00:39 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> n8

00:44 <wolfspraul> n8

00:45 <abushcrafterforg> What about using the head phone socket to drive a vibrator?

00:47 <wolfspraul> that would be the first step into 'major hacking' that I mentioned :-)

00:47 <wolfspraul> I don't know, have to try. Surely eventually it's possible, if someone tries hard enough.

00:48 <abushcrafterforg> Got a lot to lean first then. so much for spoon feeding :D

00:49 <abushcrafterforg> Ant some leds on the nano note?

00:50 <abushcrafterforg> ant there

00:51 <wolfspraul> there is only the charging led which afaik is not software controllable

00:53 <abushcrafterforg> darn

00:54 <abushcrafterforg> any ideas?

01:02 <wolfspraul> what idea?

01:02 <wolfspraul> if you like lots of leds, check out the upcoming R4 revision of Milkymist One :-)

01:02 <wolfspraul> I think we are at 18 or so...

01:03 <wolfspraul> the Ben NanoNote is a nice integrated pocket computer, the main thing it has going for it is a lot of high quality free software

01:04 <wolfspraul> so don't know. if the vibrator is very important for you, either you see the Ben as your hacking base and have fun to get it going, or you find another starting point, maybe something that has a vibrator already?

01:11 <abushcrafterforg> you see what I want is a pocket computer that is 100% FOSS. that can do things like appointments reminders, alarms, view images, video, music, notes, address book, etc. that does not cost £500 unlike the open meko gta04. I was thinking I will probably want a vibrator to help me not miss a alarm,reminder,etc when it is in my pocket. I was wondering what else there was inside for one to try and connect a vibrator too and if you had knowledge

01:13 <abushcrafterforg> getting a smart phone like the geeks phone zero is not ideal because they have, what? A 2-3 year life span due to the non-free drivers. :(

01:15 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: (led) hey ! did you forget ben-blinkenlights ? :)

01:17 <wpwrak> www.almesberger.net/misc/ben/blink.ogg

01:19 <abushcrafterforg> thanks

01:19 <abushcrafterforg> though that would me no sd card :(

01:20 <wolfspraul> abushcrafterforg: just start somewhere. too much planning is no fun.

01:20 <abushcrafterforg> yea it is a start

01:23 <abushcrafterforg> Just watch the vid. gets me thinking of fun pyro detonator project

01:25 <wpwrak> ;-)

01:34 <wolfspraul>

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04:04 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: fix typo (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/467b78e

07:52 <unclouded> are there plans to change the boot logo in the next release for the NanoNote?

07:53 <xiangfu> unclouded, no.

07:53 <xiangfu> unclouded, do you have any advice? :)

07:54 <whitequark> tuxbrain finally sent my order

07:54 <unclouded> if it's not going to change then I was thinking of re-doing the OpenWrt powered so it's anti-aliased and then adjusting the whole image for the NanoNote's delta pixels

07:54 <whitequark> in 3 days I'd have NN and 6lowpan hw

07:55 <xiangfu> unclouded, sounds great.

07:56 <xiangfu> whitequark, cool. how many ben-wpan you bought?

08:04 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> I gather abushcrafterfrog meant Goldelico OpenPhoenux GTA04

08:05 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> aren't there a number of testpoints in NN that easily can control a vib driver?

08:06 <whitequark> xiangfu: 2 atben and 1 atusb

08:06 <xiangfu> whitequark, cool.

08:07 <whitequark> I plan to make them 'FOSS RF modules'. I already have some on nRF24L01+, but these have a proprietary air protocol

08:07 <whitequark> which sucks at least because it's vendor lock-in

08:07 <xiangfu> Doc_No_ACTA_zer, there is a buzzy in nanonote. maybe you can re-use that?

08:07 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> sure

08:08 <xiangfu> Doc_No_ACTA_zer, yes. then you maybe just remove the buzzy. and connect it to your vib.

08:08 <xiangfu> Doc_No_ACTA_zer, you can try to change that direct by using /proc, I guess

08:08 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> given the idea that a buzzer usually shouldn't operate on DC...

08:09 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> just add some stupid 'electronics' that start to operate vib when buzzer has high level for >0.1s

08:09 <yunfan> xiangfu: jz4740千颗批发价多少？

08:10 <xiangfu> whitequark, yes. I recently bought a router that have a usb host. and openwrt support it well. so I may have a wpan-router for ben nanonote :)

08:11 <xiangfu> yunfan, I don't know. (please use English :D). you can just direct call ingenic :)

08:11 <yunfan> xiangfu: i bought one that have that features 2 years ago

08:11 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> xiangfu: but honestly (as I have no schematics at my hands right now) - aren't there quite a number of unused or redefine'able GPIO available on NN?

08:11 <yunfan> xiangfu: and they increase the ram from 8MB to 64MB

08:12 <yunfan> which has a broadcom bcm43xx init

08:12 <yunfan> xiangfu: i have sent mail to them before, no response

08:12 <whitequark> xiangfu: how complete wpan stack is?

08:13 <yunfan> xiangfu: heard that atom e600c has a fpga unit ,

08:14 <xiangfu> Doc_No_ACTA_zer, http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/9/9c/Lb60_schematic.pdf

08:15 <xiangfu> whitequark, wpan I don't know the detail. should ask wpwrak,

08:18 <xiangfu> whitequark, wpan you mean the 802.15.4?

08:20 <xiangfu> http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-xburst/source/tree/master/target give some error. :(

08:20 <xiangfu> same error with: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/qi-kernel/source/tree/master/

08:22 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> xiangfu: on very first glance I spot TP5/TDO/UART0_TXD

08:24 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> xiangfu: next spotting: dual-use WAKEUP_N to start vib when pulled to low level

08:25 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> obviously the pin is 2nd-function on SOC, with prinary function PD29

08:25 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> so program it to GPIO output low and off goes your vib

08:26 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> side effect: vib starts on pushing wake button, I think that's tolerable

08:26 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> s/wake/ONOFFK/

08:26 <qi-bot> Doc_No_ACTA_zer meant: "side effect: vib starts on pushing ONOFFK button, I think that's tolerable"

08:29 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> if not: do the pulsing trick - use a AC detector (as easy as a capacitor and diode) and pulse PD29 with some 100Hz to start vib

08:30 <whitequark> xiangfu: yes

08:30 <whitequark> roh: also, I must admit that you're completely right in your opinion about Arduino and stuff

08:30 <unclouded> xiangfu: is there a higher-def source for the Ben logo? the text looks great but the logo actually looks worse

08:31 <xiangfu> whitequark, if you have openwrt-xburst.git you can check the openwrt-xburst/target/linux/xburst/patches-3.0/0031-first-patch-for-atBen.patch

08:31 <xiangfu> unclouded, wait. let me check.

08:35 <xiangfu> unclouded, found that: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Press_and_marketing_material

08:35 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> TP38/GPD15

08:36 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> completely unused

08:36 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> add a FET and vib with clamp diode

08:36 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> maybe plus a 10nF C

08:37 <unclouded> xiangfu: cheers!

08:38 <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> TP36/36

09:18 <whitequark> xiangfu: ah ok, I'll install that when my ben will arrive

09:45 <xiangfu> whitequark, the latest image support wpan out of box.

09:46 <xiangfu> whitequark, yes. install the latest image will be good.

10:39 <wpwrak> whitequark: the stack is still quite basic. you can have haven't done anything there in a long time :-(

11:07 <unclouded> xiangfu: see what you think of this for a boot logo: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/unclouded/logo_nanonote_clut224.pnm

11:12 <xiangfu> unclouded, one little thing.

11:13 <xiangfu> unclouded, if you use the Chinese. I would advice same one that on nanonote. (at the top of the lcd there is a 本 NanoNoe)

11:14 <xiangfu> unclouded, what do you think?

11:38 <whitequark> wpwrak: if the network/transport layers work, it's fine for me

11:38 <whitequark> otherwise I should make them work.

12:06 <wpwrak> whitequark: there's a very primitive (and non-standard) IPv4 support.

12:27 <whitequark> wpwrak: I don't need IPv4 actually

12:27 <whitequark> I think I want 6lowpan

12:28 <whitequark> or (maybe; if 6lowpan would have some fatal deficiency) a simpler proto

12:48 <wpwrak> then you'll have to investigate into getting a kernel with more recent 6lowpan support. there has been some work in this direction lately. and the device drivers should not be affected. or at least only marginally.

13:59 <whitequark> wpwrak: thanks, I'll look into it

13:59 <whitequark> is atusb supported on the stock kernel?

14:28 <xiangfu> whitequark, it's under qi-kernel.git 'ben-wpan' branch. (http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/qi-kernel/)

14:29 <xiangfu> whitequark, too bad. can't open the branch link. give

15:33 <wpwrak> whitequark: (stock kernel) no, you need to build your own. not sure if anything substantial of wpan support is upstream yet. last time i checked, it was just some stubs.

15:42 <whitequark> wpwrak: ah ok. I can do that :)

17:20 <zenlunatic> the openwrt BNN wiki page is blank... just fyi

17:20 <zenlunatic> or rather openwrt's wiki page of BNN