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<andlabs> more computers are coming my way I guess
<andlabs> this time a 3com Audrey (actually two of them)
<andlabs> qnx time
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<washbear> i had a qnx tablet
<washbear> it bricked itself during an update
<washbear> miss it tbh
<washbear> i should get a tmobile sidekick lx 2009 so i can tell people i have a netbsd phone
<washbear> also they're cute
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<Lord_Nightmare> ej5: re: that trace acting as an inductor, can you just add a big thick patch wire and cut the original trace, to reduce the issue?
<Lord_Nightmare> at least as a temporary fix before re-laying out the board
<m4t> got a smorgasbord of chips last week: https://photos.app.goo.gl/hw38HhChDdRfuwbHA
<m4t> only like $50 usd or so total
<ej5> Lord_Nightmare, that's what i did. no need to cut the original trace, inductors in parallel reduce the inductance.
<andlabs> woah both a YM2413 and a YM2413B
<andlabs> how do they differ anyway
<m4t> shrug
<m4t> Yamaha YM2413B and YMF281B are low power variants of YM2413 and YMF281 respectively.
<m4t> These variants also eliminate the crossover distortion of the DAC. A lower power consumption indicates that these variants may be made using a CMOS process.
<m4t> maybe kind of like ym2612 vs ym3438
<andlabs> heh
<m4t> are there any sources of non-video game music for sega? kinda like all the sid stuff that's popped up over the yrs
<natarii> you mean homebrew stuff, not from commercial games?
<m4t> yeah
<m4t> "scene"
<natarii> https://www.youtube.com/c/Molkirill/videos, there are also a few other youtube channels i can't think of off the top of my head. but all those links are things i've played a bunch
<m4t> do the bandcamp ones have a .vgm download somehow? i see https://d34d.bandcamp.com/album/future-2612 mentions it
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<natarii> yeah, either in the bandcamp download or there will be a link in the description or something
<superctr> japanese home computers also had FM chips. there was a lot of music made with MXDRV (.MDX format) and PMD (.M) format for the X68000 and PC-98 respectively
<superctr> much of which being non game music
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<andlabs> pc-98 update: I tripped a setting and got it to go past 14MB in the RAM check but even after checking all the RAM it doesn't boot
<andlabs> HA IT WAS THE HARD DRIVE AFTER ALL
<andlabs> THE THING IS ALIVE
<Lord_Nightmare> m4t: we think that the ymf281(b?) and the ym2413b use the same die, 2 metal CMOS, while the original ym2413 is nmos, as is the VRC7 which is ~90% the same die as the ym2413
<Lord_Nightmare> the "FHB013" die on siliconpr0n is the 2-metal die used by ymf281(b?) and possibly ym2413b
<Lord_Nightmare> the ym2413 die isn't imaged yet, but there is one that's been decapped, waiting for imaging
<Lord_Nightmare> but from what we can see from low res pics, its 90% the same die as the VRC7
<Lord_Nightmare> vrc7 has an added upper area which holds the mapper logic, and the RO output from the dac is just not connected anywhere
<m4t> pretty cool
<Lord_Nightmare> the fhb013 die has the instrument ROM in the lower middle
<Lord_Nightmare> the ym2413 die has the instrument ROM at the left middle edge
<andlabs> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477122836281032721/770406762561142804/unknown.png the fourth option here that starts with 16MB is what causes it to stop the RAM check early but I don't know what it says
<andlabs> oh it literally says "16MB or more memory"; I guess it's a compatibility thing?
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<m4t> hrm that M48T18 nvram/rtc in the pic i posted earlier is dated 1999 and somehow still readable with data intact. 21 yrs seems a long time for a lithium batt to tick.
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