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<trolling>
what the hell is going on in the bitcoin market
<trolling>
high price $900.98
<alextgordon>
trolling: US government decided they liked bitcoin
<trolling>
like as in the facebook mechanism?
<alextgordon>
¿
* trolling
‽
<alextgordon>
search for bitcoin senate hearing
<trolling>
yeah, reading the article now
<joelteon>
900?????
<joelteon>
omfg
<joelteon>
if i had invested in bitcoin
<joelteon>
i would be fucking rich
<joelteon>
right now
<alextgordon>
joelteon: it's not 900
<trolling>
that was the maximum
<trolling>
it's around 750 right now
<joelteon>
o
<alextgordon>
oh actualyl I suppose it is
<alextgordon>
951 on btcchina
<trolling>
fuck
<alextgordon>
I thought it was take a few days to get to 1000
<alextgordon>
looks like tomorrow is the day
<alextgordon>
nice.
<trolling>
for me the threshold is going to be ~1300
<joelteon>
feeling good about buying those, alextgordon
<trolling>
at which point going by XAU bitcoins will be literally worth more than gold
<alextgordon>
joelteon: I didn't buy them in the end -_-
<joelteon>
oh lol
<purr>
lol
<alextgordon>
joelteon: so feeling bad, but I still have bitcoins
<alextgordon>
so
<alextgordon>
feeling good!
<trolling>
I have a house
<joelteon>
i would've bought like, 4
<alextgordon>
I should have asked elly if I could buy half of them
<joelteon>
if i had thought of it
<trolling>
my investments are more practical
<joelteon>
and then i would've made >4000
<joelteon>
ffuuuuucckkkk me
<alextgordon>
joelteon: I tell you, just buy some
<alextgordon>
it's worth it for the feeling of insanity to it all
<joelteon>
can't afford it now
<trolling>
when it crashes
<trolling>
it's gonna crash HARD
<alextgordon>
joelteon: buy SOME bitcoins
<joelteon>
how much bitcoin can you buy
<alextgordon>
any amount
<trolling>
I think they go down to 8 decimal places
<joelteon>
oh
<joelteon>
then i might
<joelteon>
yeah
<joelteon>
that's a good idea
<alextgordon>
much more fun watching it go up when you have some
<alextgordon>
it's like vegas but with better odds
<joelteon>
how often do you have to check
<joelteon>
seems like the kind of thing i might forget
<alextgordon>
check what?
<joelteon>
btc price
<alextgordon>
eh I check a few times a day when it's manic like this
<alextgordon>
maybe once a week when it's not :P
<alextgordon>
I think I made like a few $k today o_O
<trolling>
I've been checking hourly, because every hour one friend of mine PMs me something along the lines of "I'm so fucking rich"
<alextgordon>
:D
<alextgordon>
I tell you, I'm just kicking myself for not trusting my instincts
<joelteon>
where do you buy bitcoin
<alextgordon>
when it was at about 200 I said "you know, the last 2 crashes were due to mtgox fucking up. since they're out of the picture now I really can't see it crashing this time"
<alextgordon>
so far I've been right
<alextgordon>
joelteon: now that is the hard bit
<alextgordon>
joelteon: most people use coinbase or localbitcoins. there's also bitstamp but I think that's harder for US people
<alextgordon>
the thing that worries me is the price disparity
<alextgordon>
there's a HUGE FUCKING GAP between bitstamp, gox and btcchina
<alextgordon>
and it's widening by the day
<joelteon>
why is that bad
<alextgordon>
because people need to know what price bitcoin is
<alextgordon>
if the prices are like $100 apart, nobody has a clue what a bitcoin is actually worth
<joelteon>
who does know
<alextgordon>
oh it's not worth anything but people need a single number
<alextgordon>
they can point to and say "that's the price of bitcoins right now"
<alextgordon>
all we can say ATM is that the price of bitcoins is somewhere between $600 and $1000
<alextgordon>
which is not very specific :P
<joelteon>
that's pretty good
<joelteon>
better than $240
<alextgordon>
no it's not good for the bitcoin economy at all
<alextgordon>
if it continues it'll lead to a crash
<alextgordon>
usually someone would arb it
<alextgordon>
but because china is really detached from the rest of the world, that's easier said than done right now
<alextgordon>
and gox has its problems too
<joelteon>
oh
<jvulc>
lol imaginary nerd money.
<purr>
lol
* jvulc
runs
<alextgordon>
jvulc: magic beans!
<joelteon>
it's definitely imaginary, but the profits aren't
<alextgordon>
cuttle: I'm building a giant graph of all the object dependencies, so I can infer ownership
<alextgordon>
work out strong/weak refs
<cuttle>
oh wow
<cuttle>
i love your approach to dev though
<alextgordon>
xD
<cuttle>
so much actual metaprogramming
<alextgordon>
python all the things
<alextgordon>
the hardest bit is that every block is like its own little class
<cuttle>
oh god yeah sounds bad
<alextgordon>
with weak and strong "instance variables" captured
<alextgordon>
so I'm finding all the blocks, then culling any which have short lifetimes
<alextgordon>
like stuff passed to dispatch_async
<cuttle>
but yeah i think with a lot of compile-time metaprogramming in python, c/objc could be bearable
<alextgordon>
the rest I'll have to go over one by one
<cuttle>
:p
<cuttle>
aw man, i wish you luck
<alextgordon>
I have approximately one year until 10.10 I figure
<alextgordon>
it's doable!
<alextgordon>
:P
<cuttle>
haha
<cuttle>
tell me what i should make a game in
<cuttle>
i kind of want to release it on steam and eventually on ios and android
<cuttle>
yknow
<cuttle>
is python packageable in a way that's releaseable on steam, dyou think?
<cuttle>
because i've recently fallen in love with python
<cuttle>
or i could go the pukeworthy c++ route
<alextgordon>
hm
<alextgordon>
rust? :P
<alextgordon>
ocaml?
<alextgordon>
yeah I dunno. python is so slow
<cuttle>
actually, last time i wrote a game in c++ it was a mixed experience. i had enough control over every detail of the architecture that it was really solid from the ground up, but dev time took a long time to accelerate
<alextgordon>
right
<cuttle>
eh, rust needs to fix up its fucking linear typing
<alextgordon>
objc is definitely the easiest
<alextgordon>
but it limits you to ios and mac
<cuttle>
yeah honestly objc sounds fun but yeah
<cuttle>
hm maybe unity
<alextgordon>
the new spritekit stuff is brilliant
<cuttle>
and java/js
<cuttle>
i want to make a hexagonal tactics game
<alextgordon>
my hand is 28°C, I think I might get frostbite just sitting here IRCing
<cuttle>
haha
<cuttle>
wait isn't that hot
<cuttle>
28°C
<alextgordon>
body temperature is 37
<cuttle>
oh
<cuttle>
i guess for environment temperature it's hot
<cuttle>
id you stick a thermometer under your skin
<cuttle>
didd
<cuttle>
did
<cuttle>
god how will i survive until tonight
<alextgordon>
nah IR thermometer :P
<alextgordon>
for comparison my chest is 36
<alextgordon>
cause it has important shit in it I guess
<cuttle>
:p
<cuttle>
feeling that sick pit in my stomach
<alextgordon>
btw IR thermometer is the best thing you can buy to improve your cooking.
<cuttle>
good ol sleep deprivation
<cuttle>
oh yeah i've heard that
<cuttle>
i think
<cuttle>
i kind of want to have a house
<cuttle>
for a lot of reasons
<cuttle>
one of them cooking
<alextgordon>
yeah
<alextgordon>
cooking is chemistry that you can eat!
<alextgordon>
:D
<cuttle>
I'm guessing you're an alton brown fan?
<alextgordon>
nah
<alextgordon>
reddit goes on about him
<alextgordon>
never seen any of his stuff
<cuttle>
you'd like it
<cuttle>
super chemistry/sciencey cooking show called Good Eats
<cuttle>
only watched a couple episodes but they're *great*
<cuttle>
god Google+ needs to kill itself
<alextgordon>
we have loads of celeb chefs in the UK :P there's god damn dozens of them
<cuttle>
haha
<cuttle>
oh god class is in an hour and a half
<cuttle>
and it lasts from 8:35 until 1:45
<cuttle>
tuesdays are my longest day
<alextgordon>
cuttle: definitely a harold mcgee fan
<alextgordon>
and heston when he's not doing stupid shit
<cuttle>
hm
<alextgordon>
like building buildings out of food
<cuttle>
haven't heard of these
<alextgordon>
cuttle: harold mcgee: on food and cooking -- pirate it!
<alextgordon>
:P
<cuttle>
haha
<cuttle>
stil figuring out my pirating system
<alextgordon>
I would have thought that would have been the first step!
<cuttle>
since it's a kick-outable offense on your second warning if the media companies contact the school
<cuttle>
I believe
<cuttle>
and mostly i watch things on netflix, and listen on spotify, or watch my roommate's pirated material
<alextgordon>
you can finally watch all the porn and pirate all the math tomes you want!
<cuttle>
well the first thing i did was pirate ableton live and logic pro x
<cuttle>
:p
<alextgordon>
you know about library genesis right?
* cuttle
shakes head
<alextgordon>
massive database of academic ebooks
<alextgordon>
russian
<alextgordon>
like if you want a book on cryptomorphic matroids, there's probably a dozen on there
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<cuttle>
haha sweet
<cuttle>
aw man where'd he go
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<alextgordon>
OK WHICH PUNK CRASHED MY TEXTUAL?
<alextgordon>
cuttle: yeah so we have to set you up for piracy
<alextgordon>
;)
<cuttle>
haha cool
<cuttle>
alextgordon: did whitequark paste an osx-killer string again?
<cuttle>
lol
<purr>
lol
<alextgordon>
probably best thing is to SSH into something, then use usenet or VPN from there
<alextgordon>
unfortunately all the best options cost money :P
<cuttle>
yeah :p
<cuttle>
not sure if i want to use ec's linode he's letting me use
<cuttle>
because like linode might shut it down if they get contacted
<alextgordon>
yeah
<alextgordon>
you can get a VPN for $40/year, digital ocean box for $60/year and usenet for $50
<cuttle>
so say i want to get a particular album on usenet
<cuttle>
how likely is it on there
<alextgordon>
depends how obscure it is
<alextgordon>
I find obscure jazz stuff all the time
<alextgordon>
but it's no what.cd
<cuttle>
oh ok
<cuttle>
because i've been seriously considering getting on what.c
<cuttle>
d
<alextgordon>
stuff stays on there for years though, you never have to worry about not having seeders
<cuttle>
roommate was talking about how it's an archive and the impermanence of usenet is a big disadvantage
<cuttle>
but is that not really a problem?
<alextgordon>
right now retention is increasing pretty much by the day
<alextgordon>
in the past things would be deleted
<alextgordon>
now... not so much
<alextgordon>
astraweb has almost 2000 days of retention
<alextgordon>
5 years
<cuttle>
ok cool
<cuttle>
so not nearly as much of a problem as i thought
<cuttle>
what.cd seems like a perfect fit for me though
<alextgordon>
it's harder work
<alextgordon>
I can't be arsed
<cuttle>
and i doubt there would ever be a media-company contact
<cuttle>
yeah :p
<cuttle>
i mean all you have to do to maintain ratio is grab all the freeleeches
<alextgordon>
but eh you can do both
<alextgordon>
cuttle: ^ I dunno, I'm sure media companies are on what.cd
<cuttle>
my musical tastes are super eclectic
<cuttle>
oh ok
<cuttle>
do you think anyone would get contacted
<alextgordon>
probably not, but if the stakes are high I wouldn't risk it
<alextgordon>
could use a VPS though
<cuttle>
eah
<cuttle>
yeah stakes are pretty high
<cuttle>
getting kicked out of the dorms
<alextgordon>
lol yeah
<purr>
lol
<alextgordon>
eh it depends on your budget
<alextgordon>
usenet is the safest I would think
<alextgordon>
since it's anonymous and encrypted
<cuttle>
ok
* cuttle
is no closer to a answer than before :p
<cuttle>
either way i'm paying money for something
<cuttle>
about the same amount
<alextgordon>
you can use usenet and what.cd to fill in the gaps
<alextgordon>
usenet is so stupidly cheap though, $50 lasts you forever
<cuttle>
yeah
<cuttle>
but the thing is i really don't have much capital atm
<alextgordon>
right, student :P
<cuttle>
like, my income for the last few months has been:
<cuttle>
$300 for building a website for a relative
<cuttle>
a couple thousand to spend on books and such over the next 4 years, from a scholarship
<cuttle>
so yeah :p[
<cuttle>
actually blew ~$180 on a 3DS + Pokemon Y
<cuttle>
and there's always drugs and alcohol and food and activities
<cuttle>
lol
<purr>
lol
<cuttle>
hey I think I have a Unity iPhone license I picked up for free one time
<alextgordon>
cuttle: well elliott is fucking rich now, ask if you can use his usenet ;)
<cuttle>
gonna try to make this hex strategy game in 3D
<cuttle>
alextgordon: hahah does he use it?
<alextgordon>
yeah that's what he filled his drobo with
<alextgordon>
:P
<cuttle>
haha
<alextgordon>
seriously I made him like $10k the other day, don't let him tell you he's poor :P
<cuttle>
oh god my physics midterm is on friday
<cuttle>
alextgordon: wait what?
<cuttle>
how'd you make him that? :p
<alextgordon>
cuttle: I was going to buy 42 bitcoins at $242, but I decided not to at the last minute and so he sold them at like $500
<alextgordon>
= $10836
<cuttle>
hahaha
<cuttle>
wow
<cuttle>
shit i want money
<alextgordon>
ha
<cuttle>
my lifestyle right now costs very little
<alextgordon>
that's the best imo
<cuttle>
since housing is paid for by scholarship, and parents pay for my meal plan
<cuttle>
so
<cuttle>
i need to like put out games and shit
<alextgordon>
fuck fancy lifestyles
<cuttle>
try to make money
<alextgordon>
you're in the right line of work!
<alextgordon>
cuttle: making games is a hard way of life
<cuttle>
alextgordon: how do you mean?
<cuttle>
as in indie games is a hard way to make a living?
<alextgordon>
yeah
<alextgordon>
lots of competition, people who buy games don't have a lot of money
<alextgordon>
but hey I make a text editor :P
<cuttle>
yeah definitely
<cuttle>
yeah making software to sell online
<cuttle>
is good in a way because it requires very little money to spend on tools etc., or on reproducing the product
<cuttle>
making games is definitely a long shot
<cuttle>
but i mean i've got housing and food for the next 4 yrs
<cuttle>
not as long a shot as making it in the music business, hopefully
<cuttle>
god i'm pumped to make some games in unity
<cuttle>
installinggggggg
<cuttle>
haha I picked up 3 unity iphone license codes
<cuttle>
way back when
<cuttle>
still in my email
<cuttle>
oh god it's for 3.x though, not sure if it'll work
<cuttle>
fuck
<cuttle>
fuck ok, pc games it is for now
<cuttle>
mobile in the future
<cuttle>
mobile is a wasteland unless you're an IAP whore anyway
<alextgordon>
cuttle: yeah just... I'm sure there must be an easier way to make money than games :P
<alextgordon>
don't get me wrong, it's nice having money that comes in whether you work or not
<alextgordon>
but it takes a LOT of upfront effort
<alextgordon>
and luck
<alextgordon>
and games are going to be harder than a text editor
<cuttle>
yeah definitely :p
<cuttle>
but i also just really want to make this game right now
<cuttle>
if it gets me some pocket cash i will be ecstatic
<cuttle>
i can get a Real Job out of college I guess
<cuttle>
or write a text editor :p
<alextgordon>
haha
<cuttle>
well i think i should go drink several cups of coffee from the dining hall
<cuttle>
talk to you in a little hwile
<alextgordon>
yeah, go forth and caffinate
<cuttle>
i'm in such a weird state right now
<cuttle>
only had one cup of coffee
<cuttle>
quite honestly i don't need it and won't for a few hours, but then i know i'm going to crash hard
<cuttle>
also, i'm not sleepy in the least bit but i'm undeniably impaired
<alextgordon>
heh
<alextgordon>
ARC is so annoying
<cuttle>
yeah took me a while to get it at all
<cuttle>
the whole autorelease business
<alextgordon>
well you don't have to think about autorelease
<alextgordon>
but
<alextgordon>
sometimes what is retained and what isn't is not clear
<whitequark>
the most comprehensive archive of those. it likely includes every single one, or it's close
<whitequark>
use google translate liberally.
<whitequark>
I wonder if they have an API for their streaming transcription/translation engine
<whitequark>
oh cool, I'm not going to die in some random moscow suburb due to frostbite. man, this bus network is extremely confusing
<cuttle>
alextgordon: yeah that's so dumb, esp. since there are some studies that show the more hardcore porn there is the lower sexual violence there is
<cuttle>
or something like that
<alextgordon>
what I worry about is, what next?
<alextgordon>
first bondage porn criminalised, next all porn?
<alextgordon>
after that, banning movies which criticise the government
<cuttle>
yeah there's not much of a qualitative difference in terms of government actions between those
<cuttle>
scary
<cuttle>
alextgordon: Boo vs. C#?
<alextgordon>
cuttle: oh and the new "porn filter" also blocks forums and "web blocking circumvention tools"
<alextgordon>
i.e. VPNs, torrents, usenet, tor, etc
<cuttle>
oh god
<cuttle>
sounds like the filters in high schools
<cuttle>
but for a whole fucking country
<alextgordon>
yep
<alextgordon>
cuttle: and it'll be illegal for public hotspots to have them turned off
<alextgordon>
so no looking at forums in a cafe!
<cuttle>
uggh
<alextgordon>
it's so ridiculous I almost don't believe it, but this is what has been reported :\
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I've been on Goodreads forever and a year
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
just haven't used it, because it's *fucking* ugly.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
always choose Readernaut, instead.
<gkatsev>
it is pretty ugly
<gkatsev>
but it has all the books I read and have more friends that use it
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<_nickd>
there we are
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but 1) readernaut is unmaintained, and 2) Kindle Paperwhite integration, as of today, is a Big Enough Deal™ to me that it made me abandon my entire library of thousands of dollars worth books on the iTunes store, abandon the excellent user experience of iBooks, abandon my data-history on Readernaut, and buy a new device.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh, I don't use it as a social thing
<gkatsev>
I mainly use it as a tracker as well
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm just a quantified-self nut. You know, the kind of person who gets twitchy and snaps at people more often if he forgot to charge his fitbit, due to a low-level anxiety all day arising from the fact that ‘My entire day Doesn't Count™ if I didn't track it with some online service.’
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Ditto reading: what's the point of reading, if some database somewhere doesn't record the fact for posterity? What's the point of *eating*, if nobody knows I ate? Why walk somewhere instead of just catching a cab, if those steps won't be recorded and count for something? Why bother paying with anything other than cash, if I can't hashtag my purchases and
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
sort and graph that data at a later date?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
girlfriend's the same way. we kind of compete about who can generate larger piles of useless, disaggregated data.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
bbl in a fucking hurry. have a plane to catch in a couple hours, and plenty more to do.
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<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: what's the point of living if there's absolutely certainly no high-score board at the end of it?
<joelteon>
But then you die
<joelteon>
and you can't appreciate it
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
_nickd: 'allo! (=
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
bbl. just realized my planning was off-kilter, and I've got an hour less to catch my plane than I'd thought. D:
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
mayhaps I'll just get my hair cut in San Francisco. mhrrr.
<whitequark>
more specifically, what's even the point of going to a nice vacation if after it ends, you'll barely remember it anyway, pretty much immediately
* whitequark
is kinda serious but whatever
<_nickd>
howdy
<joelteon>
that's why I don't take vacations
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark: that's what photos and data are for. ;)
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: but that's just self-deception
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Our grandparents kept photo-albums to remember their happy times. My family? will be keeping graphs.
<whitequark>
I mean, looking at photos while knowing that you only kept them to not forget the actual event makes it worse.
<joelteon>
More specifically, what's the point of enjoyment
* ELLIOTTCABLE
pats joelteon
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh my god. I just realized that otters is Schmidt.
<joelteon>
speaking of enjoyment, I'm buying my car on thursday
<whitequark>
joelteon: aren't you like, 19?
<joelteon>
yes
<whitequark>
a car.
<whitequark>
seriously?
<joelteon>
do I ever joke?
<whitequark>
culture shock, huh
<joelteon>
do they not do cars in russia
<whitequark>
how much in debt will you be?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what's so strange about that? o_O
<joelteon>
about
<joelteon>
uh
<whitequark>
joelteon: idk if I lived as my parents wished
<joelteon>
hang on
<joelteon>
$24300
<whitequark>
then I'd maybe have a car at 25 or something
<joelteon>
about 1/5 as much as college would've cost
<joelteon>
except the car is useful
<whitequark>
sort of like how you can only drink from 21 in US
<joelteon>
to be honest, after riding a bicycle for this long, I would still buy this car if it cost 20 times as much
<joelteon>
anything to stop riding a bicycle
<whitequark>
which is ridiculous if you
<whitequark>
're from europe for example
<joelteon>
yeah
<whitequark>
also I would really not buy anything in credit
<whitequark>
*on
<joelteon>
yeah
<joelteon>
funny thing is i don't have any credit
<whitequark>
which is why I couldn't afford car until that age in first place
<joelteon>
yeah
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<joelteon>
i thought about saving up that much money, but the commute made that impossible
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I don't use credit, either.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
rckts: talk to alexgordon when he gets in. Also, yrashk. Although he seems to have disappeared.
<whitequark>
dude, you're filthy rich
<whitequark>
of course you don't.
<joelteon>
yeah ELLIOTTCABLE, that's not really fair
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark: exactly.
<joelteon>
the most i've ever had in the bank is like 11,000
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I have *atrocious* credit, since I buy everything with cash.
<whitequark>
cash? not even a debit card?
<joelteon>
dude cash is a pain in the ass
<joelteon>
coins and shit
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
debit card === cash
<whitequark>
I find those rectangular pieces of plastic somewhat convenient
<whitequark>
ah
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
although I *do* carry paper money, usually.
<rckts>
ELLIOTTCABLE: hey dude
<joelteon>
i started carrying paper money after the DMV fiasco
<rckts>
finally not afk
* whitequark
imagines ec with a briefcase of $100 notes
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm a little bit of a strange-emergency-preparedness-fear freak. Not a lot, just, like, one or two out of ten.
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: a coworker once said he always keeps his international passport and enough cash to buy one-way airline tickets on himself at all times.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Grew up in Alaska, for gods' sakes. Owning assault weapons and stockpiling food and fuel are second nature to me, uncomfortably put aside now that I live in middle of a huge metropolis.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark: same here.
<whitequark>
which sorta explains the current situation in russia in one sentence
<whitequark>
unfortunately I cannot objectively call him paranoid
<joelteon>
lol
<purr>
lol
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: do I take it right that there's a 50-gallon barrel of gasoline in your apartment right now? :p
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I can explicitly: 1) reach a fully-gassed-up vehicle; 2) reach a compact semi-automatic weapon and enough ammunition to last me a week; 3) reach a store of food and clean water sufficient to last me at least three months; and 4) reach an airport and book a ticket within four hours (by vehicle), at all times.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I was angling to arrange for pilots' training before I ended up moving out of AK, actually. It's a big ambition of mine.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nah. No *stockpiled* fuel or food nowadays. City.
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: is there anything you seriously consider?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Just a relatively small quantity high-calorie backpacking/survival rations, and ammunition (which wasn't even intentional; I just happen to have brought a fuckton with me up from North Carolina.)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark: Not particularly. It's a cover-all-the-bases thing. Trade-offs of effort invested now, leveraged against the eventual benefit, against the likelihood of the situation.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
For one, I consider a natural disaster, within my lifetime, near-enough to seriously affect my day-to-day-life, a given. I've already directly lived through literally every common natural disaster you can name (lessee: blizzard, tornado, volcanic eruption, hurricane, destructive high-magnitude earthquake …), although none of them presented a direct danger
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
to my life (excepting the tornado :x ). I expect more, and more-dangerous, in my future.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
On top of that, I *don't* thoroughly and unconditionally trust my country's government. In fact, I consider *our* government relatively unstable, as these things go. If any first-world country *were* to partially collapse in some horrible way, it'd probably be the damn United States.
<whitequark>
*cough* Greece
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
(Greece is still considered first-world?)
* joelteon
hands whitequark a throat lozenge
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm far from a conspiracy theorist, but it costs me nothing extra to be prepared, given that I've already got all the materials and training from my upbringing, except some occasional mind-space.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“I'm driving across the country for an extended period of time? What do I need to bring with me to cover emergencies …”
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“Sounds like I'll be staying in Montana for a month. What've I stockpiled there?”
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“I'm moving to Chicago. My transportation will undergo extreme restriction in any emergency, I need to come up with some new procedures.”
<whitequark>
neat
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
etc etc etc. Worth it, given the *huge* pay-offs (my life. the lives of those I love. some measure of comfort *beyond* simply being alive.) in those eventualities that I *have* considered.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
like I said. Very low-level kook. (At least, so I believe, anyway.)
<whitequark>
I understand your general motivation very well
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
bbl shower (=
<whitequark>
it's definitely something I consider myself
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yeah.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
seems to me, this shit is pretty easy to break down into relatively simple rules.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
don't let yourself run out of cash.
<whitequark>
don't let yourself run out of air and blood, too. those are important.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
remain *aware* of your distance from transportation that *you* control (vehicle, bike, close friends' vehicle), and the limitations of each of those (stuck behind choke-points in a city, or parked in a flood-risk area)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
learn to use weapons. (rly, europe, y'all're kidding yourselves.) care for them, keep them in good condition (which you should be doing anyway, with any expensive and important piece of machinery.)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
be aware of whom you can depend on, and to what level. (if their comfort is on the line, will <person> still help you? what if their *life* is, instead?)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and of course, be aware of your accessible supplies. whether that's aforementioned food/fuel/ammunition/water, or shelter, or heat, or clothes.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
eerrrrr. done. didn't mean to go on some rant.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
love y'all got a plane to catch bye <3
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<gkatsev>
ELLIOTTCABLE: btw, have you see the data or at least graphs that stephen wolfram released a while ago?
<gkatsev>
oh, he left
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<cuttle>
ELLIOTTCABLE: i know you know about resetting schedules
<cuttle>
ELLIOTTCABLE: what should i have done
<cuttle>
alextgordon, ELLIOTTCABLE: want to hear me rap
<cuttle>
over a beat i made
<alextgordon>
uhhh
<cuttle>
it's not amazing but i promise it's not that bad