mnemoc changed the topic of #arm-netbook to: EOMA: Embedded Open Modular Architecture - Don't ask to ask. Just ask! - http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68 - ML arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk - Logs http://ibot.rikers.org/%23arm-netbook or http://irclog.whitequark.org/arm-netbook/ - http://rhombus-tech.net/
<slapin_> Marex: how cheap, any links?
<mnemoc> slapin_: i only know the <math /> extension, but just tested and doesn't take \begin ... only basic expressions
<mnemoc> f* 115.com ... now you can only download stuff if you have an account :|
<slapin_> mnemoc: what is 115.com?
<slapin_> mnemoc: at least latex can make pdf/ps and these can be attached.
<mnemoc> slapin_: the chinese dropbox where chinese manufacturers share their update images :|
<mnemoc> slapin_: attached, but not shown inline
<Turl> mnemoc: tried http://bugmenot.com/view/115.com ?
<mnemoc> Turl: uh
<mnemoc> Turl: didn't know that site :)
<Marex> slapin_: I dunno ... but I'll be getting one sometimes during summer
<Turl> mnemoc: bugmenot is the best thing since sliced bread when it comes to logging in to stuff :)
<Turl> esp. those nasty forums with "log in to see the link" >.<
<mnemoc> Turl: account worked. but i'm now request to pay to download the crap
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<slapin_> mnemoc: what were you looking for on 115.com?
<mnemoc> the firmware update for a phone
<slapin_> mnemoc: hmmm...
* slapin_ is wrong again - a gold mine is turned into pile of shit...
<mnemoc> ?
* slapin_ got a plan for next step with NAND stuff...
<slapin_> good night, all!
<mnemoc> good night slapin_
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<mnemoc> hno: reverted to lichee/lichee-dev, boots, but no greeting either.... shy u-boot
<mnemoc> "sunxi: add uart output to sd default"... that's why
<mnemoc> need another board
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<mnemoc> much better
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<mnemoc> hno: btw, spl also halts on reboot after `reset`ing from nand's u-boot :|
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<discopig> hi
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<libv> mnemoc, Turl: i am perfectly happy with this change, as back when i had the crash, i was using too weak a powersupply
<libv> and my feeling is that it was the higher power draw of the higher clock that caused this crash
<libv> i should've actually sent a follow up to that email, stating that these test results were all but reliable
<RaYmAn> hmm..funky.. Chromebook uses OMAP armsoc driver for OMAP5432, which apparently uses Mali T60x
<RaYmAn> (incidentally, not exactly what TI's docs say, so perhaps it's a funky google change)
<mnemoc> libv: does it still act weird if you use the weak psu?
<libv> i cannot tell now, i am 700kms away :)
<mnemoc> RaYmAn: i read some time ago linaro was making an agnostic x11 mali driver.... might it be that one?
<mnemoc> libv: :)
<mnemoc> libv: but the current head of sunxi-3.0 works well for you?
<libv> it did, at least yesterday, and the clocking fix is untested, but i am not worried about it, i am reasonably sure it was the psu now
<mnemoc> :)
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<stefanro1> mnemoc: good news, i have ethernet (wemac) working on my cubieboard in u-boot :)
<stefanro1> mnemoc: still needs heavy cleanup though before ready for submission to the list
<stefanro1> mnemoc: will hit the list probably on Monday or Tuesday
<mnemoc> \o/
<stefanro1> mnemoc: then there is no need to swap MMC's for new kernels etc
<mnemoc> I normally do it keeping two uImage files, with the testing booting by default. but tftp is obviusly simpler
<mnemoc> and it's nicer to the poor card
<stefanro1> yep
<mnemoc> btw, do you reproduce the halt on reboot problem?
<mnemoc> weirdly I noticed yesterday that if I boot from nand's u-boot, plug the card, and `reset`. it halts too
<stefanro1> not from within u-boot - "reset" from u-boot reliably reboots the board
<stefanro1> does the reboot problem only happen when rebooting from Linux?
<mnemoc> that was my thought until I started playing with hno's fixed lichee-dev uboot
<stefanro1> lichee-dev ???
<stefanro1> i'm currently using "sunxi-current"
<mnemoc> a drop-in replacement to the u-boot.bin in stock tabs
<mnemoc> but the reboot problem is not there
<mnemoc> I mean
<mnemoc> mmc-spl halts after `reset` on lichee-dev's u-boot.bin too
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<mnemoc> mmc-spl from sunxi and sunxi-current
<mnemoc> lichee-dev work is only to have a quick solution to let people booting from nand use our kernel without allwinner boot hacks
<stefanro1> i see - perhaps i can find some time to investigate here next week
<mnemoc> :)
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<mnemoc> anyone around running a customer kernel from nand on A10/A13?
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<Turl> mnemoc: customer? you mean custom?
<Turl> I am
<mnemoc> yes
<mnemoc> neat :)
<mnemoc> Turl: running 3.0 with ignore atag mem stuff... right?
<Turl> yep mnemoc
<mnemoc> Turl: can you test if replacing linux/u-boot.bin with http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/amery/testing-3.4/u-boot.bin lets you run both, your current kernel and a variant with ignore atam mem disabled?
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<Turl> mnemoc: I'm running 3.0, shouldn't matter right?
<mnemoc> right, should be fine
<Turl> mnemoc: is it functionally equivalent to the stock uboot?
<Turl> (eg, can it boot boot.imgs?)
<mnemoc> yes
<mnemoc> it only behaves better letting us drop allwinner boot hacks
<mnemoc> so you shouldn't notice any difference
<Turl> handles axp for battery stuff too right, or was that on boot0/1?
<Turl> well, it seems to boot my 'hack'ful kernel
<mnemoc> boot0/boot1
<mnemoc> after you confirm it works well, can you try with a kernel with allwinner boot hacks disabled?
<Turl> -CONFIG_SUNXI_IGNORE_ATAG_MEM=y
<Turl> +# CONFIG_SUNXI_IGNORE_ATAG_MEM is not set
<Turl> mnemoc: ^ anything else?
<mnemoc> just that
<Turl> mnemoc: doesn't seem to wanna boot
<mnemoc> :(
<Turl> can't debug any further as I don't have serial on it
<Turl> but it's stuck on the bootloader logo
<mnemoc> and not adb yet, right?
<Turl> no adb indeed
<Turl> no 'screen weirdness' due to the higher clock on PLL6 either
<mnemoc> and that kernel is a recent sunxi-3.0
<mnemoc> ?
<Turl> yeah, sunxi HEAD+ my stuff on top
<Turl> that is caused by PLL6 @1.2Ghz on linux
<mnemoc> uh
<Turl> it's probably that something on the boot chain earlier set it to 960Mhz
<Turl> and it's just on boot so not a major issue imo
<Turl> maybe libv knows what is it and how to fix it :P
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<Gumboot> What do "Systems on module" plug into?
<mnemoc> dimm slot usually
<Gumboot> DIMM slot in what?
<mnemoc> in a base board with tons of connectors :)
<mnemoc> but there are options, the odroid-x also uses a "system on module", http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php
<mnemoc> basically it's a board without connectors doing all the complex/expensive stuff
<mnemoc> some call them core boards, others cpu boards, others system on module, other daugther boards, ....
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<Gumboot> So there's no fantastically-well-established standard, then?
<mnemoc> Gumboot: that's officially the topic of this channel :p
<Gumboot> Yeah. How's that coming along, anyway?
<mnemoc> only lkcl knows :<
<mnemoc> he is discussing about a 2xpcmcia server standard
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<lkcl> que?
<mnemoc> too late
<mnemoc> he left
<lkcl> ehh no problem.
<lkcl> things are quite advanced - he must be on the arm-netbooks list - i'm puzzled that he's asking "what do SOMs plug in to"
<lkcl> i saw him around quite a while back now
<lkcl> mnemoc: yeah i'm thinking about a xN server standard because the EOMA-68 standard is basically done, first CPU Card out as soon as wits-tech put it together, get revision 0 tested and do revision 1 layout.
<mnemoc> he puzzled me a lot with his question
<mnemoc> too
<lkcl> mnemoc: it's not "only lkcl knows" - i've been posting regularly e.g. http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2012-October/006108.html
<lkcl> i _do_ post status reports!
<mnemoc> :)
<mnemoc> as he is a regular I assumed what has happened after that one
* lkcl is in the middle of AM3892 schematics
<lkcl> mnemoc: yeah that was a "huh" moment for me too
<mnemoc> the question about SoM was .... unexpected
<mnemoc> specially considering he says to have worked for ARM, Broadcom and now for nvidia
<lkcl> i wanted 2x 32-bit DDR3 interfaces but i looked up the power consumption at 1100mhz and it's 1.5 watts (!)
<lkcl> so... can only do 1, and might have to ramp it down in speed a bit (hopefully not as low as 800mhz)
<lkcl> bit of a scarily-spec'd chip, the AM389x/DM816x series. full HD video encode *and* decode in the DM816x, and enough bandwidth to easily handle raw 1080p60 video. just... staggering.
<mnemoc> imx6 didn't work out?
<lkcl> imx6 has a proprietary GPU
<mnemoc> and sitara is TI :p
<lkcl> i picked the AM3892 because we need an FSF-Endorseable option
<mnemoc> what's more scary? :)
<lkcl> ha ha
<lkcl> well, at least TI does FSF-endorseable SoCs that you can buy in 1k volumes
<lkcl> it's there's a GPU-less imx6 i need to hear about it, get that moving as well
<lkcl> christ - so much to fricking do.
<Turl> wasn't amlogic a gpl violator?
<Turl> what did I miss? o.O
<lkcl> Turl: yeah, they are. not "was" - is.
<Turl> why do you think it'll be fsf endorseable then? o.O
<lkcl> made the request, they ignored it.
<lkcl> Turl: which one? which SoC do you believe is being discussed, from which company?
<mnemoc> Turl: htat's a TI sitara, not amlogic
<Turl> lkcl: (13:27:08) lkcl: i picked the AM3892 because we need an FSF-Endorseable option
<lkcl> texas instruments AM3892 is FSF-Endorseable. iMX6 is not
<Turl> ah, so AM3892 is from TI? o.O
<lkcl> Turl: yeah. that's AM3892 http://rhombus-tech.net/ti/am389x/
<mnemoc> they share chip id prefix :|
<lkcl> not AML-8726
* Turl is used to TI's OMAP series only
<Turl> OMAP3XXX/4XXX
<Turl> didn't know they had other series :P
<lkcl> Turl: yehhhh, there's AM, DM and TMS320 as well
<mnemoc> AM's have crappy or no video
<lkcl> the full name of their davinci HD .... ah no they don't! ok, yes, the AM you're right
<Turl> AM3892 (1.2ghz ARM Cortex A8) 1k pricing: $32.
<mnemoc> TI's catalog is ... confusing
<lkcl> but there's a pin-compatible one called the DM816x series (8165, 8167) which is an absolute raging monster. power consumption with all the bells, whistles and knobs on is 3.5 watts!!
<mnemoc> lkcl: not interested in trying indiegogo.com yet? :<
<mnemoc> tom made $50k in 10 days
<mnemoc> enough to fund design, prototyping and a bunch of cards and eng boards
<mnemoc> via paypal you receive 91% of the contributions immediatelly
<mnemoc> and 5% "refunded" after the goal is reached
<mnemoc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwZEyN1K9s4 at 17:00 he makes an eoma related comment about upgrading his car
* mnemoc wants 19" all-in-one eoma68 computers for schools, POSs, guest's computer... :|
<techn> mnemoc: btw. why we dont use jenkins as build interface? :)
<mnemoc> i don't think we have a pace that justifies CI
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<techn> yep.. but I was thinking to have version/change history per build
<techn> and those things come automaticly via ci.. no need to reinvent wheel
<techn> but that's just HiFi stuff
<Turl> mnemoc: what minute? :P
<lkcl> mnemoc: the difference is that tom has a board.
<lkcl> working, tested, proven board.
<lkcl> mnemoc: we're still waiting for wits-tech to put the components on, test that, then do a re-lay-out, then test that.
<lkcl> mnemoc: yeah me too!
<lkcl> simultaneously i'm talking to the kde plasma team, they want a tablet, and they have a hell of a lot of preorders
<lkcl> and also to the FSF.
<lkcl> and more.
<lkcl> all these projects need to be made *absolutely* clear, exactly what hardware is in them
<lkcl> what the cost of *all* components are
<lkcl> what the casework will cost.
<lkcl> until all of that information is available, i am *not* going to go onto any of these sites and say "um, we need maybe this much, but we're not sure yet"
<lkcl> and i'm definitely not going to lie!
<lkcl> or guess
<lkcl> so, yeah. hell of a lot to do. there's about *seven* EOMA-68 projects i'm keeping an eye on. there should actually be about... 20 (cards and products)
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<xxiao> 20 EOMA? impressive...
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<lkcl> xxiao: it's what i'm aiming for.
<lkcl> xxiao: think about it - this is the *entire* mass-volume appliances sector we're talking. laptops, tablets, nettops, netbooks, desktop pcs, media centres, PMPs, all-in-one PCs, keyboard computers, games consoles
<lkcl> NAS boxes
<lkcl> the works
<xxiao> haven't checked eoma closely, what about heat issues?
<lkcl> then there's CPU Cards, which will, once things are up and running, be at least 25% of the offerings of *every* SoC company combined, and that includes intel's new 22nm ValleyVille
<lkcl> xxiao: the 3.5 watts limit has always been there.
<lkcl> for slightly above that, you fill the case with thermal gel.
<lkcl> messy but it works, and it's low-cost.
<xxiao> recall qseven now
<lkcl> xxiao: q-seven is great for the digital signage industry
<lkcl> and for things like tiny desktop PCs
<lkcl> and industrial computer uses.
<lkcl> there's actually 3 separate competing MXM-based standards!
<lkcl> ULP-COM, EDM and Q7
<lkcl> !
<lkcl> ok, 3 that i've been able to find
<xxiao> i actually think the stamp cpu module are very interesting
xenoxaos is now known as sadtowne
sadtowne is now known as SADTOWNE
<xxiao> cpu+ddr+nand with stamp dots around the littlt module, make it a cheap SIP (system in package) then solder it with various boards
<xxiao> i was told the issue is that it's a little hard to unsolder for repair, as the hot air will also impact all chips on that little module along with its dots at the edge
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SADTOWNE is now known as xenoxaos
<xxiao> so you need a special tool for that
<lkcl> oh do you mean package-on-package?
<lkcl> or is this something different?
<lkcl> xxiao: if PoP is anything to go by, then yes it's slightly fraught. although much much simpler to design (you don't need to do DDR layout or NAND layout) you *have* to watch out for supply of the DDR ICs, secure them *before* beginning the design
<lkcl> and although prices are coming down and density is going up, they're a single chip RAM so they are *always* going to be more expensive than say 2 or 4 lower-density RAM ICs.
<lkcl> ta
<lkcl> ohh, ok - neat.
<lkcl> thanks
<lkcl> _another_ one :
<lkcl> :)
<lkcl> right. yeah. ok. yes, soldered directly onto another PCB. yeah, i can see how that would work, it's the same for e.g. what's it.... Telit and Motorola's 3G and GSM modules, you can get them in "solderable board" form
<lkcl> yes. repair would be a bugger :)
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<xxiao> the key is to get high-speed bus contained there
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<jelly-home> thanks to whoever set up the gmane archive for arm-netbook... mailman/pipermail is a bit unfriendly
<mnemoc> gmane is awesome
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<xxiao> for mailing list archive or irc channel log?
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<mnemoc> mailing list archive with posting capabilities
<mnemoc> ideal when you want to reply and don't have the parent in your mailbox
<mnemoc> like when using a digest or when the mail was posted before you subscribed
<xxiao> cool
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<jelly-home> also, nice ui for casual reading without subscribing http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.netbook.arm
<mnemoc> sure
<xxiao> lkcl: saw your post on am389x dm816x, i used them at job for 2 years, they're pretty hot
<mnemoc> hot as emited heat or hot as sexy?
<xxiao> heat
<xxiao> eoma will be a cooking pad with it inside
<mnemoc> not nice
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<penguin42> cubieboard seems to have met it's indiegogo funding
<mnemoc> yes, yesterday. but they are all CC donations, so can't be withdraw until the end of the campaign in mid dec.
<penguin42> mnemoc: Oh that's a bit weird, I'd assumed that once it hit the target they could start
<mnemoc> they have two methods to collect money, paypal. transfering the funds immediatelly to get paypal account of the campaign owner, and CC... making a wire transfer ~5d after the end of the campaign
<mnemoc> but paypal blocked his account for review short after the campaign began
<mnemoc> so all this money was collected via CC
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<mnemoc> will call on monday to ask indiegogo about the options
<penguin42> mnemoc: Ah annoying, it would seem sensible to let a campaign terminate early if they hit the money
<mnemoc> yes, if they don't accept to do a pre-payment of the 50k, truncating the campaign will be the next thing to try
<mnemoc> f* paypal
<RaYmAn> I wonder what the paypal issue means for those people (like me) who did manage to buy using paypal
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<mnemoc> me too
<mnemoc> it was $514 when it froze. but now it's already 50k+ over those 500 and all possible fees
<mnemoc> i really hope they accept to wire them
<mnemoc> to let them buy the components and start the manufacturing
<RaYmAn> yeah
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<discopig> crazy
<discopig> the reached the goal so fast
<discopig> they
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<techn> mnemoc: did he send mail for "notify me" ppl?
<RaYmAn> he did
<techn> ok
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<shivansps> man it has to be a no feedback user the one to show up with the A10 13.3 notebook? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Android-laptop-13-3-inch-notebook/672466819.html no way i gona buy from that guy :P
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<mnemoc> aliexpress doesn't pay the sellers until you are happy
<shivansps> mmm
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<lkcl> xxiao: yeah i ran the spreadsheet from TI, i'm going to only use one 32-bit DDR3 RAM interface, and not push things.
<lkcl> we'll have to fill the PCMCIA case with thermal gel
<mnemoc> ouch
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<specing> "Multi core: ARM Codex A8" LOL
<specing> Guess the 1.5GHz thing wasn't enaugh
<lkcl> specing: ehh, i did say it's a monster. 1.2 watts *each* to drive the two 1600mhz DDR3 RAM interfaces at top whack.
<lkcl> irony is the ARM Cortex A8 core itself only uses 350mW!
<specing> Not sure what the point for running the RAM at 1600 MHz is...
<specing> 0.5W more just to get 5 cycles less latency on cache miss
<lkcl> specing: the AM389x/DM816x design is capable of retrieving/capturing 1080p60 *raw* video data
<lkcl> and the DM816x can do simultaneous *multiple* 1080p60 encode *and* decode (up to 3 channels)
<lkcl> the bandwidth requirements for that kind of work is just phenomenal
<lkcl> but yeah, i've set a limit of 1066mhz, see how people react: if it's still too much power i'll bring it down to 800mhz. reluctantly.
<specing> Heh
<specing> So you are looking at the AM*** already?
<lkcl> 800mhz would bring it to sane levels.
<lkcl> specing: i've got the bloody schematics 98% done already!! http://hands.com/~lkcl/eoma/ti/am3892/
<lkcl> i just took the EVM ones and the A10 EOMA68 ones and blotch, blotch combined the two :)
<Gumboot> Five cycles seems like an enormous win.
<Gumboot> How many are there in total?
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<specing> 1 000 000 000 if it is doing one cycle per clock cycle