ELLIOTTCABLE changed the topic of #elliottcable to: #ELLIOTTCABLE — “do something cool, shove it into throats, everyone thinks it's crap, then it's all amazing.” “everything else is just details.”
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<purr> <gqbrielle> I FUCKED A MERMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAID
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<joelteon> purr is recycling
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> joelteon: yeah, purr's needed to be turned down for a while now; but I'm largely busy
<ELLIOTTCABLE> haven't been near an SSH connection for a long while
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttlebone: 3DS … why tf
<niggler> you think PS5 or xbox 720 is better?
<joelteon> ps6 is gonna be bomb
<joelteon> i don't have the energy to play my xbox or i would
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: … you're straight!?
<joelteon> whitequark is asexual
<joelteon> sex is for dumb stupid people
<jesusabdullah> :(
<jesusabdullah> I miss sex
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: wait, why do you ask?
<whitequark> oh, jordan
<whitequark> hell, even if I was a girl, I'd find her hot
<ELLIOTTCABLE> no. she looks old.
<whitequark> who the fuck cares.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> prophile: chellio just read that wat … she's losing her shit.
<whitequark> and she does NOT look old, you dork
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: seriously now, I really wonder how did you come to the conclusion I was not straight?..
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: because
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: pokemon
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: oot3d
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: all the billions of emulated games to download
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: but mainly pokemon
<cuttlebone> also the new mario and stuff
<cuttlebone> basically there are many solid games on it, and pokemon
<joelteon> pokemon
<joelteon> just pokemon
<joelteon> ohhhhhkay
<joelteon> pokemon x game card fell out of my 3DS in my backpack
<joelteon> and i lost 40 levels of progress
<joelteon> welp
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<niggler> people still play pokemon?
<joelteon> there are people that don't play pokemon?
<cuttlebone> joelteon: :(
<joelteon> i wouldn't care...
<cuttlebone> niggler: it's all over my twitter
<joelteon> but the 3ds doesn't have a fast forward function
<cuttlebone> got me jealous
<joelteon> i can beat pokemon sapphire in 2 hours
<joelteon> but not this shit
<niggler> you need a new twitter
<cuttlebone> niggler: you need a new self
<cuttlebone> :OOOOOO
<joelteon> nice one
<cuttlebone> at least a new opinion regarding pokemon
<niggler> gotta catch em all, eh?
<cuttlebone> gkatsev: rocky horror!
<cuttlebone> o7 everyone
<cuttlebone> i'm off to a party
<purr> <akshatj__> I can make you sick
<gkatsev> cuttlebone: yes!
<gkatsev> cuttlebone: just got back from it
<whitequark> wait, I just realized it
<whitequark> jordan is basically tsundere
<whitequark> it's not as noticeable because it's played slightly differently and you don't expect it in this context, but it's true
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<purr> <devyn> no, the plastic kind
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> what niggler said … people still play pokemon? o_O
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> lookie lookie, it's drparse
<drparse> hi ELLIOTTCABLE
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I want my damn Form 1 to ship D:
<ELLIOTTCABLE> at this rate, I'mma get my Othermill *before* my Form 1, which kinda defeats the point.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I have a house I should be outfitting.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> But I either want to Maker-mode, and do more research into arduino shit,
<ELLIOTTCABLE> or work on Paws.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> bad elliott.
* ELLIOTTCABLE slaps self lightly.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> okay! drparse: Got a moment?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> vil: youuuuuu
<ELLIOTTCABLE> which people in here are maker-nuts?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> arduino / tessel / etc
<vil> ELLIOTTCABLE: hay
<vil> what's happenin'
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lots
<ELLIOTTCABLE> new-home is making me want to new-hobbies, badly
<vil> oh fun
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and because my Form 1 got pushed waaaaaaay back, shipping-wise, it's going to probably get here *after* the othermill
<ELLIOTTCABLE> originally, I'd expected to play around with random, pointless 3d sculpture shit, or mechanical hacks, before getting onwards to my real goal, which is home-automation shit / small-scale semi-robotics / various embedded device fun
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but I know so little. it's time to learn :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so, either that, or Paws. I wanna Techify™ today.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> vil: what're you up to?
<vil> in class right now
<vil> will be done at noon
* ELLIOTTCABLE grins
<vil> I really enjoy home automation stuff
<vil> just can't afford a lot of it yet
<vil> I'm building an RFID door-unlocker for my dorm room
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wait they DID release an iPad Mini with Retina!?!?!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Omg wtf how did I miss this
<vil> using my old Basic STAMP
<vil> yes
<ELLIOTTCABLE> watfuk how did i not know
<ELLIOTTCABLE> omfg and there's a 128GB model. WHAT EVEN.
<vil> hehehe
<drparse> ELLIOTTCABLE: yes
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: did you ever respond, recently, to my “what should I use instead of Arduino” question?
<vil> I have a Raspberry Pi without a purpose at the moment
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what's a good, high-power chip, at reasonable-ish prices? what architectures should I investigate? which chip / environment is going to be relatively easy for me to target for development? which environments exist *other* than arduino, that still have big developer communities and lots of google-able solutions?
<vil> got it to build a wrist-mounted computer, but I have no idea how to do the touch screen
<ELLIOTTCABLE> vil: wrong end of the spectrum. I *want* to do low-power, embedded stuff.
<vil> yep
<vil> Arduino is probably the best
<vil> Tessel looks interesting too
<vil> there's also BeagleBoard: http://beagleboard.org/
<vil> but it's closer to the Pi I think
<cuttlebone> gkatsev: sweet
<cuttlebone> gkatsev: lost my rocky horror virginity last night :p
<vil> oh god that movie
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: with a mild hangover, a frappe, and some regrets about my academic responsibility this week, I'm pretty down to Techify™ :p
<cuttlebone> vil: fucking *great*, right?
<vil> yepyep
<cuttlebone> touch-a touch-a touch-a touch me
<cuttlebone> i wanna be diiiirty
<cuttlebone> thrill me, chill me, fulfill meee
<cuttlebone> creature oof the night
<vil> ELLIOTTCABLE: so what are you looking to automate, to start with?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Hah
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Well, first off, the things I'm doing with commercial products:
<vil> (back in either 10 minutes or an hour, depending on what we're doing next class)
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Ugh. I WISH I had an excuse to buy a new iPad.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I want the Retina Mini, *and* I want the new Air.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> But I literally have zero reason to buy either.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Like, I've always found an excuse to buy almost every new Apple product. You all know me, I'm a horrible person like that. But these are such small, incremental, non-Appley-impressivey changes, that even *I* can't justify it >,>
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I can only justify the 5S 'cause they've made iOS 7 so fucking grindingly slow on the old 5, and 'cause I want the M7.
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: yeah seriously the ipads are so iterative
<cuttlebone> not even like rainbow lickable colors
* ELLIOTTCABLE nods
<cuttlebone> just like
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I hear the iPad Air is *actually amazing*, in person
<cuttlebone> the resolution from *this* device… on *this* device!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> like, the view I got from a very pragmatic friend who handled one, is basically,
<ELLIOTTCABLE> “This is the Snow Leopard of iPads.”
<cuttlebone> the thickness of *this* device… on *this* device!
<cuttlebone> :p
<ELLIOTTCABLE> like, they changed so much in so many subtly excellent ways, that it's worth it, despite sounding stupid.”
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> but I didn't even know they changed the mini. that's how sad.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttlebone: plans for the day?
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: nurse hangover, turn in some assignments, start nanowrimo, and generally recover from halloween
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hangover? :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lol
<purr> lol
<cuttlebone> haha yeah
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttlebone: do you do hardware-hacking stuff? I'll assume you've played with ardunio or something … but anything more?
<cuttlebone> i haven't played with arduino
<cuttlebone> my brother has a raspi
<cuttlebone> the one who's on a mission
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm so excited for stuff like this, but the problem for me is largely projects
<cuttlebone> so it's roasting at home
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm waaaaaaaay too pragmatic to just want to make an LED on a board flash.
<cuttlebone> i read a bunch of microcontroller-programming tutorials on sparkfun one time
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but all of the arduino-y friends I have, seem content with little stuff like that …
<cuttlebone> haha yaeh
<cuttlebone> what I *wanted* to do was
<ELLIOTTCABLE> … or at best, with replicating what slightly-more-expensive, but way-more-polished products can do
<cuttlebone> with my roommate, make like a thing
<cuttlebone> for like
<ELLIOTTCABLE> stuff just like vil's ersatz Lockitron ;)
<cuttlebone> iscaiusormicahgettinglaid.com
<cuttlebone> and check that on a smartphone before coming to the dorm
<ELLIOTTCABLE> omg
<ELLIOTTCABLE> that's pretty excellent
<cuttlebone> and like use microcontroller shit
<ELLIOTTCABLE> here's my problem with a lot of that:
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> basically, home-automation-shit, I feel like I'm not going to be able to do with a RaPi or Arduino. They're al too BIG.
<cuttlebone> righ tyeha
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I don't want, like, one, or two, little home-automation toys.
<cuttlebone> right yeah*
<cuttlebone> I want fucking
<cuttlebone> nanoscale
<vil> hey, just because my door unlocker is built in the carboard box the rfid reader came in…
<cuttlebone> distributed highly parallel
<cuttlebone> shit
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I want to dive in and have literally FIVE HUNDRED little home-automation gadgets and sensors in my house
<cuttlebone> and nobodoy
<cuttlebone> *nobody*
<cuttlebone> can do paralell
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so. hence Othermill.
<cuttlebone> even though it's FUCKING easy
<cuttlebone> with the right tools
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what're you on about? longer sentences. slow down.
<cuttlebone> i want to have like five hundred thousand nanoscale molecules doing distributed computation for me
<cuttlebone> in my house
<cuttlebone> some highly parallel shit
<vil> cuttlebone: good luck with that
<cuttlebone> vil: thanks
<vil> at least for the forseeable future :{
<vil> oh hey mustache guy
<cuttlebone> hahah
<cuttlebone> i can write a compiler for highly distributed shit
<cuttlebone> i can do it
<cuttlebone> just need a fab for nanoscales
<vil> "just" :D
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: got that fab?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> not yet
<ELLIOTTCABLE> fab ships soon
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Form 1, no idea, it's still behind /=
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what happened with the Form 1 really sucked:
<vil> what is Form 1? I haven't heard of that one
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I THOUGHT I had pre-ordered, like, as soon as I saw it
<ELLIOTTCABLE> vil: laser-sintering 3d printer
<ELLIOTTCABLE> i.e. not-as-fucking-shitty-as-ABS, but-way-more-expensive
<vil> neat
<vil> oh, found it
<ELLIOTTCABLE> the Form 1 is a desktop/maker/hacker version of the high-end, industrial 3d printers
<vil> wow, they raised almost $3 million
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it's actually extremely well done; it's only, like, 20% more expensive than the shitty ABS models like the Replicator and friends
<ELLIOTTCABLE> anyway:
<ELLIOTTCABLE> once I started to get pissed and look into “Where the fuck is my Form 1!?”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I realized … I'd never actually submitted the order.
<vil> awww
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and the Kickstarter was loooong over and they were already shipping.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so I had to go to their website, and “preorder” from theirs tore.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> my pre-order was slated for August shipping. The actual kick starters started to ship in, like, July.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I was already a month behind.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> then, manufacturing issues pushed back half of their kickstarter models …
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and the rest of us pre-order-ers got pushed back a couple months …
<cuttlebone> I WROTE LIKE EDGAR ALLEN
<cuttlebone> I WAS PO' LIKE EDGAR ALLEN
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so now the original August preorders (*not* mine), shipped in, like, October …
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and mine isn't shipping until who-knows-when …
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ಠ_ಠ
<purr> <purr> Factoid ‘sephr’: Popularity 0.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttlebone: anyway …
<ELLIOTTCABLE> more realistically,
<cuttlebone> YOU HIT THIS SHIT A FEW TIMES, YOU MIGHT SEE THE FUTURE
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I want lots of small sensor-things and automation-things around my house
<ELLIOTTCABLE> like, the entire, 3d-printing-packaged device, attached to a wall or under a desk or around a lock, to be smaller than my fist
<ELLIOTTCABLE> not, like, a fist-sized board, with random wires everywhere, and cords over to big wall-warts and blahblahblahblah …
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so I'm organizing my efforts towards optimizing for size, not towards cost.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hence a PCB-printing mill … and trying to choose my own chips, not go with whatever Arduino might have chosen … and also planning to put a lot of effort into powering-systems problems
<ELLIOTTCABLE> instead of 5V wall-wart bullshit all over my house, I might try to optimize my own experience with ‘wireless charging’ type shit, and have expensive-but-small-and-high-efficiency batteries … idk yet.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so I can pick up various devices and charge them all in one place when I need to.
<gkatsev> cuttlebone: heh, this was a live show, right? Did they do anything with the virgins?
<cuttlebone> gkatsev: yeah, had them go to the front, bend over, and all the non-virgins shout FUCK
<cuttlebone> so
<cuttlebone> "you've all been fucked by over 200 peoplei"
<cuttlebone> also got like volunteers out of the virgins to like
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttlebone: er, wat
<cuttlebone> pantomime gender-swap sex acts
<cuttlebone> like
<cuttlebone> guy pantomimes blowjob on a banana a girl is holding
<cuttlebone> or gives a girl a lap dance
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: rocky horror picture show
<cuttlebone> live showing
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what's that
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wtf
<vil> it's a really strange movie that you should watch some time
<cuttlebone> like
<cuttlebone> intentional B-movie humor
<niggler> anyone good at website design?
<cuttlebone> lots of transvestites
<cuttlebone> niggler: i just made a website
<cuttlebone> :p
<niggler> there's a part of me that wants to design good pages
<niggler> and the rest of me that just doesn't give a shit
<cuttlebone> jesus christ kendrick is good
<niggler> so i wonder if it makes sense to learn design or to just hire someone
<ELLIOTTCABLE> niggler: why do you keep asking that
<ELLIOTTCABLE> niggler: of *course* we're ‘good at website design.’
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ;)
<niggler> lol
<purr> lol
<cuttlebone> yeah just take a look at paws.mu
<niggler> so i recently discovered that most of the web uses adobe typekit
<niggler> including but not limited to paws.mu apparently
<niggler> and that I have it blocked
<gkatsev> cuttlebone: oh, only that?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: did you ever try Rdio?
<cuttlebone> gkatsev: yeah i imagine they do a lot more elsewhere
<cuttlebone> :p
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wat the fuck, cuttlebone, that's live? D:
<gkatsev> cuttlebone: for us, some of the virgins go up to the front, get paired up and play a game. The game involves switching their clothes
<cuttlebone> oh haha wow
<gkatsev> cuttlebone: the winner is the pair that gets it done first.
<cuttlebone> sounds awesome
<gkatsev> afterwards, they pop one of the guys's cherries. That being a ballon that is put between their legs
<cuttlebone> haha
<gkatsev> guy or girl
<gkatsev> also, possibly because it was halloween, but usually, the virgins also get a V written in lipstick on their face
<ELLIOTTCABLE> “ Yourmusical compatibility with micahjohnston is SUPER”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lol cuttlebone
<purr> lol
<gkatsev> I mean, yesterday, they did do that
<cuttlebone> gkatsev: some people had that
<cuttlebone> but not everyone
<ELLIOTTCABLE> gkatsev: what the fuck
<gkatsev> alright, that means that people are keeping up the tradition
<ELLIOTTCABLE> is this a movie, or is this some sort of live porn-show
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm so confused
<gkatsev> ELLIOTTCABLE: rocky horror
<gkatsev> live
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yes, that's not answering my question.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you're telling me what it's called, which I already know.
<gkatsev> virgins being those that have never seen the live show before
<ELLIOTTCABLE> a bunch of people who tell everyone they're virgins, put lipstick on their faces?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> …
<ELLIOTTCABLE> god, I hate humanity.
<gkatsev> we don't discriminate. Everyone is a virgin if they've never been before.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> … so the *majority* of attendees, *have* been before?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> people go back and watch this again, by choice?
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: ok stop, let me explain from the start
<cuttlebone> so
<ELLIOTTCABLE> after being singled out, and having lipstick smeared on to their faces?
<gkatsev> ELLIOTTCABLE: well, usually their friends put it on for them.
<cuttlebone> movie was made
<cuttlebone> wasn't very successful, except
<cuttlebone> had a very limited release in like some new york theatres and stuff
<cuttlebone> and the audience started like
<cuttlebone> enacting the movie in front of the screen, shouting out particular lines, and stuff
<cuttlebone> it became a Thing
<cuttlebone> weekly
<cuttlebone> and spread everywhere
<vil> I just watched the movie
<vil> none of that sounds like something I would enjoy doing
<ELLIOTTCABLE> shit like this gives me suuuuuuuper, super …
<ELLIOTTCABLE> social anxiety, sort of.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> or jealousy.
<vil> ^
<ELLIOTTCABLE> or bitterness, hatred-of-humanity, anger …
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it's funny.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm *super*, super socially-capable, and friendly, and well-loved.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I've started going to confs occasionally, and I keep finding out that famous people know of me … and then later, finding out that they loved meeting me. Great feels, etcetcetc. Happy-making.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> But stuff like this, makes me feel like a nerdy little unlovable lonely kid, again.
<vil> yep
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Sports, sports-fans do the same thing. So do the athletic types.
<gkatsev> frankly, this group of people are some of the most accepting
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I hate runners. I hate hockey, or football, fans.
<cuttlebone> yeah like the type of people who go to rocky horror are the
<cuttlebone> "nerdy little unlovable kids"
<cuttlebone> outcasts
<cuttlebone> it's not like sports at all
<gkatsev> plenty of non outcasts as well, actually.
<cuttlebone> yeah definitely
<ELLIOTTCABLE> that's just it, though
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it's groups of people who feel outcast, making themselves feel better by creating their *own* exclusionary in-groups.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> that's a lot of what we're seeing in tech now, imo.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> not getting into that though, lest I sound like a broken record. D:
<gkatsev> these groups are not exclusionary. far from it.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Disagree.
<cuttlebone> i don't know, i feel like it's pretty fundamental to the rocky horror thing to be inclusive
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I feel pretty g'damn excluded, right now.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Things like freshman hazings *exist* to create a very clean, clear delineation between “He's in” and “You're out.”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Just because it's easy to cross the line, doesn't remotely mean the line doesn't exist.
<cuttlebone> the whole virgin thing is not a hazing, it's like
<cuttlebone> get you into the spirit of things
<gkatsev> yes
<cuttlebone> the whole sexually permissive spirit of it
<ELLIOTTCABLE> sexually permissive?
<cuttlebone> like
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yeahhhhh you didn't finish explaining. my fault for butting in.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> do continue.
<cuttlebone> the movie is like
<cuttlebone> intentional b-movie humor
<cuttlebone> but also
<cuttlebone> full of transvestites
<cuttlebone> and gay sex
<cuttlebone> and shit
<cuttlebone> so a huge part of it exploding was the whole transgressiveness of it
<cuttlebone> the exhibitionism and sexual permissiveness
<cuttlebone> that's one reason it got kinda huge in utah
<cuttlebone> because utah has such an overtly sexually restrictive culture
<cuttlebone> so it was an outlet
<cuttlebone> for the undergroun
<cuttlebone> d
<cuttlebone> yknow
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what are we talking about, here?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> people getting up on stage and taking their clothes off?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 'cause I think that was mentioned, although I might have missed it
<cuttlebone> welll
<cuttlebone> they get up on stage
<cuttlebone> and put on costumes
<cuttlebone> the scantiest of which is just a golden speedo
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so, some random nerdy fucker, gets up on stage, in nothing but a speedo …
<ELLIOTTCABLE> nope. nopenopenope.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm too closed-minded for this.
* ELLIOTTCABLE goes back to fpgas
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: watch the perks of being a wallflower.
<cuttlebone> it conveys it far better than i can in this conversation
<gkatsev> the rocky last night was actually a girl
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wish there was a syncing desktop app, or web interface, to thingslist
<ELLIOTTCABLE> er, thinglist*
<cuttlebone> our frank-n-furter was a big black guy
<gkatsev> cuttlebone: hahaha
<cuttlebone> was great
<vil> I wish I was able to do stuff like that, but I'm getting anxious just being in this conversation
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what vil said.
<cuttlebone> you're not forced to go up on stage
<cuttlebone> i sat in literally the back row
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'd love to talk about this more, some time. Right now I want to tech, but, yeah. This has been a recurring refrain in my life really, and I'd love to examine it with A) logical people (you lot), and B) exploratorily-compfortable people (cuttlebone)
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttlebone: http://thingli.st/6KQyIz
<vil> agreed
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: haha
<vil> I've spent a lot of effort trying to work through it myself without success
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: it's also just, a really really great movie period
<ELLIOTTCABLE> for instance: I can't compfortably handle things with, errrr, whatchacallems, on them
<ELLIOTTCABLE> bungee-cords
<vil> it is a great movie
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hairties
<ELLIOTTCABLE> those stretchy things
<ELLIOTTCABLE> because my girlfriend told me about this time she jumped off a cliff and loved it.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> when she was like 13 or something.
<cuttlebone> sounds fucking great
<cuttlebone> :p
<cuttlebone> i want to go skydiving sometime
<ELLIOTTCABLE> exactly.
<vil> I did one of those things where you get hoisted onto a crane type thing and then release and swing back and forth
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I love trying new things, personally. New foods, and new experiences. But not *scary* shit. I can't do scary. I tense up, bad.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> But the weird thing, is that this never used to be a thing.
<cuttlebone> *but*
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I was afraid of *fucking nothing*.
<cuttlebone> i got way too scared at some shitty haunted house my friends and i went to
<cuttlebone> last week
<cuttlebone> wouldn't have gone in without peer pressure from them :p
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Like, if you've ever ridden with me in a car, you see the dregs of that period in my life. When I learned to drive, I didn't know *how* to be afraid of anything.
<cuttlebone> so i mean i 100% get you
<ELLIOTTCABLE> And now I drive like that, because that's what I'm comfortable with.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> But plans … I fly around SO MUCH. You lot know that. I travel a fuckton.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> And sometime last year, when a lot of this started … I started having fairly bad flight anxiety.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I can't handle take-offs very well, and I *certainly* can't handle landings.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I can't really travel alone, well. Or rather, I do it, but I fucking hate it. I find ways to put off flights.
<vil> :/
<vil> I've never been on a plane, I worry that I'll have the same thing
<ELLIOTTCABLE> *Every single return flight* I've had scheduled this year, I've managed to miss, and stay a couple extra days for some reason or another, and then buy another ticket, later, when I absolutely had to.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> In retrospect, almost certainly a subconscious effect of how terrified I was of getting on that damn plane, and experiencing the arm-gripping face-making anxiety that the wobbling, and screaming, and lurching of the fucking shitty commercial airlines' landings.
<cuttlebone> :(
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Like, I've probably been on over a thousand planes in my lifetime. I flew a *lot* growing up … rich family, living in Alaska, not being able to go *anywhere* without getting on a plane, literally …
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I loved it. I remember loving it. Minimum of six hours, usually up to ten or twelve, of time to myself. With my books. or with my code. or whatever.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but now, I'm effectively locked into Chicago, or anywhere I can drive from here. /=
<ELLIOTTCABLE> anxiety problems. /=
<ELLIOTTCABLE> out of nowhere.
<vil> I'm not sure when mine started
<vil> I've spent a lot of time trying to figure that out as well
<purr> <joelteon> you don't realize how much pressure there is for the cool kids to rub their faces in poop these days
<vil> that must be why ^
<vil> but I know I can't always have had the social anxiety that I do now, and it bugs me that I can't figure out where it came from
<ELLIOTTCABLE> relevant:
<gkatsev> cuttlebone: fuck the back row! :P
<cuttlebone> gkatsev: hahahaha
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I feel blessed, that I overcame my social issues / loneliness *before* this anxiety-making period of my life came around.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> It'd be crushing to have social anxiety on top of all my other current issues. >,>
<ELLIOTTCABLE> http://codewars.cokm/
<ELLIOTTCABLE> com*
<ELLIOTTCABLE> just submitted my first solution. It was one line. >,<
<cuttlebone> lol they use go rankings
<purr> lol
<cuttlebone> dan and kyu
<gkatsev> s/go/japanese/
<gkatsev> karate and kendo and everything use kyu and dan
<gkatsev> ninjitsu and aikido as well
<joelteon> so everybody's telling me not to buy a salvage title
<joelteon> Heh, ELLIOTTCABLE, I have valium for that
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it's not just that, though. it's just a metaphor for my life, lately.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> The majority of issues with my girlfriend are based on this.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> We've gotten to the point where she can't, in any way, let on that she's going out running … or I end up depressed, withdrawn, unhappy for the rest of the day. Bitter at *her*, or even if I manage to suppress that, still just *unhappy*, which she doesn't want to see happen.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> So she goes to great lengths to hide things like that from me.
<gkatsev> what's the problem with running?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> She'll deliberately not tell me what she's doing in the evening, so I won't know if she's going out drinking with friends that I don't know (bitter-making.), or there's a Blackhawks game on that she's excited about watching (bitter-making.), or if her roommate [works at a club] invited her out to go dancing with him (bitter-making.), or if she's going
<ELLIOTTCABLE> running (bitter-making.)
<ELLIOTTCABLE> there's a whole class of experiences from her past that We Can't Talk About™ for the same reasons.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> all cause the same sort of … bitter anxiety for me.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> the same sort of thing that listening to you guys talk about the Rocky Horror nonsense, causes in me.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> gkatsev: hard to explain in a forum such as this … easier in person …
<gkatsev> ok
<gkatsev> ELLIOTTCABLE: well, if you're ever in boston, let me know
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but something to do with “I'm physically unhealthy, and the primary reason is that I *don't want* to do stuff like that … and it hurts to watch somebody else successfully do it, successfully *want* to do it.”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm not unattractive looking in person, at all, but underneath the charisma and sleek clothing, I'm definitely of a mediocre body-type; and I have health issues that need dieting and aerobic exercise to overcome … which people don't realize, because they don't perceive me as fat …
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm thoroughly aware that I'll *never* solve that, unless I start to maintain a caloric deficit.
<niggler> do you walk at all ELLIOTTCABLE
<gkatsev> no, no, no. Caloric deficit is the worst thing.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> But I hate every aerobic activity with a livid passion. Can't stand running, hate running-nuts, cycling-nuts, the type of person who LOOKS FORWARD to going out in the rain or the muck in their fucking spandex and running around like a twat, who *looks forward* to choking and dying every other day on their burning lungs as they push themselves farther, and
<ELLIOTTCABLE> farther, and farther, and farther …
<ELLIOTTCABLE> anyway.
<joelteon> All you need to do is get rid of your car so you're forced to bike everywhere
<niggler> get a cart and walk to the grocery
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I see people who … *want* that stuff, who *aren't* paralyzed by how unhappy-making and uncompfortable-making it is, and can enjoy that part of life, and who can *be* healthy and happy …
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you don't understand.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm not talking lifehacks.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I've got plenty, believe me. (Side-note: I'm *already* biking and walking everywhere. Living in the city, fuckyeah. http://divvybikes.com, fuckyeah.)
<niggler> do you drink enough water?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I've broken the 10k steps every day for aaaaaaaages. Well, almost every day. Fitbit's been great for that.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> It's … not about the health. I can solve that with hacks.
<joelteon> talk to a psychologist
<niggler> how do you vent ELLIOTTCABLE
<gkatsev> niggler: ##ellitocable
<cuttlebone> gkatsev: oh ok i didn't know that
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I can lose weight if it becomes an actual issue, by dieting.
<niggler> err you mean #elliottcable gkatsev
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Point is, other people have an easy time of it, because they're insane. And I envy that insanity. I don't know how to share it, how to get to where they are.
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<gkatsev> niggler: yes, idk how that happened
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ugh the words aren't working >:
<gkatsev> cuttlebone: know what?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it's all tied up with hatred of sports, hatred of dancing.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> not really hatred. jealousy.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm jealous of people who have some brain-chunk that I'm missing.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Who can experience a *type* of pleasure, that I will never experience.
<cuttlebone> gkatsev: back to the dan/kyu topic :p
<cuttlebone> gkatsev: also, what about caloric deficits?
<gkatsev> cuttlebone: heh
<gkatsev> caloric defiicits are a terrible way to diet.
<niggler> btw http://by.elliottcable.name/ is down
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Most especially, I hate people in that category, whose response to ‘I am jealous of your <this>,’ is “Just try it!” or “Just let yourself go!” or “You'll enjoy it if you just do it!”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> or some bullshit like that
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: yeah that's an unproductive way
<ELLIOTTCABLE> dancing:
<cuttlebone> my roommate is a lot like you
<ELLIOTTCABLE> everybody who ‘knows’ how to dance.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> who goes to clubs.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I HATE them. With a burning, fiery passion.
<cuttlebone> so i realize that
<niggler> ELLIOTTCABLE its probably completely unrelated to dieting
<niggler> are you successful?
<niggler> do you consider yourself successful?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> They all talk about, to everybody around them, how NOTHING, sex, love, good food, professional fulfillment … is as fun/happy-making as dancing.
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: well i mean that's bullshit, i promise
<ELLIOTTCABLE> And yet, their response to those who *can't*, who *don't understand*, is some obscure ‘let yourself go!’ or ‘just feel the music’ or ‘just try it!’
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: but yeah i haven't gotten to really enjoy myself dancing in public at all
<cuttlebone> unless i'm super drunk
<cuttlebone> like last night
<cuttlebone> haha
<ELLIOTTCABLE> running, cycling: same thing. “I started out just like you! It sucked for me, too, at the start! You just need to go do it, and you'll enjoy it!”
<cuttlebone> but yeah dancing sober, i can't do it
<ELLIOTTCABLE> WELL I'VE DONE IT AND IT SUCKS. How the FUCK am I supposed to do it the fifty times in a row, hundred times in a row, that it apparently must take for my brain to break, and for me to start ENJOYING the pain of being unable to gaspingly breathe, being unable to move the next day from sore legs … IF I DON'T ENJOY IT?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> They're all goddamn catch-22s.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Except, not for all these *other* happy people.
<cuttlebone> yeah i don't know,
<cuttlebone> lots of things on your list of things
<cuttlebone> i'm where you are
<cuttlebone> but some, i've broken past
<cuttlebone> like running, it just took a whole fucking cross country season to love it
<cuttlebone> which was
<ELLIOTTCABLE> They're just catch-22's for me. (And 90% of the human race, I suppose. But I don't care about, or identify with, the other people who *can't* do the things … I just feel bitter, and hatred, and jealousy, of the 10% who do.)
<cuttlebone> 5+ miles per day, for months
<cuttlebone> so
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Rocky Horror. So much bitter-jealous of people who *can* go out into some new group of people, and get up on stage half-naked.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> But it's … like … bitter-jealous-hatred-JUDGE.
<cuttlebone> gkatsev: is it better to eat stuff with a lower glycemic index or whatever?
<gkatsev> yes
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I think runners are insane, and stupid. I can't help it. They look so goddamn terrible in their stupid spandex, they're *obviously* mentally unbalanced if they *like* doing this shit to themselves
<ELLIOTTCABLE> or dancers
<gkatsev> the "paleo" approach or low carb is so much better.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> club-goers
<cuttlebone> gkatsev: yeah seems lik eit
<ELLIOTTCABLE> (I'm theoretically starting Keto on monday, although not to lose weight)
<cuttlebone> my roommate is convinced that caloric deficit is the only thing you need and the only effective thing
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm with your roommate.
<cuttlebone> but i think
<ELLIOTTCABLE> low-carb is such bullshit, in terms of metabolic advantage
<gkatsev> cuttlebone: it is the *worst* thing.
<cuttlebone> people didn't maintain caloric deficits thousands of years ago
<ELLIOTTCABLE> the *only* benefit of keto/etc, is short-term psychological ones
<joelteon> i eat a lot of fucking food
<cuttlebone> they just ate foods with lower glycemic index
<joelteon> i also go to the gym
<gkatsev> ELLIOTTCABLE: keto *is* a low-carb diet.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> higher satiety, which aids in sticking with the diet in the first place, before you're comparable with it and with the routine …
<joelteon> but i'm mostly riding on my teenager metabolism to get me through it
<ELLIOTTCABLE> gkatsev: yes, I know.
<gkatsev> alright
<cuttlebone> high-glycemic-index foods have not been available until recently, coinciding with skyrocketing obesity levels
<ELLIOTTCABLE> gkatsev: I'm saying it's bullshit. I'm *doing* it for other reasons.
<cuttlebone> so it seems pretty clear-cut
* ELLIOTTCABLE shudders
<gkatsev> ELLIOTTCABLE: why are you saying it's bullshit?
<cuttlebone> low-carb seems like the *only* thing that's not bullshit among all the other bullshit
<ELLIOTTCABLE> there's never been a single metabolic-ward study that's shown a statistically significant benefit to keto, in terms of *weight loss*.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> The only benefits come when the study is conducted out-of-house.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Basically, in the hardcore studies comparing with other diets, everybody participating is *forced* to maintain the diet. For the study.
<gkatsev> ELLIOTTCABLE: all the people that i *trust* re: low-carb/paleo say that it isn't a fix for *everyone*.
<gkatsev> a diet needs to be tailored to the person
<ELLIOTTCABLE> The only place keto helps, is when the other diets aren't forced: i.e., it's easier to *stick with* keto, than with most diets
<gkatsev> some people are perfectly fine with eating junk 24/7. Others, aren't.
<drparse> cuttlebone: btw, going to see dave, kevin, eric and craig tomorrow!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> primarily because ketosis allows you to consume higher-satiety foods for the same caloric macros
<cuttlebone> drparse: who's that?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> drparse: who what where and why?
<drparse> cuttlebone: dave holland yo
<cuttlebone> drparse: oh fuck yes
<cuttlebone> drparse: jealous
<ELLIOTTCABLE> anyway, I'm personally doing keto basically because I'm being lovingly forced
<drparse> lovingly forced xD
<ELLIOTTCABLE> girlfriend INSISTS that she has more energy, wakes up easier every day (big deal for me.), and falls asleep instantly at night, BECAUSE OF KETO.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and those are all huge issues for me right now.
<gkatsev> ELLIOTTCABLE: from anecodtal evidence, my own, low carb *works*.
<drparse> ELLIOTTCABLE: you're rich enough, so go for it
<ELLIOTTCABLE> gkatsev: yes, my girlfriend lost, like, 45 lbs. I watched it happen.
<cuttlebone> yeah i honestly want to seriously lower carbs
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Point is not whether it works as a diet. Point is whether it's scientifically backed.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> i.e. whether or not there's any actual benefits in terms of metabolic advantage
<gkatsev> ELLIOTTCABLE: also, scientifically, it looks lik the diet that makes the most sense
<ELLIOTTCABLE> or, in plain english, whether or not you actually lose weight easier.
<gkatsev> bbl
<ELLIOTTCABLE> long story short, you don't.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> omg cuttlebone do keto with us? >:
<joelteon> someone give me a diet
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I could use a *logical* friend in this insanity.
<joelteon> i need to lose fat
<ELLIOTTCABLE> All the keto people around me are illogical. It's a pain.
<drparse> joelteon: eat less
<ELLIOTTCABLE> #ELLIOTTCABLE-Keto-Month? ;)
<joelteon> ok
<ELLIOTTCABLE> #ketolliott?
<joelteon> so if instead of three meals a day i eat two hamburgers
<ELLIOTTCABLE> #Ketoiott
<joelteon> is that ok
<niggler> joelteon do you cook?
<joelteon> no
<drparse> ELLIOTTCABLE: yeah, although cutting sugar obviously is scientifically backed
<niggler> you should
<joelteon> ok
<joelteon> buh but how
<drparse> and to go keto you have to do that
<ELLIOTTCABLE> drparse: yes, the science behind the explanation, is sound.
<niggler> cooking isn't that hard
<joelteon> yeah, i know
<niggler> stuff like salmon don't require much of anything
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but it's the conclusions drawn from the explanation that is demonstrably wrong
<joelteon> i've researched keto
<niggler> a little bit of oil
<joelteon> it's just extra work that i don't have the energy for
<drparse> I need to find things to snack on that don't contain sugar or bread
<joelteon> I barely have the energy to take a shower after work
<ELLIOTTCABLE> luckily, girlfriend's doing most of the cooking
<niggler> drparse oranges
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Keto is waaaaaaaay easier with two people working together
<niggler> well that has sugar
<drparse> niggler: oranges contain sugar lol
<purr> lol
<drparse> the meals I eat are healthy enough
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cooking for two is always easier than cooking for one.
<drparse> but the snacks are not
<joelteon> i basically can just get home and die on my bed
<ELLIOTTCABLE> we can share shopping trips, cook more complex and delicious recipes, etc.
<niggler> joelteon you have a weekend
<drparse> I'm forever stuffing myself full of chocolate
<niggler> unless you work 7 days a week
<joelteon> ok i have a weekend
<niggler> drparse dark or milk
<ELLIOTTCABLE> health-related point, but moving on from dieting …
<drparse> niggler: dark
<drparse> usually
<ELLIOTTCABLE> is anybody else here *ridiculously* affected by caffeine?
<niggler> that's not too bad
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: i'm moderately affected
<joelteon> I am
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I never thought it affected me much, until I stopped it for a week.
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: more than most of my friends
<drparse> niggler: still has a shitload of sugar in it
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Now I can barely handle a single cup of coffee.
<joelteon> I usually have quest bars for snacks
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I can't drink a caffeinated soda after three PM, or I have statistically-significantly-more-trouble sleeping.
<joelteon> i don't really eat carbs much
<niggler> ELLIOTTCABLE i stopped completely after starbucks issued a health warning
<joelteon> to be honest
<ELLIOTTCABLE> This shit is life-ruining.
<cuttlebone> i remember before i'd really drunk much coffee before, having like a large would make me super anxious for a few hours
<joelteon> Except in the evening
<ELLIOTTCABLE> *Right* after I discovered that I actually love coffee.
<joelteon> because I don't have the energy to make anything else
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I had coffee this morning, and I can barely type right now, I'm so shaky.
<drparse> I want something that doesn't mess with blood sugar too much
<niggler> the baristas at the union square starbucks refuse to take my orders
<ELLIOTTCABLE> okay.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> can we talk tech? I want to talk tech. All of these topics are too depressing for me.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> >:
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 'cause you love me so much and all. <3
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: ok tech
<cuttlebone> fpgas
<cuttlebone> cool shit
<joelteon> So I tried the sonicnet thing on github
* drparse sends ELLIOTTCABLE a package
<joelteon> I can hear the tones it makes
<joelteon> apparently the guy is too old to hear them
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yeah, have a Space dedicated to fpgas right now
<joelteon> fuck that
<ELLIOTTCABLE> trying to figure out what tooling I need to start, there
<joelteon> I'm trying to buy a car
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and secondarily, what architecture or chips I should get for more generic embedded shit
<ELLIOTTCABLE> i.e. home-automation, and other fun electronics-hackery
<joelteon> but I have to schedule the trips because it takes an insanely long time
<drparse> huh
<joelteon> to do anything here
<joelteon> because I only have a bicycle
<ELLIOTTCABLE> drparse: opinions, since whitequark is still asleep?
<drparse> just googled snacks for diabetics (I'm not diabetic but same principle)... one idea is popcorn
<drparse> that might actually work, because if you make it yourself it's just well corn
<ELLIOTTCABLE> music. music is another thing.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Somehow, my girlfriend, with a real job, and a jam-packed busy life that I get to watch the majority of, happen,
<ELLIOTTCABLE> manages to discover more music than me.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I find out about some new album or artist that I may like, I go look it up, and fucking Rdio shows me that little portrait in the bottom corner.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> “Chelsea has gotten here and marked this music before you ever heard of it! I'm telling you because I love you and enjoys watching you hurt! You're welcome”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> man, I have so many issues recently. |=
<ELLIOTTCABLE> all the same shit, though. Jealousy / bitterness, borne of anxiety in some way.
<whitequark> wow, that's a lot of backlog
<whitequark> so
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: re arduino: never seen that question.
<whitequark> but.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: well, you're embedded nut. I've had several embedded-devs in the far past tell me Arduino was *horrid*, just popular.
<whitequark> architecture? ARM hands down beats everything else, for you and 95% of other people. AVR is overpriced, underpowered and is going to die.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> like, the PHP of electronics hacking.
<whitequark> Arduino is a toy.
<whitequark> not in a bad sense
<whitequark> it's like LEGO, and what you would want is brick-and-mortar.
<cuttlebone> THIRD EYE SHARP
<cuttlebone> LIKE A MOTHERFUCKIN HAWK
<ELLIOTTCABLE> here's my concerns in order of importance:
<whitequark> so what I suggest you to do is to take some ARM chips, STM32 makes rather good ones, TI does it well too
<whitequark> and base your stuff on them.
<drparse> ELLIOTTCABLE: er what?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 1. ease of development / debugging (or, ‘community.’)
<drparse> reading
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 2. power-usage
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 3. price
<whitequark> well, you can't have a debugger on most AVRs
<ELLIOTTCABLE> given those, what's my best ARM chip? or best process for choosing one?
<whitequark> simply no such capability in the core. so, you're stuck with printf-debugging / led-debugging.
<whitequark> for 2. and 3., ARM beats AVR hands-down.
<drparse> opinions on what?
<drparse> what are you making
<whitequark> ok, there are whole series of ARM chips, literally hundreds, so it really depends on your workload
<whitequark> for example do you need RF? do you need DSP? do you need ADC/DAC? do you need CAN/Ethernet? just how much power saving do you need?
<whitequark> btw, power saving is not something you get just from the chip ("moore's law"), it's something you need to actively be involved in.
<whitequark> turning off the parts of chip you don't use, downscaling core and peripheral frequency, using chip capabilities as much as possible.
<drparse> yeah presumably when idle these things draw very little power
<drparse> WHAT ARE YOU MAKING
<whitequark> it's totally possible to make a sensor last five years on a single CR2032 with RF, you just have to invest a lot of fucks.
<whitequark> drparse: elliott wants a home automation system
<whitequark> then.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> idk what ANY of that means.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> can I get all of it, somehow? :D
<drparse> why do you need low power for a home automation system
<whitequark> any of what?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> more stuff available to me while I learn is probably a good thing.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> then I can optimize for cost-efficiency or power-efficiency if I need to buy more chips later.
<drparse> as long as it's not NetBurst, who cares
<ELLIOTTCABLE> drparse: because I want fifty, a hundred, five hundred devices around my house.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> sensors or actuators for *everything*.
<drparse> ELLIOTTCABLE: oh ok
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: well, decide if it's battery-powered or connected to a bus
<drparse> ELLIOTTCABLE: ...why
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I need small packages, and I *don't* need fucking 5v wall-warts using up every single outlet in my apartment.
<drparse> ELLIOTTCABLE: why do you need a chip on each one
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm going to be building some sort of expensive, small, high-efficiency battery pack into every device I build, or at least, that's the idea thus far.
<cuttlebone> whitequark: is there anything that's like, incredibly dumb and tiny
<cuttlebone> and cheap
<cuttlebone> that I can get literal thousands of
<ELLIOTTCABLE> “you just have to invest a lot of fucks.”
<cuttlebone> and make them swarm
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yeah, or more importantly, a lot of learning.
<whitequark> wait, you want reachargeability?
<whitequark> forget that idea, just put nonrechargeable lithium batteries in all of them
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm with cuttlebone here
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but *slightly* less scale-insane
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I don't have the time / manual-dexterity to make a thousand of ANYTHING.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but … a hundred? or five hundred? I could see myself doing, if I got excited enough or these projects go well enough.
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: prepare to not have anything even near what you want for a year, at least. maybe two.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: too big. I want smaller. Not these huge four-double-A battery packs or something.
<drparse> picaxe?
<whitequark> did you even listen to me?
<whitequark> CR2032
<ELLIOTTCABLE> not to mention the space for a door or something that I can remove the batteries *from*.
<whitequark> is pretty energy-dense
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I want to 3D print extremely tight enclosures for all of this;
<ELLIOTTCABLE> glue it all shut permanently.
<drparse> lol ELLIOTTCABLE
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: oh, sure. idcare timeline.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm gonna *play* with the same arduino-style shit as everyone else.
<drparse> ELLIOTTCABLE: how exactly are you going to automate things?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> boring LEDs soldered badly to boring boards.
<drparse> doesn't automation imply mains electricity?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but right now, choice-of-architecture, or choice-of-chip, is important
<cuttlebone> i want mine to be powered by ambient light and heat
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so the knowledge I gain in terms of toolkit and development practices and codebase,
<cuttlebone> can i do that
<whitequark> sigh
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: gimme +m
<ELLIOTTCABLE> trails along with my knowledge of the hardware practices.
<whitequark> if you want this discussion to go anywhere.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hmmmm
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttlebone, drparse: come along, if you like
<ELLIOTTCABLE> no, no mains-electricity.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'll be living in rented apartments in the near future. I can't go chopping-down / chopping-open walls to get electricity to whatever specific cabinet, or door-lock, or air-vent, or sink-faucet, that I need automative tooling installed at.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Everythings going to be low-impact add-on kind of thing. Stuff that clamps on, or temporarily-glues on. 3D printed to fit snugly in particular locations, with no wires or anything.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> preferably, no openings at all for some sorts of sensors, or only the sorts of openings I need for the given sensor;
<drparse> ELLIOTTCABLE: I didn't mean the chips powered by it, I meant they would be controlling things that run on mains
<drparse> like if you want to switch a house light on and off
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and for actuators or effectors, only whatever I need to interface: A single servo to turn a switch, or a couple leads to jack into some simple electrical system or control.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh, no
<vil> hi
<purr> vil: hi!
<vil> wow, purr's on the ball today
<drparse> ELLIOTTCABLE: ok I get it
<drparse> ELLIOTTCABLE: since you're rich you could just put a solar cell on each one! :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE> drparse: not all of them will have light available, but that's definitely a possibility.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> money is no object for me. ‘Exploring new paradigms,’ and having fun connecting things up in new or unexpected ways, is the goal.
<drparse> yeah I wasn't really serious, batteries are easier plus you want these things to work in the dark
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I want my bath to start filling when my alarm goes off, so I have a hot tub to look forward to when I crawl out of bed.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I want my shades to automatically adjust on sunny days, to allow my A/C to do less work.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and to follow the sun around my apartment, so the views that aren't letting sun in, can be open and beautiful.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I want my front-door to unlock when I check in on Foursquare, walking down the hall.
<drparse> ELLIOTTCABLE: would it not be possible to have one fat controller per room then?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I want my dog-bowls to automatically fill on time, whether I'm there or not.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> drparse: considered that. *Controllers* aren't so much the issue. The logic is likely to be extremely simple.
<drparse> but power is
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm basically needing to put a large number of arbitrary sensors, or arbitrary actuators, on a big ZigBee network.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> then I can have the control-system running on an Actual Computer™. Maybe a rapi, more likely a Mac Pro or something.
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> I won't need any sensor-reactive logic on any particular chip, or at least, I doubt I will.
<drparse> ELLIOTTCABLE: right but I'm just saying, you can have one controller do multiple tasks
<drparse> operate multiple servos
<ELLIOTTCABLE> only if they're physically close to each other.
<drparse> right
<drparse> well in one room they should be close enough
<drparse> though your apartment IS pretty big
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I refuse to have wires running everywhere. I live in a super-fancy modern beautiful apartment, and I'm putting a lot of effort into decorating.
<drparse> hm, what we need is wireless power
<ELLIOTTCABLE> by physically close, I mean within inches: small enough to place one, self-contained device “over” both of them.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> i.e. I'm willing to have a water-sensor and faucet-control in the same device, on the same controller.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> because I can put them both in one small self-contained device.
<drparse> I'm imagining you going around and changing 100 batteries
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but *not* willing to put the faucet-control, oven-control, fridge-sensors, all in one device
<ELLIOTTCABLE> because then I'd have to run wires all across my kitchen counter, wherever I live at that point.
<drparse> ELLIOTTCABLE: how many of these zigbee things can you have running in the same place?
<drparse> seems like you'd get interference
<drparse> if you had 100 of them
<ELLIOTTCABLE> presumably ZigBee is designed to handle that
<drparse> range 10 to 100 meters
<drparse> probably ok then if it's nearer 10 than 100
<ELLIOTTCABLE> zigbee is mesh
<ELLIOTTCABLE> more devices is supposed to improve, not damage, the reliability / quality of the network
<drparse> yeah but can't get around the laws of physics
<prophile> zigbee collapses if you so much as turn on a phone near it
* ELLIOTTCABLE nods
<ELLIOTTCABLE> prophile: ah? previous experience?
<prophile> yeah
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I've got some Phillips devices running it, but nothing hardcore yet
<prophile> we've tried to use them in SR a few times
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<drparse> maybe IR to a central room controller, then use wifi
<ELLIOTTCABLE> needs line-of-sight, though. Still too ugly. Meh.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark sez 6LoWPAN
<drparse> so put it on the ceiling :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE> six low pan! love the name.
<drparse> actually IR doesn't necessarily need line of sight, you can bounce it off walls (try with a TV remote)
<cuttlebone> mostly unrelated opinion:
<cuttlebone> we're spending all our time on making single threaded execution really fast, with pipelining and prediction and shit, wasting lots of power and effort and flip flops
<drparse> cuttlebone: agreed
<cuttlebone> when if we had programming languages that make parallel programming natural and easy, and lots and lots of low-power cores
<drparse> cuttlebone: don't forget cache coherence!
<cuttlebone> our lives would be not just as easy, but easier, and we would have way lower power consumption
<cuttlebone> drparse: oh yeah ew
<drparse> thankfully this is the way the world is going
* cuttlebone nods
<cuttlebone> too slowly for me though
<cuttlebone> i want change now
<cuttlebone> :p
<drparse> HOPE
<cuttlebone> also i feel like there haven't been *truly* good parallel languages
<cuttlebone> erlang is still imperative parallelism
<drparse> furrow!
<cuttlebone> with a sequential-parallel divide at some point in the hierarchy
<drparse> cuttlebone: you need a sequential parallel divide
<drparse> because lots of things are sequential
<cuttlebone> drparse: but you can make that divide at the LUT level
<cuttlebone> and make the sequential divisions above that be organic
<drparse> but then it becomes hard to understand
<cuttlebone> and in algorithm design encourage separation and parallelism rather than memory usage
<cuttlebone> how?
<cuttlebone> memory usage and speed etc.
<drparse> there's a couple of abstractions that I think work really well for parallelism
<cuttlebone> parallelism becomes one of the most important thigns in asymptotic analysis
<drparse> 1. task-based (rust, erlang, etc)
<drparse> 2. function based (e.g. parallel map in haskell)
<cuttlebone> i feel like the first one, while much better than pthreads, isn't orders of magnitude better
<cuttlebone> whereas 2, taken to a much fuller extreme than it has been
<cuttlebone> can be
<drparse> the first one models how parallelism works in the real world though
<cuttlebone> please tell me you didn't just say that
<drparse> lol but it's true
<purr> lol
<cuttlebone> look at particles
<cuttlebone> that's like parallelism at the LUT level
<cuttlebone> anyway you can say *anything* is how the real world owrks
<drparse> particles? as in sub atomic?
<cuttlebone> OOP with single inheritance and interfaces is how the real world works
<cuttlebone> drparse: yes
<drparse> it's just conceptually easy to imagine paralellism as a bunch of people in an office doing different jobs
<joelteon> lol
<joelteon> ok, so YOU design, YOU code, and YOU set it up for QA
<joelteon> all at the same time, GO
<cuttlebone> it's also conceptually easy to imagine parallelism as a + b where a and b are computed independently
<drparse> the guy in accounts doesn't need to know how the guy in IT fixes the network, as long as he does it
<cuttlebone> drparse: please stop your contrived real world examples
<cuttlebone> that's the one thing i hate the most
<cuttlebone> in pl design discussions
<drparse> it's not contrived
<cuttlebone> *any* comparison to how the "real world" works
<cuttlebone> like you can get *inspiration*
<cuttlebone> from like honey bees or the military
<cuttlebone> but the real world is not a fucking computer
<cuttlebone> (maybe it is but not in that way)
<drparse> but humans have to program it
<drparse> and so things which humans find the easiest, will be the best
<cuttlebone> and that is a close second to "real world" in what I hate in pl design discussions
<drparse> stop hating facts!
<cuttlebone> just because it's easy to organize *people* to work that way
<cuttlebone> people are akin to large, compilcated cores
<cuttlebone> so of course you have to use task-based parallelism with them
<drparse> depends how many people you have
* drparse shrugs
<purr> ¯\(º_o)/¯
<ELLIOTTCABLE> woah
<ELLIOTTCABLE> fuckin fuck
<ELLIOTTCABLE> too many multitasks
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -clouds
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: is stuck up in the clouds; hilight 'em if you want 'em.
<jdhartley> ¯\(º_o)/¯
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: haha multitasks
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: we were talking about parallelism
<drparse> cuttlebone: the one problem is I/O because neither function nor task based parallelism are very good for that
<drparse> you could call that heterogeneous communication
<cuttlebone> we need a generalization of function-based though, not plain old function-based
<ELLIOTTCABLE> maybe I/O is what needs to change.
<drparse> heterogeneous communication: code talking to the outside world
<drparse> homogeneous communication: a task talking to another task
<prophile> abstract your IO into FRP
<cuttlebone> drparse: treat them like there is no difference
<cuttlebone> drparse: then you will have reached enlightenment
<drparse> autogeneous communication: code talking to itself
<drparse> cuttlebone: that's fine until you have to talk to a mysql db :P
<cuttlebone> drparse: model the sql db interface such that it is still fine
<cuttlebone> such lack of imagination
<drparse> cuttlebone: maybe you're right
<drparse> so have a mysql task
<drparse> where the methods are things like execute
<drparse> hey that is a sort of enlightenment cuttlebone
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm so lost in this conversation. UGH. CAN'T MULTITASK THIS WELL.
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: stop treating I/O and API/program boundaries like different things
<drparse> yeah
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: because they're fundamentally the same, and when you recognize and act on that, you will have reached enlightenment
<drparse> I/O is just one task talking to another task
<drparse> parallelism is just one task talking another talk
<drparse> *task
* ELLIOTTCABLE lol's
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> my mind's immediate response to that:
<cuttlebone> conal puts it better than i can
<cuttlebone> "after numbers, then strings, and then pixels, are phosphors the end? (Sorry for the obsolete technology.) After phosphors come photons. After photons comes retina & optic nerve. Then cognitive processing (and emotional and who-knows-what-else). Then, via motor control, to mouse, keyboard, joystick etc. Then machine operating system, and software again.
<cuttlebone> Round & round. More importantly, our interactions with other wetware organisms and with our planet and cosmos, and so on."
<drparse> but keep pmap around because it's useful
<ELLIOTTCABLE> “That's the point of Paws being distributed.”
<cuttlebone> drparse: just make it map
<cuttlebone> What looks like imperative output can be just what you observe at the boundary between two subsystems.
<drparse> cuttlebone: problem is knowing whether the operation is expensive or not
<drparse> suppose you could JIT that
<cuttlebone> what i think is
<cuttlebone> we need some kind of way to change execution details like that
<drparse> if you have [1,2,3].map(x: x*2)
<cuttlebone> that is specified not where the actual code is written
<prophile> A novice came to ELLIOTTCABLE and said, "ELLIOTTCABLE, how do we handle I/O in a distributed manner?" ELLIOTTCABLE turned to the novice and shot him. Then, the novice was enlightened.
<drparse> you don't want that to be parallel
<drparse> hahaha prophile
<cuttlebone> drparse: what if "cores" can only do one binary mult
<cuttlebone> then it has to be
<cuttlebone> i mean it'd be sequential
<cuttlebone> because 3 numbers
<cuttlebone> prophile: :D
<drparse> cuttlebone: I feel like that would not be efficient
<cuttlebone> drparse: it's fpgas
<cuttlebone> drparse: which are quite efficient
<drparse> cuttlebone: ok well in a fpga sure
<drparse> but then you have other problems
<cuttlebone> anyway i imagine an fpga-like architecture with very heavy jitting
<cuttlebone> like fpgas are not jit at all
<cuttlebone> but if you can find some way to have homoiconicity like von neumann processors
<cuttlebone> then you just tweak the parallelism right there
<cuttlebone> you can have like supervisors
<cuttlebone> that are aware of the space available for a given program
<drparse> I don't like this future.
<cuttlebone> why not?
<drparse> I like having... conditionals :P
<cuttlebone> you...will
<ELLIOTTCABLE> learning so much
<drparse> branch prediction is fundamentally useful!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> guys come lurk #AUTOMATIOTT with me
<ELLIOTTCABLE> :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -how's the bitcoin doing
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -how's the bitcoin doing?
<drparse> I think CPUs are a very optimal design for real world needs
<cuttlebone> drparse: branch prediction becomes irrelevant when each branch is a literal separate branch in a circuit
<drparse> they're just too big
<ELLIOTTCABLE> fucking CHRIST it's over 200$ now
<drparse> ELLIOTTCABLE: yeah
* drparse does a rich person dance with ELLIOTTCABLE
<ELLIOTTCABLE> drparse: we need to talk shop briefly, by the way.
<drparse> sure
<ELLIOTTCABLE> drparse, cuttlebone: November obviously isn't going to happen. I've got Chicago-lyfe™ stuff taking up my time.
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: aight :(
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but I'm thinking, perhaps after micah's winter break?
<cuttlebone> anyway nanowrimo
<cuttlebone> but yeah that sounds good
<cuttlebone> because that means after finals
<ELLIOTTCABLE> when classes will be easy, post-break, no tests, etc?
<drparse> ELLIOTTCABLE: I'm going to be busy all november anyway
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yeah.
<drparse> ELLIOTTCABLE: something VERY IMPORTANT came up
* ELLIOTTCABLE nods
<ELLIOTTCABLE> works out well for all of us, then.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> when do you get back from classes, micah?
<cuttlebone> drparse: at liberty to discuss?
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: hm? today?
<drparse> cuttlebone: nope! sworn to secrecy :P
<cuttlebone> drparse: aight :p
<drparse> cuttlebone: you'll find out in a month
<drparse> talking of that I shouldn't be wasting time on IRC
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttlebone: no, uh
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttlebone: when do you get back from Christmas break?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I wouldn't mind doing *some* stuff during break … but I may have plans, and the chances are good that you guys would end up having some, too
<ELLIOTTCABLE> trying to schedule, here.
<cuttlebone> oh god
<cuttlebone> my stomach is all kinds of upset at me
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: uh not sure
<cuttlebone> classes begin january 6
<cuttlebone> classes end december 13 this semester
<ELLIOTTCABLE> learning SO MUCH SHIT
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what's the best way to send bitcoin to somebody without an address (*glares at whitequark*)
<cuttlebone> someone should write sniffers that find any bitcoins being sent unsafely and snaps em up
<ELLIOTTCABLE> how can you tell if it's unsafe?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> i.e. how can you tell if the private-key for the address has been transmitted out-of-channel?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh my god sudden idea:
<ELLIOTTCABLE> make a huge transaction to a newly-generated address,
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and encode the privkey for that address *in the blockchain*.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> See how long it takes to get snapped up.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> (as the public note, I mean.)
<ELLIOTTCABLE> a dude at the conference I was just at, put a QR code on the screen, with free money in it, during his talk
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I think he was demonstrating how terrible bitcoin is, in terms of U/X, or something
<ELLIOTTCABLE> nobody managed to take the money until *that night*, like, hours later
<cuttlebone> haha nice
<ELLIOTTCABLE> in a room full of geeks, most of whom are at least bitcoin-knowledgeable, if not fully bitcoin-capable
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: i thought you could transfer bitcoins by just like
<cuttlebone> giving a number
<cuttlebone> and so it could snap those up
<cuttlebone> lol
<purr> lol
<cuttlebone> probably a misguided idea
<cuttlebone> but yeah
<ELLIOTTCABLE> well, yeah
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I could drop the privkey on IRC. but that's too much work.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I want a nicely-UI'd end-user-service for “Send money to a newly-generated address, and then e-mail a link, that lets the person clicking it claim that money.”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> something that basically e-mails them the privkey to take the money.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> that's GOTTA exist. come on, I could write it in a few hours?
<cuttlebone> yeah :p
<ELLIOTTCABLE> omg
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark's gonna come to the U.S. and teach me embedded development stuff.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> should definitely do a paws meetup while he's here, at some conference.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> who wants to do RobotsConf? :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE> http://robotsconf.com
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Dec 6/7, Florida.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> shit, sold out. I hate my life.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> >.>
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: btw I gave you an address
<whitequark> 16x8U8xp7FWdN7YEmLKQVijgrRfyVWHT32
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -queue abc
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -queue def
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -queue ghi
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -dequeue
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: <ELLIOTTCABLE> abc
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -dequeue
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: <ELLIOTTCABLE> def
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -dequeue
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: <ELLIOTTCABLE> ghi
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -dequeue
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: The queue is empty.
<cuttlebone> god vampire weekend is so fucking good
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -queue abc @ cuttlebone
* ELLIOTTCABLE -dequeue @ cuttlebone
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -dequeue @ cuttlebone
<purr> cuttlebone: <ELLIOTTCABLE> abc
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hm.
<cuttlebone> hahaha
<ELLIOTTCABLE> k!
<cuttlebone> i remember that
<ELLIOTTCABLE> always forget how that shit works.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> fuckin' fifo, really?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> need to go refactor it to be lifo. ಠ_ಠ
<ELLIOTTCABLE> man. I want a lab.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I need to go to a school, so I can have a lab.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Even *I* can't reasonably afford a high-quality CNC, a spectrum analyzer, a high-end logic analyzer with many channels, a *proper* mill, a high-resolution 3D printer …
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I WANT TO PLAY WITH ALL THE TOYS DAMNIT
<ELLIOTTCABLE> actually, the sad thing, is that I *can* afford all that, but I'd hate myself if I invested and got bored. >,>
<whitequark> OH MY GOD
<whitequark> what the actual fuck
<whitequark> someone in llvmdev ML writes there in blue comic sans ms
<whitequark> nonironically
<ELLIOTTCABLE> how the FUCK did you put comic sans in my irccloud
<ELLIOTTCABLE> OH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCK
<ELLIOTTCABLE> IRCCLOUD PUTS THE WORDS “COMIC SANS” IN COMIC SANS
<whitequark> lol
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> no srsly
<ELLIOTTCABLE> http://ell.io/iKX2b
<vil> lolol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Does it work with Impact? or Trebuchet? What about Times?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> huh. damn.
<vil> how about Chalkboard
<vil> Webdings
<vil> Wingdings
<ELLIOTTCABLE> nothin'. just comic sans.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> vil: you in in #AUTOMATIOTT right now? this is the beeessst thiiiinnngg
<ELLIOTTCABLE> vil: where do you live?
<vil> Houghton, MI during the school year
<vil> why
<ELLIOTTCABLE> omfg michigan
<ELLIOTTCABLE> how come you haven't come down to Chicago for the weekend. ;)
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you need to meet JD. You're his age, right?
<vil> idk, how old is he?
<vil> I'm 19
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 19 now, I think
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yep
<vil> sweeet
<ELLIOTTCABLE> jdhartley, dskuza are both your age
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you gotta come down and hang (=
<vil> I definitely want to go back to Chicago at some point soon
<vil> been there once before
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh you're waaaaaaaay the fuck north
<vil> yeah
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 8 hours
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you're as far away as goddamn minneapolis wtf
<vil> haha
<ELLIOTTCABLE> further
<ELLIOTTCABLE> god damn michigain is big
<vil> yes it is
<vil> my grandparents live in Holland, MI, so I'm down that way to visit every couple of months
<vil> took the train to Chicago from there
<vil> ELLIOTTCABLE: have you listened to Calamari Tuesday yet?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> idfk what that is
<ELLIOTTCABLE> spotify-inbox it to me
<vil> new Feed Me album
<vil> don't have Spotify
<vil> I think you mentioned a track from it on twitter the other day tho, so it must be there
<ELLIOTTCABLE> New feed me alubbmmb?!?!?!"Q
<ELLIOTTCABLE> AT"_A{IMWTU( _#u9 -[e5k,=e50 ['
<ELLIOTTCABLE> PR {I
<ELLIOTTCABLE> FUCKIN GONNA DIE
<ELLIOTTCABLE> BRB DROPPING EVERYTHING
<ELLIOTTCABLE> OHHH EMMMM EFFF GEEE
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wtf rdio doesn't even have Feed Me
<ELLIOTTCABLE> fuck Rdio
<purr> <gkatsev> alexgordon: you aren't even on the right continent
<vil> ELLIOTTCABLE: if all else fails to have it, https://soundcloud.com/feedme/sets/feed-me-calamari-tuesday
<vil> it's FULL LENGTH
<ELLIOTTCABLE> fuck soundcloud
* ELLIOTTCABLE grins happily
<ELLIOTTCABLE> spotify has it, of course
<ELLIOTTCABLE> already listening
<ELLIOTTCABLE> why are you not on spottily ಠ_ಠ
<vil> hence "if all else fails"
<vil> because it costs more money than I'm already spending for the same amount of functionality I already have or care about
<cuttlebone> and if the devil is six then
<cuttlebone> GOD IS SEVEN
<cuttlebone> THEN GOD IS SEVEN
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: lul spottily
<vil> grooveshark's been flakey lately though, so I might give it a try soon
<ELLIOTTCABLE> want a gift membership? :3
<vil> I wouldn't say no to one :)
* ELLIOTTCABLE laughs
<ELLIOTTCABLE> e-mail (=
<vil> oh wow Chinchilla
<cuttlebone> <3 parachute
<purr> Let it be known that cuttlebone hearts parachute.
<cuttlebone> not the new album though
<vil> ELLIOTTCABLE: vilhalmer at gmail
<cuttlebone> i forgave their unapologetic poppiness because it was really really solid pop punk
<cuttlebone> like fall out boy and panic at the disco
<cuttlebone> and connected with me emotionally
<cuttlebone> but the new album is shitty electronics
<cuttlebone> like, leave that to those who are good at it
<cuttlebone> like tegan and sara and lorde
<cuttlebone> vil: will listen after this parachute song
<cuttlebone> :p
<vil> kk
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wtf
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you can't buy Spotify e-cards in the U.S.?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> that's fucking weird …
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I have to buy one in person. At, like, a Walmart.
<vil> wat
<vil> ELLIOTTCABLE: that's ok, I'll give it a try soon anyway
<cuttlebone> fucking greatest term
<vil> lol
<purr> lol
<cuttlebone> "An alternative term, "pleasingly parallel," has gained some use, perhaps to avoid the negative connotations of embarrassment in favor of a positive reflection on the parallelizability of the problems.
<cuttlebone> "
<cuttlebone> omg so much nostalgia from these parachute songs
<jdhartley> elliottcable: hey man I'm 20
<ELLIOTTCABLE> jdhartley: :D
<jdhartley> so is dave
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh really?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> where are your fake IDs, damnit
<ELLIOTTCABLE> man, *micah* is like 17 now
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I feel old ;_;
<cuttlebone> jdhartley: birthday?
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: 18
<cuttlebone> since june
<ELLIOTTCABLE> omfg micah can legally have sex
<vil> haha
<ELLIOTTCABLE> my life is ruined
<cuttlebone> lolol
<cuttlebone> ex girlfriend turned 19 today
<cuttlebone> didn't remember until just now
<drparse> what's the age of consent in utah?
<vil> I keep forgetting that I'm 19
<vil> drparse: 47
<gkatsev> ELLIOTTCABLE: you can legallyhave sex before 18 as well
<cuttlebone> we have one friend who is 19
<drparse> vil: haha
<cuttlebone> so he can get the tobacco products when necessary
<vil> I keep forgetting that I can buy tobacco stuff too
<drparse> "The age of consent in Utah is 18. However, it is legal for minors aged 16 and 17 to engage in sexual activity with partners less than 10 years older."
<cuttlebone> gkatsev: you're cool, do I follow you on twitter?
<cuttlebone> oh i don't. followed
<gkatsev> heh, cool
<drparse> wait so someone who is 16 can have sex with someone who is 26 but not someone who is 27
<drparse> that makes sense
<vil> sounds good yeah
<jdhartley> vil: my birthday was last week yeah
<vil> happy birthday!
<jdhartley> thanks :)
<gkatsev> drparse: wait, what?
<drparse> gkatsev: yep
<cuttlebone> jdhartley: happy birthday!
<gkatsev> the age of conset and the "grace" period varies from state to state/country to country
<drparse> gkatsev: this is utah
<vil> oh my god I love Feed Me
<gkatsev> and accross state lines also
<gkatsev> drparse: yeah, it's crazy.
<gkatsev> Penn and Teller did a show on it on Bullshit.
<drparse> in the UK it's 16+, that's it.
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm glad that gkatsev is talking in here now
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm slowly stealing people from #inimino ;)
<gkatsev> ELLIOTTCABLE: I talk here sometimes.
<gkatsev> ELLIOTTCABLE: I talk in #inimino also
<ELLIOTTCABLE> he'll come back from his sabbatical to find that he *has* to frequent #ELLIOTTCABLE! It's my diabolical plan!
<gkatsev> I've been talking less in ##js and others
<gkatsev> ELLIOTTCABLE: lol
<purr> lol
<gkatsev> ELLIOTTCABLE: isn't here in this channel already anyway?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hm?
<gkatsev> inimino is in the channel
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yeah, he speaks her
<ELLIOTTCABLE> here*
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but it's usually restricted to passively listening, and “hms.”
<gkatsev> that's true
<ELLIOTTCABLE> My goal is to make this the go-to idling channel, and the place where people come *to* talk about things.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> It's worked very well for most of the people I know.
<gkatsev> heh
<gkatsev> I have several of these channels, lol
<gkatsev> one is for college friends and stuff
<gkatsev> this, #inimino
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I tend to suck people in as visitors at first, then lurkers (secondary channel they read sometimes), and finally driving them to make it their ‘primary channel’, either with excellent content, addictive arguments, or some other social hack
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm fairly good at it. ;)
<gkatsev> and a channel that used to be the webos-watercooler, now, #mobile-watercooler. It's basically just me and two others. And sometimes a 4th.
<gkatsev> been talking to them since the Palm pre originally came out.
<vil> I spend a lot of time in #megabitsapp now
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> what the fuck is that
<vil> MegaBits is a monster training game that is played in the real world.
<vil> lol I have a TextExpander for that
<purr> lol
<vil> anyway, it's like geo-located Pokémon
<vil> the channel is rarely on-topic, though
<ELLIOTTCABLE> … lol
<vil> it's usually me and @sarcasticsimba talking about coding projects
<ELLIOTTCABLE> get him in here, bitchtits
<ELLIOTTCABLE> opinions?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> SO much shit to learn.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> this is excellent.
<jdhartley> i like that sarcastic fellow
<vil> I need to learn about this stuff as well
<ELLIOTTCABLE> jdhartley: lol yes
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> vil: then why aren't you participating in #AUTOMATIOTT? ;)
<vil> I'm lurking
<vil> don't have much to contribute at the moment
<ELLIOTTCABLE> don't need to
<ELLIOTTCABLE> (=
<vil> also holy shit, No Grip
<vil> third-to-last song
<ELLIOTTCABLE> need to plug my subs in
<ELLIOTTCABLE> currently have some Bowers & Wilkins MM1s on the kitchen island
<vil> wish I had subs
<vil> my speakers are about to die, so I'll have an excuse to get a good system
<ELLIOTTCABLE> vil: think I like Rat Trap.
<vil> Rat Trap was excellent too, yeah
<cuttlebone> soouuup
<cuttlebone> soup
<cuttlebone> ramen is literally
<cuttlebone> carbs
<cuttlebone> :(
<cuttlebone> in water, in a bowl
<vil> but yummy carbs
<drparse> cuttlebone: oh don't start this carbs are bad bullshit :P
<cuttlebone> drparse: humanity gained access to large quantities of high-glycemic-index calories
<cuttlebone> drparse: and then became obese
<cuttlebone> seems clear cut to me
<drparse> cuttlebone: no.
<drparse> cuttlebone: can't just tar all "carbs" with the same brush
<drparse> cuttlebone: in many places people have been eating "carbs" for thousands of years
<cuttlebone> sure of course
<drparse> in fact I'd say "carbs" are humanities primary food source historically speaking
<vil> since agriculture became a thing, that's pretty accurate, yeah
<drparse> in africa they eat carbs, in south america they eat carbs, in medieval europe they ate carbs, in asia they eat a lot of carbs
<vil> we just don't do anything to use them up now
<drparse> meat has always been an uncommon treat
<drparse> and environments where humans can eat meat as their primary source of energy are rare
<purr> <micahjohnston> well, I don't usually incorporate dicks into my typeclasses
<drparse> now... sugar... that stuff is toxic!
<drparse> but things like potatoes, maize or rice? don't believe it
<cuttlebone> all right
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hm
<ELLIOTTCABLE> who wants to get into this shit with me?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'll send you gear, 'cause love and all that
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I like Learning With Friends™.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> was supposed to SICP with jdhartley, but that kinda fell through >:
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<drparse> cuttlebone: it's only due to modern large-scale farming that a ketogenic diet is in any way economical, so unless you're Alaskan it's not natural ;)
<cuttlebone> hm
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: i really do
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what about being Alaskan?
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: always wanted to do hardware stuff
<drparse> ELLIOTTCABLE: lots of snow, few plants
<drparse> same goes for scandinavia, their cuisine contains a large amount of meat
<drparse> compared to more southern regions
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<ec-Textual> fuckin' fuck
<ec-Textual> think irccloud went down or something
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> ah, there we go
<ELLIOTTCABLE> “I just came across LeafLabs the other day, and I thought Maple looked pretty cool. Then I thought Maple native looked better, since I don't have any real Arduino investment. And then I saw Oak, and I must say, it would be inappropriate to publicly describe my autonomic physiological reaction. Damn, that's an exciting idea!”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> “… And then I saw Oak, and I must say, it would be inappropriate to publicly describe my autonomic physiological reaction. …”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> “… my autonomic physiological reaction. …”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lol'd
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> unrelated, I'm pissed that I live in Chicago right now, 'cause:
<purr> <alexgordon> Judofyr: don't worry, micahjohnston is practically in kindergarten
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi all
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<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: i want to talk about intelligence
<cuttlebone> a lot of the time forming a mental model seems like constructing a phase space
<cuttlebone> and representing things as points in it
<cuttlebone> and for instance decisions can be made as approach-avoidance gradients/maximization functions
<cuttlebone> i want to think of a way that brains effortlessly construct these new spaces
<cuttlebone> and unify this model with a connectionist one
<cuttlebone> perhaps the connections in a connectionist model are simply mappings between different spaces
<cuttlebone> hmmmmmm
<cuttlebone> perhaps multi dimensional spaces are simply a collection of mappings between each single dimension
<cuttlebone> this is all way too vague in my head
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<cuttlebone> also it needs to be uniform all the way through
<ELLIOTTCABLE> “connectionist?”
<cuttlebone> stimuli need to be represented as the same as an internal impulse and an output
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: representing the brain/intelligence as a big ol graph of connected concepts
<cuttlebone> and one concept triggers the related ones
<cuttlebone> i want to know how a brain turns from a baby's mush into an adult's map, largely static on a large scale
<ELLIOTTCABLE> can't multitask this much
<ELLIOTTCABLE> too much active discussion in #AUTOMATIOTT
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and, plans tonight, so am stressing over wrapping up current thought-processes, and cleaning my place and shit
<ELLIOTTCABLE> also hungry also tired also UGH
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I feel really ill.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I think that Chinese was really, really bad.
* ELLIOTTCABLE blanches bloodless
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> wtf vil
<vil> ELLIOTTCABLE: I blame Twitter
<ELLIOTTCABLE> nobt srsly wtf vil
<vil> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
* ELLIOTTCABLE shrugs @ vil
<purr> ¯\(º_o)/¯
<ELLIOTTCABLE> purr's is better. ;)
<purr> <purr> elliottcable: a box of lights
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what
<purr> <sephr> ok so the board is now forcing you to op me Deamonboy
<purr> <alexgordon> When in salmon's vagina are you going to finish Pause?
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