if not, then there will have to be a readjustment down the road

17:01 <emailmustdye> and for stellar's financial to really grow, people will need more secore communication. so this might be the cart before the horse

17:02 <emailmustdye> stellar's financial side

17:03 <emailmustdye> otherwise communications about stellar financial dealings will be interecepted (because people use email, sms, etc) and people will be killed, etc for daring to use stellar

17:04 <emailmustdye> you certainly understand that capital controls are going to be extremely severe, and the use of stellar as a way to move money will be outlawed pretty much everywhere

17:05 <emailmustdye> Im sure you guys understand more than I think is appropriate to discuss here in a public channel

17:06 <emailmustdye> the only reason stellar's devs are still walking free is because the wrong people havent understood what it is

17:06 <emailmustdye> so if I were stellar's devs, I would very much want SCP to be usable as a communication platform

17:06 <emailmustdye> it would be good for my very survival

17:08 <emailmustdye> I must say; I raise my hat to all of them- they have balls

17:08 <emailmustdye> no feminist punt intended

17:08 <emailmustdye> or whatever, you know

17:09 <emailmustdye> courage

17:10 <emailmustdye> the way I see it; all the secure coms. projects like signal, tox, ricochet, etc- are all dead ends, given that SCP has already been 'discovered'

17:12 <stellar-slack> <eva> @emailmustdye I hear you - I think everyone here agrees that strong crypto for communication is very important. We’ll still be focused on getting financial institutions to integrate with the Stellar network, as we feel that’s the best way forward to fuller financial access. If you’re interested in using SCP for a communications network, feel free to ask any technical questions you might have. :)

17:15 <emailmustdye> what financial institions? They are pretty much non-existent. Banks have been illegal since around the great war, the few private partnerships that still remained at the turn of the 20th century are almost all gone now. Nowadars it's almost against the law to have money. I dont see any financial institutions to speak of- only ponzis that are running on the last 2% of assets

17:16 <emailmustdye> DB, JPM, HSBC - if that's who you meant, those things are abour to be put under- and stellar can push them into bankruptcy even faster

17:17 <emailmustdye> stellar doesnt need to integrate with financial institutions- stellar is the pretty much the only sound financial system there is

17:18 <emailmustdye> all you need is an android and ios app- done

17:18 <emailmustdye> then stellar can put every corporate bank out of business

17:18 <emailmustdye> they're already insolvent

17:20 <emailmustdye> corporations, by the nature of the LLC, will not be interested in stellar- they will lobby to regulate and outlaw it out of existence

17:21 <emailmustdye> beside, incorporations and limited liability are both frauds, so why deal with fraudsters?

17:22 <emailmustdye> only people are people, and liability cannot be 'limited'

17:25 <emailmustdye> if you ran a fraud- call it 'societe generale', and someone came along with an idea that would expose insolvency of any debtor with minutes, would you be interested in promoting that idea?

17:27 <emailmustdye> stellar means that anyone can compete against all of the world's banking monopolies (central banks), so of course it will be made against the law!

17:28 <emailmustdye> unless stellar pulls another ripple

17:31 <emailmustdye> by the way, I'm all for it- destroy the ponzi!

17:33 <emailmustdye> and Id love to play with stellar, maybe work on a project myself, by as you might have guessed, im no facebook fan. Could I get some lumens some other way> I could help for lumens.

17:36 <stellar-slack> <eva> If you’re interested in helping promote or develop stellar apps, there are a few community-built mobile apps already: Centuarus (Android, open source) and Lobstr (all platforms) https://lobstr.co/ https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.xcoins.centaurus https://github.com/TbLtzk/Centaurus

17:36 <stellar-slack> <eva> The giveaway is actually currently paused; we’re working on an improved giveaway program :) But you’re welcome to purchase lumens at any exchange (known markets here: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/stellar/#markets

17:37 <emailmustdye> I actually want to work on using stellar to communicate

17:37 <emailmustdye> I saw a go library, go would work for me

17:38 <emailmustdye> this might end up bringing stellar the most users intially

17:38 <stellar-slack> <eva> Oh great! yeah, feel free to ask if you run into any questions - #stellar-dev on IRC is the best place to ask specific technical questions.

17:38 <emailmustdye> sure

17:38 <emailmustdye> thanks eva

17:39 <stellar-slack> <eva> sure, no problem :)

17:43 <emailmustdye> when they start to badmouth stellar on the media, terrorist and criminal and all, you guys should just run- thats my 2 cents

17:43 <emailmustdye> good luck