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<rqou> azonenberg you actually use stencils?
<rqou> btw is anybody here willing to help infect my yavhdl project with a "real" build system?
<rqou> it currently operates on the "f*ck it" build system
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<azonenberg> rqou: you kidding? i use stencils for everything
<azonenberg> ever tried making a board full of QFNs and 0402 passives without one?
<rqou> i've always done everything by hand
<rqou> i've done QFN by hand but never done BGA
<azonenberg> stencils make everything massively easier
<azonenberg> i can, but choose not to, do bga without a stencil
<azonenberg> just a q-tip, flux, and oven or hot air
<rqou> i've always found dealing with solder paste to be expensive and messy
<azonenberg> expensive??? it's like $10 for syringe that lasts dozens of boards
<cr1901_modern> You also need a fridge :)
<rqou> doesn't it need refrigerated shipping?
<azonenberg> In theory
<cr1901_modern> I'm too cheapass to do the toaster oven thing... but yes, 0402 by hand takes a while for me. I only learned how to do SMD parts
<azonenberg> But i've always stored mine without any special fluff
<cr1901_modern> erm, a few months ago
<azonenberg> in the garage
<azonenberg> and throw it away when it starts to change consistency
<azonenberg> in the peak of summer i might consider fridging it, maybe
<azonenberg> re messy...
<azonenberg> just squirt a tiny line across the stencil
<azonenberg> use an old credit card or something to squeegee it across
<azonenberg> throw out whatever you dont use from that blob
<azonenberg> its so cheap i dont care about saving the residue
<azonenberg> including shipping i probably spend $20 a year on paste, if that
<azonenberg> considering the comparator on the board i just assembled is $20...
<azonenberg> it's an insignificant fraction of my total projects budget
<rqou> hrm i just remember a bunch of friends mentioned they had tons of annoyingness shipping solder paste
<azonenberg> Digikey will try to send it next-day in a refrigerated shipper wit han ice pack and everything
<azonenberg> But you can also get it from oshstencils
<azonenberg> they will do i think 2-day shipping and not fridge it
<azonenberg> there's a small extra cost but if you combine that with shipping for your stencil its pretty insignificant
<cr1901_modern> How much extra is oshstencils in general?
<rqou> hrmm, i'll have to look into that
<rqou> one of my friends had a fun horror story of ordering solder paste from a distributor that insisted on shipping it refrigerated and then fat-fingering the zip code at the same time :P
<azonenberg> lol
<rqou> i really need to obtain a "for chemicals" fridge
<rqou> or maybe an entire chem lab area
<lain> food is just chemicals you can eat
<rqou> or maybe an actual job + house? :P
<azonenberg> rqou: lol
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<cyrozap> rqou: I have a kinda-working Makefile...
<cyrozap> Why TF is your test.py calling g++?
<cyrozap> Your build system is f'd up :P
<cyrozap> rqou: Sent you a PR
<cyrozap> Now you can just run "make" and only changed files (and their dependent targets) will be rebuilt
<cyrozap> Also, now you can use "scan-build"
<cyrozap> Actually, scan-build seems to barf
<cyrozap> Oh, it's because the standard isn't specified
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<rqou> thanks cyrozap
<rqou> also, if you have really strong opinions about the "test harness" you can fix that too :P
<rqou> despite being able to "write code" i'm not that great at "software engineering"
<lain> code monkey!
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<nats`> azonenberg we need to make a test plan
<nats`> I have what needed at home to test against my tektronix scope
<nats`> so I need greenpak stuff and we can test plan :)
<nats`> I'm still working on sampling part
<nats`> but with the tektronix part I'll have a value to check against
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<azonenberg> nats`: my pmod for the greenpak devkit is still en route from oshpark
<nats`> what should I do so ?
<azonenberg> I'm about to go out for a hike so i dont have too much time to think about it :p
<azonenberg> Will figure out a plan in the evening
<nats`> oky
<nats`> if my help is not needed on the topic I have fuck ton of things to do :)
<nats`> quick question does PCIE x2 exists ?
<nats`> I was pretty sure pcie was 1 4 8 16
<azonenberg> i have never seen x2
<azonenberg> But i dont know if the protocol allows it
<nats`> seems yes but really uncommon
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<rqou> cyrozap: not sure if you saw this on GitHub, but it'd be nice if you could fix the classic ".h dependency tracking" issue in the makefile
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