<vil>
you have to listen all the way through, it changes gradually
<vigs>
oh okay
<vigs>
well I'm codon so
<vigs>
s/codon/codin
<vigs>
speaking of which, (╯°□°）╯︵ ʇdᴉɹɔsɐʌɐɾ
<vil>
codine
<vigs>
[music notes] At 28 I realized, hydrocodone was pretty great, For hangovers and late night hangs [music notes]
<vigs>
vil: wtf it was picking up and then it ended
<vil>
yes
<vil>
it's supposed to elicit emotion, not turn into dubstep
<vigs>
I didn't even think that dubstep was supposed to happen
<vil>
which personally I think it's very good at
<vigs>
I was like…"okay sweet it's picking up the pace, I can't wait for the song to start"
* vil
sighs
<vigs>
vil: I discovered electro swing a while back
<vigs>
that was chill
<vil>
I love electroswing
<vigs>
Yeah, not my cuppa tea, that deadmau5 track :<
<vigs>
sorry buddy
<vil>
I knew it wouldn't be
<vil>
I was surprised you asked for the link
<vigs>
eh, I needed a tune
<vigs>
this album ended :P
<vil>
I think Bleed is supposed to leave you feeling sort of empty
<vigs>
It built me up and ended
* vigs
clearly missed the point
<vil>
I think that's because you like music that gets you fired up
<vil>
and this is the complete opposite
<vigs>
right
<vil>
it's just sort of reflective and calm
<vigs>
There's a decent amount of introspective punk, too. But it's presented in an upbeat (read: moderate to high tempo, not upbeat as in using a major key) manner
<vil>
listening to it again right now, it's sort of hopeful at the end
<vil>
like you're almost there, but the next part is unknown
<alexgordon>
hm I now understand why building a hash table in haskell is so hard
<vil>
hi alexgordon
<vigs>
hi vigs
<alexgordon>
hi vil
<alexgordon>
I think I've cracked it though
<vigs>
speaking of cracking
<vigs>
when I was in the computer science lab the other day, someone approached (read: interrupted) me and this happened:
<vigs>
him: Hey, are you a computer science major?
<vigs>
me: Computer engineering, yeah. What's up?
<vigs>
him: can you help me with this thign?
<vigs>
me: uh, sure, I can try?
<vigs>
He needed help installing a cracked version of some software
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
spent hours on it, 'cuz I had fuckall else to do while waiting for the airport shuttle.
<vigs>
lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
didn't go very well, 'cuz A) I couldn't find a proper video-editor that could crop arbitrarily as opposed to just to 4:3 ratios,
<vigs>
ouch
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and B) my .gif ended up huge, and although I did a lot of research on how to tweak and compress and optimize .gifs, I didn't have time to apply it,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and C) GitHub's CDN reoptimized it and shittified it all to shit *anyway* when I tried it.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so meh.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but here's how cool it would have been:
<colbyl>
i'd love to do one for Ruby but I have no clue how to write an interpreter, hahahah
<katlogic>
Looks neat; still lacks any semblance of substance at first glance tho.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
katlogic: the text? yeah, idk what else to put there. *shrug*
<purr>
¯\(º_o)/¯
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
text hasn't changed. just made it pretty. :P
<katlogic>
In this age of instant gratification, people want to see what does it actually do in that gif, not --help output.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
colbyl: it's not difficult. Excellent learning exercise. ;)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
katlogic: yeah, basically impossible to show “what it does.” Might include another gratuitous .gif lower down of it executing some purposeless code with reactor-tracing turned on.
<katlogic>
DO IT
<katlogic>
THERE IS A LOT OF DUMBING DOWN TO BE DONE, ELLIOTTCABLE
<katlogic>
erm, just friendly advice from marketing department.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
need a product to dumb down first, though.
<katlogic>
indeed
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yes, believe me, I'm a huge believer in marketing. (=
<katlogic>
Tbh I do it exactly same
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but I don't see the point in marketing a product with *absolutely no error handling*.
<katlogic>
except usually i dont bother writing .mds at all
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
with *no ability to load code from multiple files*.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
like, if you want to actually start writing Paws code right now, you literally use #imports and pass it through the C preprocessor to concatenate the text.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
because distribution isn't nailed down.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
similarly, you just hope it has no errors at all … because a Paws program that has any issues just … doesn't do anything, and never terminates. silently.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
:P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
only reason I'm fucking around with .gifs is … I can't solve all of that, not really.
<katlogic>
Thats ok, people are used to shitty software which catches fire for no reason.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm used to having glowcoil to work through things with. I'm realizing I'm completely incapable of language-design without a sounding-board.
<katlogic>
Its just that first impression "It's trivial and makes me feel empowered" to make it success.
<katlogic>
think RoR or express
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
if I don't have an opportunity to verbalize it, I can't figure it out in my head.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
talked to @lorinbeer (I think? was it? maybe) a bit about popularity and languages/libraries, at the conf here
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh, wait, no, @mikael
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
he's a neat guy, bit weird
<katlogic>
Dunno, usually I use some sort of half-done something I'm designing given thing for in the first place.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
*studies* the rise in popularity of developer tools and projects. Like, graphs, statistical analysis, correlating growth with similar projects by various metrics …
<katlogic>
In case of paws, that would be paws code actually doing something?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
thing he'd drawn out statistics for:
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
almost universally, things which were *less compatible* with existing tooling, runtimes, and design patterns,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
got a larger following, faster.
<katlogic>
Yes, thats how fads work.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
his explanation, not exactly unfounded, but not necessarily backed up by the data either: if you can just *use* existing-library-X with the new thing, then you have no reason to *invest* yourself in new-thing.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but if not, then you have to *write* new-thing-ified-X, and now, *your* popularity is linked to that of new-thing.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
anyway
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
just was neat conversation
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
conferences are cool.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
don't think I can handle much of this shit.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but, nonetheless, cool.
<katlogic>
Rock star programmer recipe: Must feel new (but be banal underneath), must make you feel empowered (ie allows everyone to express their unique snowflake individuality in unison), must have good selling prospects and examples, so the cancer spreads on individuals who cannot think for themselvs and participate in this flock masturbation.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
katlogic: in reality, though: you truly think the blurb on that page conveys *nothing*? I tried so hard to at least convey some information.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I mean, I get, it's not github.com/whoever/connect or Rails or something, but it's not there *to* get somebody to install it. it's not ready.
<katlogic>
ELLIOTTCABLE: It literally must be obvious at first sight.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it's just there so people stop going “what's this?”
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh, since you're back whitequark: have you met katlogic?