ELLIOTTCABLE changed the topic of #elliottcable to: #ELLIOTTCABLE — “do something cool, shove it into throats, everyone thinks it's crap, then it's all amazing.” “everything else is just details.”
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<niggler> any asians here?
<niggler> *asians in asia
<prophile> yes, if by asia you mean eurasia
<niggler> I'm trying to resolve a mystery with some asian symbols
<niggler> the top is what excel 2011 is rendering and the bottom is what vim renders
<niggler> in particular, i can't tell if the second character is the same
<niggler> (whether the difference is a font difference or a character difference)
<prophile> why not copy-paste the excel one into vim?
<niggler> the real mystery is what you see when you try to edit: http://i.imgur.com/hPOfVIX.png
<niggler> that's what i did
<niggler> i tried to "edit" the tab, copied the text, pasted in vim
<niggler> but i can't tell if osx or excel is bastardizing unicode
<prophile> do it the other way then
<prophile> copypasta into excel
<alexgordon> niggler: do you speak asian?
<niggler> you know alexgordon after staring at Japanese and Chinese symbols for an hour, i still can't distinguish the two
<alexgordon> niggler: japanese uses chinese symbols...
<niggler> though I can tell them apart from the korean
<niggler> but it appears excel 2011 can't handle korean
<niggler> or at least it didn't ship with the proper korean codepages
<niggler> 에
<niggler> that's a korean character
<alexgordon> yep
<alexgordon> koreans loooove circles
<alexgordon> niggler: question: WHY
<niggler> why do koreans love circles?
<alexgordon> it's a bit useless knowing the latters
<alexgordon> erm
<alexgordon> letters
<niggler> are you asking me to identify the reason why koreans love circles?
<niggler> or asking me why i care about these characters
<alexgordon> the latter
<alexgordon> koreans love circles because uh ...boobs?
<alexgordon> why do you care about CJK characters?
<alexgordon> I can understand caring about one, maybe two of those :P
<alexgordon> in the context of learning the language
<niggler> well I'm trying to do something pretty crazy alexgordon
<alexgordon> though it takes a special kind of masochist to learn japanese
<niggler> so i was going through the apache POI test data and there were some sheets in CJK
<alexgordon> niggler: ah
<niggler> and after doing some digging, i realized that even they were wrong
<alexgordon> niggler: do you know about the utf-8 test files?
<alexgordon> I collected a bunch of them for chocolat
<niggler> i do not, although utf-8 isn't as relevant to me
<niggler> excel doesn't do utf-8 in xls
<alexgordon> still it's a useful stress test for any unicode
<niggler> they have a slew of codepages
<niggler> link me alexgordon
<niggler> holy crap btw are you familiar with the arabic percent sign?
<alexgordon> nope
<niggler> its code point 066A
<alexgordon> this one came up on google http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt
<niggler> ٪
<alexgordon> LOL
<purr> LOL
<niggler> so get this shit
<niggler> there are a few arabic codepages that break ascii
<niggler> they use ٪ in place of %
<niggler> and that breaks the python libraries
<niggler> anyway, so what dawned on me alexgordon is that the task of parsing these files is doable but it takes a lot of time and patience
<niggler> and most people aren't detail-oriented enough to notice small things like this
<alexgordon> either that or they have girlfriends
<niggler> not mutually exclusive
<alexgordon> but you, niggler, are sacrificing that for the good of humanity
<niggler> i'm a one-night-stand kind of guy
<alexgordon> for you
<niggler> hehe
<gkatsev> still working on that?
<purr> <vil> elliottcable: do I have to scream at yellow paint to use vim? is that why I'm not an expert yet?
<niggler> gkatsev i decided to just bite the bullet and actually find the codepages
<niggler> which is trickier than it sounds, given that some of them are not available on the internet
<niggler> ت
<gkatsev> fun
<niggler> the "arabic smiley"
<niggler> when you zoom in enough, it looks like a smiley face
<joelteon> it looks REALLY pleased with itself
<whitequark> niggler: well duh, japanese use quite a bit of chinese characters
<whitequark> however if you have not a single grapheme but a phrase it's easy
<whitequark> look out for that kana :)
<whitequark> also why the hell is korean conflated to CJK, don't they have a nice alphabet?
<niggler> the next battle, of course, is the right-to-left languages (which google docs and open office really seem to have a hard time dealing with)
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<cuttle> whitequark: probably because those countries/languages are associated in the committee-members' minds as being similar, even though korean's alphabet is totally different (although sometimes chinese characters *are* used in korean, in like scientific articles and stuff, so maybe grouping it with japanese and chinese isn't totally dumb)_
<cuttle> s/_//
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<yorickpeterse> korean and japanese are two very different languages
<yorickpeterse> both in writing and speaking
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<purr> <alexgordon> a python script, to generate a grammar, to pass to a compiler compiler, to generate the C++ source for a compiler, to be compiled by a C++ compiler
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<purr> <Willox> Is paws something metaphorical?
<purr> <alexgordon> Judofyr: don't worry, micahjohnston is practically in kindergarten
<alexgordon> almost in high school now
<whitequark> hahaha, paws as a metaphorical journey
<whitequark> like http://oglaf.com/delivery/
<whitequark> I'm sure ec will relate
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<joelteon> man i started reading oglaf
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: wat
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Who the fuck were all those strange people?
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: they're just like you <3
<ELLIOTTCABLE> How so?
<whitequark> sigh
<whitequark> I was responding to 19:09 <@purr> <Willox> Is paws something metaphorical?
<whitequark> guess it failed
<ELLIOTTCABLE> No, I got that
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I meant the people coming and going this morning, according to the logs
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<whitequark> ahhh
<ELLIOTTCABLE> kenina, rjvzit, rvthorne, julianic
<purr> <ec> pulsating python of looooooove.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Perennially poised pole
<ELLIOTTCABLE> This is harder to do on my phone, while crossing the street with dogs
<ELLIOTTCABLE> It's rather like juggling while standing on your head; taking a quintessentially useless skill, and making it arbitrarily more difficult … without making it more purposeful
<cuttle> yorickpeterse: yes I know, but sometimes korean does use chinese characters (rarely)
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: hi
<joelteon> there's something magical about setting up a brand new server
<joelteon> it's almost therapeutic
<cuttle> 11:19 AM <•ELLIOTTCABLE> It's rather like juggling while standing on your head; taking a quintessentially useless skill, and making it arbitrarily more difficult … without making it more purposeful
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Hi
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: hi!
<jvulc> Hi
<purr> jvulc: hi!
<jvulc> Goddamn that bot.
<cuttle> hi ELLIOTTCABLE
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<jdhartley> hi
<purr> jdhartley: hi!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi cuttle
<jdhartley> how u doin
<ELLIOTTCABLE> jvulc: what's wrong with our bot, eh? eh eh eh?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi, jdhartley
<jdhartley> hi elliottcable
<jvulc> Nothing. Nothing at all. It's classy and sensual.
<jdhartley> hi jvulc
<jvulc> hi jdhartley
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi purr
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: hi!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi jvulc
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi jdhartley
<jdhartley> hi
<purr> jdhartley: hi!
<joelteon> fuck the bot
<joelteon> fuck it in the asshole
<ELLIOTTCABLE> joelteon: that's what /ignore is for.
<joelteon> anybody here good at web design
<ELLIOTTCABLE> there's a reason it uses different nicknames for different things.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lol.
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> jdhartley: forgot what I dragged you on here for.
<jdhartley> thats okay
<jdhartley> you were gonna complain about something?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lots of things.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but meh, gotta get back up and run. so much to do.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you still planning to drag ellie downtown tonight?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> actually, text me, closing IRC to runa way, <3
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<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE:
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Hm? Cuttle
<cuttle> how are you
<alexgordon> hi cuttle
<alexgordon> this is a GOOD DAY
* alexgordon does a dance
<purr> <whitequark> did you just invent hardware virtualiztaion?
<whitequark> ec: now that was out of context
<whitequark> it's still not a wat.
<prophile> taw
<cuttle> alexgordon:
<cuttle> whitequark: yeah sometimes people just say "wat." because *in* context it doesn't make sense :p
<cuttle> whitequark: though putting it into the bot is for when *out* of context it doesn't make sense
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<alexgordon> ari hoenig <3
<alexgordon> he always looks like he's constipated, but it seems to work for him
<whitequark> cuttle: no. ec specifically said that while that made sense it context it didn't make sense outside.
<whitequark> and he's fucking wrong.
<whitequark> nerdrage.
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<alexgordon> lol whitequark
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> calm down, have some tea
<prophile> bees bees bees
<prophile> literally everywhere
<prophile> by which I mean, omnipresent bees
<alexgordon> prophile: it's autumn!
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<cuttle> whitequark: haha let's fuckin murder him
<cuttle> alexgordon: tea <3
<cuttle> (i do that because you don't like tea)
<alexgordon> did you watch the videos?
<alexgordon> I don't like the british idea of tea
<alexgordon> builders tea
<alexgordon> other countries have better tea traditions
<alexgordon> nah
<alexgordon> "lets water down some milk and shove some leaves in it!"
<cuttle> nicotine is the best thing there is for a weed hangover
<cuttle> but
<cuttle> cigarettes and cigars are fucking gross
<cuttle> yeah i don't really like builder's tea either
<cuttle> don't like milk in my tea
<cuttle> unless it's like frothy chai latte yknow
<whitequark> cuttle: yeah let's do that. never knew you were into fucking murdering
<cuttle> fucking-murdering?
<whitequark> yes
<whitequark> it's like
<cuttle> eeh
<whitequark> general-governor
<whitequark> fucking-murdering
<whitequark> same thing basically
<cuttle> yeah i went to high school but
<cuttle> i went to school high
<cuttle> yeah i went to high school but
<cuttle> i went to school high
<alexgordon> cuttle: smoking weed is pretty gross tbh
<alexgordon> smoking anything is gross
<cuttle> alexgordon: waaaay less gross than tobacco
<alexgordon> I dunno?
<cuttle> honestly i'd say it's not even gross
<cuttle> like for instance
<cuttle> smoke a cig in a room and the room reeks for days
<cuttle> rip the bong a few times in a room and it's gone in half a day
<alexgordon> and weed has no smell?
<cuttle> weed
<cuttle> weed's smell doesn't make me immediately want to drink something sweet to get it out of m mouth
<cuttle> and the smell's not unpleasant, just a little strong and really distinctive
<alexgordon> I guess, I still dislike smoking
<cuttle> and i mean smoking out of an apple or a pipe or a bong or something is waaay improved
<cuttle> but like tobacco you need a straight up hookah or else it's nasty
<niggler> weed is the apple of smoking
<cuttle> niggler: wat.
<purr> beep.
<niggler> of course, cigarettes are the facebook
<cuttle> oh that apple
<cuttle> lol
<purr> lol
<niggler> cloves are the microsoft
<alexgordon> people smoke cloves?
<niggler> hookah's probably the google
<niggler> its for those who want to pretend to be cool
<cuttle> niggler: i can't see much content in your analogy :p
<cuttle> you should expand it
<niggler> so of the various types of smoke, weed is arguably the most pleasant
<niggler> like you said, there's no visceral reaction
<cuttle> haha yeah
<niggler> cigarette smoke godawful, even smokers agree
<niggler> clove smoke is not as bad as traditional cigarette smoke, but people generally avoid it at all costs
<cuttle> hahaha
<niggler> hookah smoke is pretty pleasant the first few seconds out of a person's mouth, but it gets stale real quick
<cuttle> :p
<cuttle> haha good points
<whitequark> i wonder what do you make with weed so it doesn't burn your fucking lungs off. asking for a friend
<niggler> brownies?
<whitequark> hm
<whitequark> TIL bandaid over nipples is a thing
<cuttle> brownies definitely won't burn your lungs but they're a very different experience
<whitequark> why?..
<cuttle> whitequark: chafing?
<cuttle> I would say get experienced with weed before using edibles
<cuttle> whitequark: bongs improve things
<whitequark> cuttle: figured it
<cuttle> whitequark: and also just be conservative with your hits/drags
<whitequark> but that's too much work
<cuttle> like, stop breathing in when you feel that tickle your it's gonna burn
<cuttle> with either a bong or a joint
<whitequark> cuttle: it's like... immediately?
<whitequark> I swear I once inhaled a mixture of hot alcohol vapor mixed with products of its combustion and it was somewhat more pleasant
<whitequark> accidentally of course
<whitequark> no, that just makes it worse -_-
<joelteon> haha
<joelteon> only time i smoked weed
<joelteon> i inhaled the smoke
<joelteon> my lungs were on fire for four hours
<whitequark> it's pretty fun... if you're in high school. take a pill bottle, fill it with alcohol vapor, ignite
<whitequark> POP and the cap flies for like eight meters
<whitequark> brb need a pill bottle
<cuttle> joelteon: well i mean you are supposed to inhale, it's not like cigs
<joelteon> right
<cuttle> joelteon: but you do have to be conservative with it
<joelteon> ok
<cuttle> and yeah i know how that goes
<cuttle> whitequark: hahahaha
<whitequark> cuttle: so it's supposed to work like that
<cuttle> whitequark: a russian thing?
<whitequark> why the fuck do people smoke weed
<cuttle> and it does get better over time
<cuttle> whitequark: because it's fuckin sweet?
<joelteon> practice
<joelteon> you need practice
<joelteon> i have no respect for people who smoke weed
<joelteon> if you're not doing hard drugs, you're a pussy
<cuttle> lol
<purr> lol
<whitequark> cuttle: (russian) idk, seems pretty trivial to come up on your own
<whitequark> surprisingly a quick youtube search doesn't bring anything so maybe it is
<cuttle> whitequark: yeah, but my friends who try everything they can get their hands on haven't ever mentioned it :P
<cuttle> and they like
<whitequark> well, not so much of "a thing"
<cuttle> do lines of crushed lortab, so
<whitequark> there was like three of us guys doing it
<whitequark> wait are we still talking about the bottle pop thing
<cuttle> yeah
<cuttle> :p
<cuttle> you're the first i've heard of it :P
<whitequark> wait why the fuck would you do that
<whitequark> eh, nevermind
<whitequark> cuttle: so like
<whitequark> wanna try?
<whitequark> it's fun
<joelteon> i don't think so much of my stuff has ever before broken at once
<joelteon> iphone
<whitequark> btw are you from us?
<joelteon> headphones
<joelteon> razor
<cuttle> whitequark: yeah
<cuttle> i'm in slc
<cuttle> joelteon: was it you who was moving here?
<joelteon> no
<cuttle> someone was
<whitequark> well so
<whitequark> I decided I'm tired of rotting in my tiny smokey flat
<whitequark> (smokey because it's just next to a highway. two days and I've got a thick layer of pitch-black dirt on everything... grr)
<whitequark> wonder who do I want to pester first!
<cuttle> that sounds awful
<whitequark> basically the worst neighborhood of moscow, air quality wise
<whitequark> I'm here because reasons, it still sucks though
<whitequark> wow, airline tickets are a fucking ripoff
<jvulc> No, shit. It's flying.
<whitequark> jvulc: so?
<jvulc> I was agreeing with you.
<whitequark> I've in my pocket an equivalent of 1990's supercomputer, and it costs $3
<whitequark> oh
<whitequark> right.
<whitequark> ok hm, so if I plan this ridiculously in advance and by cheapass airlines, then it would cost me $1200
<whitequark> hmm.