<mnemoc>
Gumboot: that's officially the topic of this channel :p
<Gumboot>
Yeah. How's that coming along, anyway?
<mnemoc>
only lkcl knows :<
<mnemoc>
he is discussing about a 2xpcmcia server standard
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<lkcl>
que?
<mnemoc>
too late
<mnemoc>
he left
<lkcl>
ehh no problem.
<lkcl>
things are quite advanced - he must be on the arm-netbooks list - i'm puzzled that he's asking "what do SOMs plug in to"
<lkcl>
i saw him around quite a while back now
<lkcl>
mnemoc: yeah i'm thinking about a xN server standard because the EOMA-68 standard is basically done, first CPU Card out as soon as wits-tech put it together, get revision 0 tested and do revision 1 layout.
<mnemoc>
as he is a regular I assumed what has happened after that one
* lkcl
is in the middle of AM3892 schematics
<lkcl>
mnemoc: yeah that was a "huh" moment for me too
<mnemoc>
the question about SoM was .... unexpected
<mnemoc>
specially considering he says to have worked for ARM, Broadcom and now for nvidia
<lkcl>
i wanted 2x 32-bit DDR3 interfaces but i looked up the power consumption at 1100mhz and it's 1.5 watts (!)
<lkcl>
so... can only do 1, and might have to ramp it down in speed a bit (hopefully not as low as 800mhz)
<lkcl>
bit of a scarily-spec'd chip, the AM389x/DM816x series. full HD video encode *and* decode in the DM816x, and enough bandwidth to easily handle raw 1080p60 video. just... staggering.
<mnemoc>
imx6 didn't work out?
<lkcl>
imx6 has a proprietary GPU
<mnemoc>
and sitara is TI :p
<lkcl>
i picked the AM3892 because we need an FSF-Endorseable option
<mnemoc>
what's more scary? :)
<lkcl>
ha ha
<lkcl>
well, at least TI does FSF-endorseable SoCs that you can buy in 1k volumes
<lkcl>
it's there's a GPU-less imx6 i need to hear about it, get that moving as well
<lkcl>
christ - so much to fricking do.
<Turl>
wasn't amlogic a gpl violator?
<Turl>
what did I miss? o.O
<lkcl>
Turl: yeah, they are. not "was" - is.
<Turl>
why do you think it'll be fsf endorseable then? o.O
<lkcl>
made the request, they ignored it.
<lkcl>
Turl: which one? which SoC do you believe is being discussed, from which company?
<mnemoc>
Turl: htat's a TI sitara, not amlogic
<Turl>
lkcl: (13:27:08) lkcl: i picked the AM3892 because we need an FSF-Endorseable option
<lkcl>
texas instruments AM3892 is FSF-Endorseable. iMX6 is not
<lkcl>
Turl: yehhhh, there's AM, DM and TMS320 as well
<mnemoc>
AM's have crappy or no video
<lkcl>
the full name of their davinci HD .... ah no they don't! ok, yes, the AM you're right
<Turl>
AM3892 (1.2ghz ARM Cortex A8) 1k pricing: $32.
<mnemoc>
TI's catalog is ... confusing
<lkcl>
but there's a pin-compatible one called the DM816x series (8165, 8167) which is an absolute raging monster. power consumption with all the bells, whistles and knobs on is 3.5 watts!!
<mnemoc>
lkcl: not interested in trying indiegogo.com yet? :<
<mnemoc>
tom made $50k in 10 days
<mnemoc>
enough to fund design, prototyping and a bunch of cards and eng boards
<mnemoc>
via paypal you receive 91% of the contributions immediatelly
<mnemoc>
and 5% "refunded" after the goal is reached
<techn>
mnemoc: btw. why we dont use jenkins as build interface? :)
<mnemoc>
i don't think we have a pace that justifies CI
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<techn>
yep.. but I was thinking to have version/change history per build
<techn>
and those things come automaticly via ci.. no need to reinvent wheel
<techn>
but that's just HiFi stuff
<Turl>
mnemoc: what minute? :P
<lkcl>
mnemoc: the difference is that tom has a board.
<lkcl>
working, tested, proven board.
<lkcl>
mnemoc: we're still waiting for wits-tech to put the components on, test that, then do a re-lay-out, then test that.
<lkcl>
mnemoc: yeah me too!
<lkcl>
simultaneously i'm talking to the kde plasma team, they want a tablet, and they have a hell of a lot of preorders
<lkcl>
and also to the FSF.
<lkcl>
and more.
<lkcl>
all these projects need to be made *absolutely* clear, exactly what hardware is in them
<lkcl>
what the cost of *all* components are
<lkcl>
what the casework will cost.
<lkcl>
until all of that information is available, i am *not* going to go onto any of these sites and say "um, we need maybe this much, but we're not sure yet"
<lkcl>
and i'm definitely not going to lie!
<lkcl>
or guess
<lkcl>
so, yeah. hell of a lot to do. there's about *seven* EOMA-68 projects i'm keeping an eye on. there should actually be about... 20 (cards and products)
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<xxiao>
20 EOMA? impressive...
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<lkcl>
xxiao: it's what i'm aiming for.
<lkcl>
xxiao: think about it - this is the *entire* mass-volume appliances sector we're talking. laptops, tablets, nettops, netbooks, desktop pcs, media centres, PMPs, all-in-one PCs, keyboard computers, games consoles
<lkcl>
NAS boxes
<lkcl>
the works
<xxiao>
haven't checked eoma closely, what about heat issues?
<lkcl>
then there's CPU Cards, which will, once things are up and running, be at least 25% of the offerings of *every* SoC company combined, and that includes intel's new 22nm ValleyVille
<lkcl>
xxiao: the 3.5 watts limit has always been there.
<lkcl>
for slightly above that, you fill the case with thermal gel.
<lkcl>
messy but it works, and it's low-cost.
<xxiao>
recall qseven now
<lkcl>
xxiao: q-seven is great for the digital signage industry
<lkcl>
and for things like tiny desktop PCs
<lkcl>
and industrial computer uses.
<lkcl>
there's actually 3 separate competing MXM-based standards!
<xxiao>
i actually think the stamp cpu module are very interesting
xenoxaos is now known as sadtowne
sadtowne is now known as SADTOWNE
<xxiao>
cpu+ddr+nand with stamp dots around the littlt module, make it a cheap SIP (system in package) then solder it with various boards
<xxiao>
i was told the issue is that it's a little hard to unsolder for repair, as the hot air will also impact all chips on that little module along with its dots at the edge
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SADTOWNE is now known as xenoxaos
<xxiao>
so you need a special tool for that
<lkcl>
oh do you mean package-on-package?
<lkcl>
or is this something different?
<lkcl>
xxiao: if PoP is anything to go by, then yes it's slightly fraught. although much much simpler to design (you don't need to do DDR layout or NAND layout) you *have* to watch out for supply of the DDR ICs, secure them *before* beginning the design
<lkcl>
and although prices are coming down and density is going up, they're a single chip RAM so they are *always* going to be more expensive than say 2 or 4 lower-density RAM ICs.
<lkcl>
right. yeah. ok. yes, soldered directly onto another PCB. yeah, i can see how that would work, it's the same for e.g. what's it.... Telit and Motorola's 3G and GSM modules, you can get them in "solderable board" form
<lkcl>
yes. repair would be a bugger :)
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<xxiao>
the key is to get high-speed bus contained there
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<jelly-home>
thanks to whoever set up the gmane archive for arm-netbook... mailman/pipermail is a bit unfriendly
<mnemoc>
gmane is awesome
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<xxiao>
for mailing list archive or irc channel log?
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<mnemoc>
mailing list archive with posting capabilities
<mnemoc>
ideal when you want to reply and don't have the parent in your mailbox
<mnemoc>
like when using a digest or when the mail was posted before you subscribed
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<penguin42>
cubieboard seems to have met it's indiegogo funding
<mnemoc>
yes, yesterday. but they are all CC donations, so can't be withdraw until the end of the campaign in mid dec.
<penguin42>
mnemoc: Oh that's a bit weird, I'd assumed that once it hit the target they could start
<mnemoc>
they have two methods to collect money, paypal. transfering the funds immediatelly to get paypal account of the campaign owner, and CC... making a wire transfer ~5d after the end of the campaign
<mnemoc>
but paypal blocked his account for review short after the campaign began
<mnemoc>
so all this money was collected via CC
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<mnemoc>
will call on monday to ask indiegogo about the options
<penguin42>
mnemoc: Ah annoying, it would seem sensible to let a campaign terminate early if they hit the money
<mnemoc>
yes, if they don't accept to do a pre-payment of the 50k, truncating the campaign will be the next thing to try
<mnemoc>
f* paypal
<RaYmAn>
I wonder what the paypal issue means for those people (like me) who did manage to buy using paypal
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<mnemoc>
me too
<mnemoc>
it was $514 when it froze. but now it's already 50k+ over those 500 and all possible fees
<mnemoc>
i really hope they accept to wire them
<mnemoc>
to let them buy the components and start the manufacturing
<RaYmAn>
yeah
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<discopig>
crazy
<discopig>
the reached the goal so fast
<discopig>
they
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<techn>
mnemoc: did he send mail for "notify me" ppl?
<RaYmAn>
he did
<techn>
ok
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