<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ag_dubs: hunt me down in the hallway, or tonight. Let's talk languages some more. :D
<ag_dubs>
wrrd! will do
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nodexgordon: wat.
<purr>
ELLIOTTCABLE: can't find the referenced what.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nuck: since when.
<nodexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I've converted to nodeism
<nodexgordon>
man I wish furrow existed
<nodexgordon>
or rust didn't suck
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
glad to hear it, why aren't you at jsconf with othiym23, ag_dubs, gkatsev, nicksergeant, and I?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
(seriously all of those people have met me in real life, this is fuckin' weird)
<nodexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I like node, I don't like javascript :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so why don't you use Paws? ;)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Node without the JavaScript!
<nodexgordon>
ha
<nodexgordon>
not what I'm looking for either
<nodexgordon>
static typing is what I crave
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Still Paws?
<nodexgordon>
paws has static typing?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
no,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“Still Paws.”
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
a typed Paws.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
don't see why not. *shrug*
<purr>
¯\(º_o)/¯
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Typing would be trivial to drop on top of the existing language specification, actually.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
at least, at first blush. idk. would have to think about it while not listening to a talk.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“Still Paws.” get it? static paws?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
derp.
<nodexgordon>
yah
<nodexgordon>
it just seems so far away from what paws is
<nodexgordon>
I dunno, it might be a good idea actually
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it'd play very well with almost everything else Paws exists to do,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
except it'd make me very, very happy.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
this was micah's realization:
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that really a lot of the innovations in Paws *aren't* tightly-coupled to elliottcable's insanity.
<gkatsev>
ELLIOTTCABLE: btw, what did you end up doing yesterday?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
chilled.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
slept in, wandered alone over to a different part of the plantation, had lunch, and an ice cream wafflecone,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
finally made it to the beach for the first time, since I slept through the original on-becah opening party, chilled there and read a book.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
gkatsev: I can see the back of your head.
<gkatsev>
ELLIOTTCABLE: ok
<gkatsev>
I know where you sit
<gkatsev>
stop looking at the back of my head
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
i no were u sit
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but dunwanna
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm so fucking full of myself.
<nodexgordon>
not news
<nodexgordon>
:P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I watch these talks, and think, “JavaScript development in 2014, is realizing all the things that ELLIOTTCABLE saw in 2009 when Node was released.”
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
at this ratio, “JavaScript development in 2020” will be “switching to Paws.”
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
;)
<nodexgordon>
I'm like 99% sure that print should be a statement
<nodexgordon>
(there hasn't been nearly enough bikeshedding in this channel recently)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what print?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but seriously. >:
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
in reality, I think this whole conference is just making me feel like I must have been too ambitious with my original plans for Paws. It addresses so many of the concerns people are pouring tons of effort into in this field … which means I must be fooling myself about how easy they are to solve.
<nodexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: nah
<nodexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: making programming languages is way easier than say, heart surgery
<nodexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: programmers are just of substandard intelligence
<nodexgordon>
compared to heart surgeons
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
dunno, known some pretty retarded cardiologists
<nodexgordon>
xD
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
there was this dude who crashed his helicopter into his cabin
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
like, for a given value of “crashed”
<nodexgordon>
I never felt that solving these problems was actually difficult, there's just not enough money in it
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
talking bent runners, not fireballs
<nodexgordon>
I would happily work on proglangs all day every day if someone paid me to do it
<nodexgordon>
and I'd probably solve some big problems
<nodexgordon>
but alas, there's no money in it
<nodexgordon>
bit silly since programming languages have a huge impact on the efficiency of programmers
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
not remotely true.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
spent many, many hours at this conference talking to people who are literally paid to crank away at the hard problems behind, say, V8.
<nodexgordon>
which means loads of money is wasted by hiring programmers to use bad languages
<nodexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: V8 exists because browser developers can't get together and invent a better language
<nodexgordon>
there's no reason why V8 needs to exist
<nodexgordon>
if browsers used say lua, rather than js, they could just hire the luajit guy
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lololol
<purr>
lololol
<nodexgordon>
it actually proves my point, software companies could be a whole lot more efficient if they had better languages that didn't waste loads of programmer time
<nodexgordon>
maybe that's turkeys voting for christmas though ;)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I need to shit. But I don't want to miss the next talk. Hm.
<othiym23>
the thing is *nobody* likes JavaScript, except maybe BE
<othiym23>
the more you write JavaScript, the less you like it
<othiym23>
but it gets the job done
<gkatsev>
what if you do like js?
<othiym23>
hmmmm
<gkatsev>
though, I think everyone agrees that js is terrible in a lot (most) of ways
<katlogic>
'Javascript the good parts' is indeed very thin book.
<joelteon>
yes is very thin
<joelteon>
yes bad language
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<whitequark>
Revolutionary Girl Utena
<whitequark>
so. many. roses.
<gkatsev>
lol
<purr>
lol
<gkatsev>
that show was so repetitive
<whitequark>
yes, I already figured -_-
<gkatsev>
if they didn't show the beginning of the battle sequence in every episode, it would've been like 10 episodes shorter
<whitequark>
low budget and lack of computer-aided animation, I guess
<whitequark>
looks like since 2008 they incorporated a fuckton of software and that made animation orders of magnitude cheaper
<whitequark>
I'm terrified to even imagine how much labor would've went into drawing, say, that perspective-shifting madness from Attack on Titan
<katlogic>
Macromedia/Adobe ruined anime?
<vigs>
*4kids
<vigs>
slash every dub ever
<whitequark>
katlogic: ruined?
<katlogic>
Well, flash animations certainly ruined most of american cartoons.
<katlogic>
gkatsev: wrt dubs, if we're talking old shows .. bebop, flcl, trigun ... there are dozens of newer which are good too. It's just that its rare to see newer series dubbed first.
<gkatsev>
lol
<purr>
lol
<katlogic>
people get overly attached to jap voices and then throw sperging tantrums the dub does not match jap voice at all
<gkatsev>
katlogic: idk, I hate the newer dubs as well
<katlogic>
gkatsev: Ok, which you've seen dubbed *first*?
<katlogic>
:)
<gkatsev>
idk, but it isn't even that, as I said, for cowboy bebop movie I chose to watch it dubbed
<katlogic>
the corellation-causation is really important here when doing "hurr durr dubs sucks"
<gkatsev>
it's just that 99.99% of dubs are just terrible
<katlogic>
indeed most are
<katlogic>
but its mostly because
<katlogic>
90% of anime is just shit
<gkatsev>
so, it isn't even just that I'm used to the japanese voices
<whitequark>
90% of everything
<katlogic>
so is the 90% shitty dub as well
<katlogic>
:)
<gkatsev>
nope, for dubs it's more like 99%
<katlogic>
gkatsev: No, you liked the bebop dub because you've seen it dubbed first.
<katlogic>
If you'd seen it subbed, youd be "hurr durr the dub is horrible, my ears bleed"
<gkatsev>
katlogic: I've seen it subbed first
<vigs>
so there's only 10% of "good" anime. If only 90% of dubs are bad, that makes 1% of all anime watchable. fuck dubs
<katlogic>
Then they went to a lot of trouble to match voice actors :)
<gkatsev>
I literally watched a few minutes of each first
<whitequark>
vigs: assuming the quality of the anime and the dub are independent variables
<gkatsev>
katlogic: yeah, as I said, it's actually a really good dub
<gkatsev>
perhaps the only *good* dub (into english, at least)
* katlogic
is not native english speaker so cant really tell
<katlogic>
I hate the horrid robotic-voice dubs they occasionaly do though, as they erase almost any semblance emotion which was supposed to be conveyed there
<katlogic>
gkatsev: panty & stockings is really good dub as well
<gkatsev>
katlogic: what's your native language?
<katlogic>
not in that it would match the original
<katlogic>
but the voice actors genuinely had fun and portrayed the feels well
<whitequark>
there's also the russian fandubs, by a single snuffling emotionless guy
<katlogic>
gkatsev: czech
<whitequark>
incredibly productive tho
<katlogic>
i dont give single rats ass about proper tone or lip synch; as long the feel is articulated right
<gkatsev>
I understand the want for lip synching, though
<whitequark>
btw, did your translation include all the writing on the blackboard?
<katlogic>
THE INTERNET HAS LEFT ME IN DESPAIR
<whitequark>
in the third season, it mentions *submarine patents*
<whitequark>
in 2006.
<katlogic>
i think i did; but my mplayer has trouble showing positioned subs so it was mess
<whitequark>
an obscure problem exclusively with american law
<whitequark>
I don't think even most geeks have heard about submarine patents prior to 2008 or so, when there were a few publicized cases
<whitequark>
actually, not even my translation was quite correct; it said "patents on submarines". but I looked up the actual text in jp.wiki and yeah, it's the thing that I expected
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<whitequark>
vlc does it properly, but if you want to make a gif or just cut it up... it's a problem
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<whitequark>
I'm seriously annoyed by the fact that the reflection in the sword is misplaced.
<whitequark>
like, it's physically impossible for Anshi's face to be reflected in a perfectly vertical wrt the camera, if rotated over Z, sword surface
* katlogic
on spur of moment scours anidb again; in search of szs-style deadpan-comedy anime
<katlogic>
guess theres been indeed only gintama :/
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